Template talk:National football squad player

Goals

Following a lot of mucking around, I'll make it so all national football squad templates will display goals, as I feel that should have been included from the start. Poulsen 18:39, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I would certainly agree that the goals column would be a nice-to-have addition, but I am not sure whether it's a good idea to make it fixed. From my survey of the tournament squad lists (see also Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:National football squad player), not one single existing squad list (before or after the application of this series of templates) has this column, and making it a fixture would mean an empty column on many such lists. I would tend to make this optional (by way of {{tl:qif}}) for the time being, then re-consider this move some time in the future when more and more squad lists are equipped with this optional data. --Pkchan 05:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

If you look at the team lists now they are looking rather bizarre, as the hidden goals option in {{nat fs player}} seems to push everything one coloumn to the right. So, I think either implement it fully, or revert back to when there were no problems (delete goal option). It will be easy enough to make a seperate set of goals-moderated templates only for the Denmark national football team, as that is the only place utilizing goals until now that I'm aware of (I have in mind to do the various Denmark Euro and WC squads at some point, too). Poulsen 23:29, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I see. In that case I would agree to your second proposal, ie revert to the version without goals column in {{nat fs player}} and spawn off a version with the goals column for the more informative squad lists. Let's see how these lists evolve over time before re-considering whether to unify the two. --Pkchan 12:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Poulsen, I've acted first and reverted to fix the squad lists for the time being. Meanwhile if you have a better idea, feel free to raise it here. --Pkchan 12:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Good to see everything looks nice and normal again. I've made {{nat fs g start}} and {{nat fs g player}} to include goals. With my miniscule coding skills this seems to be the only way to go, for the time being. Poulsen 13:40, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

What about a "First cap" section? ☺ -- The pathetic APclark Be nice not nasty 20:53, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Caps

(originally posted on User talk:Pkchan)

Hi. I noticed you made the national player template that includes a Caps column. I wanted to know if the caps is supposed to be 1.Games played at the respective tournament, 2.Games played in career up to tournament but not including it, 3. Games played in career up to and including tournament, or 4. Career total games played. I made the squad lists for World Cups from 1930-62. But I left out the caps because I was unsure. I have seen some filled in differently so I was confused. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Libro0 (talk • contribs) .

It would depend on the context at which the template is used. For the tournament squad lists (like the ones you are working on), caps should be the number of international appearances racked up immediately before the start of the tournament, ie (2). (3) is an alternative choice under the same context, but is generally regarded as less descriptive of the player and is editorally more difficult to maintain (see also Talk:2006 FIFA World Cup (squads)#Caps). There might be circumstances where the total number of career international appearances, ie (4), would be useful, eg an official "best lineup" for a national team, though that would be rare. (1) appears to be against the common usagen of the word caps, as the term generally refers to a cumulative figure, and I do not recommend its usage over any circumstances. --Pkchan 22:38, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Related alternative templates

This is just a short note, to list all the other related alternative templates for showing a current/specific squad:

• {{National football squad player (goals)}}, or {{Nat fs g player}} in short:
  With a Goals column, and still show the players "Date of Birth" in the Age column.
  Previously used by this article at Oct.16-2010.
  And expanded to also include the optional "other" info in a small parenthesis at Nov.6-2010.

• {{National football squad player (goals, version 2)}}, or {{Nat fs g2 player}} in short:
  With a Goals column, and showing Age by "Year" instead of "Date of Birth".
  Previously used by this article at Nov.18-2010.

• {{National football squad player (goals, version 3)}}, or {{Nat fs g3 player}} in short:
  Same as version 2, but expanded with a specified Position column.
  Currently used by this article at Nov.19-2010.

The 3 versions above, currently also exist in a parallel variant called "recent", to show the "recent squad" of a national team with inclusion of a special extra coloumn to also note the "latest match". If you visit the links listed above, you will also find the related examples of the 3 different "recent squad" versions. As a general rule of thumb, the goal should be only to have as few templates in use as possible. However, there was a need to create the newest version 2 and version 3 of the template, for those Nations where the national FA also have chosen to post the exact field position the selected player is supposed to play (because when this info is included by the box, there was a "layout" call, to convert the long "Date of Birth" coloumn into a much shorter "Age" column). In example, version 3 of the template has now been implemented by the Denmark national football team article, to also show the exact field position of each player. Danish Expert (talk) 12:11, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

'Teams' column for womens competitions

The situation with professional womens football/soccer (whatever your leaning) is that many players are with two clubs, playing 4-5 month seasons with each during a 12 month period. e.g. Sam Kerr playing with Perth Glory and Chicago Red Stars. Rather than have to alternate and update club teams for the articles on each Country's women's national soccer team article, can the template be altered to accommodate 2 clubs simultaneously? Matilda Maniac (talk) 09:31, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Not needed. This applies to men as well - those who play for both A and B team in the same league system, for example. It's fine as it is. GiantSnowman 09:41, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

GiantSnowman Surely playing for American Chicago Red Stars in the NWSL and also for Australian Perth Glory in the W-League is different than playing let's say for Spanish Real Madrid B and for Real Madrid, which in most cases is a youth/less talented player mostly playing for the B team and occasionally making an A appearance when squad players are injured/overseas/missing or an A-team player making a handful of appearances in the B team when coming back from a lengthy time off. OTOH, the women playing for 2 clubs (such as Kerr) are usually regular starting players at both clubs (for example, this past year Kerr played 20 matches for Chicago and 13 matches for Perth). --SuperJew (talk) 10:00, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Are they playing week in, week out for both teams, flying back and forth across the Pacific? Or do they spend the first half of the season with one team and the second with another? GiantSnowman 10:24, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

No they play an entire season (over half a year) with one team and an entire season (over half a year) with another. The point is that the 'rule' which was probably constructed for the men's teams doesn't necessarily work for the current paradigm for women's football. Matilda Maniac (talk) 14:51, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Let me rephrase. They spend Jan-June (or whenever) with one club and June-Dec (or whenever) with another, and there is no actual overlap? GiantSnowman 14:57, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

No overlap. Matilda Maniac (talk) 22:22, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

@Matilda Maniac: Have you considered drafting what the new userbox will look like? Hmlarson (talk) 19:05, 9 June 2019 (UTC)