Template talk:Infobox planet

Standard gravitational parameter

GM is typically known to higher precision than G or M, and is often encountered as such in formulae, so it's useful for more precise calculations. I wanted to add it for Earth, but it seems we need to discuss this. So, how about it? Is it too much detail for Wikipedia? If we don't allow it here, I don't see where else it might have a good place, so this data would be missing from Wikipedia, then. Darsie42 (talk) 12:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that would be too much detail for Wikipedia. GM is a very common parameter and it involves smaller and more intuitive values than either M alone. Elleh3113 (talk) 22:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok, looks like we have a consensus :). OTOH I noticed there are not many values in Standard gravitational parameter. Maybe that's because we don't actually know too many GM values (to a significant precision). Then again we've orbited e.g. 101955 Bennu so we should have a pretty good GM of that and we could add more. I'll request it (possibly after some procrastination ;). Darsie42 (talk) 20:44, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm overwhelmed. Someone else do it, please. Darsie42 (talk) 20:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Should we pick Standard gravitational parameter, GM or µ? Darsie42 (talk) 21:31, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Edit request 30 June 2024

Description of suggested change: Per what I wrote in Template talk:Infobox planet#'Yes' vs. Yes and Template talk:Infobox planet#Mean radius and mean diameter: Make a small change to the example given for the image_scale parameter (its current form has led to an editor taking it literally, requiring a revert); also, add wiki-links for two parameters in the infobox for which a Wikipedia article has recently been created.

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1.25 increases image size by 25%. 'Yes' reduces to 75% ('upright' image proportions)

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1.25 increases image size by 25%. ''Yes'' reduces to 75% (''upright'' image proportions)

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Mean radius {{{mean_radius}}}

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[[Mean radius]] {{{mean_radius}}}

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Mean diameter {{{mean_diameter}}}

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[[Mean diameter]] {{{mean_diameter}}}

Renerpho (talk) 03:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: {{edit template-protected}} is usually not required for edits to the documentation or categories of templates using a documentation subpage. Use the 'edit' link at the top of the green "Template documentation" box to edit the documentation subpage. But a better method would be to use {{para|upright|yes}} which produces |upright=yes, which is unambiguous. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:28, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

I have made the code changes requested. The documentation page change is not possible, because the text in question is in the TemplateData code section, which is not documentation. The TemplateData code section does not, for some reason, accept wikitext, even in the "Description" field. If you want to explain how |image_scale= works, create a section in the actual documentation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Dark mode compatibility

I just noticed that with dark mode enabled, the output generated by temp_name2, min_temp_2, etc. is dark text on a white background. This contrasts with the rest of the template, which correctly shows up as light text on a black background. -- Beland (talk) 08:26, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

I have dropped the CSS that was setting the background color for this table, and letting it inherit the background from the surrounding infobox. If anyone wants to do anything different with color, see mw:Recommendations for night mode compatibility on Wikimedia wikis for how-tos on specifying dark-mode-friendly colors.

I would also note that there is a tentative consensus on Wikipedia:WikiProject Astronomy/Manual of Style#Units to remove US units from planet infoboxes. This would drop F, leaving only K and C. I think K and C are somewhat redundant because it's very easy to convert between them, and only displaying C would be sufficient. So I would recommend getting rid of the table and just displaying min, max, and mean surface temp as three different normal fields. On some planets, not all the values are filled in, so this would look less weird. -- Beland (talk) 20:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 12 August 2024

Can the label mean anomaly be changed to read mean anomaly at epoch? I'm assuming this field is intended to be M0 (rather than M), but the way it's labeled currently is misleading and confusing.

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[[Mean anomaly]]

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[[Mean anomaly|Mean anomaly at epoch]]

Elleh3113 (talk) 22:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC) Elleh3113 (talk) 22:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

That is rather long for an infobox label and is likely to cause the text to wrap on any article using this field — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I agree it's on the longer side, but "Mean anomaly at epoch" is still shorter than multiple existing fields, so I'm not sure that's a reason to stick with a misleading label. Perhaps another solution would be to keep the text as is but link directly to Mean_anomaly#Mean anomaly at epoch? Elleh3113 (talk) 17:26, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit template-protected}} template. I agree that the naming is probably a hindrance, but if there is consensus then please feel free to re-open the TPER. Primefac (talk) 20:11, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I support Elleh3113's suggestion from 19 August, to directly link the relevant section but keep the text as is. Renerpho (talk) 09:42, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 29 August 2024

Description of suggested change: The recently created page mean radius has since been turned into a Broad Concept Article that no longer covers the connection to a planet's dimensions. The special case of astronomy was spun off into mean radius (astronomy). Similarly, mean diameter now redirects to the BCA (it previously was a redirect to mean radius), hence why that link has to be changed as well. Compare my previous edit request from 30 June 2024, and the discussion at Talk:Mean radius#Hat size.

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[[Mean radius]] {{{mean_radius}}}

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[[Mean radius (astronomy)]] {{{mean_radius}}}

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[[Mean diameter]] {{{mean_diameter}}}

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[[Mean radius (astronomy)]] {{{mean_diameter}}}

Renerpho (talk) 07:35, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

 Question: editor Renerpho, wouldn't it be better to pipe those links, as in:

• [[Mean radius (astronomy)|Mean radius]] {{{mean_radius}}}
• [[Mean radius (astronomy)|Mean diameter]] {{{mean_diameter}}}

? I'm no expert, so correct me if I'm wrong. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 09:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

You are correct, they should be. Renerpho (talk) 09:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, and  completed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 09:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth: Thanks! While I'm here, could you explain to me why the first change I suggested in my Edit request from 30 June 2024 (to change 'Yes' to Yes) was not possible? Renerpho (talk) 09:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

To editor Renerpho: happy to help! It looks as if you were wanting the 'Yes' to be italicized in the TemplateData table, and that doesn't work as expected. All it does is place "Yes" in double quotation marks, which mucks things up for those who use the TemplateData code, which, as editor Jonesey95 explained, is not a viable solution. Even though the TemplateData code is lodged within the template documentation page, and therefore not usually protected, editors should have experience before they attempt to change that code. Hope this helps! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 10:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth: It does. I was confused by what may have been conflicting advice. Thanks for explaining it again.

Oh, one more thing... I just noticed one more change that I should have proposed with my edit request. I hope you don't mind if I attach it here? In the minor planet section of the infobox template, the "dimensions" parameter should now link to Dimensions (astronomy), which is a redirect to the main radius (astronomy) article. The concept is defined there.

• [[Mean radius (astronomy)|Dimensions]] {{{dimensions}}}

This was one of the last parameters that are still missing an appropriate link and for which the definition is not obvious (the dimensions of a minor planet are the principal axes of the unique ellipsoid with the same volume and moments of inertia). The concepts of radius and dimensions are so closely related that they can be conveniently handled within the same article. If you could make that change as well, that would be great! Renerpho (talk) 12:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

 No problemo. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 18:16, 30 August 2024 (UTC)