Template talk:Infobox currency

Infobox Lists: long & trivial

At euro, the infobox contains six lists each with 15–30 entries (rows), 103 rows in total. Thats the data points: user countries, printers, printer websites, mint, mint websites, pegging countries. (US dollar has 57 such rows, luckily they have only 1 mint and 1 printer).

The Data points. First of all, I question whether the websites of both mint and printer are infobox-worthy. Even if its just one. Same question for mint and printer names themselves. So that's four data names. Per WP:INFOBOX, (1) only info that's already in the article body can be summarised in the infobox and (2), it should be a summary not a full repetition let alone new info. We can and should require that this info, clearly deemed relevant to the article, be presented (listed) in the article itself. Removal from infobox then is easy to argue, possibly leaving a see-link in there (when mint/printer data is structured, eg fixed section name).

The numbers. About the euro example, with 103 list rows. All the above applies: why list mints & printers & peggers at all? Then, know that in mobile view, all lists are unfolded (euro (m)). That is: the Reader has to scroll all 103 lines (13 screens of infobox over here) to get to the second intro line "The currency is ...".

Proposal: best solution I can think of is to move the four mint, printer + websites lists to a section somewhere below. The IB then can have a "see § sectionlink". If needed, the IB can be adjusted to accomodate such links. Also, in the case of the large euro-numbers, an article body area can have the two full lists of using countries, pegging countries, with more info (maps!) in more space. DePiep (talk) 18:58, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Add to the list of data points: |currency_in_local_name=. (for example, euro lists eight languages). -DePiep (talk) 05:59, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Support per WP:think of the reader who is most likely to be on mobile. TBF, I'm not a neutral bystander. IMO these infoboxes are overloaded and indeed I pruned the pound sterling infobox as much as I dared (with favourable rather than adverse feedback so I could have gone in harder!). The euro is perhaps an extreme case but over the years these infoboxes have become the playground of every special interest group. The mint and printer info is surely only of interest to collectors. Split. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 23:04, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

May I invite you to move that data into article body? I don't think I have much extra time coming days/weeks. My "advise" available by question, not as how-to prescription ;-) DePiep (talk) 11:36, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

• Pilot articles (evolving list)

Data points of interest: local_name, countries, printers, printer websites, mint, mint websites, pegging countries (each can be a list). Not considered a priori: coin & banknote lists, nicknames.

1. euro: 110 rows done
2. US dollar: 55 rows done 13:08, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
3. Pound sterling: 30 rows done 17:23, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
4. French franc: 15 rows
5. Austro-Hungarian crown: ..

...

-DePiep (talk) 06:24, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Labels on the subunits plural lines

As may be seen at Swiss franc, display of the subunit plurals is a complete mess. The problem is general, just obvious in that case. AFAICS, the problem is created by using the subunit name as a label (for example, where it easier to see, pound sterling:

Subunit

1⁄100          penny

Plural

penny        pence

"Pence" is obviously the plural of penny. What else would it be? If there are four subunit names, as with CHF, listing in the same order makes it obvious.)

I think that it is this that is causing it:

label24 =  {{{subunit_name_1}}} (ditto label25, 26, 27, 28)

IMO, the label is redundant and should be omitted given the problem it causes.

@DePiep:, as you are working on the template, I don't want to risk messing up your work in progress by changing the template in mid-flight, so would you incorporate this change in your next "release", please? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:54, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

I have put it on my list. Hope it is lowhanging fruit. DePiep (talk) 12:01, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

I hope so, but its the trivial changes that go horribly wrong I think this will do it:

label24 = {{nbsp}}

label25 = {{nbsp}}

label26 = {{nbsp}}

label27 = {{nbsp}}

label28 = {{nbsp}}

The nbsp is probably not needed but ... --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 12:23, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

{{void}} would be better as it makes it clear that the omission of any evident label is intentional. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:07, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Could you write down what output you expect? I expect some list or table thing. Don't worry about spaces, just the setup example for a subunit. DePiep (talk) 15:45, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Subunit
1⁄100          penny
Plural
                pence

Is that what you wanted? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:16, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

"plural" should not be a new, bold entry: all sub1 are together.

I'd prefer writing like "1⁄100 £" (add unit). Overall we better standardise the notation for sing/plural. "s / p" I propose. For local/Latin script, similar & add script name consistently. DePiep (talk) 20:28, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree re 'Plural' in bold but that's how it is at present. I have no objection to changing it.

re s/p, is this what you have in mind? (note revised position of currency symbol)

Subunit    (s)          (p)
£1⁄100          penny      pence

Two concerns: (a) the plural is redundantly obvious in most cases (cent/cents) and "its complicated" in others; (b) are there any long names that will make a dog's breakfast of the infobox, as in the case of the Swiss Franc (which is what provoked this discussion). Centesimo/Centesimi for example. Either way, I doubt that there is room for this arrangement. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 00:19, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

OK. Already looks better. We must accomodate the cases, that's part of the topic. Also needed: multiple scripts(/langs?), nicknames. To be continued. DePiep (talk) 08:20, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

FYI, Template:Infobox_currency/testcases#subunits shows what is going on. You see the repetition of name input. CAn't promise speedy solution. DePiep (talk) 10:04, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

It's beginning to look like the Tantalus story revisited for that low-hanging fruit . We need to find a way to show that the plural/symbol/nickname are subsidiary to sub-unit: right now they appear to have equal status. If we had that hierarchy, there would be no need to repeat the name input (which is what generated the mess at CHF). --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:03, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Image caption?

Is it possible to add an image caption? toobigtokale (talk) 06:54, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

What do you have in mind? For example, pound sterling has two images with captions:

| image_1 = British 12 sided pound coin.png

| image_title_1 = £1 coin (obverse)

| image_2 = Bank of England £50 Series G obverse.jpg

| image_title_2 = Series G £50 banknote

Is that not enough? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:40, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Oh! Yes that’s what I was looking for toobigtokale (talk) 22:49, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Subunits for MGA and MRU

Despite the fact that ISO 4217 defines the minor unit of the Malagasy ariary and Mauritanian ouguiya as having 2 digits after the decimal point, both of these currencies are technically subdivided to where the 5 of the minor unit make up the main unit. Could there be an override made so it doesn't pull from the ISO template and 0.01 does not show up in this field in the infobox for these two currencies (as it conflicts with the article body)? HapHaxion _{(talk / contribs)} 08:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)