Talk:Zina Young Card

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: An interesting, well-written article..

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:20, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 18:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that Zina P. Young Card was both a plural wife and advocate of women's rights?

• ALT0a: ... that Zina P. Young Card fought on a national level for both women's suffrage and the right to practice plural marriage? Source: "Later, Taylor called Zina to accompany Emmeline B. Wells to attend the 1879 National Women's Suffrage meetings in Washington, D.C. Zina and Emmeline were not universally welcomed at the suffrage, due to their strong support for plural marriage" (https://www.jstor.org/stable/23287489)

• • ALT1:... that Zina P. Young Card was the first Dean of Women of Brigham Young Academy (now Brigham Young University)? Source: "She attended Brigham Young Academy...upon graduating in 1881, Zina became part of the faculty there as the first 'Ladies' Matron' or 'Dean of Women' in 1879." (https://educationinzion.byu.edu/2010/10/25/zina-young-williams-card/)
  • ALT2:... that Zina P. Young Card spoke to the U.S. Senate and House Judiciary Committee in favor of polygamist rights in 1879?Source: "Later, Taylor called Zina to accompany Emmeline B. Wells to attend the 1879 National Women's Suffrage meetings in Washington, D.C. ... Cannon helped arrange for Zina and Emmeline, as representatives from Utah, to address the U.S. Senate and House Judiciary Committee ... 'Zina stressed her belief in the sacred principle under which she had been born and married.'" (https://www.jstor.org/stable/23287489)
  • ALT3:... that Zina P. Young Card was a civic and religious leader of Cardston, Alberta, Canada in the late 19th century? Source: "Zina ... played a significant role as the new settlement's first lady ... Zina was also a spiritual leader." (https://www.jstor.org/stable/23287489)

Created by Cstickel(byu) (talk). Self-nominated at 19:38, 11 February 2020 (UTC).

• ALT4: ... that Zina P. Young Card made her own flannel to wallpaper the cabin she lived in while settling Cardston, Alberta, Canada, prompting locals to call it the "Flannel Palace"? Source: "This cabin, now a museum, still stands on Cardston’s Main Street. Zina made heroic efforts in creating a genteel home in such rough conditions. Her daughter, Zina Card Brown, describes her achievement as the interior appeared during the late 1880s. "[...] She had all the walls and ceilings covered with unbleached muslin. This she in turn covered with colored Canton flannel. She sewed the canton flannel herself with the soft silky nap running down. It was kept looking like satin with frequent stroking with a new broom which was kept for this purpose. The hundreds of yards of “Canton” were all stitched on the old treadle sewing machine." Local residents called the cabin “Aunt Zina’s Canton Flannel Palace.” " Four Zinas, Chapter 10 Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 23:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

• This article is new enough and long enough. I like the original hook, ALT2 and ALT4, the other two hooks are less interesting. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. No QPQ is needed here for this new contributor. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:25, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but am having trouble identifying a good hook. ALTs 0 and 2 make her sound like any woman with a political agenda. ALT0 does not have an inline cite, and footnote 2, which uses the term "women's rights", seems to be referring back to the term "women's suffrage" in its previous sentence. ALT4 might be better if the article said more from the source about the "rough" locale the home was located in. Yoninah (talk) 16:00, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
• Hi, I edited ALT0 and added an inline citation in the article pertaining to it. I'll look for more sources for ALT4 and the article. Cstickel(byu) (talk) 21:26, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you, your alt looks better. Please note that I restored the thread and struck the hook that was replaced, so reviewers and prep builders will be able to follow the discussion. We need a review for ALT0a. Pinging original reviewer Cwmhiraeth. Yoninah (talk) 21:36, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• Approving ALT0a. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:05, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Related to Orson Card?

Would you know if Orson Card is a descendant of Zina? Both have similar physical resemblances, same surname, and are both Mormon. 204.186.241.170 (talk) 20:35, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, she is his great-grandmother! Her son Orson Rega Card (who he was named after) was his grandfather. I'll find a good source and put it on her page, and I already linked to her on his. Thank you! Cstickel(byu) (talk) 17:27, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Merge from Zina Young Card Brown

Cstickel(byu) (talk) 20:18, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Zina P. Young Card/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Aussie Article Writer (talk · contribs) 00:12, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Excellent prose, spelling and grammar are correct, no words to watch.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	The lead section is excellent, as is the article structure. However, it would be best to incorporate the references in the lead into the body of the article. See WP:CITELEAD. The suggested changes to the lead have been done, I shifted the opinion of Maureen Ursenbach Beecher to the legacy section. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 20:01, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Please note that I assume that sources I can't access are correct, however I feel it only fair that I note that I haven't been able to verify them. Lead: the sources I can read checkout, can't read the JSTOR hosted article. Could I ask what historian was being referenced in "the unquestionable female leader of the Alberta colonies"? Early life: the sources I can read definitely checkout, I added the page number for the source that shows she acted at the Salt Lake Theatre. Plural marriage: all sources I can read check out Career and activism: Could you give me the reference for: "She was among the first Utah women to advocate for women's suffrage. She and Emmeline B. Wells traveled to Washington, D.C. and around the eastern United States, speaking of and advocating for women's suffrage and their own religious beliefs, especially polygamy." this has been corrected by the nom. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 20:03, 23 July 2021 (UTC) I have verified all other sources I can read, and also switched one source to use archive.org which has the full work available online LDS Church service: verified all sources I can read Personal life: I hate to be a stick-in-the-mud, but could you clarify what parts of the source support "Through her writing it is apparent that she felt plural marriage a respectable and divinely-inspired institution, and she saw defending it as the duty of women"? It's a huge source and it would be nice to know what parts you are referring to. (this is not a criticism, I just want to verify the statement - which I'm sure is correct!) Fixed by nom. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 20:06, 23 July 2021 (UTC) All the other references I can read check out Zina Young Card Brown: Can you provide a refernence for "but fled England at the onset of World War II"? Fixed by nom. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 20:08, 23 July 2021 (UTC) Other than the above, all references check out. I chased down the pages and added them to the references in this section. Legacy: "Alberta's population of Latter-day Saint settlers reached 10,000 in 1911" - this references the Dictionary of Canadian biography, but which entry? Fixed by nom. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 20:10, 23 July 2021 (UTC) Other than the above, all references check out.
	2c. it contains no original research.	I was concerned initially about the sentence "Throughout her life, Card was an academic, political, and spiritual leader", but actually it is then fully supported by the subsequent material in the paragraph. So, I can see no original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	I am not a subject matter expert, but it does seem to cover Card's life fairly extensively. However: in the article it says that Card was a dean of two schools, but I see only mention of one. Am I missing something in the article? fixed by nom. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 20:13, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	File:Zina Young Card.jpg - PD image File:BYU faculty 1884.jpg - PD image File:Domestic science dept.jpg - PD image File:BYU Board of trustees.jpg - PD image File:C.O. Card House.jpg - PD image File:3 Zinas.jpg - PD image File:Zina P. Young Card Grave.jpg - CC image
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	File:Zina Young Card.jpg - high quality image of the article's subject File:BYU faculty 1884.jpg - show faculty of BYU, with subject in photo File:Domestic science dept.jpg - shows class in the Domestic Science unit, with subject in the photo File:BYU Board of trustees.jpg - shows Board of Trustees, with subject in photo File:C.O. Card House.jpg - shows log cabin of the Card family File:3 Zinas.jpg - subject of article as a young girl File:Zina P. Young Card Grave.jpg - grave of the article's subject
	7. Overall assessment.

Discussion

• I’m working from home today (lockdown). This one might take me longer than normal. I’m enjoying reading it though. So far, great job! - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 01:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • And I just noticed SarahSV edited this one. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 01:15, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
• Progress update: I've gotten through most of the references - some great and detailed research obviously went into this article! I am taking a break and will continue when I'm back from it. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 06:45, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
• Cstickel(byu) as I've said a few times now, a great article. Could you address the (few) issues I have highlighted? - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 08:00, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

• @Aussie Article Writer: Thank you! I've gone through your review and addressed your concerns:

1b.I took the inline citations out of the lead. (All of that information is cited in the article.) But I left in the source for the direct quote, and found the name of the historian who called her "the unquestionable female leader of the Alberta colonies" (and wikilinked to her).

2b.I added the references you requested (for "Career and activism," "Personal life," and "Legacy") and corrected the prose in some areas.

3a.I think my sentence about her being dean of two colleges was referring to her being dean of two schools within Brigham Young Academy, but I couldn't find a source about that, so I changed that prose.

Let me know what else needs to be done, and thank you so much for your review and work on the article! Cstickel(byu) (talk) 14:39, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

I moved one sentence from the lead to the legacy section, otherwise well done on a fine article. All issues have been corrected, this passes GA! - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 20:14, 23 July 2021 (UTC)