Template talk:Vowels

Too big

I think this template is a bit too big to fit at the top of the article. It's crowding the lead and fighting for space with the smaller IPA-template. Could we restyle it to make it go in the center (I'm not sure how to do this) and stick it down at the bottom, just like the consonant template?

Peter ^Isotalo 08:14, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Subst

At a minimum, subst'ing in the IPA vowel chart will reduce the width (addressing the earlier comment here) and decouple the logically separate tasks of navigating the vowel articles versus describing the IPA vowel symbols. Subst'ing was also discussed in the context of navigating vowels that don't have dedicated IPA symbols, at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 November 16#Template:Near-close_central_unrounded_vowel. Pi zero (talk) 10:45, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Vowel length

Per this edit summary, I'm not convinced that we need to mention vowel length at all. Partly because it's not featured but also partly because it's not always true. It's also possible to feature longer vowels by doubling the vowel. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]} 05:36, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Caption problem

 Done
Hey, isn't the caption wrong? In the diagram, the unrounded vowels precede the bullet, and the rounded vowels follow it. But the caption says:

Before and after a bullet are the rounded · unrounded vowels.

The ordering is backwards, isn't it? --Byako (talk) 05:24, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

You're right, I'll change it. The official IPA chart at commons writes "vowels at right & left of bullets are rounded & unrounded": the r-to-l did it. -DePiep (talk) 08:26, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal

See discussion here: Template talk:CSS IPA vowel chart#Merger proposal. -DePiep (talk) 09:39, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Merging IPA/non-IPA symbols: Roundup & solution

More actual developments here. -DePiep (talk) 14:12, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Template cooperation with infobox IPA

Topic continued from here: Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi]} writes: "One thing to do is have the navbox combine with the stats at the top so that we have a sort of infobox+navigation setup."

I understand this is about cooperation of this IPA vowel chart template, and the {{infobox IPA}} (actually {{infobox IPA base}}), while they are next to or near each other. Example: Mid central vowel.

Question: what would be the proposed layout? Both on one row, and then infobox or chart utmost right? Or on top of each other, which one atop?

Note, we should not merge these two templates, because the vowel chart is used in other, more general articles as well, e.g. Central_vowel (don't get mislead by the enveloping navbox thing. It's about the vowel chart). -DePiep (talk) 16:01, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Since the two are roughly the same size, I'd think we could have them side-by-side, though there might be conventions I'm not familiar with that would compell us to do it top down. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi]} 00:59, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. I suggest the chart being the rightmost? I might be playing in the sandbox later on. -DePiep (talk) 02:11, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

 All vowels. Using both templates and their deflaut layout-settings. Infobox is on outside.
-DePiep (talk) 12:56, 27 July 2010 (UTC)