Template talk:Major roads in Laguna

Highways and expressways

I believe we have to come up with standard names for these two types of thoroughfares as im seeing some articles and templates calling the highways as national roads and vice versa. The official names as per DPWH are national roads for highways, and high standard highways for expressways. Shall we go with the official names? Or the common names as plain highways and expressways? @TagaSanPedroAko.--RioHondo (talk) 06:33, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

The common designations "expresssway" and "national road" will be better (most highways will be called national roads/highways, and even that designation made its way to addresses on places beside national roads which has no known name or a less known name), but it is already okay to indicate the route numbers, and type of national road. So, it's okay to use "national road" over highway, because if we use "highway" here, even roads that are maintained by LGUs or private entities (excluding expressways, whose maintenance by private entities are under a concession with the government) will even be listed. The redesigned navboxes included new sections named "Other major roads" and "Provincial roads", so, roads that do not fall on the national road or highway designation will be accommodated.TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 06:44, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Going to the standardization thing, Philippine road navboxes should have these sections:

• Expressways
  • Existing
  • Proposed/under construction
• National roads
  • Primary
  • Secondary
  • Tertiary
• Provincial roads
• Other major roads

Having the navboxes classify roads by status ("Existing" and "Proposed/under construction") looks like there is no distinction what type of road it is. Plus, that classification can no longer fit with the route numbering scheme being implemented that means that we should distinguish each road by its type. That is why I redesigned the navboxes to distinguish roads by designation.

Okay. My only concern for using the official name national road is that an article would still have to be created to provide its Philippine definition. Also we would need separate articles for national primary road and national secondary road to give a Philippine (not Irish) definition for each. Whereas, highway is more generic and would not require us to come up with anything more. I think we can agree that provincial or municipal roads not under DPWH are not major roads or highways per se (as per wiki definition). They are simply local roads and do not serve the purpose of a highway (hence are not under the Department of public works and Highways).--RioHondo (talk) 05:38, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

To be clear, DPWH also maintains a set of national roads of the local importance (the "tertiary" national roads), that may range from access roads for/within government offices and infrastructure, roads transferred to national maintenance from LGU maintenance, or even roads connecting certain municipalities not served by the primary or secondary network. But as we use DPWH designations in this case, local road will be those maintained by LGUs, that is, the provincial roads, city/municipal roads and barangay roads, and we consider the tertiary national roads as national roads.TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 18:43, 2 June 2017 (UTC)