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Discussion: Agnostic Atheism and Reliability of Wikipedia

So you got rid of the talk regarding "Agnostic Atheism" (and Wikinights stated here on your talke page that he was offended) when that term is minimally passible as a legitimate term according to Professor Paul Draper of Perdue University, (whose credentials are beyond reproach), who wrote on this subject in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy which is put together by the top Professors at the top Universities in the country?

Here is what is offensive. You and others thinking that a book written in 1894 by James Alexander Harrison, which has no Bibliography, (Professor Drapers does), which is basically just a book of his viewpoints on subjects is superior? That is not only totally offensive in and of itself that people editing would believe this, it is also totally offensive to users of Wikipedia that rely on accurate up to date information and resources.

Further Proof of Wikipedia's Non-Reliability:

I was Manager of Financial Planning and Analysis for Brinks Home Security. When unpacking after a move recently I came across my business card. So of course it brought back memories. I thought I would check to see what was written about Brinks Home Security on Wikipedia. It was pretty much a joke. So I corrected some things. A user that only went by an IP address reverted my changes back. So I don't know if it's still there, but since just like the Agnostic Atheism piece it's a waste of time to put in accurate information, from reliable sources, today I put in the following at the top of the page.

"Some of the information below is incorrect. I had put in a correction on the top but it got deleted. I worked for Brinks Home Security from 1986-1991, first as a Senior Financial Analyst, and then as Manager of Financial Planning and Analysis. I can be contacted for further information and verification at 469-613-7236.

Also here is the linkedin page of the second President and CEO of Brinks Home Security, (Peter Michel) from 1988-2001.

Now whoever deleted my correction at the top, would like to get their facts straight on this company, please call me. Or any user can call me to get the correct information."

Now by the time you check this page this information above will probably be deleted again, just like when I made actual corrections. This is why Wikipedia is a joke and I don't use it, nor edit it any longer, (check my history, I made two edits in 2012, then was gone till recently. The only reason I came back was because people on social media cite this piece of crap encyclopedia, which is a piece of crap because anyone can go in and take out factual information. So why, as a professional researcher would I waste my time with a bunch of people who for the most part don't know how to do proper research and put in garbage into an encyclopedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madjess (talk • contribs) 19:47, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

First of all, I did not get rid of the discussion, I archived it. Second of all, what exactly do you hope to accomplish by writing an essay about why you think Wikipedia is trash? I'm not forcing you to use it, and I don't make all the policies here. And obviously you do still care about Wikipedia if you are willing to write all this about it. Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 04:25, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

Thank you! Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 11:16, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

joji

Hey Saucy, I'm a fairly new editor so i didn't really know how to start a discussion. I tried it before the move but i couldn't figure it out so can you help me? My reasoning behind the move was that the article clearly is about George's whole career rather than just his joji part. I think the name filthy frank is also highly popular just like the name joji is. The name joji can still be used as a redirect if people search for it. Hope you can help me out :) DarkerthanTar (talk) 10:52, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

@DarkerthanTar: Sure! To start a discussion, go to Talk:Joji (musician) and click the Edit button. At the bottom of the page, add the following:

{{subst:requested move|George Miller (musician)|reason=YOUR REASONING HERE}}

Once you've added your reasoning, save your edits, and you're done. You don't need to do anything after that; a bot will take care of it. Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 11:01, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Saucy :) DarkerthanTar (talk) 11:04, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry about that

Sorry about that[1]. I am using a javascript tool that figures out who made a post and adds the signature. It seems it has a bug in it. I will be more careful in the future. HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 11:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Undid revision 1041564905 by Saucy (talk) Routine Calculations are not considered Original Research

I composed a spreadsheet that calculates the contribution of each state to the 2010 mean US population center. I then calculated the influence of each state's 2010 to 2020 population change to the 2010 centroid to determine the centroid's 2020 position. I used this method to successfully estimate the 2010 population centroid and post it on this Wikipedia entry, to the apparent appreciation of local residents and regional media. I would like to post my 2020 calculation. I am willing to share my spreadsheet, just tell me how. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.50.182.207 (talk) 20:03, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

@108.50.182.207: I believe that the "routine calculations" clause of the original research policy is more for simple calculations, such as converting between units. However, finding the mean population center of the United States is such a complex calculation that it would be very difficult for other editors to verify that it's true. "Routine calculations do not count as original research, provided there is consensus among editors that the result of the calculation is correct, and a meaningful reflection of the sources." I suspect it would be difficult to get consensus that your result is correct, since it is not an official calculation. Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 02:57, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

My spreadsheet is fairly simple and straightforward (3 columns of data, 9 columns of calculations, and a row for each US state), and uses only four fundamental mathematical functions: addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division, so it is not difficult to interpret. I have a high level of confidence in my method because it worked in 2010. I would like to try to obtain a consensus among the editors of this page that my calculation is an estimate rigorous enough to be added. How do I proceed with consensus-building on this issue? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.115.57.2 (talk) 15:59, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

@63.115.57.2: The original research noticeboard is one place to get opinions on whether it breaks the original research policy. Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 04:52, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Keemstar for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Keemstar is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keemstar until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

DGG ( talk ) 21:31, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Framework Computer - an excessive amount of intricate detail message

Hi Saucy, thank you for your feedback for the "Framework Computer" page. What parts could be improved especially on the page? This is my first try to "talk" on Wikipedia. Junaruga (talk) 21:50, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@Junaruga: Hi there! Thank you very much for all your contributions on the Framework article; I appreciate all the work you've put into expanding and improving the article. But I feel like you actually went a little overboard. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. For example, information about the firmware of the embedded controller isn't relevant to most people, and feels out-of-scope for an encyclopedia. The article also has a lot of links to help guides and forums, which isn't really the purpose of Wikipedia either. Some sections of the article also rely heavily on references to user-generated content, which are generally considered unreliable. Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 06:28, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Saucy Thank you for your feedback! I am sorry to be late to reply to you. I checked the Wikipedia page "What Wikipedia is not.". I tried to simplify the firmware section, adding other section "mainboards" and "expansion cards" in balance. My intent of the firmware part is because it is only a software developed by the company Framework. It directly affects users experiences. As a person who have seen the users community, I feel that firmware is an important factor of this laptop, unlike other companies laptops. I will continue to improve this page. Thank you. Junaruga (talk) 20:08, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi man!

Hi man! X-750 _{Rust In Peace... Polaris} 00:11, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

@X750: Hi!!! 😃 Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 00:21, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Saucy Can I get some hype 🔥🔥🔥 X-750 _{Rust In Peace... Polaris} 00:22, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

@X750: Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 00:26, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

The Barnstar of Soge

	Some beans for you!
	Hey man! X-750 List of articles I have screwed over 08:13, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@X750: Hey Man! (I changed the image because I don't want to get in trouble for having NFCC-breaking material on my talk page) What have you been up to I miss you Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 08:36, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh dang okay I didn't realise it was a NFCC, I've been writing lots of articles on sports cars. I've got a draft (offwiki) for the Audi R10 TDI, and it's probably gonna quadruple the current page size, and I'm gonna nominate it for a featured article. So much WIN!!!! How about you? X-750 _{List of articles I have screwed over} 09:37, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Panera Logo

Hi there, I see you have edited the Panera Bread logo on wikipedia before. Our marketing department has asked we serve up the wordmark as the logo instead of the images we refer to as "Mother Bread". It's correct now in the USA, but Google is pulling in the old logo still from the German version of wikipedia. Do you know how to replace this logo https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Panera_Bread_Logo.svg with this one Panera Bread#/media/File:Panera Bread wordmark.svg

Thank you! PaneraTerry (talk) 21:25, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

@PaneraTerry: I've went ahead and replaced the logo on the German Panera Bread article with the new one, though that hasn't deleted the file. It seems strange to me that Google is specifically pulling the image from the German Wikipedia; I suspect someone from Google has manually set it to do that. To remove it from Google you would probably have to either contact Google or delete the file from the German Wikipedia. Since the Mother Bread version of the logo is copyrighted, it could probably be deleted fairly easily; though I'm not familiar with the German Wikipedia's deletion policies and procedures. Also, since I assume you are employed by Panera, be sure to follow Wikipedia's conflict of interest policy when making any edits. Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 01:02, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I oversee our search presence as well as some other digital marketing components within Panera. Will definitely read up on that. My objective is to just ensure accuracy, not using Wiki for promotion. If there is someone I should recommend changes to rather then trying to edit it myself I am definitely happy to do it that way! :-). Thank you so much for the help, very much appreciated. PaneraTerry (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

Thank you!!! Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 09:05, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

Thank you!!! I got two people wishing me; I'm so famous Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 09:05, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy birthday!

Alles Gute zum Geburtstag Saucy! 祝您生日快乐 X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 20:39, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Man! Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 09:05, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

ANI

If you take a look at teh dramahboardz, it is almost 1 million bytes! That's kinda big honestly. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 00:38, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions on Park City Transit

Hi Saucy, thank you for polishing and contributing to Park City Transit. It's my second article I've created on Wikipedia and I greatly appreciate your revisions for grammar and clarity. ~~mAyLiNgOeEd (Talk to me!🗣) (See what else I did on Wikipedia!!📜) 02:46, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Congrats on your first article!!! I didn't have the time to do as much cleanup as I would've liked, so I tagged it for some additional editing. Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 01:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

have a robot

	robot
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Hi man!

Hey man! X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 07:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey man! Wassup I've missed ya Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 10:01, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Nothing much haha. Back in New Zealand for summer break and then heading back over to the U.S. once the semester starts. Hope your summer is good so far :D X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 01:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Thai Wikipedia has chosen your image to be shown on its front page.

said file

A file that you've created, File:Proportional-vs-monospace-v5.svg, has been chosen to be shown on Thai Wikipedia's front page in its did you know template. (specifically th:แม่แบบ:รู้ไหมว่า/คิว_15 )

Cordially,

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