Template talk:Ancient Greek astronomy

Welcome!

Welcome to the template for Ancient Greek astronomy. It is based on the Template for Greek mathematics, with which there is inevitably going to be some similarity since the subject was a mathematical discipline in the ancient world. Feel free to suggest, or implement, improvements. Singinglemon (talk) 02:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Why are some links in the template formatted as bold? When using a template to navigate thru articles, the article's name becomes bold automagically by the MediaWiki software when one is on that article's page. By having links already bolded, it gives the appearance one is viewing the wrong article. If a notation is needed in the template, using italics would be best, and adding a note or key of some sort to explain the designation. — MrDolomite • Talk 16:24, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

The Bold on some of the names is there to highlight the most important people, I copied the way the Greek mathematics template was designed. But you may be right that its a bit confusing, especially since in Greek astronomy there are only a few really famous names. I shall remove the Bold formatting, and see how it looks, it may be better this way. Singinglemon (talk) 18:24, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

That looks good. I wouldn't know an important Greek astronomer from an unimportant one; it's all Greek to me (sorry, bad pun, had to do it :) The WP:GNOME in me checks templates to make sure the correct link is highlighted when navigating to each article. Everyone in the Astronomers section checked out fine, well done. Many times an article will get moved or redirected and while the reader ends up at the correct spot, the link names don't match to the template and thus don't bold as they should. Thanks for all the Greek work, or rather Ευχαριστίες για όλη την ελληνική εργασία. — MrDolomite • Talk 22:06, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Definition of ancient Greece

What is the definition of Ancient Greek being used here? The bulk of the scholars referenced lived several centuries BCE, a few flourished in the Roman era, after 146BCE, and a minute number of listings are from AD dates, including the 1st century Agrippa (astronomer) and the 2nd century Sosigenes the Peripatetic and Claudius Ptolemy - are these last three really Ancient Greeks by most definitions? Iskandar323 (talk) 07:46, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

The period after after 323BCE is more formally known as the Hellenistic period, and thus the template for Ancient Greek mathematics covering both of these periods uses the header "Ancient Greek and Hellenistic mathematics" - perhaps the same should be applied here, as this would cover everything through to 30 BCE, but that's still no solution for the Greco-Roman entries. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:51, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

You're confusing yourself. The Hellenistic period IS part of "Ancient Greece". What normally dated to end in 323 is what is called "Classical Greece". Walrasiad (talk) 10:31, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Classical Greece was from 5th-4th BCE; Classical antiquity is from 800BCE to 500CE. Ancient Greece, as any tertiary source that isn't Wikipedia will tell you, e.g. Britannica, is the period up to and including Classical Greece, ending in 323BCe, from where the Hellenistic period kicks off, characterized by all sorts of things at variance with classical/ancient Greece, including Koine Greek. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:03, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

@Walrasiad: A source for the summary of this revert please, and explanation as to why you think this template should differ from Template:Ancient Greek mathematics, which I simply matched the phrasing with for clarity. Even this is an approximation. Technically it should be Ancient Greek, Hellenistic and Greco-Roman astronomy, since the whole template is really badly overscoped. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:07, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

I have broken it down for you in the talk page of the Ancient Greece article. If you still have trouble reading that article, let me know. I'd be happy to provide any further clarifications there. You are also likelier to get other editors to chime in there. Walrasiad (talk) 11:13, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

PS. RS's are easy to find. e.g. "Ancient Greek Astronomy"., etc. Just a matter of entering the search term in Google. Bunch come right up. Walrasiad (talk) 11:21, 29 May 2023 (UTC)