Template:Did you know nominations/LiSA (Japanese musician, born 1987)

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The result was: promoted by PumpkinSky talk 22:16, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

LiSA

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... that LiSA was one of two vocalists for a fictional band?

ALT 1: ... that LiSA was one of two vocalists for a fictional band in an anime?
Reviewed: Dude Harlino

Created/expanded by Juhachi (talk). Self nom at 21:24, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Hook review
Format	Citation	Neutrality	Interest
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Article review
Length	Newness	Adequate citations	Formatted citations	Reliable sources	Neutrality	Plagiarism
Lionratz (talk)	Lionratz (talk)	十八	Lionratz (talk)	Lionratz (talk)

Problems with hook: what is a "major singing debut"? A album release/ her first band experience (although since I know Japanese stuff, it is clear to me. But it will not be so for most of the casual first-time readers of this hook). Also "major" is subjective. Can you substitute it to make the hook sound neutral?

Problems with article: Firstly, many sentences of the "Career" section is not cited (eg:LiSA began her singing career in 2005 while still in high school when she formed the indie rock band Chucky.). Ref 1 and 3 are primary sources (see WP:PRIMARY). And from a random check, Ref 4 does not support the statement that "LiSA made her first appearance at the 2010 Animelo Summer Live on August 28.". It only shows that she appeared at this festival, but does not say that it is her "first appearance". Pending other checks until above problems are solved.--Lionratz (talk) 04:22, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

The reviewing guide says "The article in general should use inline cited sources. A rule of thumb for DYK is a minimum of one citation per paragraph, possibly excluding the introduction, plot summaries, and paragraphs which summarize information that's cited elsewhere." The fact that some sentences don't have citations yet is not strange, as the article was just created. The article has multiple citations in the career section, certainly meeting the "one citation per paragraph" criteria. Plus, primary sources are allowed on Wikipedia as long as articles aren't based entirely on them, which this article is not. So I do not believe these issues should be taken into account when reviewing the DYK.

As for the hook itself, I can fix that by taking out the "major debut" part. Just to be clear, the cite [1] is used to verify the hook's authenticity.--十八 05:01, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying the above problems. However, after removal of the "major debut", the hook does not seem very interesting anymore. Do you think so? Other than that, this articles meets other requirements.--Lionratz (talk) 12:48, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

I doubt there are very many people who have sung for fictional bands, so I think it's interesting and unexpected. If I didn't, I wouldn't have bothered with the DYK, even if the major debut part was taken out.--十八 20:11, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

What about "... that LiSA was one of the two vocalists for a fictional band in an anime?" Anyways, I do not oppose the hook, just that it might not get very high viewership.--Lionratz (talk) 07:20, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'll add it as an alternative.--十八 08:09, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay, good job.--Lionratz (talk) 09:32, 5 November 2011 (UTC)