Favorite Wikipedia quote:The argument for deletion that a Category already exists is simply not consistent with WP:CLN and should not be even considered. --Mike Cline (talk) 17:28, 14 September 2008 (UTC) [1]
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Is barely scraping by these days with more fly past edits than any coherent organisational structure at the noticeboard or any form of collab (although we dont tell anyone that) and one of the biggest issues is the english challenged indonesian editors who put a name up on the english project (rather than on the indonesian one where they could just as easily do) usually in lists so that in parts we have these marvellous untouched lists of unalphabetical names to make red links and then no activity there ever again (unchallenged tags are between 1 to 2 years in some cases) - well i am very slowly systematically going through the more obvious lists - removing all the red links to the talk page - so that eds know that if they add red lnks theyre gonna get removed - otherwise the project looks like a paradise of red links that never get worked on. SO I have your list to deal with which has red links everywhere - any thoughts? at least you speakk da english :( SatuSuro09:27, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
Yes. Thank you for contacting me with your concerns.
The red links in that list are part of a standard format for lists of this type - there is currently a list of this type under construction for every country of the world and they all have a common set of links (in addition to custom links). The links in the standard format were chosen because they are very typical for countries, and very highly likely to turn blue in the future - articles tend to expand and use those article names for the expansions. They were also chosen to maintain standardization between these lists - too many synonymous title types would make them confusing. Some of the topics using standard names are spread across Wikipedia somewhere, either under synonymous titles, or under a subheading in another article -- and therefore many of the red entries in the list can be bluelinked by creating redirects. So please, do not remove the redlinks. ;)
Also, there is a team of editors preparing these pages for a big competition called "Around the World" which will bring many editors to the set of country pages to which this list belongs. One of the main things participants will be doing is fixing redlinks via the "bluelinking" process.
Note that redlinks are an important feature of Wikipedia. They show where development is needed, and make it easy to create needed articles (it takes just a click to get started). And in the case of these country lists, editors are being assigned tasks to perform on all of the lists rather than being assigned a particular list to work on. For example, I'm currently filling in the "Location:" item for all of the countries. Others are working on the "Regions" sections on the entire set. And still more will jump in to help once "Around the World" gets underway. One of the main task types that will be assigned to participants will be "bluelinking".
Oh well - looks good - and glad you have such a positive outlook from where you sit at your computer - its a very different story from where I sit at mine as there are very different meanings to red links in the Indonesia project and despite your positive and obviously optimistic outlook I wont waste a breath waiting for a single one of them to be touched. I do hope the bluelinkers are not as geographically and culturally challenged as some I have met to date - cheers and as they say in so many movies from the heart of the planets optimists good luckSatuSuro 00:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)SatuSuro00:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
We need someone to do some simple edits to the set of country profiles we are developing.
Really easy stuff, like adding the population figure for each country (which you would get off of each country article, so no hunting is required). We also need editors who would like to work with the finding and placing of images (like pics of cities, other cool places, animals, presidents, people in a cultural context, etc. etc. etc.).
Things like that.
There is a team of editors working on the set, and we'd love to work with ya.
Here is an example of the type of pages we are building. We're developing one for every country of the world, and everyone on the team is working on all of them, each team member completing a specific task or item for all of the countries of the world -- this approach keeps thing interesting, and is a lot like traveling around the world.
If you are interested, drop me a note.
And as you progress in the project, we'll introduce you to some wiki-tools to help you go...
Cool. Do you use Firefox? If not, please download and install it, because there are key tools and Wikipedia scripts available for that browser that are not available to other browsers. Let me know when you've got it up and running. The Transhumanist18:15, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
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Hey Transhumanist,
It is good to be back after a long while of summer traveling. I look forward to jumping back into the fray here on Wikipedia, although I must confess that there is a deep reluctance to commit to any major undertakings here, as I have been a bit flaky regarding my on-wiki work this summer, as evidenced by my contribs. Between my full time job, community service, hobbies, vacations, family, and other commitments, I find that I have been spending almost no time here this summer. I am, of course, willing to help in any area that you may need assistance in. As it stands, however, any assistance I am asked to render may be deferred or at least delayed substantially. Hope your summer also is going along swimmingly --SharkfaceT/C19:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
I don't know what you mean by "the page is closed". Please explain further.
To make it so that the whole boxes are showing and not just the subtitles, remove the "class=Nav" (NavFrame, NavHead, NavContent) entries and the "display: none;" entries from the wikicode. Then everything will show up. If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask. The Transhumanist18:49, 4 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
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Hey Transhumanist,
I'm terribly sorry for being so inactive in the past 2 weeks. I am also sorry to tell you that I am going out of the country for another 2 weeks without any access to graphics software. I know this may be very frustrating to you. You might want to ask someone else with graphics capabilities to complete your request on atlas. I would sent you the layered file but atlas is >72MB and is over 22 layers. Not very user friendly unless you know exactly what layer is what. Also there is no way I'm going to be able to attach that on an email. Yahoo mail's max attachment is 10MB. I think whom ever it may be that finishes on atlas will find it just as hard to start from my latest draft as it would be to start from the layered file. When I get back, if you sill aren't successful, I promise to get it to you asap. Again I'm really sorry for being such a droll. I turned down another request recently you're not the only one. -- penubag (talk) 07:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
Looks like the prep work on the page set will take at least that long. Filling in just the location item took me 4 days, and it needs going over again for error checking and missing regions, which may take another 4 days. Who knows how long the regions and government branches sections will take, even with a few people working on them. And then the leads need to be culled for facts that belong in the list body (and those facts must of course be moved). There's lots of work left. So, no worries. No hurry.
I noticed you removed the link from the part of the cite that wasn't bracketing the URL. I wasn't worried about that; the problem was that you had also added a wikilink inside the brackets, breaking the external link (I had already fixed that part before notifying you). Everyking (talk) 02:43, 6 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
One of the projects on Wikipedia is the building of a topic outline of knowledge That's right, an outline of all of human knowledge, in the form of a hierarchy of topics. And of course, wherever possible, the topics are linkified. :)
A subproject of that currently underway is the development of the branch of the geographical portion of the outline dedicated to all the countries of the world. Each country has a page in the outline currently under development.
Around the World is an event that is currently in preparation as a joint collaboration between the Lists of basic topics WikiProject and the Geography WikiProject, which shall focus efforts upon developing the portion of the outline pertaining to countries. It's going to be a competition between editors using advanced wikitools (such as WP:AWB, Linky, etc.).
Rather than work on one country at a time, each participant shall work on a particular type of information, filling it in for all the countries of the world, and sort of taking a trip "Around the World" in the process.
It's just a fun way to work on these pages, which are in need of a large number of volunteers to complete them.
Twenty-four of the pages are near completion, and have been moved to the main namespace:
A team of editors is currently preparing the competition for participants, including the creation of awards to be presented, and getting the rest of the pages in the set ready enough to move into the main namespace.
And that's just to get the pages ready for the competition, which will focus on things like fixing redlinks (called "bluelinking"), adding population and area information, filling in the names of the head of government and the head of state for each country, adding a particular kind of map, particular theme of photos (into various sections), and many more tasks required of every page in the set.
One of the images for the three awards is ready. We are looking for experienced graphics artists to help on the other two.
Before we can move the rest of the pages into the main namespace, their leads need to be refined, and the temporary "placeholder" (incorrect) data in the regions and government branches sections need to be replaced with actual (correct) data.
As soon as our preparations are complete, the competition will begin!
I hope my explanation has been informative and inspirational, and I hope you plan to participate in the competition. ;) How many times "around the world" can you go?
We're also looking for coordinators to help run the event (and these editors are also the ones responsible for preparing for the event), if you feel up to it.
Hi there, I may not be the The Transhumanist, but as a co-coordinator I should be able to answer your question, a while back, The Transhumanist distributed a notice to a bunch of people who had expressed interest in the project describing what it is, if your interested in helping out with the project, then ask The Transhumanist and he should have no problem finding something for you to help out with :).
Thank you Transhumanist. Hving read what you wrote, I have to say that I don't have near enough experience to help; I am very very sorry. spider1224 18:12, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Ahh...what the heck, I can't hurt anything. Let me know when y'all start. PS is the CIA world Factbook considered a good source?spider1224 18:21, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
These profiles summarize essential information on each country. They are "topic outlines", but at the same time they are so much more, because Wikipedia is a hypertextual environment. Most of the topics presented are linkified, which turns these pages into a sort of site map to material about each country on Wikipedia.
The profiles share a standard format. So rather than tediously working on a single country to complete it, each participant works on all 200+ political entities, completing a single data item or detail across all of the pages. For this they use advanced tools like WP:AWB, Linky, etc. It goes fast, and since others are doing this at the same time, it makes "the World" (the set of country profiles) feel like a beehive, and the participants are its bees. :) The energy is contagious.
And since you are moving from country to country, the tasks make it feel like you are traveling all around the world, and you get to learn a little about every country as you do so. This approach also allows for greater efficiency, because by the time you've done 30 or so of a particular item, you've figured out how to finish it faster and more effectively (such as where to find the data or how to make adjustments), and this specialization speeds up development - but more importantly it reduces errors.
The tasks are varied, which adds even more variety to the project. Some tasks are look-ups-and-fill-ins, some are copy and paste, some are image hunts, some are maintenance adjustments, some are link fixing, some are blue-linking (creating an underlying redirect so a link turns blue), some are fact checking, etc.
Standing by to help are co-coordinators, who can lend a helping hand to participants, provide instruction and tips on how to use the tools, and help them find what they are looking for. Co-coordinators also use advanced tools to inspect the work of participants, and touch it up as needed, or if a task was done wrong throughout, point this out to the participant so he or she can make the necessary corrections.
Co-coordinators are working on the set of pages right now, to familiarize themselves with "the World" so they can help more effectively by the time the main event starts. But there's still lots of preparation left to be done, and we are looking for editors experienced in advanced wikitools who would like to become co-coordinators.
P.S. The Transhumanist, I apoligize for not being around for a while there, I was on a short vacation and I was very busy and as such I couldn't do much in the way of helping out with the outlines, if you still need any help I'd still be happy to help :). All the Best, --Mifter (talk) 16:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
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I request a recommendation for an admin to handle, and if necessary, follow up long-term on an IP incivility-pattern case, with anti-Semitic, nationalistic, and OS-abusive-cult features.
The admin needs to be the fair-but-firm type to correct this pattern in its early stages. It's also helpful but not absolutely necessary, if the admin is a techie, yet not a user of any un*x operating system.
The IP user appears to be an angry northern-European teenager with incidentally cultural-anti-Semitic family or friends.
The French/European method of dealing with reported cults is through cult-watching, which is close observation and prompt enforcement against minor lawbreaking. The concept is that groups with cultic tendencies aren't likely to commit serious crimes if they can't get away with minor ones (typically labor law violations). (Please reply here if desired)Milo19:30, 7 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
You really should take this to WP:ANI, where the community of admins will discuss it and decide what to do about it. This guy sounds like a real problem, so Wikipedia's whole team of admins should be made aware of him.
If in addition to WP:ANI you'd like to talk to specific admins about what can be done, I would recommend Spartaz (you'll have to email him), David Levy, and The Rambling Man. They'll have a pretty good idea of what can and should be done. But definitely post the problem to WP:ANI. And be prepared to answer lots of questions. The Transhumanist03:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
Your second request shouldn't be difficult either so long as the formatting for all the articles is identical. I should be able to get to this tomorrow, but if not then definitely over the weekend.--Dycedargж00:14, 15 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
Hi! I can help with this too... if the village pump notice is all that needs to be removed. I will be starting with S onwards. I'll I'm doing something wrong. Please leave a message ChiragPatnaik (talk) 17:41, 16 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
I'm thru with this. U mentioned there was ither stuf to be done. Do let me know. If it is complex. I will ask you for help to start of... Cheers ChiragPatnaik (talk) 18:00, 17 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
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It is simpler using Linky. But let me turn this into a learning opportunity for me to try and learn Regex and use that in conjunction with AWB to accomplish this. Please bear with the delay. Cheers ChiragPatnaik (talk) 04:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
It's consistent with the naming of the rest of the entries, and with the entries on the rest of the lists (of the countries that have navies). If we simplified this one, it would beg the question of why not simplify all the entries on the page, and on all the pages. But, if we removed the verbose entries from all the lists, from the subheadings and from the links (using pipes) and what not, then it could become difficult to tell which one of these lists you were looking at (especially if you were browsing through them, going from country to country) because they are all arranged in pretty much the same order. Having the country name plastered all over the page makes it immediately obvious which country's page you are looking at - it also helps reinforce learning/memory of the country's name, and these lists are intended as intros to their respective countries. The Transhumanist01:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
Eventually, we may use the format that's on List of basic Canada topics, that is, include the (exonymous) name for each branch of the country's armed forces. But for now, the standard link (Navy of x) is being used as a placeholder. A redirect is going to be made of each (for easy future article access and list-building), and when the redirects are done for the whole section, the links can be used to access the actual branches-of-the-armed-forces articles and grab their names for the improved format. The Transhumanist02:08, 19 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
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Wow, these lists are a lot more work than I thought! Anyway, I'm not sure how I missed those divisions of Palau. And about the municipalities, I got the impression that the Municipalities subsection is only for divisions designated as such. I didn't know that it applied to all towns and cities in general.
In answer to your question, we're getting very close. But there is still some work to be done. The government branches sections need to be corrected/completed - their contents were generated using a template, but the standard data used doesn't fit all countries (not all countries have a parliament, for example). Also, we still only have one of the awards completed, with two more about half done). The Transhumanist23:37, 16 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
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I don't understand why we need a link to the "list of basic XXX topics" at the start of every single country page, surely you could have just added the link to the respective disambiguation pages (as I just did for Iceland). --Closedmouth (talk) 04:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
They are key introductory articles on the subject, with the same (encompassing) scope as the main article, and therefore highly relevant. Disambiguation is for subjects that share the same name, while the List of basic Iceland topics covers the same subject -- it's not merely synonymous -- it isn't an "other use" of the term, it's the same use. And readers will find it very useful for studying Iceland. The Transhumanist04:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
Alright, then it should go in the See also section of the article. I don't really see what's so special about that particular list that would make it worthy of being mentioned in the hatnote. --Closedmouth (talk) 12:48, 19 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
I agree. Most country articles already have several methods of linking "related subjects/sub-articles" in the body text and elsewhere. Whether through the use of navboxes, or with the well established convention of using "main" and "see also" templates at the head of the relevant section. Frankly I think that this "list of X related topics" is not (as Closedmouth notes) "special" enough to warrant inclusion in this manner at the top of every country article. And, at the very least, it would have been appropriate to consider WP:CON before dumping this new "standard" header in multiple country articles. Guliolopez (talk) 14:10, 19 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
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Some countries don't have navies. what of those? redirect ot Military?
Also some countries will be protectorates and as such will not have Navies and will have the navies of the parent country associated with it. ChiragPatnaik (talk) 03:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
PI have finished the clear cases of A. I recommend that u see A (and the preceding list) on my Talk page, they pretty much enompass all the exceptions. ChiragPatnaik (talk) 03:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
Leave the ones that don't have navies red, and make a little note on your list next to it: "(None)". We can use that to track these later. When the country lists are moved to article space, the redirects can be created like these: Navy of the Isle of Man, Navy of Macau.
I'm Done with the ones that have naval articles or naval subsections to the the main military pages. I'll add the None bit later. You can see this here Cheers ChiragPatnaik (talk) 19:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
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A tag has been placed on Portal:Physical science, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:
Wrong redirect: cross-namespace redirects should generally be avoided
Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page and leave a note on [[Talk:Portal:Physical science|the article's talk page]] explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.
Cool. Next is the Air Force of x link. To change the list of Army links I set up for you to Air Force, load Firefox, then install the Wikipedia Editor (WikEd) to your monobook.js page. Then use WikEd's search replace feature on the list.
How did you generate the tale u left on my talk page? specifically the headers. I'm working ona Quick reference sheet on Census data for India and I need a quick way to do it... ChiragPatnaik (talk) 19:59, 25 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
oops I meant Table of armies and navies. and the headers. I'm sure, you are using automation. I want to know what.
Sort of. I started with a list of countries (they are all over Wikipedia), and added each country name a second time on each line. Each of the two names must start and end differently (I use punctuation outside the link brackets for this), so that you can specify the names independently in search/replaces. Then when I need a list of country links with two links on each line, I just use search/replaces - you can change the links to just about anything with the country names in them. Any of the lists created from these lists can be used in the same way. For example, the army list can be used to create a list of country links on any subject. Just use the search/replace feature in WP:WikEd (very powerful). "Army of x - " can be changed to "Theatre in x", etc. WikEd replaces Wikipedia's edit window (but only in Firefox), and has an on/off switch which makes it even more convenient.
There are many forms of automation available on Wikipedia. If the above method doesn't quite fit what you are doing, let me know what you want to do exactly, and I'll let you know if I know of a way to do it faster. I'm really into speed (velocity, not the drug). :)
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Hey Transhumanist,
Sorry it took so long to reply. As you have noticed, I have been highly inactive this summer. Unfortunately, I have been preoccupied by the reasons stated before (work, school, getting into college, etc.) and as such have been pretty incognito. I am not back but will make an effort to drop in here more often. If urgent contact is needed, send me an email. Thanks --SharkfaceT/C23:00, 26 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
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[5] - Y your vote here is appropriate, but I didn't understand your comment. It's best to present reasons and cite policies and guidelines (including presenting the shortcuts to those). -TT
[7] - N what's needed is evidence, not just a guess or opinion. What they needed was verification of notabilty. In such a case, you should go out onto the Web and see if you can find some. Be hands on, not just a commentator. (Look who's talking). :)
At the time I made a superficial google search and read the "Search Kindly" manifesto on their website thinking "this could be worth an article", but a re-inspection into News results makes me now feel that their endeavor is not really notable enough to merit an encyclopedia page. JaakobouChalk Talk14:37, 15 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
It's too bad we don't include based on significance, and have a method to gauge a topic's significance. :)
[8] - Y your assessment of the word Palestine was accurate and applicable. Nicely done.
[9] - Y a no-brainer. You restated the reason, which is good, because it makes your contribution more than a pile on "per so-and-so".
[10] - N the redirect to a page in the Wikipedia namespace was in article space, and that's a no-no. That turns it into a defacto encyclopedia article, and it's clearly a support page. There's an appropriate redirect at Wikipedia:Editing while drunk and I've added another at Wikipedia:Editing Wikipedia while drunk.
[11] - Y derogatory redirects have no place on Wikipedia. Note that if the term was treated as a topic somewhere in Wikipedia, a redirect could be used to take the reader to wherever the term is covered. See porch monkey for example.
[12]N you didn't state why you thought it should be deleted. You added another kind of out of place comment (wrong page for it to have any impact). By the way, a 2 week block is pretty harsh, as the user has no prior blocks. It's probably a throwaway account anyways, and if so, blocking would make no difference. Someone needs to keep an eye on that user's contribs to confirm the page is in fact a user page as opposed to an article posted to user space. If the editor never edits, guess which one it is? :)
I see. I figured new "troll/vandal" editors get blocked for a little while. A while back I saw another editor get blocked indef for something similar though a little different and talked the blocking admin to cut it down to one month since the eitor was a complete newbie who actually tried to contribute. JaakobouChalk Talk10:44, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
[13] - Y by the way, it is a category in the general context which you used it. But this being Wikipedia, many people may assume you meant Wikipedia:Category. "National list" may have worked better. As a side note, when participating in AfDs, keep an eye out for other problems. For example, the main link on the template (Universities in Canada) led to an article on a non-profit organization. That was strange, as it didn't really fit the link. I've fixed the redirect to lead to List of universities in Canada.
[14] - N the reason you gave wasn't substantiated - you didn't show that there was no reason, you simply claimed that there wasn't. It was just another way of saying "just because", which isn't saying anything. Instead, you should have given a substantive reason why it shouldn't be turned into a category.
[15] - N It doesn't appear that you read the article or searched for Wikipedia's coverage of Tomy Tutor. It does appear that the redirect leads to Wikipedia's main coverage of that topic. I've gone in and added an {{anchor}} for "Tomy Tutor" just before the material on that topic in Texas Instruments TI-99/4A, and have added a section specifier in the redirect (so it leads to the anchor). Anchors act like subheadings so that redirects can access them as such. Take a look, so you understand how to fine tune redirects in the future.
I see where I went wrong on this one, neglecting to find the Tony Tutor paragraph on the TI article. At the time I made a web search and found no indication that they are related "other than similar product theme", but if I had noticed that the TT is being dubbed a clone for the TI-99, then I would have made a different comment. Very nice way of handling the issue btw (I learned something new here), though I'm thinking it might be more elegant to remove the anchor and make the redirect to the "clones" mother-category. JaakobouChalk Talk14:58, 27 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
[16] - Y Something was amiss, and you definitely conveyed that. Posting email transcripts to a user page is very strange and is against Wikipedia policy (WP is not a blog). Familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's policy shortcuts, so that you can cite them as reasons in XfDs, etc. When someone beats you to a citing, it would be a nice touch to go into the policy or guideline and copy/paste the relevant quote to the XfD.
[17] - N We don't delete user pages just because the user is inactive. We keep user pages for prosperity's sake (historical interest), and also because hopefully someday the users will return. Some user pages are cited as examples of how to design a user page (See Wikipedia:User Page Design Center/User Page Hall of Fame). We delete user pages when the content is inappropriate. When you believe such a page should be deleted, you need to explain why the page is inappropriate. Read the relevant policies and guidelines before posting to the XfD. That is, research the issue before adding your two cents.
Understood. The page had improper content and I figured that adding the note that the user is also inactive would be beneficial to the discussion. In retrospect, I can see why this comment is besides the point. JaakobouChalk Talk03:00, 10 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
[18] - N Here it appears that you merely piled on. True, the content itself wasn't any reason to delete, but you need to look at the container too. The username itself (User:Davidhater) is dubious, and seems pretty offensive in nature. If the David who the person hates is on Wikipedia, or any David for that matter, it's like saying, "I hate you", which is a personal attack, and offensive by any standard (to Davids, that is). I think this username should be banned. See WP:USERNAMES.
[19] - Y The user was playing a game, not helping to build the encyclopedia. So you were correct, albeit somewhat vague. Next time, explain why you think it is "a waste of space".
[20] - Y True, if the show doesn't exist yet, and it's notability can't be verified, the result is mere promotion. Keep in mind that notability is the key issue here - a little research into whether or not the topic is notable could help the discussion.
[21] - N The blog post comment goes to wikification, not deletion. Keep in mind that the terms "encyclopedic" and "unencyclopedic" are too vague to be useful as reasons. Wikipedia is pushing the envelope and is redefining what those terms mean as we speak. Whether or not something is "Wikipedic" depends almost entirely on whether or not it meets or fails to meet Wikipedia's current policies or guidelines. And there are a lot of those. It doesn't help the discussion unless you specify which ones the article meets or fails to meet. "It's unencyclopedic" simply means you don't think it belongs (which is just another way to say "it should be deleted") - but we want to know why you think that.
[23] - N Unintelligible. I couldn't tell what you were talking about. And neither could one of the other participants.
I should have capped this one off with "hence, the redirect serves no purpose". Think that this one was a correct assessment even if the explanation was a bit vague. JaakobouChalk Talk14:17, 12 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
[24] - N You didn't explain why you thought it was pointless. Vague words like "pointless" just mean that you think it should be deleted without telling us anything else. You might as well put Delete, Delete. Also, you didn't suggest where the residual links should be redirected to.
[26] - Y It was a redundant category. A duplicate.
[27] - N You merely piled on and paraphrased what others said. Nobody mentioned why a factually accurate category with only 2 members is inappropriate, and you didn't seem the least bit curious about this - 'cuz you didn't ask them! And no guideline was cited, by anyone (including you), which leaves me scratching my head on this one.
[28] - Y You were right. The category was unnecessarily vague. "Concert" is more relevant than "tour", and is key to understanding what the hell is in the category.
[29] - Y But why did it make little sense? (Because those ethnicities are not synonyms for "heritage". "Scottish" has its own disambiguation page, for instance. So there shouldn't be a Scottish redirect to somewhere else).
[32] - Y Excellent explanation as to why the existing cat name was obsolete and shouldn't be used.
[33] - N The amount of current content is irrelevant. If a topic is notable, it deserves an article - even if the article is only one sentence long! Just slap a stub tag on it. That gives someone else the opportunity to come along and expand it without having to rewrite the initial sentence.
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[36] - N Why is there "no strong need to classify them on the category"? That's just another way of saying "we don't need it". That's about as specific as "merge" or "delete", which are votes. You need to give a rationale for your vote.
[38] - N The redirect for Kevin Gnapoor should lead to coverage of Kevin Gnapoor. "Kevin Gnapoor (Mean Girls)" shouldn't even be a redirect unless there are a significant number of links to it (there's one at Rajiv Surendra). The only coverage I could find (and that was just a mention) was in the article Rajiv Surendra which itself is in danger of being deleted unless someone provides references verifying his notability.
[39] - Y A google search shows "cottage chicken" in use, so there might be a topic there. Redirecting a topic to an unrelated subject is not appropriate. I wouldn't find it confusing though, just frustrating. :) And then I'd say: "Wikipedia sucks!"
[40] - Y There is no coverage of this guy anywhere, so a stub (assuming the guy is notable) would be much more appropriate than a redirect (which isn't appropriate at all).
[41] - N Redundancy of the redirect itself is irrelevant. It's whether or not it will ever likely be used that matters. Who is ever going to type that in looking for this subject? Nobody.
[42] - N Redirects should lead to coverage of the topic of the redirect. Redirecting to a related subject isn't appropriate if the topic itself isn't covered there - and if it is covered there, the redirect should include the name of the section with that coverage (place "#" after the pagename / before the section name). Redlinks have a purpose (click on it to create an article with that name). This seemed like a redirect intended to get rid of the redlink (some editors think they make articles look bad), rather than help the reader find the topic. Wikipedia needs that redlink, because it needs that article!
[44] - Y No coverage at destination. Redirects pertain to three things and three things only: "Coverage. Coverage. Coverage." :)
[45] - N Why? Initials are easier - they're a natural shortcut (and Wikipedia uses shortcuts all the time). And adding spaces after the periods is a pain in the ass. Out of the millions of people who read Wikipedia, someone is likely to use this redirect, especially if they have to access the article often (that's what makes shortcuts so useful). Rather than guess, use the traffic tool to check traffic on the page/search - e.g.: http://stats.grok.se/en/200801/E.J.H. (someone tried it in January; by the way, take a look at the other months). For a useful set of links, copy the navbar at the top of my user page.
[46] - N The redirect did not lead to coverage of the topic. In such a case, when no coverage exists and an article should, a redlink is most appropriate. You stated that the topic deserved its own article -- how long would it take you to write a stub for this one (including references that verify notability)?
[47] - N SmokeyJoe was right in the short term, but time told that this user wasn't interested in anything but self-promotion. Deleting it now would be appropriate, but back then, no. It was an instance of "wait and see, so as not to bite the newcomer". Unfortunately, the damage was already done (as far as biting was concerned) as soon as the MfD notice was slapped up on the page.
[48] - N I agree with SmokeyJoe, this deletion was a bit bitey. The snippets reflected the personality of the user, and were therefore useful in getting to know him/her and his/her interests. We should allow newbies time to explore the system. I hope we didn't scare this one away.
[49] - N It costs us nothing to leave it there. Inactive WikiProjects pertaining to viable topics shouldn't be deleted, to provide the opportunity for others to come along and revive the project. Saves them the trouble of recreating it from scratch. It's usually a lot easier to pick up where someone else left off. But, if the WikiProject was incomprehensible or frivolous, like say "Wikipedia:WikiProject Schrumplenorfs", then yes, delete.
[50] - Y And they say Wikipedia isn't censored. :)
[51] - N One day is not enough time to tell if the person has interest in the project. More time told that this person did not.
[52] - Y simple issues with simple solutions don't leave much room for argument or elaboration, and usually turn out as a vote (do it or not). This was an interesting one - those cats were slightly strange.
[80] - N You merely piled on and paraphrased what others said. Nobody mentioned why a factually accurate category with only 2 members is inappropriate, and you didn't seem the least bit curious about this - 'cuz you didn't ask them! And no guideline was cited, by anyone (including you), which leaves me scratching my head on this one.
Cite policies and guidelines whenever possible. Look them up for each deletion - that'll get you very familiar with them very fast, as you will be reading them in an applied context. SeeWP:CUTS.
A redlink of a viable topic that has no coverage anywhere should remain redlinked. Hopefully someone will click on it and create an article for it. SeeWikipedia:Red link#When to create red links.
State your reasons rather than paraphrase "delete". SeeWP:POLLS
Avoid vague reasons, and tell us specifically why something should be deleted. "Unencyclopedic" is meaningless, as it could represent just about anything. Please don't hide behind words like this one. WP:UNENCYCLOPEDIC explains what WP is not, and each section has its own shortcut. Familiarize yourself with these.
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This subject is also of interest to me; for memory enhancement/cognition and general alertness, any particular compounds you'd recommend as a place to start? (Ive been researching things like caffeine and theobromine and the fun things in Yerba Mate, etc...). Please excuse the semirandom question, but I saw it marked as one of your interests. Zelse81 (talk) 00:25, 31 August 2008 (UTC)Reply
I'm very happy to answer questions on anything pertaining to Wikipedia or its contents (that is, on any subject in the World). :)
The most basic and most cost effective nootropics are the precursors to the main neurotransmitters, and the cofactors the body uses to turn those precursors into the neurotransmitters. Precursors become part of the neurotransmitter molecule, while the cofactors don't.
The main neurotransmitters that the brain uses are acetylcholine, dopamine, and serotonin. Taking these directly is useless, because they are broken down in the degestive system.
All of the above are readily available (for cheap) at the local health food store.
The idea is, in order to optimize brain function, optimize the brain's level of neurotransmitters to support its functioning. End result: enhanced mental performance.
Keep in mind that too much of these creates the opposite effect: a drop in mental performance. So you need to find the right levels for you.
Remember, the most important nootropic of all is knowledge about nootropics.
Good luck, be careful (though all of the above are relatively safe), study up, and have fun.
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When I try to edit a page, I get the following notice:
You are currently unable to edit pages on Wikipedia.
This is because someone using this internet address or shared proxy server was blocked. Your ability to edit pages has been automatically suspended to prevent abuse from the other person.
The other user was blocked by Daniel Case for the following reason (see our blocking policy):
Autoblocked because your IP address was recently used by "TT Bot". The reason given for TT Bot's block is: "Approval was denied; no reason to leave this account open".
This block has been set to expire: 04:13, 4 September 2008.
Note that you have not been blocked from editing directly. Most likely your computer is on a shared network with other people.
All I did was submit a bot proposal (and created a corresponding account "TT Bot"), in good faith, but the bot proposal was summarily dismissed without discussion or explanation, and I was immediately blocked. The same block also appears to be affecting an entire public library (from where I've been accessing Wikipedia).
There's something wrong with the bot department.
Users should not be penalized for making a proposal, and the coordinators should explain why they denied a proposal in common English so the proposer can understand. All that was provided was a link. It doesn't make clear why my proposal was rejected.
I'm left scratching my head, and a little miffed for being blocked.
Hi there, to start off with, let's get you back to editing. I've changed your bots block, so that it won't interfere with this account, but, I am not able to clear the block on your account at this time, without the 'autoblock ID'. With this, I, or any other admin can take care of this for you quickly.
Regarding the approval, I think what Bj may have meant, was that you should put in a bot request, instead, as a project like that can be quite complicated, and it is generally preferable for something like that to be run by it's programmer in case of minor stuff ups. Just guessing however, hopefully Bj will show up here shortly. If you need anything further, don't hesitate to contact me on my talkpage (or, regarding that block, you can always use the {{unblock-auto}} template, to attract an available admin if I'm not around) SQLQuery me!04:19, 4 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
That he left us guessing is what concerns me. He might as well have been speaking Swahili. The program would be fairly simple. There's a little parsing, but nothing difficult. I could do the whole thing with macros if I had to. The Transhumanist18:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
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There are some problems I hadn't told you earlier about my current atlas, I can fix some of the changes you want. See my /graphics, I've replied over there -- penubag (talk) 08:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
Assuming there's no deadline for the Atlas, I will redo it to the best of my ability, and just because I don't upload a draft for a while, it doesn't mean I've forgotten about it either. I really wish I could have more free time so this whole thing didn't have to become an issue, my free time is really scattered right now, 10 minutes here and there, but I'll get it done eventually. -- penubag (talk) 04:55, 12 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
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Hey, a while back I helped you with the List of online encyclopedias article. I like your layout for the page both visually appealing and useful, so I modeled a list I created, List of blogs, after it. Now, some deletionists are trying to delete this page on about the same grounds they tried to delete your list. I request your input on the subject at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of blogs if you can. Thanks!
Thank you for the heads up - yes, the two lists are very similar in scope and structure. You did a great job saving that other list by improving the list itself, and this new list is of equal quality - congrats on a job well done. It's a valid list and should not be deleted. Thank you for contacting me.
Please keep in mind that I'm always interested in AfDs of navigational lists. Please inform me of any further nav lists that you come across in the future that are up for deletion.
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On this page Wikipedia:User Page Design Center/Style in the WIKI. You have a section called Show/Hide sections. In that section you have in the code a template call {{Round corners}} I have tried to find this template to see how the code whas written. I play the game called Fallen Sword on the internet and I have a profile on the WIKI for this game. I am trying to build a menu to put on the top of my pages to cut down the space that my tabs take up at the top and to make it more eaiser to follow. One of the problems is that the people who run the WIKI stopped some of the scripting functions to work. I do not know if these div class="NavFrame",div class="NavHead", and div class="NavContent" will work in the game WIKI either. DavidAHare (talk) 16:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
I'm always happy to help. Here's where to find what you are looking for:
Round corners. I forgot that was one I created; a couple years ago when I was called User:Go for it!. Templates can all be found in the "template" namespace. Just add "Template:" (don't forget the colon), in front of the template name, like this: Template:Round corners. That works in both links and searches.
The wikicode for classes (that is, the classes not limited to a particular skin) can be found in MediaWiki:Common.css. To find the section you are looking for fast, search (Ctrl-F in Internet Explorer or Firefox) for "thingy". :)
I hope that helps you find everything you are looking for. If you have further questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
Some landlocked countries have navies. Bolivia, for instance. And someone might be looking up the navies on every country of the world, in which case they would need to know which countries have them, and which do not. Though I figured out another solution. So never mind. The Transhumanist23:57, 17 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
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Sorry I haven't been doing it lately. I've been rather busy with my RfA and all. That's interesting about the redirects. I don't have an opposition to them, and I don't really see the harm in them. About the lists, I'm AWBing as I write, and I've just done about 50. Should be done shortly. –JuliancoltonTropicalCyclone21:28, 23 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
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Hey! Sorry about the vanishing act. Have been a bit busy the last few weeks. Took time of to get engaged :) Anyway. will try and finish the rest soon.
BTW, some joker is vandalising my talk page. Can you get someone to protect my talk page? I've requested twice, but for some reason no one seems to be responding to it. tx ChiragPatnaik (talk) 00:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
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Hi. Long time no see. Just grumbles I'm afraid.
Please don't do cut&paste moves. It splits up the article history, which is Bad for a number of reasons. Cool Hand Luke just fixed 15 of them![wrong diff] You may wish to thank him for spending 45 minutes doing that.
Please don't use bold in notices at the CBB. It's specifically cautioned against in the template's notes, and other editors keep removing it every time you make a posting there.
What cut & paste move are you referring to? I don't recall working on Victor Bravo (the page you provided in the diff), as I'm not a football fan. By the way, bolding the primary link in a message at the CBB is harmless and makes the blue link easier to see against the blue background of the page. The Transhumanist17:39, 24 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
My mistake, wrong diff (I copied the "last" diff code, instead of the specific diff). The relevant section was directly below though, and shouldn't have been hard to see... He fixed 15 of your cut&paste moves from the lists of basic topical outlines. I had only seen the first one, when I submitted the merge-request.
Using Bold simply for emphasis is recommended against, because it is counter to our MOS (Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(text_formatting)#Boldface). It's not a habit we should be propagating. It also leads to other editors bolding everything they consider important in their own posts. It has been discussed before, but you can bring it up again if you want. (by the way, the CBB's background is purple, not blue. If links don't show up properly, then the background should be changed.) -- Quiddity (talk) 18:52, 24 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
The Manual of Style (MOS) applies to encyclopedia content, not community notices. And I see no reason why editors should be disallowed to use bold in their messages of the things they consider important. It lets them let you know what they want you to notice. It's a very useful communication feature of print, and is especially appropriate for the main link of a notice. The Transhumanist18:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
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Great work on the List of topics project. Just few questions: I'd like to improve this list; could you point me to a list (may or may not be of the same topic) which I could use as a model. Plus, I remember that there have been some discussions about the name format these topic lists should have. What was the result? Thank you. Eklipse (talk) 22:02, 27 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
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Hi, it's been a long time since we've last saw each other. I've an issue with a card I'm currently trying to develop i.e. I can't type anything below the card. Take a look at this page to see the problem. I appreciate your help. By the way, nice user page. Cheers, Zacharycrimsonwolf12:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
ok In some cases I put it in already. Some places like islands don't even have standing armies. and yet others areprotectorates. For these I will redirect to the country page.
Wow, It's a lot of work. Unfortunately - I'm currently working on 1 DYK, 2 GA, 1 FA, and 3 FL - so I don't have much time for other stuff, sorry! iMatthew (talk)20:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
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Hey Transhumanist -- good to hear from you. I'm still around in a minimal sense, but I haven't done any substantial work lately -- I started college a little over a month ago, and that's been keeping me rather busy. So I don't know if I'll get around to working on the basic topics/topical outline pages any time soon, but I'll definitely consider it if I get some free time. Thanks for your hard work. — xDanielxT/C\R09:42, 5 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
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I wish to 1st thank you for your respose to my topic "Template Round corners and div classes". The Wiki Sysop on the Game Wiki looked at the code on the page and then at another file and told me he would have to rewrite some stuff to be able to use those class in the Game Wiki. He did tell me how to do something similar which I have.
My Question is if I was to post the code for my tab menu could you show me if it is possible to incorporate a collapsible field to where it would be able to have like a drop down list or something similar.
You could look over the best user pages on Wikipedia, to see if any of them have done something close to what you want. Many of them are presented at the User Page Hall of Fame.
I like the Template:Navbox but they have to many other templ;ates involved to where I can not tell what is and what is not the actual code for each style of the Navboxes. If there was a way to see the navbox code with the parameters with out any documentation or the extra templates for each style I could see if it would work. I am teaching myself this type of programming and I have to be able to see how things look very simply without any extra stuff added to it. DavidAHare (talk) 01:45, 6 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
I got approved for AWB 2 days ago, tried to install it, but was unsuccessful on this computer. Will have another go on it over the weekend on my other one. Sorry if I didn't clarify previously that I'm approved for AWB but not using it yet. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
With regard to the lists of basic topics, is this considered appropriate? Since Andorra is landlocked, it wouldn't have any fjords or islands, but I'm not sure about the policy of this specific WikiProject. Bart133tc@How's my driving?02:48, 7 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
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Should the topic outline for Vatican City refer to it as "the Vatican City" or "Vatican City"? Usage in Wikipedia seems to favour the latter, but the official name is Stato della Città del Vaticano (State of the Vatican City). Bart133tc@How's my driving?22:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
Good question. Searching Google, "Vatican City" is clearly the more common usage (43 million versus 330 thousand with the "the"). All articles with "the Vatican City" in them should be renamed without the "the". But be careful not to change the ones with "the Vatican City State". :)
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Wow, that looks great; good work. I found very little to change, and I added a picture and preformed minor copyedits. Just one question: should the empty Education section be removed? I can't find any links relevant to that section. –JuliancoltonTropicalCyclone00:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
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Hi tH,
Several people have objected to the name Taiwanese Hokkien, as the term used by the ROC is evidently Taiwanese Minnan (or actually, just "Minnan" in English, but it's disambiguated in Chinese). I don't care either way myself (against govt usage, "Taiwanese Hokkien" appears to be twice as common as "Taiwanese Minnan" on Taiwanese websites, at least according to Google), but thought you might want a say. kwami (talk) 20:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
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Just to let you know that I haven't forgotten about Atlas and that I'm nearing completion! But don't get your hopes too high yet, it looks nearly the same as the previous version, and there's still a lot more to be done. -- penubag (talk) 02:03, 18 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
Okay, I AM FINISHED! Phew, found enough time to work all day this weekend, and finished it! I know you'll probably have another laundry list of stuff you want me to do but this time I can edit the image with ease. I actually like this one a lot more than the other one. Atlas actually looks gold. Linky -- penubag (talk) 04:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
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Hi there. I noticed you're mass-renaming lists against the manual of style on naming conventions of long lists. I'd highly suggest that you stop for the time being and gain consensus for this move before continuing, as I could easily see lots of people disagreeing. If you have already gained consensus for this, please feel free to trout me with the link. Cheers =) --slakr\ talk /20:34, 19 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
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