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Project Dragon Ball

• Temp page: User:DesireCampbell/WikiProject_Dragon_Ball
• Proposal page Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#WikiProject_Dragon_Ball
• Wikipedia:WikiProject
• Wikipedia:WikiProject_Japan
• Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga
• Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sailor_Moon (A great example)

Guidelines for character, techniques, and other names

^{As a side note: I have never spelled techniques as "technigues". That is all. *whistles*}

WP:MOS-JP#Romanisation

All names should be taken from the original Japanese text. Romanized under Wikipedia's Revised Hepburn romanisation standard, with exceptions.

• Is the name derived from and English word?
  • If so, use the English word, and not a romanization of the kana.
  • If not...
• Is there an acceptable romanization that is vastly more popular than the standard romanization?
  • If so, use the most common romanization.
  • If not...
• Use the standard romanization of the name.

Specific to Dragon Ball, if the name involves a pun, especially an English word pun, it should be represented in the romanization of the name.

No distribution company's translations are to be relied upon exclusively. There are too many distribution companies to be able to choose one as more official than another. Further, all distribution companies have had problems with their adaptations - no company is free from fault.

There should be a small section detailing the name. Where it is derived from, what the pun is, and possible romanizations.

ie:

"Burdock"

バードック -- baadokku

バーダック -- baadakku

Burdahck

Burdock

Edit!

Quickly! No one must know the truth about the Sailor Moon pages =) VelocityEX 04:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

If you mean 'the truth' as in 'I watch Sailor Moon', it's too late :P --DesireCampbell 12:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Dragon World

Please see Talk:Dragon World dispute for your vote on whether we should keep the Human (Dragon World) article or have it merged into Dragon World. Thanks! Power level (Dragon Ball) 15:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Red Ribbon Army

See that article which keeps getting redirected without consensus. If you could, begin a survey there. I'm out to lunch (be back in 20-30 min.) Power level (Dragon Ball) 18:23, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that if we worked together, maybe the Red Ribbon Army article wouldn't be so wierd looking. Should we begin a cleanup, or do you have something else in mind? Power level (Dragon Ball) 20:05, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

It needs to be written in an encyclopedic tone. Eat Snow knows his RR stuff so I don't doubt that the information's right, it just needs to be cleaned up. That said, I don't know jack about the Red Ribbon army, so I'm a bit hesitant to start cutting the thing up right away. I'll try and look at it later tonight (I'm out of here in a minute) and see if I can get a style going. --DesireCampbell 20:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I fixed up the first two paragraphs of the article. So what do you think? I'm starting on the characters sections now. Please help me fix it if you think it's still worded strangely, but don't just revert it. Thanks! Power level (Dragon Ball) 14:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Burdock (Dragon Ball)

I'm relieved that the Burdock/Bardock thing is [hopefully] over as the people must be convinced by your wonderful proof. So, shall we move on and begin romanizing and whatnot Mister Satan's, Madjinn Boo's, and Vegerot's article and their respective names? I really feel that we should go forth and start out with what the DBZ manga's original Japanese written language names were to these characters. Meaning, you wouldn't happen to have a japanese written language manga of DBZ, would you? If not, should we go by the Japanese Dragon Ball articles on the Jap. Wikipedia as a source? ----Power level(Dragon Ball)^{Stacy's Mom} 15:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Nothing's ever "over" on Wikipedia. That much I have learned. There are only pauses between artillery volleys :P

I'm just about to start a template for character pages. One of the first sections will deal with the name specifically; explaining it's pun, how it is romanized,. why it is romanized as it is, other acceptable spellings...

It's just that I'm not too worried about any of the pages right now. A lot of them are pretty bad, but none are so bad they need to be fix immediately. I think the best thing to do right now is to work on building standards for DB articles. We need to figure out hoe the pages should look, right now we're taking one article at a time and there's no standard template to go by. Every page is different from every other page. There's needs to be consistency.

The thing with Dragon Ball names is they're not meant to be written in English (most of the time), so any attempt at romanization is difficult. The guidelines are clear on what we should use, but again, I'm fully supportive of ignoring any rules if necessary. I think the best thing to use is Daimao's subs. He's a professional, and a great translator, his names are never "guesswork", they're all well thought out (even if I don't agree with them all). Further, they're official romanizations (as the guidelines suggest).

Aaaaarrrgh! So much to do :p

--DesireCampbell 19:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Let me know if you need help on anything. ^{Power level (Dragon Ball)} 14:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

A few rules before the Google test

1. Please set the preferences to search English pages only... we do not wish to count Spanish/French/etc - This inflates the search groups in favor of "Mr. Satan" because those non-English languages know him as Mr. Satan 2. Make sure a "-wikipedia" is thrown in WhisperToMe 23:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Been doing some thinking...

Maybe we should just give in and use the American Dragon Ball/Z/GT anime names for all those characters? I don't know, it appears that we're always being contested for changing the character names to their romaji translations and I feel that the Hercule (Dragon Ball) move is unlikely to occur for quite some time. I mean, it did take a while to convince some Wikipedians (hopefully) about the Bardock/Burdock move. So, should we give in? You are the one that's doing most of the work anyways since you grasp the comprehension of Japanese names to their respective English/Engrish naming systems. ^{Power level (Dragon Ball)} 04:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Nah, then it would mean that a lot more people would know incorrect-ticies about Dragon Ball. Wikipedia is a source of information. We shouldn't be having the wrong stuff. That's how I see it VelocityEX 06:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC) EDIT: Power level, you should join the DB WikiProject. We'd need all the help we can get =) VelocityEX 06:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Besides that, the WP;Anime Project already specifies that we should be using the official romanji. Which would mean Daimao's translations. There are a few I don't agree with, but then again, I'm not fluent in Japanese, haven't ever lived there, didn't start translating episodes in my free time and get picked up by Funimation to translate DBZ and dozens of other series, and become one of the industry's most respected members. I'm just a kid who can look up kana charts, and has a basic grasp of the differences between the languages.

That said, I don't care if Mr Satan stays at Hercule or moves to Mister Satan. It's not my biggest worry about DB articles. I'm just flabbergasted at the anount of people who keep touting WP:NAME over specific official guidelines and the WP:Anime Project's guidelines. And, again, I don't like the voting procedure. Page names and any contested change in an article should be decided through debate. I am planning on writing up a rather long essay, detailing what names should be used and why. But, that's nothing to expect soon. I'm rather busy outside of Wikipedia too ;) --DesireCampbell 11:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Satan

Screw it. I yield. Will you agree on a compromise with me? I'll back Mr. Satan. In fact, I'll back all names from the uncut FUNi anime. What swayed me was that I didn't realize that the uncut dub had Mr. Satan instead of Hercule. (I always watched it subbed.) But, uncut FUNi anime would also mean Bardock instead of Burdock. (By the title of the movie alone, we can see the spelling they intended.) I think the uncut FUNi anime is the "common" form now, per WP:NAME, because it's the form new fans to the series are experiencing the show in. What do you say? I'd like to get back to editing articles rather than debating all the time. JRP 04:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm actually trying to push the WP:Anime Project guidelines, which would mean using Daimao's names, not dub names. I understand the reasoning behind using common names, but I still feel using correct names is more important.

I actually think using any company's names blindly is a terrible idea. I can see why such is done in most anime articles, most modern anime have only one English distribution company, but Dragon Ball has had so many and many are fraught with problems, that picking one out of so many is ludicrous. If any English version should be chosen it should be Funimation's Japanese subtitles. They're based directly on the original script, and Funi is the most popular distribution company for Dragon Ball in English.

Besides, the articles are in terrible shape as it is. They all need a complete overhaul. There are omissions, glaring errors, and just terrible article structure all around, I mean, most character pages amount to 'recap every story arc this character has appeared in'. And why are we listing the character's relatives in the info box?!

Many of us are trying to organize a Dragon Ball WikiProject. The articles are so substandard (for the most part) that a complete rewrite is needed in almost every case. Ironically, the Mister Satan article is probably the best DB character page around (aside from the "Hercule" thing). It's just so much work, it becomes rather daunting. I've been trying to get example article templates done for weeks, between trying to re-write the timeline (that thing is a beast).

I don't even care about the outcome of the current poll. I don't think the page will get named Mr Satan, even if everyone votes for it, Several Wikipedians seem hell-bent on pushing WP:NAME, completely ignoring the fact that this is exactly why more specific guidelines are created in the first place. Apparently noone thinks the WP:Anime Project is a good idea, if they did, there wouldn't even be a discussion on it. The project guidelines state very specifically that characters should be called what their official romanji names are - which, again, would point to Steven Simmon's subs over anything else.

I appreciate the offer, but I hate compromises. In this case using Funi names seems like a good compromise, but they're still wrong names. These articles aren't about Funimation's DBZ dubs. These articles aren't about English dubs of DBZ. These articles are about Dragon Ball. Dragon Ball was written in Japanese. Will such information be confusing for casual fans? Maybe. Casual fans of quantum physics probably find Schrödinger's cat confusing. Maybe we should rewrite the article so it just says the cat's dead.

Wikipedia exists to provide accurate information - not easy information. Articles should never knowingly introduce incorrect information. And, using dub names because they are dub names, is incorrect. --DesireCampbell 06:38, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I tend to disagree with you on some of your points, but I think it's best that we agree to disagree. Your Schrodinger's cat strawman argument doesn't work for me. In any event, I fundamentally agree with you: the DB articles are bad and need some samurai copyediting. I'm also going to join up with WP:Anime and see if I can be of assistance there. My goal, for a while, was to have a FA on "Dragon Ball (franchise)", but that has long since become stale and I didn't use inline citations. Really, getting any DB article stable enough for a FA will be tricky with the number of fanboys running around. Anyway, that's where it stands. JRP 16:04, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

This Page All right?

I sound like a little kid right now =P Nah, I've been working on the Son Gohan page. I'm just following what you said over at the DaizEX boards, shortening it and such. While I couldn't shorten the Buu Saga, I did fix up everything else. What do you think? VelocityEX 02:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

It looks much better, but I still think it's too long. The bulk of the page is a recap of the plot - which isn't necessary (okay, it kind of is now, but it wouldn't be if the damn arc articles were done right). And it's written almost entirely "in-universe", which I don't really care about, but a few other pages have been getting flak about. The page needs to be trimmed considerably, and new sections need to be added or expanded.

I think the article should be laid out something like this:

Son Gohan

^{the article name should be the character's FULL name, as per Daimao's official romanizations}

Son Gohan (孫 悟飯 Son Gohan) is a fictional character in the metaseries Dragon Ball. He is the son of the series' hero Son Goku. Gohan is voiced by seiyu Masako Nozawa. ^{the opening paragraph should restate the character's name, plus the Japanese text and direct transliteration, give a short description of his relation to Goku: ie, enemy, rival, friend, teacher, and state the Japanese voice actor}

Name

Gohan is named after his father's adoptive father, Son Gohan, and as with most Dragon Ball characters, his name is a pun. Continuing with the trend of other Earthlings, his name is a food-related pun. Gohan's name, 孫 悟飯 (Son Gohan), is a homophone for 御飯 (gohan), the Japanese word for cooked rice, which also refers to meals in general. In Mandarin, the reading of 悟飯 (Gohan) is homophone for 午飯 (wûfàn), meaning lunch. Son (孫 Son) is Gohan's family name. ^{this section should appear in all character pages. This section details either what the pun is, or what JTTW character he is named after. if possible, we should include a picture of the pun-object, or JTTW character for further illustration}

Character design

Because Gohan is first introduced as a child, and the series progresses until his adulthood, Gohan's appearance changes drastically through Dragon Ball. But Gohan's basic physical appearance stays pretty much the same through the course of the series. Gohan has black hair, black eyes and his full grown height is around his father's 5-foot 7. Gohan has his mother's light peach complection, rather than his father's light tan.

Gohan's character design is initially very similar to Goku's early on in Dragon Ball. He sports a tail, and wears a child's outfit with a dragon ball attached to his hat. While training with Piccolo, he wears an outfit similar to Goku's original. After training with Piccolo he has a bowl-type haircut and dons similar attire to the Namek warrior which he continues to wear until the end of the Namek saga, after which he wears Saiyan-style armor. As a teen he still wears the Piccolo clothing though his hair is styled in a more wild way due to it being self-cut. While training in the Room of Spirit and Time, he begins wearing Saiyan training gear but again reverts to Piccolo's clothing before facing Cell.

As a teen/young adult, he alternates between a school uniform, his Great Saiyaman costume, the Piccolo clothing (except larger in size), a replica of the gi his father Goku wore while he was alive, prior to the Buu Saga, and the Kaio clothing given to him by Kibito. His hair is much shorter and stands on end in a spiky formation.

In Dragon Ball GT he is usually seen dressed as like a professor or a businessman, in a suit and a tie. He also wears eyeglasses, even though he shows no sign of actually needing them. ^{for any character possible, we should include any notes about the characters design. this won't be possible for many, but several characters have notes in the daizenshuu and other databooks we might take from. for example, there's the design notes for Burdock. This section shouldn't be more than a few paragraphs - too much would be bloat-ish}

Personality

Gohan is a shy and studious intellectual, and as a child lacks the Saiyan fighting spirit. Soon he must utilize his vast half-breed Saiyan potential and emotional reserves to protect those he loves, becoming one of the most powerful Z Fighters. As an adult he abandons his superhero duties and uses his mind, as a premier scholar of Earth.

Gohan, being only half-Saiyan, is unusual in his values and personality. These unique values and personality separate him from pure Saiyans; as powerful as he is, he hates fighting. But when he is forced to fight, he shows special interest in protecting his family and friends. Like his father, Gohan has a pure and gentle heart. Besides concerning himself with his family (and his studies), Gohan has a strong attachment with his mentor, and his father's former archrival, Piccolo, who was forced to train Gohan after Goku's death when the child was but four. Kuririn also has influence on Gohan, mainly because Kuririn is Goku's closest friend. ^{this section should be no more than three paragraphs, any more would be fan-cruft, or delve into a retelling of the plot. here we want to state what the character is like and how, if at all, his persona changes. probably need a spoiler tag here.}

History

Gohan is intoduced in the Saiyan arc as Goku's son. He is immediately taken hostage by Raditz and rescued by his father and Piccolo, though the rescue costs Goku's life. After a year in training under Piccolo, Gohan faces the Saiyan invaders. In the Freeza arc, Gohan travels to Planet Namek with Bulma and Kuririn in search of new dragon balls with which to revive their fallen comrades. On Namek, Gohan encounters Freeza and his henchmen, and helps to defeat them before escaping back to planet Earth. Gohan plays a pivotal role in the Cell arc. After training nearly a year inside the Room of Spirit and Time, he emerges to defeat Cell, but only after the death of Goku. Seven years later, durring the Majin Buu arc, Gohan dons the mantle of super hero as the Great Saiyaman while attending high school. That persona is dropped soon after Majin Buu energes. Even after repeated attempts, Gohan is unable to stop Buu. (From here go onto the GT plot arc, I don't know them off the top of my head, but you get the idea.) ^{retell the plot involving the character briefly. Repeat: briefly. As in, no more than four lines per arc. link to the arc pages (that don't yet exist) for further explanation. this page is about the character, not the damn story. One paragraph for DB, Z, and GT, a second for movies and TV specials.}

Unique Section

^{Any specialty information, like Kami's "split" and remergence, or Gohan's "Saiyaman" tenure should be placed in its own section after the plot recap, but before the technique list (lists should be the last thing on the page, and template-sections should be before everything else)}

Techniques and Powers

(list the techniques Gohan is known to use, including Super Saiyan levels <though, keep those as one entry, "Super Saiyan">, and link to their place on the technique <or other relevant> page - much likethey are now) ^{no surprises here, just a list of techniques. no character needs a separate entry for each 'power up' or transformation}

(Dragon Ball Template)

^{we need a single DB template, it would obviously go at the end. on that note, the info box at the top needs to be stripped too. Too much useless info}

So, as you can see, my expectations are rather lofty (perhaps too lofty). Anything that can be cut from the character page, should be cut. That includes family trees, nearly the whole damn plot, etc. That said, I want to see more other pieces of information included, like design ideas. And, to be clear, nothing about any English-dub version should be delved into. Such information should be contained completely in its own article. Use Daimao's names and translations - leave the Funi dub, and any other dub, out of it. --DesireCampbell 06:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Baby (Dragon Ball)

Hey, we never took care of the Bebi move. Should I contact an administrator to perform it, request the move, or do you want to add something before it? ^{Power level (Dragon Ball)} 16:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Seems like a consensus to me, but just to be safe put it up on Move Requests under 'uncontroversial moves', wait a day, and ask an admin (Zscout370 moved the Satan page, he'd probably do the Baby one quick too).

I'd do all that, but I'm out of here in a few hours -for the next couple weeks. I might pop back in a few times but I don't want to start a MR and then not be here to be responsible for it, in case something goes wrong. --DesireCampbell 17:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Bye, happy holidays! ^{Power level (Dragon Ball)} 18:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Wheeeee! --DesireCampbell 18:18, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Userboxes!! w00t!!!

It took me a while, but I finally got these made. Check them out.

File:One Star DB.svgThis Wikipedian is a member of the WikiProject Dragon Ball

File:Toribot.svgThis Wikipedian is a member of the WikiProject Dragon Ball

i hope you like them =) I'm gonna have these userboxes submitted so if you're gonna have these on your page, you might wanna change it later since I'll have it done with the simplistic userbox code.

But yeah, enjoy!! VelocityEX 20:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Stunning. Absolutely stunning. Though, I'd change the second one like so:

File:Toribot.svgThis Wikipedian is a member of the WikiProject Dragon Ball

File:Toribot.svgThis Wikipedian is a member of the WikiProject Dragon Ball

Or something. I dunno. The green is just odd. I dunno. :P --DesireCampbell 22:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the green. I couldn't find a good color for it >.> Although I do like the 1st one, the one with a yellow background. I'm gonna use that, if you'd like =) VelocityEX 22:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, the first one is just spectacular. :D --DesireCampbell 22:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I finally figured out how to convert them into 'Userbox' code. Heh

DBZThis user is a member of the Dragon Ball work group.

This user is a member of the Dragon Ball work group.

This user is a member of the Dragon Ball work group.

I'm gonna place them on the WikiProject page soon enough. =)VelocityEX 04:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Power level (Dragon Ball)

I just realized, shouldn't the DB movie power levels be placed onto that article, PL (DB)? I don't have the Father of Goku, Broly, [but I think you do have those two, right?] and any other DB movies except the Bojack film and Super Android 13 film DVD's. Maybe you can help add those movie power levels. If I recall correctly, Broli was born with a power level of 10,000. Burdock's power level was ≈10,000 (meaning approximately 10,000) which was mentioned in the special (I think) to be closer to King Vegeta's power level, which must have been 10,000 right? As for my user page, maybe you could just look through that and see if any of my guestimated power levels are correct. Now I'm not sayin' to use my as a reference, but see if anything else is right (which is not listed on the PL (DB) article). Ok? Thanks for your time! P.S.: How can I become a member of the WikiProject:Dragon Ball? I couldn't sign up or anything when I visited the page. What do I have to do exactly to become a member? PL(DB) 16:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

To become a member of this or any other WikiProject, you need only help out. WikiProjects are little more than a way to announce that a few people have decided to do a lot of work, and would like some help.

If you want to you can add your name to the members section, and add a userbox to your User Page.

About the power levels... I think there should be an article that explains the term and lists all the stated power levels, and such figures should be included into any article where such information is helpful - but we cannot try and determine power levels (no matter how accurate our guesses are, they're still original research), and we shouldn't put too much stock in them (that is, don't worry about mentioning anyone's power level unreferenced). --DesireCampbell 14:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. No original research. Oh hey, did ya see my userpage? I'm the newest member of WP:DBZ! Isn't that great?! So, what's my first mission partner? I'll help you out on whatever I have knowledge on... (Me | The Article) 00:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I have posted a message on Jessica Ingmann's talk page and I need your opinion on it. Thanks! (Me | The Article) 16:42, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Grandpa Gohan survey conflict

Okay, what should the title for that article be? Me and another user (User:Majinvegeta) proposed Grandpa Son Gohan since it is his correct name. Two other users were against it for no reason. Then there was a third that opposed it too. Now, we know that the old man's real name is Son Gohan, right? Evidently, there is already a Son Gohan. So, wouldn't Grandpa Son Gohan be best to title the article? If you see the article, you'll notice that I placed his nihongo as Grandpa Gohan Son (孫悟飯, Son Gohan). Isn't that correct? Anyways, we really need your help on that talk page such as when you helped solve the Bardock case. Thanks! (Me | The Article) 03:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

heh, I actually came across that a while ago :) I didn't look too much into it, I thought the whole thing had been settled. Anyway, I'll comment on the matter on the Talk page. --DesireCampbell 04:14, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay then, what actual name do you propose then for the character? I really feel that Grandpa Son Gohan is the most appropiate name because Goku calls him "Grandpa Gohan", not "Grandfather Gohan" in the manga and anime. His real name is "Son Gohan"., but that name is taken by a "more popular character". Because of this, "Grandpa Son Gohan" sounds like the most appropiate title here. Now about the Japanese ((nihongo)) for "Grandpa Son Gohan", should Grandpa (じいさん) be included with his actual name Son Gohan (孫 悟飯) altogether? I gotta admit, you're an expert at this stuff Desire, ya know... (Me | The Article) 22:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Heh, I'm no expert. I'm just good at looking at things with a level head. I don't really like the idea of using "Grandpa" or "Grandfather" Son Gohan, as it's not part of his name - but we need to do something to differentiate him from Son Gohan. And since he is (at least once) officially credited as "Grandfather Son Gohan" (not the less formal "grandpa", but "grandfather") I think that that is the best choice. Actualy - I just now thought about the daizenshuu. There's a charater list in one of them - I'll see if I can get anyone to check it. It should list him as a different name than "Son Gohan" :) --DesireCampbell 03:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, good luck finding a Daizenshuu name for him. Hey, you sure know a bunch of stuff about Dragon Ball, huh? I bet you've seen all the episodes at least 3 or 4 times, right? Anyways, I hope we take care of this matter soon... (Me | The Article) 04:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Um, did ya get a name for old man Son Gohan yet? Power level (Dragon Ball) 23:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, is 82.3.106.48 your IP username? If it is, I'll keep that in mind the next time the IP edits your page. Power level (Dragon Ball) 23:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

1. I've got some clarification on the Japanese words for 'grandfather' used, I'll be commenting on that page in a minute.
2. No, that's not my IP, I didn't make the edit in question - someone must've just happened to be perusing my page and corrected some spelling. I thought it was vandalism at first too - but turns out it's just some nice fellow :) --DesireCampbell 02:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

So, you wanna request the move to Grandpa Son Gohan or should I? Power level (Dragon Ball) 07:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I've got it. --DesireCampbell 16:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, there is one small issue that I would like to bring up - the use of the {{nihongo}} template for Grandpa Son Gohan. From what I understand about it now, it should really be used only in such cases where a real English word comes first and then the kanji and Japanese reading come in brackets, i.e.: captain (隊長 taichō). In this case, his surname (Son) comes before his given name (Gohan) and it seems that we'll have to add jiichan/grandpa (じいさん) before his easternized name (孫 悟飯) Son Gohan. What do you think mon ami? Power level (Dragon Ball) 19:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmm. I think the best thing to do would be to leave the first sentence as is (well, actually, I'll change it to 'Grandpa Son Gohan' now), as it reflects the article name - but we should add a sentence in the first paragraph about why he's called 'Grandpa'. Actually, I do all that now. --DesireCampbell 19:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I just really wanna say that, I really think you're cool Desire;} I hope we work together to accomplish our goal, which is, to fix all of the Dragon Ball articles. Power level (Dragon Ball) 19:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks PL, I think we can too. Well, I think we can try :P --DesireCampbell 19:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Um, Yuser31415 closed the poll (again), now what? Could you explain to him the reason why you opened it in the first place? Maybe he'll understand... Power level (Dragon Ball) 20:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Already done. He obviously didn't read the Talk. That just really pisses me off. --DesireCampbell 20:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Apparently, Yuser31415 and this administrator here have claimed in the past that polling is evil and Yuser said recently that "Wikipedia is not a Democracy", therefore, in his and the other guy's opinion, polls shouldn't be used as a way to reach consensus. Yuser has been told by Royalguard11 here that polls are explicitly allowed and that it has nothing to do with "Wikipedia is not a Democracy", as Yuser claimed. Personally, I find no reason as to why polls (along with discussions) can't usually be used as a means to find consensus, hence, I think its' their personal opinions that makes it unbecoming. Know what I mean? Power level (Dragon Ball) 20:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, once a poll is wrongfully closed, can it be re-opened? I would open it up again, but I shouldn't since you were the one who began the new survey in the first place, so you should re-open it instead. Just a suggestion... Power level (Dragon Ball) 20:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

There's no reason why polls shouldn't be used - they are ingrained into the way Wikipedia works. Polls are one viable way of reaching a decision, discussion is another. Both have their place.

But that's not the point here. He closed a poll without cause. He cited 'polls are evil' (which isn't ever cause to close a poll) and told us to discuss the issue instead. We had been discussing, and reached a consensus. He was wrong to close the poll. My comment on his Talk Page has been up for more than half an hour. If he comments or edits another page before answering me, or if he fails to answer by 6:30 (Atlantic Standard Time, another hour and a half) I am un-closing the poll. --DesireCampbell 20:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. Power level (Dragon Ball) 21:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

We got a problem here again... (Will it never end?!) Power level (Dragon Ball) 21:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi. I'm the admin who would have probably dealt with this proposed move anyway. I would suggest leaving the poll closed until Yuser31415 replies to your post on his talk page, or to my post in the same place. I find the early closing of the poll to be strange, but simply re-opening it is the wrong approach.

It seems to me that there were actual reasons given to oppose the move, but when it came time for a poll, those opposing for those reasons didn't care to repeat them, imagining the poll to be a numbers game, which can be settled simply by "voting". (This is a common misunderstanding, and it's why we say "polls are evil".)

I've left a note at Talk:Grandpa Gohan, attempting to reach a solution to this page-move question. Perhaps I'll see you there. -GTBacchus^(talk) 21:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I have just lefted a good explanation on the respective talk page as to why the character should be called Grandpa Son Gohan. Desire, is there anything else you can add there to explain why his name should be Grandpa Son Gohan? Power level (Dragon Ball) 21:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I hope this Talk:Grandpa Gohan#His Complete Name explains everything. Power level (Dragon Ball) 23:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

This is sooooooo annoying, isn't it? Anyways, I contacted the three users who were against it without an explanation. What should we do now mon ami?... ... Power level (Dragon Ball) 01:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply

I have replied on my talk page. Pardon me if I don't reply immediately, I am a little busy at the moment. Yuser31415 01:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I replied again to your last comment. Yuser31415 03:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

In order to prevent these disputes from happening again and again

Listen, there's actually a way from preventing this from happening almost all the time, ya know. See, according to GTBacchus when he posted Talk:Grandpa Gohan#Long-term solution, GTBacchus suggested that we begin a new policy by us simply beginning to, and I quote, "...work out a consensus at WP:Anime, where you can take all of these examples into consideration, and then if you can get all (or most of) the articles in the project to be named consistently, according to whatever scheme, you might have a new guideline on your hands." - end quote.

Seriously, this seems like a rational idea to prevent these looooooong arguements from happening over and over. I feel that we're wasting too much time with this crap and we should really, really focus more on improving the encyclopedia, right Desire? A new policy seems nice and adequate obviously because this COMMONNAME guideline vs. ROMANIZATION guideline takes so long to get over with. As you and I have been told at least once or twice in the past, policy overcomes guideline. Meaning, guideline can not overcome policy no matter what unless there is some new consensus to contradict it (which is highly unlikely). If we start to work out a consensus on this matter and reach an agreement at WP:MANGA to create a new policy about romanizations and such, no one can combat it again with WP:Naming conventions of any kind. So, please, (I'm begging you!) consider beginning this new policy with me because it shall save time and time is of the essence. Remember that Wikipedia, the Dragon Ball related articles, and other articles need time to be used/wasted on improving them rather than using some of this time to solve these senseless naming convention arguements. Am I right or am I wrong here? Power level (Dragon Ball) 18:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

The thing is, depending on interpretation, the WP:Anime guidelines don't actually contradict any other guideline or policy. Rulings like "common name" and "English names" don't say anything about correctness of the name. It seems these guidelines assume all choices are correct. The WP:Anime guidelines specify which names to use. It makes it clear that because the article is about a piece of Japanese fiction, the article should be based on that. Obviously because of WP:Use_English we can't name articles in the original kana, so we must use a romanization. Because of WP:COMMONNAME, we opt to use the most common (ostensibly, official) romanization instead of more accurate ones. If such romanizations are unavailable, then we are forced to use English adaptation names (WP:Anime includes a provision to exclude them if they are egregiously wrong).

The WP:Anime's guidelines don't contradict anything 'higher' rulings, they are merely a specific application of them. That said, I think getting the WP:Anime's guidelines recognized as an official guideline would help greatly - that said, I'm a bit short on time at the moment, so I can't devote really any time to it. It might be satisfactory to write up an essay detailing why we would use such guidelines an why our choices are not contradictory to other guidelines. --DesireCampbell 18:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, whatever works for now. I guess I'll have to do something about it then... Power level (Dragon Ball) 18:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

PL (DB) Comment

When you can, see Talk:Power level (Dragon Ball)#Okay, let's get these power levels right!, thanks! Power level (Dragon Ball) 18:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Bardock: The Father of Goku

Hi, it's me Power level again. I'm not trying to annoy you in any way just to let ya know. It's just that this has been bothering me:

Why is the kanji title for the article on the Japanese Wikipedia ドラゴンボールZ たったひとりの最終決戦～フリーザに挑んだZ戦士 孫悟空の父～ which translates (using a translator) to: Dragon ball Z the father ~ of the Z soldier grandchild Sato sky which challenges to alone the last decisive battle ~ freezer which passes.?

On the English Wikipedia for "Bardock: The Father of Goku", it says below in the text that the original name is: A Lonesome, Final Battle: The Father of the Z-Warrior Son Goku, who Challenged Freeza and that has the kanji written out as たったひとりの最終決戦　〜フリーザに挑んだZ戦士孫悟空の父〜

See the difference? I really can't tell which one's the right one Desire. Any thoughts? Power level (Dragon Ball) 03:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The kana " ドラゴンボールZ " means "Dragon Ball Z" (it's katakana used to represent the English words "Dragon" and "Ball" and "Z"). It really shouldn't be added, as it's not part of the title (as seen on the title card), though "Dragon Ball Z" may have been used in programming guides durring it's original broadcast (as this was a tv special not a feature film).

The rest is just a translation issue. "Sato Sky" is "Goku" - the kana in his name translates to "sato" (a type of rice) and "sky". "Z senshi" (Z戦士) means "Z warrior" or "Z soldier". The rest is probably just a sloppy, or incredibly direct translation. --DesireCampbell 05:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I ask for you opinion, in this matter

Hi there, lately I have encountered a certain user User:Jrapidfire that has really made my work to keep some Broly: The Second Coming speculation free really hard, he keeps adding original research to pages in a very fanboy like manner (see the second coming's talk page to have an idea), do you think we should ask someone to at ban him for at least some time, since he was warned already both on his Talk page and article disscusion, just asking the opinion of a fellow member of our Wikiproject-Dark Dragon Flame 06:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Seems to be being handled as best it can. I doubt we'll get him to understand that he's wrong, though. He'll either stop making the edits, or he'll have to be blocked. I'll watch the page too, to lend a hand. --DesireCampbell 06:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your time -Dark Dragon Flame 06:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

FYI - he's mostly editing without signing in - from here. --DesireCampbell 06:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on the IP address too, see you around-Dark Dragon Flame 06:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Desire, I'm curious; you claimed that ya didn't have the Bardock movie, right? I'm sure you remember this comment that ya posted on Burdock's talk page a while back: "Is it that you doubt the subtitle track says "Burdock"? [1] [2]". How'd you get those scans (or at least the Burdock scan) if you said you didn't have the movie on the Talk:PL (DB)? Power level (Dragon Ball) 18:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I got it the same way I get most information: asking others. I'm a regular poster at the forums for the popular fan-website Daizenshuu EX. I can ask a question and expect excellent responses within hours (at peak times, within seconds). Everyone there's a big fan, and glad to help out anyone with questions. Many prominent posters have very niche expertise: there's a couple who are complete videophiles, there's a guy who's cataloging all the Head Chala versions, several native Japanese speakers (which is where I get all my Japanese translation help), even Steven "Daimao" Simmonds posts there occasionally. --DesireCampbell 19:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Just curious, what's your name at Daizenshuu EX? Power level (Dragon Ball) 17:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, haha, "DesireCampbell". It's actually my real name - and I use it everywhere (though, sporatically, I'll use simply "Campbell"). Yeah, me = unimaginative. --DesireCampbell 17:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I saw your picture on the forum!!! You wear glasses too, huh? Also, were you born in 1986 like me? Power level (Dragon Ball) 18:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

We're almost twins. --DesireCampbell 18:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

lol ;) Power level (Dragon Ball)

I posted this message [3] to VegettoEX a while ago and he never responded. I wonder if you may know the answer to it. On Jan. 13, 2007 at 8:42 p.m., on the Daiz' forum at talk:Worst Change and the Best Change you (coincedentally it was you) posted somehat the answer I've always wanted to know for two years:

"In all seriousness though, the worst change in direction would probably be the (apparent) change from Freeza being the ending. As it's been brought up before, that ending (everyone dead, Goku being the legendary Super Saiyan, no dragonballs) would have been much more powerful than the continuation of the series. Though, I'd probably have to say it's the best change as well. If the series ended with Freeza there would be so much less to the series that it wouldn't have the 'epic' feel it does today (sure, it'd be 250 episodes, but not the 500 we have now)."

You remember this message of yours, right? However, what was the original script exactly though, word for word? I'm trying to find it out for good. Power level (Dragon Ball) 18:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh that. It's one of those generally accepted ideas, like Shakespeare's sonnets being about someone he'd been having an affair with. We've no hard evidence - but looking at the the story we can clearly see that Freeza was meant to be the final villain. The Grand Elder's "death of a broken heart", Piccolo's "near death", etc. We know that Toriyama was under great pressure from his editors while writing the series. Toriyama comments in interviews that he initially wanted to end the series after the first budokai but continued anyway - he's commented on how he initially wanted 19 & 20 to be the main villains of the third Z saga, but his editors didn't like them so he made 17 & 18, then he introduced Cell, and his editors didn't like how he looked so Toriyama came up with his second form, which they didn't like either, so he came up with a "perfect" form.

I could go on with more examples - but it doesn't really matter. It's unverifiable, and thus we can't include it in Wikipedia. --DesireCampbell 18:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I know you and User:Dark Dragon Flame has has talks about this Jrapidfire person but go to Broly: Second Coming talk page and see what this Jrapidfire has done if it is still on there. He has got himself a full banned from site issues.

Heat P 22:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey there, I notified the administrators about Jrapidfire's conduct on the WP:AN/I since he does not stop adding vandalism and began using direct personal attacks, if you think something besides what I wrote is needed please add it, thanks for your time --Dark Dragon Flame 00:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

DDF, good job. I was going to do the same thing myself - but you've got it covered. --DesireCampbell 04:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey Desire (its Power level), its not that I wanted to add any of that original ending stuff to Wikipedia, it's just that I've been wanting to know it for myself for years. Where is VegettoEx anyways? I'm sure he knows what the original intended ending by Toriyama was for Dragon Ball Z, right? Power level (Dragon Ball) 01:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, it's kind of a long story, and I'm not the best to tell it. I suggest asking over on the forum. They'll be able to answer better than me. (Remember grammar, grammar!) --DesireCampbell 04:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll admit it, I am hesitant about signing up to Daizenshuu EX. I've read pretty much all of the Dragon Ball "what if's?", "questions", "opinions", etc., of other users at the forum. Truth is, all I really wanna know is the answer to that one question. I feel stupid signing up just to ask for one thing. I'll wait 'til VegettoEX logs back on Wikipedia. I'm sure he has the answer I'm lookin' for. To rephrase my question, I've just always been wanting to know how the Freeza Saga was gonna end originally. Was the master plan by King Kai and Kami-Sama to wish back those killed on Namek gonna fail? Was Piccolo initially supposed to be killed by that Furiza Bimu (Freeza Beam)? Was Gohan and Bulma supposed to escape the planet but Super Saiyan Goku didn't and so he was killed along with Freeza by Namek's explosion? Was there even an original script to end the Freeza Saga? That's all I want to know specifically by someone who knows. By the way, I really couldn't find the answer I was lookin' for at the forum. Maybe if you could post it (if you want to, that is, I'm not gonna ask you to do it for me. I can wait 'til VegettoEX helps me out) see ya - Power level (Dragon Ball) 15:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, if you're waiting for EX to come back to Wikipedia, you might have to wait a while. In the meantime, I'll try and cover the bases quickly:

• The "original" ending for the Freeza saga (again, remember this is only speculation) was for Goku to become the legendary Super Saiyan, defeat Freeza, and die. Leaving Gohan to defend Earth by himself without the aid of Dragon Balls. It would be a somber, more powerful ending.
• We can see, pretty clearly, that some events in the Freeza saga were 'tacked on'. The most important are the deaths of the Grand Elder and Piccolo. The Grand Elder's death "of a broken heart" is obviously tacked on so that they could bring him back to life with Shenlong. Similarly, Piccolo was shot by Freeza and just dropped. Again, declaring him alive soon after seems awfully strange.
• If the Grand Elder and Piccolo stayed dead, then there'd be no way to resurrect Ten, Choatzu, Yamcha, Kuririn, or Vegeta -Gohan would be the only Z fighter left.
• Without these changes, Bulma and Gohan would probably have taken their ship (or another available ship) back to Earth before Namek exploded. Goku would have battled Freeza until the planet's end.

At least, that's the general idea. --DesireCampbell 16:51, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, to answer your questions directly:

Kaio's plan: probably would never have happened.

Piccolo + Freeza Beam = dead Piccolo and Kami

Gohan and Bulma had ample time to leave the planet before it's explosion. They could've taken their ship, Goku's ship, or any of the Ginyu force pods.

Original script - no, Toriyama made few notes about his work (indeed, planning too far ahead isn't really his thing). What you see in the manga is the only information we have. --DesireCampbell 16:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

So where was it once famously stated by Toriyama that he intended to end the DBZ series at the Freeza Saga? I've seen it before on some popular website long ago (it was either myfavoritegames.com or db-unlimited.net or something else?...)

Or was it really just speculation about such a statement that made its' way to the internet? Power level (Dragon Ball) 18:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I know that in an interview Toriyama's said he intended to end Dragon Ball after the 22nd Budokai - but I don't think he's ever said anything about ending it elsewhere.

This is all little more than speculation. Granted, it's seems fairly competent speculation, but there's no real proof. --DesireCampbell 18:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm guessing that you don't remember where ya heard that Toriyama intended to end the series after the 21st or 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai? Power level (Dragon Ball) 18:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Jrapidfire

Jrapidfire has been blocked for 24 hours after I filed a report here. See his LOG -- bulletproof ^3:16 19:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Excellent. Hopefully he'll become a productive and helpful editor. --DesireCampbell 20:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

He won't see his talk page, he just made an personal attack aganist you --Dark Dragon Flame 21:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I doubt he'll ever turn into a decent contributor, so keep an eye on him, and report him to WP:ANI if he continues after his block expires. Yuser31415 23:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Jerks on the Internet hurt my feelings *cries* --DesireCampbell 01:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

DDF

Just a little question when you wrote on theWP:DBZ's talk page about adding a section on his name you meant the origin of his name in comparison to Sun Wukong of Journey to the West right? --Dark Dragon Flame 03:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. :) --DesireCampbell 03:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey man. Shall we get started on taking care of this matter → User talk:Jessica Ingmann#World Martial Arts Tournament Announcer (Dragon Ball). The announcer's article was redirected to List of Humans in Dragon Ball by another user but I think it deserves to have a main page. What do ya think? Also Onikage725 moved Tenkaichi Budokai to another name. What should be the correct name for that article also? So much to do... Power level (Dragon Ball) 21:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Yo, PL - just a quick reply: the Tenka'ichi Budokai should be spelled (macrons, punctuations, etc) however it is spelled on the subtitle track from the Funi DVDs. I assume that it's spelled "Tenkaichi Budokai", but someone should check. You should ask on the WP:DBZ Talk page. I know Chibi Gohan, or someone else, has the appropriate discs.

Again, we use official spellings over more correct ones because that's what the WP:Anime guidelines say we should. As long as the official name isn't "wrong", we should use it because it's almost assuredly more recognizable. Non-standard romanizations are fine (Budokai, instaed of Budōkai), complete changes aren't (Flying Nimbus, instead of Kintoun).

--DesireCampbell 140.184.92.165 20:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey buddy! Thanks for your response. On the FUNi DVD they spell it as "Tenkaichi Tournament" on the Japanese audio with English subtitles. I'd show you a couple scans, but my computer is too old and can't print screens. It's just that Tenkaichi Budokai is spelled differently all over the Dragon Ball related articles. So many fixes to do... even this has been bothering me [4]. Uh, I'm gonna take a break. Be back later... Power level (Dragon Ball) 17:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Made a comment on that Technique list Talk - that's a page I've been avoiding actually - there's a lot of work to do there. The name thing is something that really needs to be handled first. We need to get a discussion going on the WP:DBZ Talk about it. Get a good, solid guideline together. I'd really like to see how everyone feels about using Daimao's subs - I can't imagine that there'd be any resistence to it, though.

I'm just sorry I can't do much right now. My motherboard's dead - I'm actually at a public terminal right now. It'll be a week or so before I'm up and running again. *sigh* --DesireCampbell 140.184.92.161 18:35, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

A new Dragon Ball attack list

Whenever you can, please see Talk:List of Dragon Ball special abilities#Garlic Gun. If you see that Garlic Gun there, that is just a sample of how the techniques should be classified and titled. I am going to change all of the techniques on the list (except Kamehameha, Dodonpa, Genki Dama, Kaio Ken and any others that were used as romaji names in the English manga/anime) into their literal English translation in about five days from now. This change will be similar as to how Bardock was changed to Burdock (name pun) and Hercule to Mr. Satan (which was his original Japanese/romaji name). Please comment on anything else if you have something you may want to add on to it. Thanks! Power level (Dragon Ball) 22:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

What are you proposing then? Should all of the techniques go back to the way they were before? Also, is your motherboard workin'? Power level (Dragon Ball) 16:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with the article in question - nor am I familiar with how Daimao has translated or romanized the attack names. I don't know what the article had been using, nor do I know what it's using now. I just saw the discussion about changing the names based on what someone thought was a better spelling, or a better translation.

What you or I think is the "proper" spelling or translation is not at issue - we always use the official romanizations for names. Attack names are no exception. --DesireCampbell 22:21, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and yeah, my mobo died, then my cpu died (so my replacement mobo was useless), so now I'm using an acquaintance's mobo and cpu. --DesireCampbell 22:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

It has been a while, Welcome back! -Dark Dragon Flame 23:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Desire, I'm tryin' to point out to you (and everyone else) that a list of romanized techniques is confusing. How else should we go about it? I'm tired of saying the same old explanation. Can you give at least an example of what you're envisioning? If you're asking for an example like Special Beam Cannon to be written there instead of Penetrating Light... (whatever), then that's not needed. Why you ask? Special Beam Cannon will already be mentioned in the box where it says: Manga name: Light of Death (whatever), Anime name: Special Beam Cannon. Do you understand? Power level (Dragon Ball) 03:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I thought I was quite clear about it: use the names given to the attacks, as translated on the Funimation Japanese language subtitles. If the attack is translated, use that term. If the attack name is left, simply, romanized, then use that.

This shouldn't be so confusing. The most widely available English version of the series is the Funimation home distributions. All these DVDs come with the original Japanese audio, and accurate translations. Using any other source would be confusing. --DesireCampbell 05:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

If what you say is true, then yeah, I support this crazy old man's Japanese language subtitles. First off, you need to reach new consensus on the respective talk page before opening a survey or poll. But wait, can you list a few examples of the translated moves that Daimao no Jiichan ("Old Man Daimao") used in the Japanese audio that was subtitled in English? Power level (Dragon Ball) 04:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... I can't, actually. I own few discs at the moment, and none with me. My point wasn't that I agree with Simmons' translations (there are a few I disagree with), my point was that we are compelled to use them anyway.

For the technique list, I don't know how Daimao does them. I'm not sure if he leaves the names romanized or if he translates them. I would prefer romanized names, but the guidelines stippulate that we should use "offical names', not 'what Desire thinks is best'. :P --DesireCampbell 18:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm just doing similarly what you did for "Bardock" to be "Burdock (Dragon Ball)" and what I did (twice) for "Hercule (Dragon Ball)" to be moved to "Mr. Satan". Pretty much, yeah, we're romanizing the names, but, we're keeping them in English to make it simpler to track down a move/technique/skill and understand what the name originally is. Wikipedia uses English, right? I mean, you don't wanna have to look up a list of techniques from a show and see something like:

Ablrazoul ken

Gyarriki Ou no Jutsu

Olula Bimu

Yukirachika

Get what I mean? You wouldn't believe the look on people's faces when they just so happen to see a list of what appears to be Japanese names, or something wicked. I'm just trying to make it easier for everybody. Get it? Power level (Dragon Ball) 06:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Your reasons for translating the names are, as best as I can follow:

1. It will make it easier for people to look up attacks.

• • No it won't. You're using translations that noone has ever heard of before. "Demonic Penetrating Light Death Cannont"? Oh yeah. That's really what people are going to try and find.

1. Japanese scares people.

• • Dragon Ball was written in Japanese, by a native of Japan, and initially published in Japan. You've got to expect some Japanese when looking up information. Further, the original Japanese version isn't some weird, unavailable thing for most English speakers - it's just as easily available as the newest Funi dub.

1. We're still romanizing.

• • Uh, no. Romanization is the transliteration of a foreign language word into English. For example, "Son Goku" is the romanization for the Japanese pronunciation of 孫悟空. Romanization is putting kana into Latin letters so the average English speaker can read them.

There's absolutely no reason to translate the names. I've explained time and time again how and why we names things the way we do. It's a balance between accuracy and popularity. Using the direct romanizations would be most accurate, using the most well known names would be popular. We use the official Japanese script translations as available on all English home release DVDs. This option is neither perfectly accurate, nor the absolutely most popular - but it's far more accurate than anything more popular, and far more popular than anything more accurate. --DesireCampbell 20:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Raditz

Just letting you know that this article was nominated for deletion, your opinion is appreciated in this matter, please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Raditz, thanks for your time! -Dark Dragon Flame 00:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, where was it discussed and agreed by the community that Burdock would be redirected by Nemu as of now? I can't find it, per say. Power level (Dragon Ball) 02:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

It was on the list to be merged. I removed it after it was. Nemu 02:37, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, ok then. Power level (Dragon Ball) 04:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Dragonball Wiki

• Hi there. I noticed you're a member of Wikiproject Dragonball, and I'm trying to recruit some people from that to contribute to the Dragon Ball Wiki. It's in terrible shape right now with pretty much no consistency or policies, and only this week have I been able to get Angela and Sannse to create some Forums for us over there. I've got a proposed Manual of Style going over there and would like some people to contribute to that to set up some policies and start making the wiki bigger, better, and more intelligible/consistent. If you're interested, please hop on over or talk to me. Thanks for the time, whether you're interested or not. Wildyoda 02:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Garlic Jr.

Hey, where is Garlic Jr. from? I know he drew his power from Makyo-sei, but isn't he a demon from Hell or some other dimension? I'm only asking you this because he is placed on the List of earthlings in Dragon Ball article and I doubt that he is an earthling. What do you think? Power level (Dragon Ball) 06:02, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For your contributions to WikiProject Dragon Ball and other related pages, SUIT-n-tie 08:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Devil May Cry

Hey there I recently suggested the creation of a new WikiProject based on Devil May Cry, and I was wondering if you might be interested in supporting us, if you are please sing the Interested Wikipedians section on the Devil May Cry entry here, thanks for your time. -Dark Dragon Flame 08:59, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

List of Saiyans in Dragon Ball#Burdock

I really need your help man. I'm tryin' to get the Burdock links to work, but they're just messed up since I can't get em to link properly. I really need your help there Desire. Thanks! Power level (Dragon Ball) 22:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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