Template talk:Infobox lighthouse

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Latest comment: 2 years ago by MSGJ in topic History section

Use of wikidata

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I am reviewing the use of Wikidata in this template, and considering whether any other fields can be fetched. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:16, 1 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Field Properties Status
Title label  Y 2017
Image image (P18), media legend (P2096)  Y 2017
Location located in/on physical feature (P706), location (P276), located in the administrative territorial entity (P131), country (P17)  Y 2017
Coordinates coordinate location (P625)  Y 2017
Automated significant event (P793) - automatization (Q24410992) / point in time (P585)  Y 2017
Deactivated service retirement (P730)  Y 2017
Tower shape shape (P1419)  Y 2017
Tower height height (P2048)  Y 2017
Focal height focal height (P2923)  Y 2017
Range lighthouse range (P2929)  Y 2017
Characteristic light characteristic (P1030)  Y 2017
Racon racon signal (P3994)  Y 2017
Managing agent operator (P137)  Y 2017
Heritage heritage designation (P1435)  Y 2017
OS grid OS grid reference (P613)   Done
Year first constructed inception (P571)   Done
Year first lit service entry (P729)   Done
Intensity luminous intensity (P3041)   Done
Light source source of energy (P618)  N not the same
Admiralty number Admiralty number (P3562)   Done
NGA number NGA lighthouse ID (P3563)   Done
ARLHS number ARLHS lighthouse ID (P2980)   Done
USCG number USCG lighthouse ID (P3723)   Done
Construction made from material (P186)   Done
Markings/pattern color (P462), has pattern (P5422)   Done
Built by designed by (P287), main building contractor (P193)   Done
CCG number Canadian Coastguard Lighthouse ID (P3920)   Done
Lens type of lens (P9597)   Done} May 2021

Additional identifiers

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Is there interest in adding any of the following identifiers to the infobox? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:59, 1 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

My personal opinion is that these kinds of identifiers should generally be kept to a minimum in the infobox, because they are not human-readable. However I think country specific identifiers could be useful for lighthouses from those specific countries, and if the identifier links to a reliable source of information for that lighthouse (e.g. NGA) then that is quite useful for verifying details. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:07, 2 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Year first constructed

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If a lighthouse takes several years to construct (not unusual) should this field record the start of construction or the end of construction? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:35, 2 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

I don't know if anyone else is watching and would like to comment? My opinion is that "Constucted" should logically give the date of start of construction. If it was the end of construction, then it would in most cases coincide with the "First lit" field. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:26, 4 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Light source

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What kind of values does this field take? I would be interested to see some examples of it in use. I suspect it is not equivalent to source of energy (P618) (which would be solar power/battery for most lighthouses nowadays) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:48, 3 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Stuffed cat: would you be able to explain your reasoning for adding this field to the infobox, and give some examples of its use? And if possible, could the documentation be for this parameter be made clearer? Thanks — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:48, 11 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
I think the best list of options comes from the series of light sources I put on the South Gare Lighthouse page: Paraffin wick lamp, Pressurised paraffin burner, Tungsten filament lamp, CDM T lamp, High intensity LED lamp.
The trouble is that most of these are obsolete and I suspect only a limited range of sources are used today. As for the reasoning it's a matter of documenting and characterising the lighthouse. As you suggest the 'Power source' might also be a good one to have and this might take values like: Mains electricity, Hydrogen fuel cell, Photovoltaic cells. I'm not confused about what |lightsource is but I think the examples should clear up any confusion there may be. Anyway I've modified the Usage part and I hope all concerned are happy with it. I note that there's a lot of red warnings on the preview page - I don't think that has anything to do with me. Stuffed Cat (talk) 02:30, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the clarification Stuffed cat. That is a really nice comprehensive article there, and well sourced! I think a list of possible values would be useful. It won't be exhaustive, but should guide editors. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:09, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

In my experience most uses of this field are using it incorrectly. The most common value is "solar power" or occasionally "mains power", which is of course not the "light source" but the "power source". I am proposing to add a new field to the infobox called Power source and get its data from source of energy (P618). I will look into whether the erroneous values in |lightsource= can be transferred over in due course. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:14, 1 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I have created Category:Solar powered lighthouses using wrong field to find articles where editors have wrongly used "solar powered" in the "light source" field. I plan to move these over to the "power source" field instead. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:49, 21 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
This is now   Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:50, 16 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Qualifiers

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The infobox will now recognise some qualifiers from Wikidata. For example:

made from material
  wood   edit
applies to part, aspect, or form tower
▼ 0 reference
+ add reference
+ add value
color
  white   edit
applies to part, aspect, or form tower
▼ 0 reference
+ add reference
  black   edit
applies to part, aspect, or form lantern
▼ 0 reference
+ add reference
+ add value
Infobox lighthouse
Constructionwood (tower)
Markingswhite (tower), black (lantern)

yields the example on the right. I will endeavour to document these features shortly — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Lens

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Original lens1st order 920mm fixed lens
Current lensFourth order Fresnel lens
Lens1st order 920mm fixed lens (original),
Fourth order Fresnel lens (current)

I suggest merging Original lens and Current lens into simply Lens. If both fields are used then qualifiers (original) and (current) could be added automatically. If just one is used, then no qualifier is needed.

The reason is that if the current is the same as the original, then the infobox looks a little silly. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:53, 16 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Original lensFourth order Fresnel lens
Current lensFourth order Fresnel lens
LensFourth order Fresnel lens

I have created a tracking category Category:Lighthouses using current lens parameter and intend to merge the two parameters shortly — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:46, 21 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

I have emptied Category:Lighthouses using current lens parameter only by renaming the "currentlens" parameter to "lens". I am planning to start on the remaining articles in Category:Lighthouses using current lens parameter by appending (original) and (current) to the values and merging, i.e. for example, from
 | lens = Fourth order [[Fresnel lens]]
 | currentlens = 375 mm lens 

to

 | lens = Fourth order [[Fresnel lens]] (original), 375 mm lens (current)

— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:36, 10 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

  Done All instances have been converted, and the currentlens parameter will be removed shortly — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:16, 16 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

CHS number

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I don't think CHS number (linked to Canadian Hydrographic Service) is an accurate name for this. The list of lights appears to be maintained by the Canadian Coast Guard. Editors have got around the issue by prefixing the number with CCG. I suggest renaming this label to CCG number and then these prefixes would be redundant. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:03, 7 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

  Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:48, 13 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

The prefix CCG on these numbers is now unnecessary. I have created a tracking category Category:Lighthouses with CCG prefix to find these for removal. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:48, 21 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

These have now been cleared — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:44, 10 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Owner parameter?

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Hi, is there any interest in adding an "owner" parameter in the infobox? In most cases a lighthouse is owned by the national government of the site but an exception is possible. Regards, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 13:15, 23 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

There is |managing_agent=, which displays with the heading Operator:. Since there are probably very few cases where the owner is different that the operator, exceptions can be handled by saying something like "(owned by national government)" after showing the operator. MB 14:19, 23 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
I think adding "owner" would be an excellent idea, but perhaps with advice not to include unless it is different from operator? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:56, 14 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Importing to Wikidata

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For those editors interested in using Wikidata to store the data for the infoboxes, I have been working on a tool to help import directly from the infobox template.

Adding |qs=yes adds a link to QuickStatements which can quickly import some of the data from the infobox. For a proof of concept, try clicking the colored arrow   on the infobox below.

It is not infallible! It needs to be used with care, and the results should be reviewed afterwards. Some known limitations:

  • Units are fixed to metres (height and focal height) and nautical miles (range). If any different units are used in the infobox, errors will be introduced.
  • Any preceding characters in front of values will stop it working. For example |yearlit=~1880 would not work.
  • A character inside a number (e.g. |intensity=15,000) will be truncated to 15.
  • Statements are marked as imported from enwiki, but should be referenced to a reliable source where possible. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Admiralty number syncronised with Wikidata

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I am happy to report that the admiralty number in the template is now fully aligned with Admiralty number (P3562) on Wikidata. To keep them synchonised I am proposing to remove the local parameter and just use the value on Wikidata. This will be the first step towards a master plan that I proposed earlier in the year. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:32, 22 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Update: NGA number and CCG number are now fully aligned with their Wikidata values, so the local parameters for these have been turned off. Still to do: ARLHS number and USCG number — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:51, 30 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
Update: ARLHS number is now aligned with Wikidata and the local parameter has been switched off — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:04, 30 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sections for tower and light

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Ardnamurchan Lighthouse
 
 
LocationArdnamurchan Point, Ardnamurchan, Highland, United Kingdom  
OS gridNM4158767473
Coordinates56°43′38″N 6°13′34″W / 56.7271°N 6.22602°W / 56.7271; -6.22602
Tower
Constructed1849  
Built byAlan Stevenson  
Constructiongranite (tower)  
Automated1988  
Height35 m (115 ft)  
OperatorNorthern Lighthouse Board  
Heritagecategory A listed building  
Light
Focal height55 m (180 ft)  
Range24 nmi (44 km; 28 mi)  
CharacteristicFl(2) W 20s  

We are grouping properties of the tower at the top of the infobox and properties of the light at the bottom of the infobox. What do people think about adding some headings to make the distinction clearer? An example is shown right. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:42, 3 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

This now been implemented — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:04, 15 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Bug in code

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Burlington Breakwater South Light
 
modern replica lighthouse, lit in 2004
 
LocationBurlington, US
Coordinates44°28′12″N 73°13′32″W / 44.470028°N 73.225667°W / 44.470028; -73.225667
Tower
Constructed1857  
Constructionlumber  
Shapesquare pyramid  
Markingswhite  
Light
First lit2003  
Focal height12 ft (3.7 m)  
Range7 nmi (13 km; 8.1 mi)  
CharacteristicFl W 4s  

I have discovered that if two images are held on Wikidata and only the second one has a caption, then the template will give the first image but give it the caption of the second image! I will look into fixing this somehow ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:16, 3 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Image parameter

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I think image would be a simpler parameter name than image_name. The latter is unintuitive and always forces me back to the template documentation when I find that image doesn't work! I suggest the template should accept the image parameter as an alternative. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:38, 7 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Deprecated parameters

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I have posted a request at WP:BOTREQ to remove several parmeters which are no longer used by this template. They are listed below.

  • Admiralty
  • ARLHS
  • Canada
  • coordinates_footnotes
  • NGA
  • pushpin
  • pushpin_label_position
  • pushpin_map
  • pushpin_map_alt
  • pushpin_map_caption
  • pushpin_mapsize
  • pushpin_outside
  • pushpin_relief
  • relief
  • USCG

— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:39, 7 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

This has now been completed — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:53, 8 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

History section

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I'm thinking it would be good to have a section in the infobox for the history of the lighthouse, including all significant dates. We can bring the "constructed", "first lit", "automated" into this section along with other important dates like "commissioned", "electrified", "destroyed", etc. Of course they would need to be in chronological order to make sense. I will make a mock-up to see what it would look like. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:42, 2 April 2022 (UTC)Reply