User talk:Ab207/Archives/2022/March

Draft:List of Telugu films of 2023

Is it viable to post this page since we already have 2 confirmed releases for 2023. SP013 (talk) 03:25, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

SP013, just one film actually because RC15 hasn't announced officially yet. -- Ab207 (talk) 05:29, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Yadlapati Venkata Rao

On 1 March 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Yadlapati Venkata Rao, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)}  If you reply here, please ping me by using {{re|Ks0stm}} in your reply.  13:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

South Indian languages

The main South Indian languages include Telugu, Tamil, Kannada, and Malayalam. If you refer the page South India you will know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theoder2055 (talk • contribs) 11:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Theoder2055. I assume you are talking about this edit. Firstly, we should not expect to readers to click on the blue link to know such an important detail. The purpose of blue links is to guide readers to known additional information, not for conveying essential information. Hence, its always better to specify the languages instead. Secondly, the page you linked also mentions that Urdu and French have official status in South India, therefore the statement as it stands remains misleading. Thanks -- Ab207 (talk)

Agree with Ab207 in this case. Maybe you should hold discussion on talk page. It seems an IP reverted your edit to this. "All" sounds misleading. DareshMohan (talk) 03:30, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Ab207 I also agree but I have a doubt. Is that film Maaran dubbed in Hindi? Is it a pan Indian film? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theoder2055 (talk • contribs) 11:45, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Empty source

Moved to Talk:Gangubai Kathiawadi § Budget

 – Moved content dispute to article talk page. Ab207 (talk) 12:48, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

V. Srinivas Goud

The article needs some work and of course the plot. Interested? I’m a bit sick atm, couldn’t help much for a couple of days :/ DaxServerOnMobile (talk) 18:44, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

DaxServer, Srinivas Goud needs a plot?? -- Ab207 (talk) 12:38, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

The assassination attempt! Altho, we could make a movie and put a plot of our own :P — DaxServer (t · c) 12:43, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

DaxServer, Oh, I get it now. Seems to have received enough coverage to add in the article. -- Ab207 (talk) 12:51, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

March 2022

Hello I'm Harald. I need your help. Please visit these two pages Pathaan (upcoming film) and Tiger 3, this page has been deleted many times. This is the 3rd or 4th page, they are redirect and copy pasting after the deletions. The statements and sources are unreliable and unofficial. Check these pages and nominate for deletion. Thank you. Harald.Hardradã.1015 (talk) 14:42, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Harald.Hardradã.1015, tagged Pathaan for speedy, and nominated Tiger 3 for AfD. -- Ab207 (talk) 14:44, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Ab207 why you undone my edits from every page. I protected those pages from some IP address users disruptive behaviour edits. U Reverted my edits without knowing anything. Good work . I didn't come in your way, u should also do the same. Otherwise it will make u discomfort. It's a warning brother. You are the best editor of wikipedia i agreed and appreciate your works, but wikipedia is not owned by your dad. So please Don't come in my way. End of this discussion. Harald.Hardradã.1015 (talk) 12:50, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Harald.Hardradã.1015, I have explained my reverts in the edit summary and to you personally in this discussion, I recommend you to go through WP:LEADCITE which says citing non-controversial statements explicitly again is not required. Also these necessary to statements are necessary to the article per MOS:LEAD and WP:FILMLEAD.

I'm no where near being in being the best editor but I believe all my edits are policy-compliant and I'm ready to explain my rationale whenever called upon. -- Ab207 (talk) 12:57, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Ab207 You are a good editor in wikipedia. But here you only visiting the pages that i have edited. Removing my edits taking it as personal. And keep reverting. In Etharkkum Thunindhavan the statements already added in the production section and adding the same contents many times again in the top, middle and end by IP address users. Harald.Hardradã.1015 (talk) 13:10, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Harald.Hardradã.1015, this is an inaccurate statement as nothing personal is intended here. You've made 40+ edits to various articles today, while I made 70+ edits during the same period. We are engaged in a dispute only at two articles, Etharkkum Thunindhavan and Beast (2022 film), both are related to the same policy of MOS:LEAD. The content already in the production must be briefly mentioned again in the lead per WP:FILMLEAD, without citations; see how the lead of The Batman (film) is written for example. -- Ab207 (talk) 13:23, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Harald.Hardradã.1015 The next time you make personal attacks against others, like you edit here reverting Ab207's edit here, I'll take you to the administrative noticeboards. (also noted on your talk page) — DaxServer (t · c) 13:23, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

The Batman (film) is released film, ET and beast not released Harald.Hardradã.1015 (talk) 13:25, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Harald.Hardradã.1015, then you may go through Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom or any other well developed article of future film. -- Ab207 (talk) 13:29, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Ab207 ok I understood my mistakes. I will not come in that way. And you should also do the same. Bye brother Harald.Hardradã.1015 (talk) 13:46, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:Harald.Hardradã.1015 - disruption and personal attacks. Thank you. — DaxServer (t · c) 14:08, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Etharkkum Thuninthavan

Hi I have added a content in Etharkkum Thuninthavan under the post production with a reliable source. Could you just check If I have added any unreliable source by mistakenly? I am also extremely sorry for removing content from the lead in Beast. Theoder2055 (talk) 12:52, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Theoder2055: Yeah, those sources work. Also there's no need to say sorry, its a responsibility on my part to explain why I reverted your edit. -- Ab207 (talk) 09:18, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

If you want come on kid block me. You seen me as a hater from beginning. No need to undone your comment. Harald.Hardradã.1015 (talk) 13:30, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Khairatabad Ganesh

Hello! Your submission of Khairatabad Ganesh at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:43, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Mandava Sai Kumar

Hi bro I'm Mandava Sai Kumar please don't delete my wikipedia page please Mandava Sai Kumar 27.6.36.41 (talk) 20:32, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Family Pack

Request for you to create article Family Pack. There seems to be a lack of Kannada editors to create film articles on time (films like Ombatthane Dikku have enough sources for an article). Btw, thanks for Love Mocktail 2. DareshMohan (talk) 00:19, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

References

DareshMohan, I'll create in a day or two. Let's support our southern brethren. Ab207 (talk) 18:55, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Ab207 It's ok. Just create it when you get the time. DareshMohan (talk) 03:26, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

M. S. Narayana filmography

Many films are not linked in M. S. Narayana filmography. Is there any easy way to do this (mostly films from 2000-2010)? DareshMohan (talk) 00:11, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to do this. Perhaps DaxServer can give us some idea. -- Ab207 (talk) 06:30, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I’d say, use regex to replace the unlinked ones (without any year disambs) and switch to visual editor’s visual mode. If you have link colouring user script installed, then you’ll see disambs in orange and redirects in green. Resolve them manually and unlink the red ones. I could that once I’m back at the computer, in less than an hour. Thanks for asking me @Ab207 :) DaxServerOnMobile (talk) 07:27, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Swathi Kiranam

This source "Malayalam films cross boundaries" page 7, says the movie did not do well. How do we write the same here? — DaxServer (t · c) 13:29, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

DaxServer, I suppose we can say "The film performed poorly in Andhra Pradesh compared other Malayalam films of Mammootty." Btw, Kodi and Mammootty did a film together? That's like Dulquer Salmaan and Boyapati collaboration today lol. Would have been interesting had it released. -- Ab207 (talk) 13:43, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I wonder which film they were shooting or trying to shoot! DaxServerOnMobile (talk) 17:09, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Apparently titled Railway Coolie. They seem to have shot but it was never released. No worries, Ayyagaru's next film will that gap /s -- Ab207 (talk) 17:25, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

FYI - mentioned

Just an FYI, you were mentioned at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Manishrajput6395, the sock account is named Ab208 which is getting into doppelganger territory.Ravensfire (talk) 20:15, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Ravensfire, thank you for reporting them! somehow it slipped my attention. -- Ab207 (talk) 20:22, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Re:OE1995 is back

I've gone ahead and indef blocked the account. Keep an eye out for any anon edits that crop up that resemble the editor's style, if they show we can apply semi protection for a few weeks to keep the info out. Thanks for the heads up. TomStar81 (Talk) 13:24, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, TomStar81. Will keep you posted if they turn up again. -- Ab207 (talk) 13:27, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Hope to a help in Cooku with Comali (season 3)

Hi, There is an issue raised in Cooku with Comali (season 3) article where as I had created that with suitable colors and now that is been undid for some unexpected reasons. Then later I reverted them as for some minor ref. but again it has been undid with a threat. Then later I had to ask him about this in his talkpage. I hope u might help me to bring back it as then it would be familiar to update them. (This didn't happen when Bigg Boss (Tamil season 5) was been telecast but now for this show took placed; also both of them were ongoing shows and bigg boss was concluded recently but this didn't face d to this challenge.) Hope for a good reply. Thank you. -- TFE^{Ping 📝} 18:42, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

fazran fayad, since this is a content-related disputed, better to bring up this up at the article talk page so other editors can also freely participate. As the material has been challenged, try to add references somewhere in the article, be it in the table or prose. If you are adding basic and uncontroversial information, you can cite the episode in which its shown/took place. {{cite AV media}} is available for this purpose. For films, this is not generally required but I'm not very familiar with MOS of television shows to tell what's followed in such cases. -- Ab207 (talk) 19:14, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Done 🙂 -- TFE^{Ping 📝} 12:57, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

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What is poorly referenced information

Hi, My edit on Trivikram Srinivas is being rolled back citing poorly referenced information. Can you please elaborate on that? How can "poor reference" be a reason to not allow allegations of plagiarism?

43.228.92.58 (talk) 12:13, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP. As per Wikipedia's policy, original research is not allowed. Original research means material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist. So in order to add anything to the article, you must cite reliable sources like newspaper articles, magazines, books (but not blogs and gossips sites) which supports the information you add. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources on how to add them. Hope this helps -- Ab207 (talk) 12:19, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

But do we really need reputed newspaper/magazine articles backing the information if it is theft of creativity. In this particular case, the information being mentioned is not a mere allegation, but a repeated and much talked about action done by a film maker. Do I need confirmation of some reputation to know that two creative pieces are the same, when this has been widely publicized already.

I will not be making that change if it's not allowed, but I'm failing to understand the logic that we need backing of an article to know some creative piece has been copied from another. Hope you understand. 43.228.92.58 (talk) 12:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

I understand what you are trying to say but the policy requires us to add references so that other editors or readers can WP:VERIFY what written is correct. For example, if you can find any article which lists out the scenes he copied, then we can write so and so author said that Trivikram copied all these things but it cannot be added without a reference. If it doesn't have a source, then it doesn't belong in Wikipedia -- Ab207 (talk) 12:33, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I think if you keep allowing articles with no source, Wikipedia looses its credibility. Thanks for your patient explanation though. 43.228.92.58 (talk) 12:38, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

That's correct. Have a nice day -- Ab207 (talk) 12:40, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Malayalam Movie Bheeshmaparvam

Hi, In the article Highest Grossing Indian Movies many errors are there. Many movies didn't add any reliable sources. For some movies they use Filmbeat, Article that says that the collection from producer side are added in the list.

Please add Bheeshma Parvam in the list as it collected 82crs Worldwide. Attaching the link of source. https://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/box-office/box-office-mammootty-starrer-bheeshma-parvam-tops-80-crores-ww-emerges-fourth-biggest-mollywood-movie . Its article by Pinkvilla which is reliable source according to wikipedia. I said it in the talk page of the article but no response from any admins. Please make the needful changes.Paavamjinn (talk) 14:47, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Paavamjinn, List of highest-grossing Indian films is always in a state of mess. Takes a lot of effort to clean it up. But I will update Bheeshmaparvam figure. -- Ab207 (talk) 15:01, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Ab207 Ok. Also please try to change the errors. These changes are made in current period. When I checked it before 1 week the article was correct. Someone is trying to make the article error. Paavamjinn (talk) 15:04, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Ab207 Its 82cr not 80cr. Please do the needful chamgesPaavamjinn (talk) 16:31, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Filmography tables

Can you flip Brahmanandam and Kani Krusti's filmography tables (current format is new to old, oldest to newest is needed)? Also Salim Kumar's filmography is in a half-table, half non-table format. DareshMohan (talk) 23:28, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

DareshMohan, too difficult to do it manually. Not sure if that can be automated though. -- Ab207 (talk) 05:33, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I can do that — DaxServer (t · m · c) 07:47, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

DaxServer – Speed 1 THz, Memory 1 Zb -- Ab207 (talk) 08:04, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

My new username: DaxChitti 😎 — DaxServer (t · m · c) 08:11, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

There was a server error and all the work is lost and the only result I have is a pain in the hand clicking mouse... sigh... — DaxServer (t · m · c) 08:33, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Ouch..that hurts -- Ab207 (talk) 08:52, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I've put a version at User:DaxServer/sandbox, if you two are able to check for any errors, I'd put it to the article. Also, not sure about Wall Poster movie. cc @DareshMohan — DaxServer (t · m · c) 15:57, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

DaxServer How about splitting the table between Telugu and other languages? Sorting is pretty pointless when nearly 95% entries are the same. -- Ab207 (talk) 16:58, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

How about splitting by years like this: List of elected British politicians who have changed party affiliation I'm not sure how the sorting works here — DaxServer (t · m · c) 18:15, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@DaxServer: Doesn't seem to be a good idea, since the list is in chronological order anyway. In the above example, it is split by term, not years. -- Ab207 (talk) 19:11, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Since almost all films are Telugu, best to remove the non-Telugu films and put it in a separate table like Ab207 said. The films seem to be reverse/non chornological order. Take the year 2019 for example NTR: Kathanayakudu released first, but is listed last. Wall Poster may not have released yet. Should we include Namaste Nestama, he reshot for it and it doesn't seem to be dubbed (double check CBFC). What about Vaanam, director Krish reused Brahmanandam's portion from Vedam? DareshMohan (talk) 20:23, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@DareshMohan Should I just put all the films in reverse order, like the 2019 example you gave? — DaxServer (t · m · c) 08:23, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes. DareshMohan (talk) 08:25, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

I've copied the content from my sandbox for now. I'll incorporate the changes when I get some time, but I assume it is going to be another struggling task given the massive ~1000 row table 🙈 Feel free to remove the under construction tag if you guys feel it's not really necesary — DaxServer (t · m · c) 09:59, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

RRR

HI, it is regarding this edit. I've reverted them before since the BH source says the trimmed version is 181.53 mins. Is it contentious ? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:23, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk, not contentious. They seem to be changing it based on censor runtime of 187 minutes but that's the total length reviewed by CBFC but the actual runtime can differ from that as makers are free to reduce length (but not add) using the same certificate. -- Ab207 (talk) 19:42, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:44, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Unreleased films.

Nice cleanup work. Consider looking at

Moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force/Future films

 – Moved list to ICTF sub page for centralzied maintainance. Ab207 (talk) 18:04, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

DareshMohan (talk) 10:09, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

DareshMohan, thanks for bringing them up, I'll nominate them one by one. -- Ab207 (talk) 13:42, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Also, consider

Moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force/Future films

 – Moved list to ICTF sub page for centralzied maintainance. Ab207 (talk) 18:04, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Maybe you can delete/drafitify/redirect until release. DareshMohan (talk) 02:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

DareshMohan, whoa, they are a lot. I linked them for easy access. Some of them have adequate content under production section which makes it a difficult case for deletion. I'll start with the easy ones first. -- Ab207 (talk) 05:34, 6 March 2022 (UTC) Edit: Added bullet points to entries 09:48, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Kailash29792. We are cleaning up pre-maturely created film articles which are long shelved/stuck in production hell. We could use your hand in deciding the fate of some of these: Redirect, PROD or AfD. -- Ab207 (talk) 10:05, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Do whatever you feel is right. If unreleased films shouldn't have articles, why is there Category:Unreleased films? What would happen to the not-even half completed Marudhanayagam if even completed films shouldn't have articles? Dhruva Natchathiram, Naragasooran and Server Sundaram are interesting cases. Kailash29792 (talk) 10:17, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Kailash29792, Let me clarify that I never argued that unreleased films should not have articles. However, WP:NFF says "films produced in the past which were either not completed or not distributed should not have their own articles, unless their failure was notable per the guidelines." The article of Dhruva Natchathiram or even Indian 2 for example, note why the film has been delayed and occasionally receive coverage on their status. Sadly, that's not the case with many mid-to-low tier films. When such films are halted– the media, the actors and even makers simply move on without any mention. But their Wikipedia article forever remain as a stub without meeting the relevant guidelines, unless someone acts upon them. -- Ab207 (talk) 10:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

You got the words I thought of, but unable to type on a mobile. These "mid-to-low tier" films may be deleted, while higher profile films like the ones I mentioned should stay, mentioning what keeps them from being completed/released with sources. Kailash29792 (talk) 10:35, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Kailash29792, got it. While I try my best to fairly judge the notability of these unreleased films, I felt your input would be helpful regarding them. I'm redirecting/merging the ones with notable director while sending the others to PROD or AfD. -- Ab207 (talk) 10:46, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Ab207 I think the rest are probably best sent to AfD. DareshMohan (talk) 23:55, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

DareshMohan, yep. Many of the remaining ones are in may be category but I think we weeded out the non-notable ones. -- Ab207 (talk) 07:04, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

It seems Malayalam, Kannada, and Telugu (only one page) films might have the same issue. Listing here. (sorry for the long list) DareshMohan (talk) 07:34, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

DareshMohan Yeah, that's alright. Better to have a comprehensive list. Personally, I think some leeway can be given for those films which have a scheduled release date, or the ones which have completed filming recently (though NFF does not make any distinction as such). -- Ab207 (talk) 07:46, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

How about moving this list to ICTF and managing, tracking from there? That'd give better visibility for others as well? — DaxServer (t · m · c) 13:24, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

DaxServer, good suggestion. Better if ICTF maintains a quality control of unreleased films. -- Ab207 (talk) 17:31, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@DaxServer and DareshMohan: Shall we move this list to a sub page say Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force/Unreleased films, and notify the ICTF talk page? I think we can also add it as section in Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force/to do -- Ab207 (talk) 08:11, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Yupp sounds good. Probably we will expand the list to incorporate all upcoming ones from ICTF scope :) — DaxServer (mobile) (t · m · c) 08:24, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Done, moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force/Future films; @DaxServer and DareshMohan: Please note. -- Ab207 (talk) 18:04, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Satyadev Kancharana

Is this guy credited as Satya Dev? Can his page be renamed Satya Dev (actor)? Also can you add Zamin Ryot review to Draft:Rajababu (2006 film). DareshMohan (talk) 00:02, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

DareshMohan, he's credited as Satya Dev but referred with full name in many English-lang sources, so I don't feel strongly about either one.

Added review to the draft but it already meets WP:NFILM, imo. I recommend to take this up with reviewer, or better apply for auto-patrolled since you meet the requirements -- Ab207 (talk) 06:27, 31 March 2022 (UTC)