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Need a reference for Jim Raynor

"Blizzard Entertainment has since explained that Clotworthy is willing to return, and they understand the fan connection to his work, but they also enjoy the new voice actor they've found, and the final decision has not been made yet."

Do you remember where you got that from? I really need to get that referenced. -- Sabre (talk) 18:38, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

It still exists, it just moved house. I just need those transcripts back up to fix the appearances references. I'm trying to sort out the article so that as soon as the transcripts go back up, I can happily submit Raynor's article to GAN. I didn't think it would take this long to sort out though, its been months and its only only been restored to the first few missions of Ep2. The lack of those transcripts is holding back progress on at least six articles - Kerrigan and Raynor need theirs fixed to submit to GA, Species of StarCraft needs them before it can be moved out, Brood War needs it for GA submission, StarCraft series needs it for the story section until Blizzard releases the second part of their summary and the StarCraft article itself needs it to maintain its FA status (how it ever got it I'll never know). Not to mention the need to fix the references on the Characters and minor characters articles. -- Sabre (talk) 20:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

By the way, your thoughts on the new picture? I just thought that since we just got given a nice high res mugshot of his in-game appearance, we might as well use it. -- Sabre (talk) 21:21, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I just tried something else with the image after looking at how User:David Fuchs did the images for Cortana and Master Chief (Halo). Its meant to merge nicely with the infobox. What do you think? -- Sabre (talk) 19:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm also going to see if I can't split the development section to create a "character design" and an "attributes" section, going by the two aforementioned articles. They are, after all, the only two individual VG characters that have made FA. -- Sabre (talk) 19:25, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Right, I've done the "attributions" section, short but to the point, and I've got the image up right. What do you think? Feel free to add anything I might have missed. -- Sabre (talk) 22:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

We can't fully see Raynor's hair in his SC portrait, so we should refrain from statements on whether he's bald or not, especially as all his SC1 concept art depicts him as having a full head of hair. As for Kerrigan, I've still yet to receive the new novel (Amazon says its out of stock, still), so I can't do anything in relation to that.-- Sabre (talk) 10:47, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Kerrigan refs

I'm fairly content that the content for Sarah Kerrigan is sufficient for a GAN, its just a matter of sorting references out. I've reworked the appearances section based on some other VG FA's, and David Fuchs kindly gave it a look over to see if it could be compressed any further. I'll move back to Jim Raynor and give him similar treatment. However, I need your help for some references for Kerrigan's article, namely because you've got Shadow Hunters and I don't:

• "Kerrigan sends Zerg to its location, infesting the half-dead body of a Dominion mercenary, Ethan Stewart." - What chapter and page number(s) does the infestation take place?
• "inadvertently raises the suspicions of Arcturus Mengsk, who wonders what could have motivated it" - what chapter and page number(s) first shows Mengsk taking note of this?

In addition, do you have the ebook version of Uprising? I'd prefer to use references to the original instead of those in the SC Archive compilation. Thanks. -- Sabre (talk) 11:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Right, thanks. I've got them into the article. I also updated the references to Uprising using the pages from the SC Archive, they'll do fine: the original page numbers aren't massively necessary. -- Sabre (talk) 14:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

But he was Dominion employed right? He was working for Valerian? (I'm still working soley from Firstborn here) -- Sabre (talk) 14:36, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I've added in "Dominion-funded black marketeer", otherwise the significance of the character is lost in such a short description. The fact its not directly and openly funded is a bit too much detail for his character in Kerrigan's article. -- Sabre (talk) 14:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I've put the article in for GAN (I've updated the transcript urls to where they should be, even though they're incomplete), there's really not much more that can be done with it until new information presents itself now. -- Sabre (talk) 15:31, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

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Characters of StarCraft FAC

Characters of StarCraft has been nominated for Featured Article status. Good luck! FightingStreet (talk) 18:17, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Mythbusters accidents

Good day, o unspecified reptilian! I was checking back to the MythBusters article history for the injuries section which you removed here. I personally don't agree with the term "encyclopedic" as there seems to have never been any clear definition and saying that something should be removed as unencyclopedic is a tautology. Nonetheless, that level of detail does not belong in an overview, so thanks.

What do you say about creating an appropriate place for such information by adding a section to each of the episode lists? I checked featured episode lists for several other shows, and they had room for information beyond episode summaries. Granted, mishaps would be meaningless details in any sane show, but MythBusters is fundamentally based on watching irresponsible people screw around with gadgets, which makes mishaps highly relevant occurances that still aren't too common to list, as explosions would be. --Kizor 21:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I agree with the section's removal as it then stood. I tracked down the edit to see what had happened to the section, and then asked for your input about the possibility of improvement since the edit showed that you had been active on the subject. Thanks for said input, I shall indeed go nuts. --Kizor 22:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

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RE:character images

I'm going to look into a two or three screenshots that show multiple characters, as that allows for a few characters in a single image: that's what other character articles do when there isn't a single image that shows every major character. The Brood War cinematics ones with DuGalle and Stukov, and Artanis and Zeratul potentials. What I'd really like is a shot of Raynor and Zeratul from the single player demonstration video. Mind looking into that for me? -- Sabre (talk) 14:54, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'll make do with the two Brood War cinematics that show more than one character. They should suffice until we get a good SC2 shot.

Unfortunately the two images I put up are the best I can do with the original cinematics. They're rather bad, but until SC2 reveals a decent group screenshot they'll have to suffice. -- Sabre (talk) 15:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Species of StarCraft

I'm considering throwing in the towel with the current version of User:S@bre/Species of StarCraft. Its still far too bloated with story-based detail, this time because of the factions. I'm looking into a new structure for the article, one that can significantly decrease the amount of "cruft" I've written in it, I think that I may be able to modify the structure used by Elite (Halo) for use here. It will include appearances sections, but looking at how that article does it, it won't contain any major plot information. The factions will have to be summarised in "society" sections, having individual sections makes it too bloated and less encyclopedic value. Unfortunate, but I was hoping to have this article done a long time ago, and it just doesn't seem to be working in its current form. -- 09:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I've put up the new structure. Means having to start afresh with the content, but I feel far more optimistic about this draft. -- Sabre (talk) 14:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

By the way, thanks for that WikiDragon thing. I won't put it up right now, but I'll hold on to it for later. Besides, I don't fulfil all the criteria, I'm not being hunted by an angry crowd with pitchforks. Well, not yet. -- Sabre (talk) 17:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I've got together the bulk of text for User:S@bre/Species of StarCraft. I just need to do the reception section, deal with the referencing and upload the images and its done. Feel free to give it a look over. I may need to borrow you for referencing any points from Queen of Blades or Nova, as my copies are currently lent out. It'll be the same deal as last time, chapters and page numbers for particular bits. But if all goes to plan, it should be done within days! -- Sabre (talk) 15:08, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

"Construction is done...

... good enough for army work."

The Species of StarCraft article is in the mainspace. It is up. It is done. It has images, properly rationaled and editted specifically for the article. It has all seven million redirects from Protoss, Zerg, Terran, Xel'Naga and Psionic Technology pointing at it. I was sorting up to five redirects a minute according to my contributions...

I'm going to collapse now. -- Sabre (talk) 11:19, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Names...

I think it was your question at WP:EA, but I only saw the user name out of the corner of my eye and thought, "I wonder what the story is behind the username 'The Chewed One'?"   :-)   And so I know to quit for the day. Shenme (talk) 09:05, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Plot citations

I have been considering that, but it would be a really long and hard effort to quote the necessary bits from looking at the game and bringing it to here. What I really need is some transcripts to work from to get the quotes - a bit of a vicious circle, but access to transcripts would make the job much easier. If you know of anywhere where full transcripts are kept (it doesn't need to have the nice layout that SCL takes, as long as it has the text in English), I can get the quotes together easily and efficiently, as opposed to alt-tabbing out of the game to note down dialogue in notepad and replaying briefings over and over to get everything. StarCraft's storyline is great, its just awkward from this perspective as there is so much dialogue to it to cover.

On another note, the fan opposition to Species of StarCraft is much later than I expected it to be, although its always inevitable. Look back the histories the high quality fiction articles in WP:VG and it always seems to turn up sooner or later.

Few last things: 1) StarCraft: Ghost passed its GA - yay! I'm hoping to tackle Brood War next, the rewrite of the StarCraft article means its the only other one that is in need of cleanup to get to GA. 2) I'm not sure if you knew, but as part of a proposal over at WP:VG, a bunch of old inactive wikiprojects got merged into the main wikiproject as task forces. I took the liberty of incorporating that old SC wikiproject that never got going into it a while back, you can find it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/StarCraft. The Warcraft wikiproject also got taken in by Jacoplane. -- Sabre (talk) 22:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Sources

I'm just on my way out but later today I'll have a peak through and see. Its nothing personal against your article but there is a bias on certain topics (video games, internet trends, sites, etc) that using less than reliable sources is okay because there just isn't anything else. If we tried to do that for other topics people would roast us there. All articles have to be held to the same standard.--Crossmr (talk) 01:48, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I was a tad slow there. The geocities reference definitely has to come out. No way no how that belongs in there. The iasig tell me more about this. It seems to be some kind of professional group, but where did this interview come from? The gamespot links are fine. The lostworlds is definitely a primary source fansite and can't be used to cite those things. His information may be correct but we can't cite it. Unless there is evidence this guy is a published expert in the field.--Crossmr (talk) 05:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

If there are primary sources from the developers use those. The notability of the subject is not in question. secondary are preferred, but primary can be fine in these cases. If there aren't even primary sources on this (developer journals, etc) then it just simply means the information really isn't notable enough to cover in the article. if the only people who care about aspect X of subject Y are the fansites, its probably not suitable for the encyclopedia. remember the articles are written for the general public, not the fans.--Crossmr (talk) 06:12, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah okay. Primary sources are sources created by the subject themselves. In the case of a game, it would things like press releases, developer journals (or extras on a bonus DVD), the game itself (As can be seen by the general public, we're not talking about the underlying code), the official website for the game (not forums, unless citing official statements made by the developer/publisher which are similar to press releases). Secondary sources are things like newspaper articles, reviews and news from a site like gamespot or pc gamer magazine, articles in wired, etc. Typically we prefer secondary sources as primary sources can sometimes be self-serving. Press releases are often written to make the subject sound really great. Both are considered reliable yet we often take primary sources with a grain of salt if there is any contentious material. So if the developer or publisher has made any developer journals, or bonus material released with the game that might cover some of this you can use it. The one thing with fansites is that they often got the information somewhere. Magazine articles, from the publishers website a long time ago (with a game this old it may have changed). If you want to cite something previously on a website that no longer exists, use [1] it caches earlier versions of websites. Have you tried directly contacting any of the fansites who had information you want to site to find out where they got it? As for other editors, the video game project is probably your best bet.--Crossmr (talk) 06:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I'll point out the above fellow is by no means an expert. But I digress. Primary sources are things directly from the devs of a game, stuff they say in their development blogs and whatnot. You'll probably be hard pressed to find material in such though covering material they didn't include in the game: speaking from personal experience, some devs can be pretty tight lipped and only talk about such subjects through private uncitable means :\ If you wish to cite something in the article that was unused but harder to note, consider one important thing: is the related material important enough to have an impact on the reader even if they know nothing about the game? Stuff like unused data that wouldn't have a big impact on a reader could probably be covered under a few sentences with any reliable source that even just vaguely points out "it's there." Something akin to a full blown extra mode or alternate ending are a different caliber, though such should be citable somewhere too. I'm generally pretty busy, but you can reach me on my talk page and I'll try to lend a hand to an extent.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 06:28, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I can see where this would be a problem...you should be fine with linking to that site as a reference for a GA-class article, just be prepared up front to make your case for it, and also find anything buffering even the website's reliability: this had to be significant to some third party and covered even briefly, and even if it's just the site that's being verified, that's a big buffer. I'd say go with this for now. If there's a complaint or an edit, express that the reference is temporary or until you can have the material verified better given the weight necessary for the article. That's not unheard of. If the matter is pushed further, I can point you to a few folks that can help you out, and the video game project's talk page might be a good stop as well if it gets too annoying (after all you're linking to it during the article's construction, which still has a ways to go to GA, and if an editor can't fully grasp that they're handling it wrong).

I really hope that helps...can you cite the material directly in any form? Data filenames and things like that on the disc? Or in the case of vocal elements, a transcripted quote?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 06:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Citing the filename of the fmv, even if it's just in the game's archive structure, would set you *leagues* ahead, that's for sure...I remember too there was an interview in I think Computer Gaming which talked about this, where one woman in charge of the development talked about how the game was cut out and meant to be different. I don't think I have that issue anymore though.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Then go with that. Searching around for modding tools may help with getting the files open for viewing/listening: if that guy can access them, there has to be some means for the general public to too usually.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:07, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Guessing you already gave this a go as well, correct?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:12, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Adding this to support that as well.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:16, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you can site the magazine without the publication date. Basically you just need something to identify the individual issue (month, volume number, etc) so they know which one you're referencing. For the template see WP:CITE which has a lot of information on how to cite things and this page Wikipedia:Citation_templates has a complete explanation of all the various templates.--Crossmr (talk) 03:21, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Good luck!--Crossmr (talk) 21:46, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Re:Found Something

Aye, that should come in useful. Good find! -- Sabre (talk) 08:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Still haven't got anything back on that Metzen image though, despite sending another message a few days ago. Ah well, so much for "give me a couple of days". Guess I'll have to try somewhere else to get hold of a free image of him. -- Sabre (talk) 09:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Went to Blizzplanet, asked about a couple of images there. First one was copyrighted to Blizzard, but the second one was owned by Blizzplanet, and he gave me leave to upload it as a free image much quicker than I was expecting! -- Sabre (talk) 20:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, it looks good at a quick glance through, I can't imagine a quick-fail coming your way. A couple of optional pointers though: I'd recommend using {{VG Reviews}} instead of the table you've got there: entirely optional, but it makes it consistent with other articles. You could also to get rid of the "unknowns" in the references, just leaving their fields blank if the information isn't available to fill in. Good luck buddy, just hope you don't get a GA review like I had with StarCraft series if this is your first one where you're the only significant editor, I've never had such a long, enduring and inquisitive review as that one! -- Sabre (talk) 22:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I've put the template in for you, feel free to revert if you don't want it. At least it demonstates how to use it. -- Sabre (talk) 22:45, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Good luck! By the way, Species of StarCraft just passed its GAN, that just leaves Jim Raynor, the minor characters and the locations to finish up. Obviously the latter two will need extra work, but Jim Raynor shouldn't be far off. Chris Metzen's also at GAN, if he passes, he'll be the second GA for a video game-related person, behind Martin O'Donnell. -- Sabre (talk) 22:40, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Leroy

Thanks for finding that reference! People have been adding that fact over and over, its great we can finally stop reverting it! Metao (talk) 05:10, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Re:Metzen

Heh, now we're going for the ambitious one... Gary King and I are taking Ghost to FAC. This is new ground for the FAC process, as this is a game that's "cancelled, but not quite", meaning that no-one really knows what the heck's going on with it! We now have the task of trying to convince the FAC reviewers that the article is stable enough for a little gold star. -- Sabre (talk) 16:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

TSM

I suggest you watch the scene again because the house catches on fire. Marge runs back in to get the video tape and the kitchen is burning, her hair even catches fire. However, I think that they intend to kill them is better, so I'll leave it. Gran² 01:56, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

The List

I agree completely the only thing is that I was triing to get back was "The List" because that is a relevent thing for the plot that is important but I have a better idea and that is to just create another section for "The List". Go to The List (South Park) to see my change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackadam2 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

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Legacy of Kain

K I've taken a look at it and honestly, I think it's good to go for A-class. The only notes I have are as follows:

• There's an inline citation in the lead, which generally isn't required.

The sentence it supports is not repeated later in the article; why not? _{Previous comment added by The Clawed One}

• Are there any more secondary sources? It's a little light on them.

I fixed a few references that were missing details. — Levi van Tine (t – c) 07:46, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

The Clawed One, I started a bold copyedit and left a couple of queries in SGML comments (<!-- like this -->) where the meaning was unclear to me. You might want to take a look and clarify those points. I will try to finish the copyedit tomorrow, but, in any case I would recommend having the rest of text combed through by someone before A-class or FAC review. A common complex (and technically grammatically incorrect) construction that should be avoided is "with [noun] [verb]-ing"—e.g., "The game begins with Raziel approaching". I fixed this example, but others exist; check throughout the article. — TKD::{talk} 08:18, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Vantine84 (talk · contribs) brought up the citations and the secondary sources, but I'll address them. Citations are ecessary in the lead for contentious material (especially about living people)) and for quotes, but other things that are repeated in the body generally are fine without a citation in the lead. If I were writing the article anew, I probably would not have bothered to cite what you did in the lead, but it doesn't hurt, in my opinion, so I don't see much point in removing it. Objections could be stronger if the citation density were extremely high, which it isn't in this case.

As for secondary sources, see WP:PSTS. Primary sources are those that are close to the subject at hand. For video games, this usually means the game itself, the developer/publisher (or anyone else closely involved with the game), and anything closely related to the fiction itself or first-party viewpoints (including press releases, interviews, and instruction manuals). Secondary sources are one step removed from this. For video games, this usually means independent coverage and reviews. I have some access to ProQuest, so I can look for more coverage of the game. If I find anything good, I'll email you. — TKD::{talk} 01:11, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Yup, they're secondary. I'll still send you the additional reviews that I'm finding, in case you want to incorporate them. — TKD::{talk} 01:45, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Email sent. — TKD::{talk} 01:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I figured that there wasn't much new in terms of opinion, although they might come in handy if you ever need to resolve an issue about due weight (and you might want to add some brief mentions anyway for comprehensiveness, to show a cross-section of what the non-gaming-centric media thought). — TKD::{talk} 02:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

No problem. In some spots, I condensed quite a bit and/or rearranged things for flow; feel free to adjust as necessary. On a non-wording standpoint, I would recommend moving the reception of the audio out of the Audio section and into the Reception section proper, and then either listifying the voice actors remaining in that paragraph. There's too little other information to avoid a bland litany of prose, and thus a list seems justified here. — TKD::{talk} 03:40, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Also, as some technical points that I just noticed:

• Reference 27 needs more publication information (date, notably).
• For {{cite video game}}, the date parameter should be the publication date of the game, not the access date (the game doesn't change).
• Reference 20 needs a better author than "unknown"; "Gaming Intelligence Agency staff" should suffice.
• accessdate parameters are usually yyyy-mm-dd, but full date parameters are usually written as in running prose—e.g., either April 9, 2009 for this article because it's an American game.

— TKD::{talk} 03:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

It's reference 25 (Official PlayStation Magazine) now that textwas shuffled. I also said "notably" (as in, it's easy to notice that the date is missing), not "notability". :) — TKD::{talk} 04:23, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

←Ah; something like that would probably be questioned at FAC, per WP:CITE#SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT. I'd agree that what it adds is a minor point. (I just also noticed that Official PlayStation Magazine leads to a disambiguation page, another layer of problem with that reference; who knew that there were that many magazines with that name?) The other ref-related comment I have is that it might be difficult to defend game-ost.ru as a reliable source. Oh, and in case you're not sick of me dumping review stories on you, here's some stuff from Google News' archive. A couple of the stories mention some slight quirks with the camera controls, so perhaps that might be worthwhile to work in for NPOV balance. — TKD::{talk} 05:56, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll take another closer look soon. How reliable was the Gaming Intelligence Agency? Right now, it's being used to source the development delay, which is a major fact, but something like that should be present in multiple sources? I'm not saying that it absolutely needs to go, but if you keep it, you'll most likely need to justify at FAC why it's a reliable source. — TKD::{talk} 04:02, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

OK; that works for me (two of the ways to show reliability is that other reliable sources cite/recommend the source in question, and that they cite their own sources); just be prepared to argue that at FAC, because I imagine that most reviewers would be less familiar with GIA. Reliability aside, cross-checking sources is always good, so don't hesitate to add additional sources if you happen to see them. — TKD::{talk} 04:50, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I assume that this is the IGN citation that you're referring to? If so, yeah, it would be a good idea to add that as further evidence that the investigated cuts are reliable. — TKD::{talk} 04:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah; add it in. It's an additional layer of fact-checking (reliability), even if it doesn't have all of the details of the GIA source. — TKD::{talk} 05:24, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

The only thing that I see offhand is that the source dates should be in normal "month day, year" format (accessdates can remain as yyyy-mm-dd). — TKD::{talk} 15:26, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

That domain doesn't seem to exist? Did you type it correctly? — TKD::{talk} 10:34, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah; rateyourmusic, not rateyourownmusic. That site looks user-editable, so, no, it would not be reliable. However, I found this GameSpot blurb should suffice. I swapped it into the article already. — TKD::{talk} 23:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

←Nuitpicks that I noticed: Check for consistency of the capitalization of GameSpot; also, I noticed that the voice actor prose is still repetitive (thus failing 1(a) of WP:FA?). I'm not sure whether you understood me when I initially commented on that paragraph, but what I meant was to move the top-ten ranking statement alone to one of the existing paragraphs in the reception section, and rewrite the voice actor list as a plain bulleted list back in the audio section. And, oh yeah, good luck when you do submit to FAC. — TKD::{talk} 23:10, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. You shouldn't have too many lists in FAs, but, kept in check, they can be effective when you don't have too much to elaborate on for each item. — TKD::{talk} 23:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I've got a rephrasing of the paragraph format for the VAs if anyone at FA objects. The Clawed One (talk) 23:19, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Good luck. I need to read the entire article thoroughly one more time before I can support in good conscience, and I'll try to do that in the next couple days. — TKD::{talk} 23:41, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey The Clawed One, here are a few potentially-useful paragraphs from the OPM analysis - if there's anything more specific you want like comparisons to Tomb Raider, let me know.

"Soul Reaver tells the story of Ralzeil - one of six lieutenants to Kain, the evil main character of the first game, who rules the world at its end. [The vampires] force human slaves to build vast power stations to make smog that blocks out the sun. They've begun to evolve, but Ralzeil takes a step too far. He grows wings, enabling him to fly, before Kain does. Kain banishes Ralzeil to the spectral world and, after countless millennia, Ralzeil is released by The Elder. Thungs have changed since he was banished. The humans and mutants are quietly co-existing with the vampires and Kain and the lieutenants have evolved beyond all recognition, slipping out of the picture."

"Action and plot drives the player into showdowns with Ralzeil's 'brothers' - the other five lieutenants who have become huge gore-spattered nasties. In addition to this fearsome five are three clashes with Kain himself, making eight bosses to take on."

""The ultimate weapon in the game is once more the Soul Reaver sword. You get this after your first battle with Kain. It can be used in various ways by powering it up with different elements. Dipping the Soul Reaver into fire, water, ice and so on gives it different abilities which certain bad guys or obstacles are vulnerable to," offers Rosaura."

""The other four tricks to learn are wall climbing, swimming, constriction (where running around an object or enemy binds it with a force field), and the ability to warp between the material and specteal planes at will (vital for later time and space-related puzzles," tempts Rosaura."

The interviewer's name is given as Daniel Griffiths. Issue - 42, date - Feb 1999. Monere (talk) 16:35, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

No problem. There's also a little on the deleted material in the actual review itself, but textually it's just a sentence about the unexpected cliffhanger ending. The rest are low-res images of test rooms and the original Glyphs (some of which are already on Ben Lincoln's fansite, The Lost Worlds). Monere (talk) 16:50, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know the feeling - I'm making an amateur's attempt to improve Kain's article too, and about 90% of info on the deleted ending where he dies is confined to that site. Monere (talk) 16:58, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll definitely work it in. Monere (talk) 17:12, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Legacy of Kain section break

Just so that you know, I reviewed the images more closely and left a couple concerns at FAC. — TKD::{talk} 05:55, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Have you been able to contact Mitaphane (talk · contribs) regarding the back print issues? I don't know whtether you saw my comment at FAC, but you muight want to try emailing him/her, as s/he doesn't edit Wikipedia frequently. — TKD::{talk} 08:46, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Also, Vantine84 (talk · contribs) thinks that the gameplay section could be explained better for a general audience; can you take a stab at that? My familiarity with this game is limited, recent edits notwithstanding. — TKD::{talk} 04:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I've taken a crack at clarifying. Of course, feel free to supplement. By the way, I've supported the FAC; I think that the criteria are satisfied. — TKD::{talk} 08:21, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Mitaphane's scans, the issues and page numbers should be visible in the margins: November 1998, pages 48–49; May 2000, page 96; October 1999, page 113. — TKD::{talk} 06:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, either it was a typo, or it was the original release date before delays. — TKD::{talk} 06:48, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Promoted. Congratulations. — TKD::{talk} 15:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Grant George as Warrior of Light in "Dissidia"

You put in your edit note, whether or not if the source is reliable or not. Well, frankly, Grant George is a voice actor and he usually stores his resume on that site and constantly updates it whenever he gets roles or not. So, what I don't see is how you'd think it's not a reliable source, when the voice actor himself confirmed it. — sonickenshin::{talk} 19:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

My problem is that no one else has confirmed it. If he's scheduled to indeed voice him I should think there'd be note of it elsewhere. The Clawed One (talk) 02:36, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

A few months ago, Laura Bailey did the exact same thing with Street Fighter IV, and when SFIV, it was credited to her. Heck, a few other voice actors from the recent Kingdom Hearts game did the same, like Namine's voice actress in Re:CoM, announcing that she'll be voicing her. Honestly, this is the actor's site. Mr. George adds roles the moment he gets them all the time, regardless whether or not he puts up his recording schedule. That's more than enough to be reliable. What? You think he just added the role on his site "just because?" — sonickenshin::{talk} 21:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Many months ago, Glynnis Talken Campbell confirmed she'd be voicing Sarah Kerrigan in StarCraft II. A few months ago she reported that she wouldn't be. Again, if this guy will indeed be voicing the character, I should think it would be announced somewhere besides his own website. The Clawed One (talk) 04:54, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

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		Congratulations on getting Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver to FA. It's always nice to see older games improve in quality, especially ones I remember so fondly. Please keep up the good work. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:36, 6 May 2009 (UTC))

Yay, my first Barnstar! Thanks very much! The Clawed One (talk) 15:17, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

*sigh* I can't believe that 1999 games pass for "older" already. I still haven't finished Final Fantasy VI. :( — TKD::{talk} 15:20, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

You really should, age aside it's an awesome game. The Clawed One (talk) 15:22, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I know. I have about 50 games to finish, about half of which are RPGs. To play video games, or to write articles about them, that 'tis the question. — TKD::{talk} 15:38, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

TKD- We must have been separated at birth or something because I'm notorious for not finishing games—FFVI included. Those RPGs just have so much to do in them. :-p (Guyinblack25 ^talk 19:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC))

Dissidia

First you undid my revisions to Dissidia and I thought, "I forgot to give a source." Then I edit it again and give a credible source. Yet you undid it again. Now I don't know what's wrong. IMDB is a completely credible source with no problems. TehRYNOL (talk) 19:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

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I apologize about my Sourcing IMDB- as you seem to be a stickler about that as a Credible Source. As you are the main person editing the page, I suggest you maybe post it somewhere in large bold font or something, on the talk page, that states IMDB cannot be used as a Credible source. I understand you're irritation with users editing the Dissidia page and citing IMDB as a source- But there is no need for insults, and it just causes more trouble. Inform, instead of insult. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.75.29.201 (talk) 22:58, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Considering I've had to defend the page from edits like your for months now, I'll use whatever insults I wish. As for IMDB, it's user submitted data, I could pull English VAs out of my ass and submit them and they'd probably post them. Common sense is enough to tell anyone why they wouldn't work as a source for cast lists. The Clawed One (talk) 23:02, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

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It hasn't been wrong before, providing Voice Casts for most games/ anime in my experience. This is why I used it as a primary source. Still- The fact that I did not take into account that users edit it, just like how users edit Wikipedia, Does not require insults. I merely read on the site, which I believed to be a credible source in my prior history with it, and posted. Hence why I even made a thread in the Discussion post- I'm not defending my answers. I'm just saying I shouldn't be insulted for merely trying to universalize information. Look at some of the VA's wikipedia entries- If you are policing Dissidia's entry, why not police the entries that are related. Steve Burton's Page currently states that he is voicing Cloud, unsourced. Why not remove that as well? It seems as though the problem here is that the information isn't being universalized correctly, and that it is creating a lot of confusion.

As you are correcting most of this confusion, I figured I should tell you that.

You yourself stated that Johnny Yong Bosch is voicing Firion on your Youtube Videos. Baseless comments like this prove hipocrisy when you don't source for such video. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.75.29.201 (talk) 23:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

No hard feelings. :] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.75.29.201 (talk) 23:11, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

That I state that Johnny Yong Bosch is voicing Firion is a good example of why videos aren't reliable source either. Anyway, saying he's voicing Firion isn't hypocrisy, because he is and I don't need to source my videos. I could say that James Arnold Taylor is voicing Firion and it would be alright, it wouldn't be true but I could say it. The issue here isn't who is and isn't voicing who, if it were then I'd be glad to list Steve Burton and Bryan Papenbrook, etc, because it is indeed them doing the voices. But it's not about that, it's confirming they're doing the voices beyond "oh I recognize their voice", by finding a reliable source that identifies the VAs directly. And so far no one has been able to do that. So shut me up and prove me wrong then. The Clawed One (talk) 23:21, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:Axem

As a matter of fact, yes. Why do you ask? :) Axem Titanium (talk) 15:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, me too. I've been using this tag for a long time actually. Like... 7-8 years? Wow. Axem Titanium (talk) 16:14, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if I want sympathy. I like my tag. :) Have we worked on the same article before, by any chance? I don't remember. Axem Titanium (talk) 16:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm. Well, good editing to you. I've only just recently taken myself out of retirement from editing so maybe we'll converge on an article at some point. Or not. Cheers, Axem Titanium (talk) 18:21, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Dissidia Question

You said that Chaos and Garland are the same entity. So then what is it that Garland transforms into? --Ryu-chan (Talk | Contributions) 18:44, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

HEY LOSER!

_I_ If you have a problem with me, say it to my face, dont use your pathetic Admin friends to do it for you.loserKiff 15 (talk) 07:57, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Drake, seriously, why would I have jelousy issues?Kiff 15 (talk) 06:14, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Well you put so much effort into mocking me and Rydia and other cool FF characters. It's painfully obvious you're simply jealous and are trying to make yourself feel better. Take heart though lassy, be proud of who you are and don't hate those who are better, you'll live longer that way. The Clawed One (talk) 16:16, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Constantine (film)

In reference to, Constantine (film): To give an example: "Gabriel attempts to strike him, but God burns off the angel's wings." No where in the film nor the novelization does it mention what so ever that it was God who burned off Gabriel's wings and turned him intro a mortal. It is loosely implied that it is Lucifer who performs this act but no specific mention of this is made ever. That's why I stated it as POV. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② ^talk 04:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Did someone copy-and-paste the Characters of StarCraft article, print it and sell it for money?

Because that might just have happened: http://www.general-books.net/book.cfm?id=3637940 (source link)

If you click on the publisher link, http://booksllc.net/?id=12123161, it leads right back to the Characters of StarCraft page! The random excerpt also looks familiar.

The book is on sale for $10, and is also at Amazon and Barnes & Noble under the ISBN 978-1156-61699-4. The publisher, General Books, has a shady looking link: http://generalbooks.org/index.html Kimera757 (talk) 12:58, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Yup, looks like it. The Clawed One (talk) 16:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

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Just a heads up on some upkeep

I am in no way an editor of a wiki, however, noticed the starcraft page has not been updated for the release of starcraft 2. the following is from the starcraft page:

"StarCraft II was announced on 19 May 2007, nearly a decade after the original, at the Blizzard Worldwide Invitational in Seoul, South Korea.[25][26] StarCraft II is being developed, under the codename Medusa,[54] for concurrent release on Windows XP, Windows Vista and Mac OS X. Blizzard has announced a release date for the 27th of July.[2] Development on the game began in 2003, shortly after Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne was released.[55]"

Figured since you got your name there I'd send ya to work ;) Thank you for your time and efforts. Keep it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.40.161 (talk) 05:45, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

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