Template talk:US Senator succession box

Class

I added text for showing what class the senators were in. I set a default parameter, however, this means pages which aren't updated will show an ugly "Class ?". Therefore, I'm going to try to change all the uses, and look up the value, but bear with me as I try to change this. I think that this should be on these templates, so here goes. --Mathwizard1232 05:48, 17 February 2006 (UTC) Update:Finished with adding the class information to all pages, and the template. --Mathwizard1232 07:16, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I made some requested changes so that this template can produce 'incumbent' style text if no 'after' parameter is set and a 'start' parameter is used. Thereafter I changed Template:Incumbent U.S. Senator box to redirect to this page. Thus the 'incumbent' and 'regular' forms can both be used exactly as they were before or incumbents can call this template directly with the parameters they previously used for the 'Incumbent U.S. Senator box'. --CBDunkerson 01:36, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

United States

There seems to be some opposing viewpoints with this. Should it be U.S. or United States. I personally think that what ever it is, the US rep box should be the same. Any thoughts? American Patriot 1776 20:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

• I prefer U.S. over United States just because in this instance it keeps the box less crowded. It's a little cleaner. I feel similarly about {{USRepSuccessionBox}}, its House of Reps counterpart.—Markles 02:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
• I personally like United States as it just looks more professional. While it does expand the box a little, it does look a little nicer. American Patriot 1776 03:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Proposal: Remove "Alongside"

First discussion

Suggestion: I suggest we remove "alongside" from the box.

Deadline for consensus: March 12007.

Reason: It's excessive and mostly irrelevant. Many senators already have many other boxes and this just clutters things up. I would also suggest removing the class, but that's a separate argument.—Markles 13:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Result: There's been no objection, so I request that an Admin remove the field from the template.—Markles 13:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

N Declined. Nah, too few people watch this. Silence isn't a consensus for a potentially controversial edit to a widely used template. Try removing the parameter from some of the senators' articles and see if the editors there agree with you (direct them here so they can leave their opinion). Sandstein 21:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

• OK, good idea. I'll try it.—Markles 22:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Second discussion

Proposal: I propose we remove "alongside" from the box. Frankly I think "class" can go, too. I did a lot to implement them a while ago, but now I'm changing my mind.

Reason: It's excessive and unnecessary. Do I need to know that John Kerry served alongside Ted Kennedy? It clutters up the article. I admit it's not a strong reason, but if this page weren't protected, I would have just edited it, and that would be it.—Markles 22:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Oppose Sorry to disagree. I love the alongside and class options. I wish there was a rational for adding it to the one to two, two to one, etc. succession boxes.--Dr who1975 01:03, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Comment I wanted to voice my opposition more articulatly. I think the alongside box is a neat way to display extra information about a Senator's time in the Senate. I think it engages people's interest in the subject matter more. I do not think it clutters up the page.--Dr who1975 14:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Oppose (much after-the-fact). This discussion seems closed, but I stumbled on it. If it comes up again, note that I would strongly oppose removing this useful information that is used frequently in Senate documents and the like. LotLE×talk 20:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Result:  Not done. I now have administrator's abilities, but I'm still not convinced and nobody else wants to do it either. We can revisit it again next year (2009). —Markles 21:03, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Templates that redirect here

{{editprotected}} The only template listed in this section is now a redlink. I suggest the section's removed. Bazj (talk) 09:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Done. --- RockMFR 17:03, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Edit request from CWenger, 14 May 2011

Could somebody replace

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with

{{#ifexpr: {{Str find|{{{start}}}| }} >= 0 | – |–}}

?

This is to fix the spacing around the en dash according to MOS:ENDASH. This same fix has already been applied at Template:USRepSuccessionBox. Thanks. –CWenger (^ • @) 16:52, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

• Can you make the proposed change here: Template:U.S. Senator box/sandbox? If it's OK, I'll copy it over.—Markles 11:36, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
• I found the request was clear so went ahead and made the change. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:24, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Thanks both of you. Working great now. –CWenger (^ • @) 16:39, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Proposal: Wikilink "Class"

First discussion

Suggestion: I suggest we link "Class" to the article that explains classes; i.e., change "Class" to "[[Classes of United States senators|Class]]".

Deadline for consensus: (tbd)

Reason: The idea of Senate classes is not obvious to everyone, and it deserves explanation. The wikilink would add value without degrading the readability of the box. Peter Chastain (talk) 23:21, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

• Seems non-controversial to me. To ahead and do it; I don't think we need a consensus. If there are qualms, then we revert and come back here to discuss. If you can't edit it, let me know; I'm an Admin. —GoldRingChip 01:55, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

GoldRingChip, thanks for your response and your offer to edit this protected page. However, when I edited it in the sandbox, I discovered that my proposed wikilink is inside another wikilink. So, I withdraw my request. Peter Chastain (talk) 05:16, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 25 September 2019

Please change "[[List of United States Senators from ..." to "List of United States senators from ...". This titles of all these articles use lower-case 'senators'. Colonies Chris (talk) 13:37, 25 September 2019 (UTC) Colonies Chris (talk) 13:37, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:05, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Colonies Chris (talk) 12:10, 4 October 2019 (UTC)