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Tramway

Et bonjour, pour saint-étienne faudra sans doute demander à un admin de renommer la page avec un é et un - à la place du e, vu que c'est l'ortographe officielle. qu'en penses-tu? Saebhiar 16:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

In English? Official spelling is debatable. Familly comes from there and everyone spells it Saint Etienne with no dash or accent, wikipedia is the first place I4ve seen it that way. Regardless of that, a certain number likes to put accents. If you want to move an article, don't copy paste as it means the page history is lost, make an official request; which I've done. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 16:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, I have to say I'm not a big fan of putting accents on capital letters either but what can you do? That's the way they do it here.

Also, we might have a problem with the titles of the page, metro pages are called "Toulouse Metro" and tram pages are called "Tramway de Toulouse", this inconcistency might be a problem at some point. One of them will have to be renamed. Thirdly, the bus guidé de Caen is officially called a Tramway by the municipality, either we give the page the official french name (Tramway de Caen) or we give it an English name (Caen Guided Bus or whatever...) can't just make up a title in French if it's not the official one... ;-) Saebhiar 16:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

There's a problem with trolleybuses. French municipalities sell them as a tramway even though they're a cheap alternative bus system. There is no consistency issues as all but a few tram articles are called Tramway de, the whole category being populated as such. There was a recent change moving Paris Metro to Paris Métro and creating a language translation blackhole. I'm happy with all guided trolly bus articles being renamed Bus Guidé de X or X guided trolleybus. Tramway de Caen is indeed an entriely different affair and the trolleybus and Guided bus articles do point out that there is a thick white line between a full tramway and a bus, which Caen's is. There has to be a line between what the article's subject is and official naming. I'm not going to move P&O to Random ferry company because someone somewhere said it was. bus guidé de Caen has to be kept named as such because there is little alternative at the moment. Feel free for your consistency's sake to rename all the french underground articles to Métro de X. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 17:28, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Fire Service Template

Captain scarlet, can you clarify the problem with the WP:FS template category was? I know the editors of the project used it as a tool to keep articles within the project in check and to see what we already had tagged. Your comments are appreciated. Thanks and Happy Holidays, Daysleeper47 19:54, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Articles are within the scope of a wikiProject they do not belong to it. The template was rephrase and the category removed in line with Project templates. Project templates are present to inform readers that someone is interested in the field of subject. Furthermore, it is unappropriate for a Project to claim ownership when the members of the projects have never edited articles that have been tagged by it. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 19:57, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Is there any way round this? I had several AWB scripts that used the category to help maintain what items should or should not be in the project, and now they will not work. --ArmadilloFromHellGateBridge 15:49, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

The whole point is to uncategorise the articles form the Project. Articles are sorted by topic, not ownership. You can categorise the template into maintenance templates categories and the likes, but not categorise articles within. Fire service related categories exist to that purpose. Example:

Fire service topic article > Category:town, Category:fire stations in region, category:listed buildings in region etc

The way around it is that you need to create a subject related category, not a project one, and maintain category redundancy by not creating duplicates. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 17:28, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I must disagree with this. these categories are, for example, a central part of Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Work via Wikiprojects (although the proof af that isn't on that page, but this one. What you are suggesting, if followed to it's logical conclusion, is the end to the way the Version 1.0 Editorial Team works as we know it! Blood red sandman 23:18, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

IMO it's no different than similar Wiki Project templates e.g. Law enforcement Talk pages are in Category:B-Class Law enforcement articles and biographies are in Category:Biography articles of living people --ArmadilloFromHellGateBridge 00:28, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I wanted to let you know that I performed a minor re-word of the template from "is part of" to "is within the scope of". I hope this addresses your concerns about the template 'claiming ownership' to articles, but if you still have concerns please do comment again on the project talk page. The category, however, must remain for previously outlined reasons. Blood red sandman 23:43, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm still concerned about the category but at least some change has ben accepted and maintained. Cheers, Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 09:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Dore railway station

Season's greetings to you! Do you see the photo that is in the imfobox at Dore railway station? For some reason it doesn't appear when I view the page. I have tried everything that I can to fix it, but it just doesn't show. —JeremyA 01:12, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to you too Jez. I've done the same and was going to wait the new year to bother you with that. I don't get it why the image won't show up. It shows up in its original size but won't accept being resized, I had fun (not) with the Show preview button. I might upload another pic if its going to be like that. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 10:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I suspected that there may be a Wikipedia bug related to the '&' in the file name. I re-uploaded it as Image:DoreStation.jpg and it works OK. If you want to re-upload with a file name of your choice please do, and I will delete this one. Otherwise, you can edit the summary as you like. —JeremyA 16:24, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

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Good Morning and a Happy New Year from Tudor Minstrel. A note on the trains using Woodhouse station: The service, now Sats.Only from Sheffield to Clethorpes via Brigg has never been operated with "Cross Country" units or Clas 31 + stock trains. These were used on the Cleethorpes - Sheffield - Manchester Piccadilly service. Prior to them the C-C units appeared regularly on the Sunday Service from Sheffield to Manchester and these arrived in Sheffield on services originating in Hull, returning with the evening trains to Hull. The services via Brigg were home to a variety of 2-car units based at Darnall, in particular Derby and Craven's built types. Cheers. TM

Ecclesall Road

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Ecclesall Road, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. Fram 11:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

any chance the template would actually explain why Ecclesall Road is actually unworthy of being an article ? Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 11:54, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

As I've now have explained hoepfully better in the AfD discussion, there are no WP:V sources about the road. Fram 12:33, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

If that's the only problem, it'll be easily sorted. Cheers, Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 12:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Sheaf Square

Sheaf Square is part the gateway to Sheffield city centre, the gateway does not run "to the side" of the square. I would suggest you take a look at the Sheffield Station masterplan for more info. Admittedly, Howard Street, Millenium Sq. etc form a "gold route" into the centre, but Sheaf Sq. is included in the gateway itself. Your changes seem to imply that the gateway passes around the square. L.J.Skinner_WOT?|^CONTRIBS 14:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

You are mistaken, Sheaf Square is a square, a convergence of streets. The Gateway is to the side of Sheaf Square and not part of it. the Gateway is between the station and Sheaf Square but part of neither. You've taken the blurry night picture, you should know. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 15:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Did you even look at the link? First paragraph - "A key component of Sheffield's regeneration is the £50+ million station Masterplan drawn up by the city council, the South Yorkshire Passenger Transport Executive, Midland Mainline, Network Rail, the Strategic Rail Authority and Sheffield One to develop Sheffield Station into a high quality gateway to the city." So, Sheffield Station IS part of the gateway.

Now look at the second paragraph - "The proposed improvements include a radical transformation of the area in front of the station with the creation of a high quality square". So, it's talking about the square. And what is the heading of this page? why, Sheffield Staton Gateway of course! So you see, Sheaf Square is being discussed as part of the gateway, and so therfore IS part of the gateway! L.J.Skinner_WOT?|^CONTRIBS 22:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe advertisement as much as oyu do. Council can call a cat a dog, it'll still be a cat. Sheaf Square is a thoroughfare. Furthmore, you can't quote using qualitative words such as high quality gateway which is a PoV. You are drawing your own conclusion using your own research, which is original work... I don't see it through the eyes of advertismeent or branding; Sheaf Square is Sheaf Square, nothing more. This isn't a dissertation where original work is edited in. Verifiable sources which do not fabricate their content should be used. Create a Gateway to Sheffield for the 21st century if you wish. Most buildings and places surrounding Sheaf Square do. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 02:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Try this then. The quote (as I'm sure you'll not be fucked to actually go and look at it for yourself) is

"Howard Street and Sheaf Square

Sheaf Square will be redesigned as the principal gateway to the city centre and Howard Street as the pedestrian spine linking the station to the city centre."

Well looky here, Sheaf Square is the gateway Now, weren't you just saying that? Oh not wait, I was. Please, I beg of you, apply the following 3-step plan:

1. locate hand
2. insert hand up own arse
3. remove head from said arse

Thank you. L.J.Skinner_WOT?|^CONTRIBS 01:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I am asking you to remain civil, we're neither at the pub nor uni where the language you have used above might be acceptable to some, it is not here. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 10:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm being civil. Please, check my links and note that everywhere you can possibly look, Sheaf Square is noted as being part of the gateway. L.J.Skinner_WOT?|^CONTRIBS 20:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

No you're not, asking me to remove head from said arse is not civil. I must also remind you to remain on topic in articles. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 11:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Well if you say so. May I remind you that Sheaf Square is part of the gateway, and also to bother to check my sources as you don't seem to have done. L.J.Skinner_WOT?|^CONTRIBS 16:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Diagrams in Sheffield Rail rationalisation

You seem not to like my diagrams for some reason having first replaced them with your own, then removed them again when I added them back in addition to your diagrams!

I think there's a place for both your maps and my diagrams in that article because they convey different information. Yours show how the city of Sheffield's rail facilities were reduced over the course of 75 years. Mine show how the once relatively extensive local passenger network was cut over 50 years (some of which wasn't a part of the rationalisation plan I'll grant you), and how that affected communities outside as well as within the city limits. Hence I moved yours to the top and added mine back against the passenger section.

I haven't added them back again this time as I don't want to get into an edit war.BaseTurnComplete 20:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't take their withdrawal by me personally. Maps, geographically accurate maps, are superior than diagrams. Your diagrams are well realised but The cOmmons already hold maps of the same information which is why i replaced your diagrams by maps. Furthermore, as well as being geographically accurate, the maps show more than just passenger service but freight, depots and yards as well as passenger information contained on your diagrams. My edits had nothing personal, I just based my edits on content. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 02:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, showing the diagrams you say contain good information (which they do btw) are less complete and not geographically accurate. Articles on wikipedia are not galleries and ther eis no place for duplicate information. Your digrams shouldn't just be shown for the sake of being shown. Finally, the Wikipedia Commons, exist to hold freely redistribuable media, remember to use it so that other Wikipedæ can use it also. It is also a large repository where many Sheffield oriented editors look for content, such as the geographically accurate maps of Rialways in Sheffield (of a total of four in existence). Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 02:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't taken personally at all I can assure you. I will take you recommendation re Commons (maybe my maps should go in there). However for the reasons given I still think that there is sufficient distinct information in them that both can be shown in that article, even if there is some overlap, they are by no means one and the same and are presented in a different manner. However I'm really not that bothered about it to change the article again, you apparently are more bothered by them than me about this.BaseTurnComplete 09:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me that both sets of maps have their advantages for this article. My focus with the maps that I drew was geographical/historical accuracy—I still think that this was a valid goal, but it did limit the size of the region that I could cover and still have functional maps. By making more schematic maps BTC has been able to cover a larger region, which results in a wider context, although with the sacrifice of some detail. I think that either set of maps would be good for illustrating this article, but I think that there is sufficient overlap between them that having both sets in the article would be overkill. I would be happy to send my AI files to anyone who wants to work on merging the best features of mine and BTC's maps. —JeremyA 00:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Would seem to be a sensible resolution, however the addition of geographical accuracy might make maps of a large area harder to read as you suggest. I'm happy to work on them if you want to get in touch personally (not sure how to do that in a sensible way on Wikipedia!)BaseTurnComplete 13:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject France

Hello! We are a group of editors working to improve the quality of France related articles. You look like someone who might be interested in joining us in the France WikiProject and so I thought I'd drop you a line and invite you! We'd love to have you in our project :-) STTW (talk) 15:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Sheffield Midland station

Thought it would interest you. This is currently under WP:RM to Sheffield railway station. See the talk page and move by clicking here. Simply south 12:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the nudge. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 10:00, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Anglicisation

Hello, Captain. I'd like to ask you for your help in something - a couple of Wikipedians have been singlehandedly "Anglicising" articles in a very sloppy way - simply changing French région to "region" for example - without modifying the article in the least to provide the context/explanation needed for the changed term - "Centre region" is "the area around Centre" to the average English reader. Already these two have moved/"Anglicised" literally thousands of articles in this way without even having discussed the matter at all with any other article contributor: one refuses even to stop while the very WP:RFC about it is taking place at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_France. Do "lend a word" about this if you can. Thanks. THEPROMENADER 19:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Cap'n. Never mind the bloke poking at you - he's just in it for the fun it seems. THEPROMENADER 20:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Sheffield Outer Ring Road

Hey Captain. Loving your diagrams of Sheffield's inner and outer ring roads. I've edited your IRR slightly, but was wondering if you can edit the Outer Ring Road to include the whole of the A6102 from the A6178 Attercliffe Road to the A61 Penistone Road as I'm not so good on paintshop. I have described this in the article as part of the ORR. In case you need to know, it's this section, passing the Northern General. L.J.Skinner_WOT?|^CONTRIBS 15:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey Captain, would you consider extending the Image Sheffield outer ring-road.png as per above? L.J.Skinner^{wot|I did} 03:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration#Anglicisation of French administrative terms

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Pub

pub? --Davidwil 18:15, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Meadowhall Picture

Hello, why have you reverted by edit of changing the photo of the Meadowhall Oasis. My picture has a clear image of the whole arena, and yours is just a picture of the ceiling!

Thanks, Kiano 08:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Your edit appeared to be a token edit to promote your newly uploaded image to Wikipedia. If you have any media to upload I suggest you upload it to Wikipedia Commons if the license you attribute to your content is appropriate and categorise it along with the rest of the thousand of pictures already present on the Commons. I undid your edit as we are at a point where there are little new images needed and all new images seem to be duplicate of ones already used. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 09:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

But my picture is a lot clearer than yours! Kiano 14:33, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for bringing this back up again, but I too would be interested as to why you changed this back. I fail to understand your explanation in reply to Kiano's comments and hope you can explain this for me. The photo uploaded by Kiano was much better than yours in that it better portrayed the subject. I note that following this you have replaced your original with a better version. My impression of this is that despite you suggesting Kiano's addition of the photo was to promote his work, the intention was to keep the photograph as one you have taken. It seems there has been some kind of misunderstanding and so I hope you can clear this up for me. Thanks. Adambro 18:35, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I have nothing to clear up. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 18:46, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Whilst I appreciate you may be clear as to your reasoning, I am not and would like you to explain it to me instead of ignoring my questions, as per WP:EQ. Adambro 18:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Ignoring the token insertion of WP pages, I do not have to answer. This is as far as I know my talkpage and I can reply or not to whoever posts messages here. Regardless of my conviction not to answer you and continue filling a table I'm working on and trying to make you understand that no answer will come your way, I will resume my work. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 18:58, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand you! What is your problem? Kiano 19:32, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

You tell me, you two are contacting me. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 19:35, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

It seems I may have confused Kiano, sorry if that is the case.

I understand that there is nothing requiring you to answer my questions but thought it would be polite and helpful if you did. I appreciate you are working on other articles now but suggest that answering the concerns of other editors would be helpful. Adambro 19:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

As you have stated that you don't intend to answer, and you have made a number of edits after my comment at 19:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC), I take this to mean that you will not be answering my questions regarding my concerns. If this is the case, I shall note this and not question you further on this issue, but I would ask that you ensure you write edit summaries which adequately explain your actions. If there isn't sufficient space, you should continue this on the article talk page. You should also be prepared to respond to questions from other editors with respect to edits you make. If I have any further concerns, I shan't hesitate to put these to you. Adambro 14:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the patronising talk, it is duly noted that you have my contributions in your watch list. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 15:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Nice External Links

Nice is an important holiday destination, it is the main economic activity of the region. Your decision to remove the external link I added which featured Detailed and Relevant information for people on holidays is incorrect. 10 million visitors every year need information relevant to them, not just to residents.

Most of the search traffic to Wikipedia that finds these Nice, and Riviera pages, are people researching holiday information.

The pages I am linked to are up-to-date, extremely well researched, relevant and extremely useful, and should be in Wikipedia.

Ignoring holiday information for a holiday destination is an error. Monacomike 11:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is nt a travel guide, use Wikitravel for holiday suggestions. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 12:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

stn art lrnk and code

Please stop removing the stn art lnk template from articles - consenses is clearly for it to be kept. Thank-you.– Tivedshambo (talk) 06:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid that won't be possible for the reasons I've stated and repeated. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 10:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Darnall, Dore, Chapeltown and Woodhouse railway stations

Compromise solution, to prevent an edit war. I'll accept Chapeltown and Darnall, as the stn art lnk template didn't conatin the map links to these. I've also left it out of Dore, but added code=DOR to the infobox. However, Woodhouse needs the template to link to the map, until such time as an alternative such as coords can be provided. In order to avoid duplicate information, I've temporarily commented out code=WDH in the infobox. This can then be replaced and the stn art lnk template removed. I hope you can accept this compromise.

Incidentally, I would hazard a guess that you live in that part of the world. This is fine for giving you extra knowledge for including in these articles, but please bear in mind the official policies about ownership of articles and consensus.– Tivedshambo (talk) 16:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Would it be fine to remove it if I added the coord template? I did so for Doncaster and Sheffield. I admit I didn't not add it for Woodhouse. Don't mistake a disagreement with ownership ;) I am not the sole contributor nor even creator of these articles. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 17:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Feel free, if you know the coordinates, or can calculate them. I don't like the co-ords template system myself, but I accept that that is only my opinion. Hopefully the system will be improved in due course.– Tivedshambo (talk) 17:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Best would be to include the coords in the station template to avoid two templates which duplicates information (hence the TfD in the first place). I'll get them in the article, strange it hasn't been done already. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 19:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Yorkshire Terrier ticket

Hi, regarding the photo of the ticket you have uploaded. In the description on the Yorkshire Terrier article, you put 2006, but looking at the date on the ticket it appears to be 2005. I've changed this along with a number of typos but I guess you'll be in a position to verify the date, as if it is 2005, the commons description will need correcting as well. Adambro 18:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

That's great, thanks. I was working on memory, didn't think or reading the bugger; February 2005 too... slightly off. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 19:43, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

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Garforth railway station

Regarding your edit to Garforth railway station, I note you are now citing Wikipedia is not a travelguide from WP:NOT. I would suggest that whilst the times of trains would be inappropriate, including the frequencies to give an overall feel of the status of the station is okay. You also say in your edit summary that "Wikipedia is not a travelguide and you know it", the suggestion of which being that my edit was made in bad faith. I can assure you that is not the case, please assume good faith.

If you feel that the frequency of trains is not appropriate maybe you should discuss this on WikiProject UK Railways as such info is widely included.

You also commented that my edit summary of my edit to Woodhouse railway station was "off topic". I think it was a perfectly reasonable observation that using a template would make typos less likely and easier to deal with. Adambro 16:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I do not wish to argue nor will I participate at that project discussion, frequencies, timetable are not suitable.

I do not appreciate constant baggering not WP pages and consider those to be a patronising tone.

You edit summary on Woodhouse station was clearly a wink to the TfD request i made last week and is off topic since the reason for you edit had nothing to do with putting a link towards either Wikipedia or rail timetable. If it's a template you want, then maybe another pointless and poxy template should be created to please you and prevent you from yet again posting on my talk page. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 17:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I will not go and create "another pointless and poxy template" to satisfy your desire that I don't discuss your edits on your talk page. That comment could be seen as very insulting to those users who expressed their opinion that they valued the subject of the TfD, and also to the users who worked to create the template.

My edit summary on Woodhouse railway station wasn't meant to be subtle. It seems perfectly relevant to suggest that using the template would have prevented the typo in the first place.

I would continue to encourage you to discuss changes which you are making them instead of refusing to do so.

Apologies if you feel my tone is patronising, my intention when I include links to Wikipedia policies and guidelines is to aid the discussion.

Whilst you seem somewhat hesitant to partake in discussion, maybe discussing your concerns with regards to the template and possible changes to that and/or the station infobox, would have been a better approach than simply proposing it be deleted. Adambro 17:57, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

There is no approach towards stn art lrnk and code other than seeing it deleted forever. I have expressed my feelings accuratly, I was ignored and all but a few responses were out of context. I will not continue the discussion concerning its deletion as people such as the contributors do not wish to see things rationalised. I will not discuss the matter further as I see it being futile and pointless. I will however endevour at seeing it disapear from any article I see it being in contradiction with WP. This is the end, I have said what I'm doing, why I am doing it. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 20:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

You can if you're bored, have a look at this. I'm sure you can imagine a turn of vocabulary to explain why train fares aren't appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Captain scarlet (talk • contribs) 20:57, 4 March 2007

I would agree that some of the replies to the TfD may have misunderstood the proposal but I think to say that this was the majority is not accurate. You cannot simply refuse to discuss this and dismiss the views of other editors. The consensus clearly supports the template, going against this could be seen as unconstructive. If you have an issue with the template you should discuss how it can be improved.

I shall look into Nottingham railway station when I have time.

I see you have added a link from your user page to my contributions, I suspect this is supposed to be some statement intended for me and I fail to see any reasoning behind it. Your recent edit summaries are also somewhat interesting. Adambro 21:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Damn it Adambro, I do not wish to discuss how the template could be improved as I see nothing else that could improve than delete it! It's not hard to understand I htink the template is a pure waste of space! I have explained clearly that what I view as not being appropriate for Wikipedia leaves nothing but duplicate content as a result, there is nothing worthy about it apart seeing it gone. gone !. Captain Scarlet.

Yes, it seems we have established that you don't wish to discuss the template. Perhaps lets look at the wider picture instead.

There are a few things that need discussing, I think we can both agree that fare information is not suitable for Wikipedia, it does seem however that service frequencies are common on railway station articles. As I've previously mentioned, I think this is justified as it serves to give an overall impression of the importance of the station. I certainly don't think we should be listing departure times, as I have seen on some articles, but details of a typical frequency might be appropriate. I can't see anything in the guidelines that is clear either way. I'm not completely sure about it myself, hence the suggestion that this is discussed on WikiProject UK Railways.

I'm sure you appreciate the importance of forming a consensus on this with other editors involved in such articles. I note you've done a fair amount of work involving WikiProject Sheffield which shows your understanding of the importance of collaboration.

Whilst this discussion is ongoing, could I ask that you don't keep making changes such as you did to Doncaster railway station, which seem to go against the consensus formed during the TfD. I shall repeat, the WP:NOT guidelines apply to the article content not to the external links, see WP:EL which says that links to "Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article" should be included. I'd suggest this permits links to train times. I'd also suggest that if you are going to add coor title dms, you do this in addition to the Multimap link as consensus of the TfD was that this is useful and not against guidelines.

I hope we are able to discuss this constructively, I'd suggest that continuing to ignore my suggestions in this respect is less than helpful and you should partake in a discussion on this. Adambro 09:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Coordinates of stations

Hello again. I defiantly think adding the coordinates to station article is a good idea. Have you considered integrating it into the station infobox like has been done on Infobox England place. That way, the coords could just be another parameter for the station infobox as opposed to a separate entity. It might also be easier to use Coor title d and work in decimal degrees. Just thinking that might make it a bit quicker to populate the field.

Infobox England place includes {{Coor title d|{{{Latitude}}}|N|{{{Longitude}}}|E|region:GB_type:city}} where Latitude and Longitude are set parameters. I guess type:landmark would be more suitable for stations as you have used. I'm not sure about the 'N' and 'E' in that code though but I think it could be worth looking into.

It's a bit of a shame there isn't an easy way to find the coordinates of the 2500+ stations in the UK. How have you looked up those that you've done? Adambro 08:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Think I might have thought of a solution to the 'E' thing using functions in the infobox. I'll copy it into one of my sandboxes and have a play then let you know how its going. Adambro 09:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, as promised, I've sorted out the east/west issue, see User talk:Adambro/Sandbox2 for an example. If the decimal coords are positive it will put E, if they are negative it will put W into the coords template. Adambro 09:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:X 4922 - Bernay 1986.jpg

Thank you for uploading Image:X 4922 - Bernay 1986.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Abu badali ^(talk) 19:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank for messaging me. Please take care to see Image:X 4922 - Bernay 1986.jpg where both source and license are provided, and this, since the document's upload. Thank you, Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 19:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

There's no license tag. Please, pick one at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags. Let me know if you need any help. --Abu badali ^(talk) 20:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Please take care to see Image:X 4922 - Bernay 1986.jpg where both source and license are provided, and this, since the document's upload. Honestly look, thank you, Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 19:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, Captain Scarlet, are you referring to the {{WP Trains fair use}} tag, that says in bold letters "Warning: This tag must be used in conjunction with another fair-use image tag'"? --Abu badali ^(talk) 21:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Honnestly, aren't you a big boy that can dump in the Fair use template in it? You're bothering me, for somehting you can do yourself? and no i didn't notice because there's no point, it says Fair Use and it is, if it's no appropriate add a fair use tag yourself and no need to message me. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 21:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

It's not only about "dumping a fair use template in it". I wouldn't be able to write a valid fair use rationale explaining how the use of this image on SNCF Class X 4900 is ok with each of the items on WP:FUC. This isn't something I can do by myself. --Abu badali ^(talk) 21:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear you can't copy paste. Since you've read {{WP Trains fair use}} you must know what you claim not to being able to do ;) Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 23:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Apologies if my observations are not welcome but might it have been easier if Captain scarlet would have simply added an appropriate tag once this had been brought to his attention. There seems to be little point in a continuing debate about this as I would suggest that adding copyright tags are best left to the original uploader as they will have the best idea as to how the image meets the fair use requirements. Adambro 23:21, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Just put in the god damn template you want there to be ! Adambro, should I create a new account for you to stop contacting me, i have politely expressed my feelings towards and i repeat, whatever your opinion, you are not welcome on my talkpage. Abu, you clearly know what template should be in there, put it in according to all the correct and appropriate information already provided without wasting my time with bureaucratic crap you can do yourself. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 00:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked for violating the three-revert rule at Wath-upon-Dearne. Please discuss controversial changes or use dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war in the future. The duration of the block is 24 hours. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 12:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

This has been done and nothing on the other party's side has been made to compromise. Revert was done to prevent the other parties to implement a non agreed scheme. It's not going to work, they'll just push it forward and engage in revert war. Check the history of all concerned articles, it's the three same doing it. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 12:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Generally, when several people disagree with you regarding a change, that's a good sign that what you wish to do may not have consensus support. However, if you would like a wider input, you may certainly post at the village pump or file a request for comment on an article once the block has expired. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 12:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I admited I made an accidental 3RR, yet you've blocked for 24 hours instead of the token 8 for users above me in the list. I have participated to the discussion and stated I did not agree with the other party. The other party members took it upon themselves to force me into breaking the 3RR rule as they do not wish to make any concessions towards users such as myself which are taken hostage by this forceful implementation of a template. I have warned (politely I think too) that I would not allow the further implementation until the other party made changes on their side. The problem is, and I'm not stupid; I was geared towards breaking 3RR, I am up against more than one user so I can already admit defeat, I was within a few minutes: reported for 3RR, reported for comment, my work submitted for deletion... Now if that's not targetting a user. May it be noted that I will report the other parties in 24 hours or ask colleagues to do that for me within these 24 hours. Also you have banned my entire IP range not taking into consideration this is a shared accomodation and other users such as my missus and landlord are no unable to contribute. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 12:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I have banned no IP range, the autoblock will affect only a single IP. If it's shared, I'm always sorry to see that happen, but the autoblock should expire with the regular one, and if for any reason it doesn't post an autoblock removal request and it'll be removed promptly. However, you were certainly not "forced" into breaking 3RR, one chooses to revert or not to. The reason for the longer block in your instance is that, from your block log, this is not the first time you've been blocked for disruptive behavior, and also because you specifically stated intent to violate the 3RR and edit war. Again, please note that sometimes, a change one wants just does not meet consensus. If you believe that's wrong, you certainly may wish to ask for wider community input, but sometimes the community disagrees, no matter how right a person thinks they are. That's happened to me, and believe me, I do know how frustrating it is, but we do have conduct rules for a reason. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 13:04, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd love to do the autoblock but the confirmation email is taking ages (40 minutes and still waiting). Since I am blocked, may you post a message on MRCS' talk page and tell hm that his TfD on {{Infobox Sheffield place}} was not done according to conventions where he ommited to post on anyone's talk page that the template was up for deletion. The author, Joshurtree (talk · contribs), should be warned. I will be monitoring the deletion process and if it is not conducted properly, action will be taken. MRCS is doing all of this below the belt and he will not succeed, his contribution list in under surveillance. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 13:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Users Angel1479 (talk · contribs) and Chilisauce (talk · contribs) will be demanding unblocking. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 13:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

They're welcome to do so. You may also use the {{unblock}} template with your reasoning on this page, and another administrator will review the block. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 13:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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That is not relevant to a block on your user account. — Yamla 15:43, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

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this shared IP range is home of several wikipedians who are also blocked as a reult of the IP block; the block is applied to my IP, not my username it has been checked by the other two. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 15:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Civility issues

Please be civil in your discourse on talk pages: [1][2][3][4][5][6]Patstuart^talk·edits 14:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Your image problems

Hi. I'm TechnoFaye and I'm writing this because you had perfectly good images you uploaded marked for deletion by Abu Bidali. You should know that he does this because he thinks it's funny; he even says so on his user page. More then 20 other editors just like us are parties to several formal complaints to Wikipedia in an effort to have him banned permanently for doing just what he did to you. Others have described him on the record as a "hoodlum" and a "vandal". My testimony was that "Bidali would be just as happy breaking antennas off cars at night". After he is gone, we can repair the damage he has done to WP. If you haven't already, please consider adding your name to the lists at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Abu_badali#Users_Who_Endorse_This_Summary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Abu_badali#Users_who_endorse_this_summary:_2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Abu_badali#Users_who_endorse_this_summary:_4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Abu_badali#Other_users_who_endorse_this_summary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Abu_badali#Users_who_endorse_this_summary

Autoroute

Joeldl has expressed interest in resuming mediation of the autoroute dispute, of which you are a party. If you would like to resume discussion, it will be continued on the Autoroute talk page. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 20:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Manchester-Sheffield-Wath electrification diagram

Nice diagram! Maybe Darnall station should be removed because it wasn't served by electric trains? BaseTurnComplete 18:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I included Darnall because it was on the electric line. It is true that electric passenger trains stopped at Vicky right? and so only electric freight proceeded to Rotherwood. I'd like to leave Darnall there simply because it's on the line. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 19:13, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the electric passenger service ended at Victoria. Thinking about it, Neepsend station also closed pre-electrification. The reason why I mention these is consistency - the electrification ran through other passenger stations without them being served by electric passenger trains (Wombwell Central on the Wath branch springs to mind)BaseTurnComplete 21:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC).

I see what you're saying and you're right. What about if I put the stations that were not served by electric trains in grey? Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 09:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Also there was a branch to Dewsnap sidings at the Manchester end of the system; I can't remember exactly where it was over there though. It ran a mile or so north of the main line to the sidings.BaseTurnComplete 10:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Who do you find it now? Commons:Image:Woodhead electric railway.png Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 13:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Good!BaseTurnComplete 22:27, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Deprecated tag

About this edition, you may have not noticed that the image tag you used says in bold letter at the bottom: "This tag should not be used". Could you please consider replacing that by a valid image licensing tag? Also, don't forget to add a fair use rationale explaining why this image is ok to be used in the article it's used in. Let me know if I can be of any help. Best regards, --Abu badali ^(talk) 20:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Closed stations

Isn't the convention for closed stations and open alike to be "railway station" on National Rail, unless they are interchange, generally? Simply south 19:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

No it isn't, why? Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 23:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Most closed railway stations do have "railway station" and i was just surprised about the Sheffield ones. Simply south 00:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

It's just way it's been done. They're stations, had they been any other type of station; bus, coach, taxi would have been added, the default value was chosen. Do you have any remarks pertaining to the MML route?

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Wikimapia

Hello "Scarlet", sorry you considered the Wikimapia links I included on some of the Sheffield items as spam. Actually, I didn't do this unilaterally. I included a few back in early January, (as I had some doubts myself)and waited for comments to see what everyone thought. As I recall, there was only one question about this , which I duly answered, on one of the talk pages (I'll try to find which one and let you know later, ok?). Even so I waited a further two months before including any others to allow ample feedback time, before including any more.

discussion on "Proposal to integrate WikiMapia with Wikipedia"

Anyway. No problem. Cheers, Wikityke 10:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Ooops, I only just noticed your 13th. of Feb edit on the Sheffield external links ! (Revision as of 14:07, 13 February 2007)Wikityke 11:08, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Worse still, I missed this [7], sorry ! Wikityke 11:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

you know I have nothing against you Wikityke but I do against Wikimapia. I am all for having reference maps concerning articles but please use the generic geo linking instead of Wikimapia solely, as we discussed at the time it is preferable to offer a wide array of links, 1 for choice and 2 because Wikimapia is part of the Wikiorganisation and thus content present on it is questionable (I know I've added test bogus links ans they haven't been removed). Why link to Wikimapia when you can simply link to Google maps ;) Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 13:03, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, I take your point.

How about [8]  ?

cheers, Wikityke 15:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I've just seen. As far as i'm concerned: excellent. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 16:20, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:ANI discussion about one of your subpages...

Wikipedia:Administrators noticeboard/Incidents#Inappropriate_user_page. Nwwaew (Talk Page) (Contribs) (E-mail me) 13:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Per that discussion I'm going to suggest that you change the name of that page to something more appropriate, like "archived disputes".--Isotope23 20:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

What?

What happenned here? Everything was fine this morning. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 19:41, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Captain scarlet. An admin has archived the the case of suspected sock puppetry and reviewed Pigsonthewing and Ddstretch's suggestions that Chilisauce is a sock puppet. The admin has recently indef blocked Chilisauce and I think that is why your IP has been autoblocked. I'm not sure when the autoblock will expire. Adambro 21:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Duplicates

Can you substitute on your subpages all svg-images for railwaydiagrams, which are duplicates, with the other one ? That will be nice. You can find them here. The filenames start with "BSicon" and contain the substring "STB" somewhere behind. Thank you. 84.150.215.245 11:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

What do you want me to do? If there's a substitution to be done, you guys can use the documentation you didn't release as a guide to what already exists and put deletion requests on the duplicates. I haven't used any duplicates and only images shown in the dpcumentaiton, if what I did is wrong, get your doc updated. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 14:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Notification of requested mediation

I have requested mediation in relation to the link to my contributions on your user page. See Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/User:Captain_scarlet. Adambro 14:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

So long as you are enjoying yourself. Have fun! Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 15:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Infoboxes

Hi - I didn't actually add the infoboxes to Dore and Totley; I just thought that seeing as they were there I'd change them to the format proposed by JeremyA (although I don't think I actually quite managed that). Warofdreams talk 12:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

True, Jhamez added them, I just thought I'd talk to a friendly face about it. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 17:20, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Dore

Thamks for clearing that up and the suggestion. (Btw, what is HPV?) Simply south 13:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome, sorry for confusing you, HPV would be the acronym for Hope Valley Line. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 13:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, i'v added the compromise to Template:MML. Is it okay? Simply south 13:46, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Not quite what I had in mind, but i'll give it a go. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 13:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

See reply on the discussion page. Simply south 13:56, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

All good! Cheers, Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 14:00, 14 April 2007 (UTC)