Talk:Yana Santos

Name change

@Cassiopeia, @Sdpdude9, @Gsfelipe94, @KyleBYerrick, @Rcpilot9, @Ikamborden Can we get ahead of her name change to Santos, and maybe come to some kind of consensus about name changes so we dont have anymore of these Joanne Wood/Nina Nunes situations, especially where its obvious the person is going to go by their married names? I get what the current rules are and why they are the way they are, its just such a waste of energy spending the next 10 days reverting name change edits, just to eventually end up changing her name. Nswix (talk) 19:09, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

As a strong supporter of both those changes you mentioned, I believe the same thing should be done here. If a fighter changes their name/last name and it's already used by the promotion and main sources, the page should be renamed. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 23:39, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

OPPOSE: Wikipedia guidelines triumph all in regardless of how we like to do certain things which we deem easy or make sense. I have reverted thousands (literally) of the fight methods or unsouced content as we NEED to adhere to the Wikipedia guidelines. After all this is Wikipedia and not only for MMA articles or MMA editors only and we CAN NOT change the Wikipedia guidelines without consensus approval or other editors in the Wikipedia policy change. Cassiopeia talk 00:22, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Just like you did in the Wood/Nunes situations. Actually another one with Veronica Hardy. I honestly don't know what's the problem with you being so stubborn every time. Obviously it will end up the same way despite your obstacles. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 02:36, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@Nswix That being said, I suggest you just create an official request in order to start the inevitable name change. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 02:37, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Pls understand I all for it if the subject meet the Wikipedia guidelines but until then we can just do want we want. We are experienced Wikipedians and should abide by the Wikipedia guidelines until the guidelines say otherwise. The new sportperson notability guidelines have changed some months ago and as the trainer of the new page patrol school, it pained me to reject some sport persons who does not meet WP:N guidelines especially for the Olympians and those in group sport such as volleyball, basketball, professional sportspersons in any leagues etc and also 3 fights in top tier for MMA fighters to meet Sport specific guidelines also no longer valid, yet we will accept a street cat that go to certain shop daily and enough independent, reliable sources cover the cat (in New Zealand) and make it to the main space article in Wikipedia - the notability guidelines is not based on merit of an athlete and schoolers', achievements but by "worthy of notice" where the subject has significant coverage by reliable, independent sources where by the sources talk about the subject in length and in dept. I dont agree with the notability guidelines with the guidelines changed, but it did and I adhered to it. I am not against any MMA editors here, but always seek cooperation, give support and provide assistance but I at times I am the messenger to provide the guidelines of Wikipedia and encourage every editor to adhere to it. Stay safe everyone and best. Cassiopeia talk 09:18, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 16 March 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 15:00, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

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Yana Kunitskaya → Yana Santos – Already using her married name professionally in her upcoming bout, as well as personally (on social media). Nswix (talk) 14:49, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:27, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• OPPOSE - Pls show significant sources that subject has be cited of the new name for at current request didnt provide info to meet guidelines. It is disappoint that Nswix after reading all the info and still do not comply to the guidlines and raise this move request - pls be understand the guidelines and do the right thing. Cassiopeia talk 21:59, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

It actually does. Per WP:NAMECHANGES, the relevant policy for a name change NOT WP:COMMONNAME, "If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match." ESPN and UFC use her married name. Additionally, this MMA Junkie article and this San Antonio Current article use her married name. Finally, she uses her married name on her Instagram which per WP:SELFSOURCE qualifies as a reliable source since it's a "Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about (herself)". Please make sure you are utilizing the relevant policies for move discussions.--Rockchalk717 02:51, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support - Just like it happened with Nina Nunes and Joanne Wood. It's odd that Cassiopeia claims understanding of guidelines and disappointment with an user's rightful request when the situation already has clear precedents and she was the user that denied everything back then. I'll just paste something from the past: this editor argues that the move should not be made per WP:COMMONNAME on the basis that the subject's name has changed recently and the current name remains more common considered over the course of the subject's career. This is a misunderstanding of the policy, per WP:NAMECHANGES as has been discussed. I'll also repost the same text used by User:Rockchalk717: WP:COMMONNAME states “(Wikipedia) generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources).” So her Instagram, her UFC.com profile, not mention several other websites use her last name as Santos. You can find that just doing a simple search on Google. That meets the requirements in COMMONNAME as that is the definition of “significant majority of independent reliable sources”. It is frustrating to argue the same thing every single time with the exact same user. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 23:34, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

We also have the same situation with Veronica Macedo, whom's going by Hardy after marrying former UFC fighter Dan Hardy. I moved the page, but obviously Cassiopeia reverted it. It will end up the same way as all of these cases, but it's tiring to do it all over again. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 23:36, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Only responding because I got a notification. Cassiopeia is a fantastic editor, however Cassiopeia seems to not know when to use what policy. The relevant policy for a name change is WP:NAMECHANGES not WP:COMMONAME. It's clear as day in the policies. These moves should still be discussed but we need to make sure we are using the appropriate Wikipedia policy. An good example of when to use COMMONNAME is the article Patrick Mahomes, there's a small amount of sources that call him by his legal name Patrick Mahomes II, however, because his name is more commonly used without the suffix, we use that. A marriage or legal name change (like when Chad Johnson briefly changed his name to Chad Ochocinco or if someone comes out as transgender like Caitlyn Jenner) should use NAMECHANGES.--Rockchalk717 00:03, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support Cassiopeia is 100% incorrect. The move should be done per WP:NAMECHANGES and the sources verifying this in my comment and her Instagram which falls under WP:SELFSOURCE.

• Support per nomination.Diana056 (talk) 22:42, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support To add on to the sources listing her name as Yana Santos, even reputable MMA sources such as MMAJunkie, MMAFighting, and Sherdog list her name as "Yana Santos". Hence it seems as a given that her name should be changed, and that Cassiopeia as other commenters mentioned clearly throws around guidelines without proper reasoning, and handles edit discussions with unnecessary emotional responses and stubbornness with all due respect. SpyroeBM (talk) 02:02, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

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