Template talk:Welcome-t

Proposed rewording

The final paragraph of the template is a bit awkwardly worded and the capitalization isn't quite right. I think changing the wording from
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. Again, If you need help visit the Teahouse or you can to ask for help on your talk page, and a volunteer should respond shortly. Again, welcome! We are so glad you are here!
to
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert automatically inserts your username and the date. Feel free to visit the Teahouse or to ask for help on your talk page, and a volunteer should respond shortly. Again, welcome! We are so glad you are here!
would make it easier to read. I'd love to hear others' thoughts on this. Perfect4th (talk) 01:17, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

@Perfect4th: My only suggestion is a minor grammatical quibble: change "will automatically insert" to "automatically inserts" (that is, remove "will"). It's an example of zero conditional grammar. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:14, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

@Anachronist: I've changed the wording as you've suggested. Perfect4th (talk) 15:00, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

As I believe every newcomer now has access to the 'reply' button, shouldn't that be part of the 'don't forget to sign' instruction? Nick Moyes (talk) 09:42, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: The reply tool signs posts automatically – are you thinking a conditional-type addition ('if you are not using the reply tool, please sign your messages')? I don't think many other welcome templates include that yet, so they might need to be updated too. Perfect4th (talk) 15:00, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Perfect4th Yes - that was indeed my thinking. Effectively, "click the reply link and type @ to select the name of the user you are replying to. This automatically signs your post for you. Alternatively, type four tildes if you don't do it that way". But better worded! Nick Moyes (talk) 16:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Huh. I got so accustomed to editing the section I'm replying in, that I never noticed that "reply" link before. I'm using it now, and I see in the preview that it's automatically inserting my signature, but not automatically pinging the person to whom I'm replying.

The '@' feature is interesting, but instruction on using it would be better left to the editor UI. If I hover over the little person icon, I see it does the '@' thing. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Interesting, I wasn't aware of the '@' feature. Nick Moyes, were you thinking something like "To reply to discussions on talk pages, you can click the reply link and type @ to select the name of the user you are replying to. The reply tool automatically signs your post for you. Alternatively, you can edit the discussion directly and sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~)."? Adding a new section might need to be mentioned too. Perfect4th (talk) 01:36, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

@Perfect4th I guess so - something really succinct would seem sensible. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:54, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes @Anachronist @Perfect4th The main goal of the reply tool and new topic tool were to make using talk pages simple enough that people can do it intuitively without having to have it be explained. Sure, there are still a few edge cases where someone might want to sign manually, but I'd say that the enabling of the talk page project tools has moved the importance of teaching how to sign well below the high bar for welcome template inclusion of "important enough to be among the very first things you need to know to get started". So I'd suggest just removing that line as we did at {{Welcome}}. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:48, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

This makes a lot of sense. I agree that we've got too stuck into thinking signing with tildes is important, when they aren't needed any more. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:08, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

So would I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Feel free to visit the Teahouse or to ask for help on your talk page, and a volunteer should respond shortly. Again, welcome! We are so glad you are here! be best then? Perfect4th (talk) 15:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC)