- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:31, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
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that Filibus, a 1915 adventure film about a sky pirate (pictured), is one of only two surviving films from its studio?Source: Cineteca di Bologna 1997- ALT1:... that Filibus (pictured), a fictional sky pirate, has been called one of the first lesbian characters in cinema? Source: Dortmond Cologne International Women's Film Festival 2013, Yugoslav Film Archive 2016
- Reviewed: Edward William Purvis
Created by Lemuellio (talk). Self-nominated at 14:36, 23 November 2016 (UTC).
Pulled from Preps, reopened, discussed at WT:DYK. At least one more film has been rediscovered since that 1997 source. Fram (talk) 12:13, 5 December 2016 (UTC)- [Comment:] When it comes to ALT1, the first source states that the character is "probably one of the first lesbian characters in the history of film." This isn't very strong, and I'd argue not an "expert opinion". I'm not able to read the second source, and can't say much about it. Another possible Alt hook may be "Pedro Nava praised the title character of 1915 film Filibus for her genderfluidity and mystic aspects," though I have difficulty translating this source as well. A request for input has been put at the LGBT WikiProject, so I hope to see more input soon. However, a non-LGBT-related DYK is probably still possible, like "The 1915 film character Filibus was likely inspired by Fantômas, but she also strongly resembles Arsène Lupin." Both of these are just rough ideas, though. ~Mable (chat) 11:05, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
- (ALT2): ... that the 1915 film character Filibus was likely inspired by Fantômas, but she also strongly resembles Arsène Lupin?
- I have added Maplestrip's suggestion as ALT2. In a discussion at WT:DYK#Pulled from Prep 1: Filibus, EEng has proposed another alternative hook, which I am labelling ALT1a as it is really a variant on that proposal:
- (ALT1a): ... that Filibus (1915) was "probably one of the first lesbian characters in the history of film"?
- I request for input from the LGBT WikiProject with concerns that DYK not mis-handle issues of genderfluidity, but EEng's suggestion is the only one that has emerged and no concerns have been raised. I have edited the Filibus article adding referencing and support so cannot give a tick, thus I call for a new reviewer, but can offer other potential hooks:
- (ALT3): ... that the 1915 film Filibus has been praised for having as a protagonist a "bad girl" lesbian who was an "elegant and elusive woman pirate" and a "champion" of transgenderism?
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that the 1915 film Filibus was "especially interesting" as it featured a high-society woman as the heroine who has a "Dr Hyde" (sic) side terrorising Sicily while disguised as a man?
New reviewer needed following evidence from Fram that the previously promoted ALT0 is inaccurate (and I have struck it). ALTs 1, 1a, 2, 3, and 4 need consideration for sourcing and main page suitability. Pinging Lemuellio (the article creator and Maplestrip as a commenter on this nomination, as well as Fram, who found the original problem. EdChem (talk) 01:30, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
- Why the (sic) in ALT4? EEng 01:33, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
- (ALT4a): ... that the 1915 film Filibus was "especially interesting" for its high-society female heroine with a Hyde-side which terrorises Sicily in male disguise?
- Well, I wasn't objecting, just embarrassed at my own denseness. I had an idea along the lines of 4a, but was too lazy to mention it. I've made
a small changesome changes which I hope you'll like. EEng 04:40, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Long enough (~9.1k elig. chars.); barely within time frame; sourced; Earwig finds no copyvio; cursory but technically thorough QPQ done. Image out of copyright but currently unused by the article. ALT1 better than anything that's come since and Mable's objections seems ill-taken: Media Portrayal of Lesbianism seems to make clear that a silent film would have been among the first and there's no claim being made that it was the first; "has been called" is sourced and means we don't have to worry about viewers who say it didn't spell everything out on screen. I'll leave a note for the nominator and EdChem, who's apparently stewarding the nomination, to see if they'd like to remove the extraneous links from the hook. They're only going to siphon off your views... — LlywelynII 16:01, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
- LlywelynII, the image in this nomination is a crop of the image in the article's infobox; cropped versions of images in articles satisfy the DYK requirement that the nominated image be in the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:06, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
- My preference is ALT4a, but it is ultimately up to the reviewer. I don't see which links should be removed in the proposals, nor am I sure what else is needed for this nomination to proceed. EdChem (talk) 00:43, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
With respect, ALT4a is currently a trainwreck. Inter alia, it's about the opinion of a single reviewer from some time in the film's century-long lifespan, which fails the hook requirements w/r/t bias and being even moderately interesting. It could be reworked into something that would still be less interesting than WWI sky-pirate lesbians. If the image is fine and the shepherd and writer don't want to remove the extra links from the hook, then this is G2G with ALT1. — LlywelynII 04:23, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
- Well, I wasn't objecting, just embarrassed at my own denseness. I had an idea along the lines of 4a, but was too lazy to mention it. I've made
