Talk:Yale School of the Environment

Some notes on notable grads:

There are two semi-notables who arguably could be removed: Brett, whose fame and impact seem to be rather local, and Hosmer, whose claim to fame seems to be introducing alien tree species to Hawaii.

The repute of a third, Record, is in wood anatomy circles, but he is well-known and well-regarded there. Also, he was dean of the School.

Thoughts? Additions?

Goldfish-silverfish (talk) 14:38, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Disputed claim

Three schools are said to be the "oldest school of forestry in the United States": Biltmore Forest School, founded in 1898; the New York State College of Forestry, also founded in 1898; and the Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies, founded in 1900. Although there are nuances -- Yale would seem to be the first post-graduate school of forestry -- only one can claim the original mantle.DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 11:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

As the "History" section of the article acknowledges, both Biltmore and the New York State college were training students when Yale came into being. However, when the Yale School describes itself as "oldest," I think it means the oldest existing school, as both Biltmore and New York closed early in the 20th century. Of course, NY was reborn at Syracuse, so I can certainly understand why it might still stake a claim to being oldest. Where does that leave us? "Oldest" is ambiguous and disputed. "Oldest postgraduate" is clearly an accurate description of Yale, but perhaps not complete. Would it be fair to add "and oldest continuously operating"? Goldfish-silverfish (talk) 23:26, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, from what I understand, both "oldest postgraduate..." and "oldest continuously operating" are correct. Rather a mouthful, but more accurate than simply "oldest". What's best? DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 00:42, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I think we make the change and let the poets among the Wikipedia community refine the wording. I'll volunteer to make the initial change. Goldfish-silverfish (talk) 20:20, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Edit of 17 April 2010

I am as fond of the school as anyone, but the edit of the opening paragraph changing "trains students" to "trains leaders" etc. is a step away from objectivity towards boosterism. It would be better to convey the school's contributions to society through objective statements of fact rather than through subjective pats on the back. If the school is great, add information that shows it -- more detail on the school's research, teaching, and graduates, for example.

I would undo the edit. However, I wrote the previous version of the opening paragraph, so I am hardly neutral here. I will leave the edited paragraph for others to think about and, I hope, revise. Goldfish-silverfish (talk) 15:53, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, not just boosterim but totally vague. "Leaders" in what? What happens if graduates don't go on 'lead' in their particular field or organization? Sentence should definitely be changed to 1) be less homerish, and 2) provide actual information Lmeister (talk) 21:15, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 2 July 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 20:11, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

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Yale School of Forestry & Environmental Studies → Yale School of the Environment – As of July 1, 2020, the name of the school has been changed. See environment.yale.edu YaleEnvironment (talk) 19:44, 2 July 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ _Talk 21:14, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

• Note from relister: I relisted this as the user may have a possible COI with subject, so I wanted to promote discussion about this move. Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ _Talk 21:14, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support There is still a fair amount of news coverage using the older name, but it seems safe to move to the newer name which already is getting more use.--Yaksar (let's chat) 19:42, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.