Template talk:Born and died list

Additional use cases

We have a few other cases that need to be supported here. One is people who died on their birthday (there are a handful of them), and second is for people buried on a certain day, as we already have one instance of that (Hamnet Shakespeare). Thanks. —howcheng {chat} 06:50, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Howcheng, can you show me an example of born and died on same day? --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 01:06, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Argh, I don't know any off the top of my head, but there's a handful. It will be like "Joe Smith (b. 1885, d. 1954)". You'll probably need to switch to named parameters. —howcheng {chat} 06:09, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Howcheng, I figured it out without naming the parameters.

{{Born and died list}} must have three sets. Is that going to be a problem? --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 06:39, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Howcheng Nevermind, I have now accounted for when only 1 or 2 names are listed. I think I am ready for you to implement the sandbox now. Copy Template:Born and died list/sandbox into the main and put full protection on Template:SelAnnivAbbr. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 08:20, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

I set it to template editor access but that may be moot due to cascade protection. —howcheng {chat} 18:04, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Baptism

Can baptisms be included in this template, please? I'm hoping to use this for Beethoven's 250th coming up on December 17th. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 05:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

@PFHLai: It was already in {{SelAnnivAbbr/sandbox}}, so I promoted the changes up. —howcheng {chat} 07:46, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Howcheng. I was reminded here that not everyone likes this idea. I hope I am not causing trouble. --PFHLai (talk) 22:52, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Sets of three

I wonder where the "sets of three" rule comes from. The reason I'm asking is:

• when I view the homepage on the narrow (default) screen setting, most of the time the list will break after the second entry and will be shown with the third item on its own line
• when I view the homepage on the wide screen setting, the set nowhere nears go to the end of the available space

In either of those cases, having a fourth entry would (in the vast majority of case) not change the vertical screen space that the list takes up. Hence I'm left wondering. Ping Dumelow who currently does most of the work at OTD. Schwede66 22:41, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

My recollection is that when the births and deaths line was suggested a few years ago, 3 entries were proposed and it was implicitly agreed. It’s just “always been done that way.” Stephen 00:48, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

The original discussion is here. I couldn't see any specific reason for settling on three biographies and it looks like it originally started with just one entry. There is generally a better crop of possible entries for the biography section than the blurbs (the birth/death date FA/GA query at Wikipedia:Selected_anniversaries#Wikidata_queries is great for finding potential entries) so a move to four wouldn't be problematic from that side. It would help us feature a wider variety of entries from across time periods and regions which would be great. However, at the moment I am just about keeping up with preparing the main blurbs and don't have time to check or rotate the births and deaths as well. If we can find volunteers to prepare the section I have no issue with it being expanded to four entries. Pinging a couple of people for input: Eddie891 did some great work on the births and deaths, but has since moved on to other things (no problem, we all edit where we want). I see Z1720 has been working on the biography section a little recently too - Dumelow (talk) 06:41, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

I like three as a good number: it's enough that we can get a decent spread of people but not too many that it becomes a list of people that people skim over. This is just my own opinion, and not based on research, so if the number changes I won't be bothered. I think I might do some minor OTD work with the biographies but I don't want to become "stuck" in this area as I also want to work on articles that interest me. Z1720 (talk) 15:23, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

I suppose a guideline of 'three or four people (ideally not all births/all deaths)' would make the most sense. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 21:32, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Edit request 1 June 2023

Description of suggested change: Permit a 4th birth/death. You can see it working as intended in this edit I made to the sandbox. See Template talk:Born and died list#Sets_of_three.

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{{hlist|style=margin-top: 0.5em;|{{{1}}} ({{SelAnnivAbbr|{{{2}}}|{{{3}}}}})|{{#if: {{{4|}}}|{{{4}}} ({{SelAnnivAbbr|{{{5}}}|{{{6}}}}})|}}|{{#if: {{{7|}}}|{{{7}}} ({{SelAnnivAbbr|{{{8}}}|{{{9}}}}})}}}}<noinclude>

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{{hlist|style=margin-top: 0.5em;|{{{1}}} ({{SelAnnivAbbr|{{{2}}}|{{{3}}}}})|{{#if: {{{4|}}}|{{{4}}} ({{SelAnnivAbbr|{{{5}}}|{{{6}}}}})|}}|{{#if: {{{7|}}}|{{{7}}} ({{SelAnnivAbbr|{{{8}}}|{{{9}}}}})|}}|{{#if: {{{10|}}}|{{{10}}} ({{SelAnnivAbbr|{{{11}}}|{{{12}}}}})|}}}}<noinclude>

(idk why the noinclude tag in the 'before' thing got mangled by TextDiff. StringDiff also mangles it.) 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 22:07, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:28, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Excellent. Thank you. Schwede66 08:41, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/June 10 was the first set I've updated since this change. I have included four births/deaths in the list for this date and, assuming it runs OK, will look to do so for future days - Dumelow (talk) 09:02, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

We won't need to wait that long - I already put 4 in for tomorrow (Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/June 6) and tuesday (Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/June 7). 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 09:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Working well, at my resolution at least. I've added fourth entries to 8 and 9 June also - Dumelow (talk) 06:32, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

On a phone, the extra item is probably taking up an extra line 90% of the time. No opinion for me otherwise. —Bagumba (talk) 07:12, 14 June 2023 (UTC)