User talk:I dream of horses/2024/November

Question from Thaha yaseen on User:Thaha yaseen (05:05, 2 November 2024)

Hello --Thaha yaseen (talk) 05:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

@Thaha yaseen Hello there! Look like you've encountered some difficulty already. We do have a few tutorials and suggested edits at Special:Homepage. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 11:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

My Article Rejected

And if I add more information and sources to my article, would there be a chance of it being accepted? WikiPsychology (talk) 18:52, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

@WikiPsychology If I were in your situation, I'd work on the articles linked in decline message instead. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 20:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Question from Btlr-k on A Lot Like Birds (23:40, 2 November 2024)

hi i am a casual wikipedia user and just sometimes update info on the pages for bands that im into and i tried to update the timeline for this one and totally messed it up and have no idea how to fix it, my apologies. if it could just be reverted to my previous edit with a comment that says something along the lines of "up to date member info" that would eliminate the problem --Btlr-k (talk) 23:40, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

hi nevermind on this i figured out how reverting works sorry Btlr-k (talk) 00:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

@Btlr-k Oh, I'm just glad you figured out how to self-revert! Sorry for not getting to this sooner. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 04:53, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Musawo Julie

Looks like there are some accounts and pages connected. Creator uploaded four images to Wikimedia Commons with at least two of the pages they are connected to now up for deletion. Plenty of IP editing and at least one other account that looks like MEAT. I am compiling the information for SPI now. Just wanted to give you a heads up. CNMall41 (talk) 22:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

@CNMall41 Okay, acknowledged. Thank you I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 22:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Another goddam rabbit hole. Will take hours and I don't have the time today so filed what I have but should be self-explanatory if you look at the edit histories. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

toxic leadership

The toxic leadership article that you have just reject it is a scientific article, part of academic research., I is build on a valuable academic research, and add to it's conclusion .... i.e. it is not just talk or self story ....your review really choking me 2A02:9B0:4001:A57F:4C23:FD42:3A06:C6F1 (talk) 19:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a tertiary source, and not a webhost for academic research. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 23:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Re: Welcome

Hi, I dream of horses! Thanks for the welcome on my (current) IP User page, but I've been editing here for over 20 years, and deliberately choose not to have a User account. Moreover, though once static, my IP is now dynamic (changed years ago by my ISP, not by my choice), which is why to avoid confusion in ongoing conversations, I pseudo-sign myself as {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 19:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

You're a rare and confusing breed, poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 23:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

G11 on Draft:Venkataraman (Musical Artist)

Hey I dream of horses -- I've declined this one; I don't think it's wrong, per se, and I don't think this is ever going to make it to mainspace for notability reasons, but perhaps we just all have to dial down the deletionist tendencies a bit, especially in draftspace, where no obvious benefit accrues to subject. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 06:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Espresso Addict I suspect people are going to be a little more inclusionist for a moment; I'll have to adjust.

It was more G11'able when I nomm'd it; if the article improves after I nominate it, I'm never upset by that result. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 06:45, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that. I still think it would reasonably fall under G11, but it's not really doing much harm where it is waiting for G13 to remove it quietly. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 06:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Espresso Addict I suppose that as long as it's not being resubmitted-declined-resubmitted-again enough, it's not doing any harm and will be G13'd eventually. Even in the case of someone resubmitting it repeatedly, it could be sent to MfD so as to delete the draft and remove any false hope. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 06:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Maybe we should see draftspace (and userspace) as training wheels for new editors, and not worry too much about what goes on there (as long as it isn't obviously harmful, of course), in the hope that at least a few of the editors who have a less-antagonistic early experience of Wikipedia will become good contributors in time? It was three months before I started a BLP whom I hadn't met personally though I think they all turned out to be notable, and I haven't turned out that bad as a contributor.{cn} Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 07:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Espresso Addict Perhaps I'm cynical, but I doubt the few editors who become good contributors in time start out their editing careers with a G'11able draft...but then again, perhaps this one, who actually improved the draft after a CSD nom, will be an exception. So, perhaps I should touch grass. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 07:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Help with an article?

Hey, want to look into an article with/for me? The article in question is M. R. Mathias. Long story short, the guy doesn't appear to be notable. There aren't any good notability-showing sources in the page at all, honestly. The only claim to fame is being nominated for the Locus Poll Award, but I do have a bit of a question about that.

Now, Locus Awards are obviously going to give notability if you win. That's never in question. What I'm questioning is if this goes through a different process than the normal Locus Awards, as they only nominate books they've reviewed. The source used for this seems to imply that the Poll Award goes through a different process, namely that participants (the readers) can submit any book they want as long as it is the right genre, length, and year of release. Basically, if it's the normal process of nomination that means there may be a Locus review out there and possibly more. If it's the one I think it is, then there possibly won't be.

I'd edited this page some years back and meant to come back to it later, but never got the chance. I think I admittedly also didn't want to delete the page given his history of overcoming prison and drug addiction, as I am kind of hesitant in reaching out now about it. I just figure if we both can't find sources, then the guy unfortunately doesn't pass NAUTHOR and it can go to AfD. Which is my other reason for reaching out. I'm not on as regularly as I once was, so I'm hesitant to nominate articles for AfD. I don't want to nominate and then not keep up with any discussions on the page. Lately I've been good about getting on but I can't guarantee that I'll be able to keep that pace up. Would you be willing to nominate? ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 18:59, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@ReaderofthePack You're right. The man doesn't appear notable. A before search doesn't turn up much, and of course, the sources actually in the article aren't that great, either. If someone still living/recently deceased is this low-profile, it might be best to either get the article draftified/redirected/deleted at AfD, particularly if they've already overcome a lot in their life; we don't want someone to unexpectedly get a higher profile, which can bring its own issues. Fame is no pleasure cruise.

Occasionally, though, people will turn up with offline/paywalled sources at AfD, so who knows? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I do hope that someone brings up sourcing, in which case I'll change my argument, but I don't think that there's anything out there. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 19:18, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

A message from 72.209.254.231

I do not have a specific source but I have heard it time after time. 72.209.254.231 (talk) 23:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

That would be a rumor. Please avoid adding it back unless and until you find a source for it. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 23:23, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Question from CanadianAmerican96 (18:45, 10 November 2024)

Hi there! New here and I do not dream of horses although I like them. --CanadianAmerican96 (talk) 18:45, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

@CanadianAmerican96 Nice to meet you! I've added links to tutorials and suggested edits on your talk page. I actually don't dream of horses myself very often. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

A message from TayaCornett

Sobey Art Award

Hi I dream of horses! Thank you so much for msging me, something seems to be wrong with the citation on Nico Williams. Do you know how to fix it? Also would you want to help me build and publish a page for this contemporary artist? We are old friends from school :) !!!!

I cant remember how to open a page for a new subject.

Lmk! Taya Cornett

TayaCornett (talk) 21:31, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

{{reply to|TayaCornett} What, specifically, seems to be wrong? I dream of horses (Hoofprints)

You can create an AfC draft through the article wizard. Another ping just in case: TayaCornett I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:33, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Question from Phoenixmile (16:44, 11 November 2024)

How can I find if something is subjective or not --Phoenixmile (talk) 16:44, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

@Phoenixmile A fact ("A bike is a mode of transportation") is objective. An opinion ("Red bikes are the best kind") is subjective. Any particular reason why you ask? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 01:53, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

A message from ミラへぜ

neigh ミラへぜ (talk) 21:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@ミラへぜ *waves like a human* Let's get back to improving Wikipedia. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Revert not necacarily needed.

For the revision you made to the short description of Gaston Anglade, there is a category in:Wikipedia:Short description named “inclusion of dates” there it recommends the format of [Person description] (birthyear–deathyear) I was hurt that day, I was, but I apologize. I hope we can make up, if possible please make a revert to the revert you made.

Regards and fun -baylorc Baylorc (talk) 19:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Link for you :3 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gaston_Anglade&action=history Baylorc (talk) 19:29, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Very sorry for flooding your talk page, I know you might be busy, I have a request. My formal request as one rookie to one thiriving wikipedian is can you possibly mentor me? Baylorc (talk) 19:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Baylorc No, we're fine. That page seems to recommend dates when there's some ambiguity, and I think there's only one Gaston Anglade on Wikipedia. So, perhaps we're both right? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:43, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Yep I suppose we are Baylorc (talk) 23:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Serbian dancing lady

What sources were you able to find on this? Nikkimaria (talk) 22:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria This. It's weak, but given that I already send a lot of articles to AfD, it makes me reluctant to send this one to AfD. Also, finding one source on an internet meme is kind of a lot. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 00:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Question from TopTechies (18:52, 13 November 2024)

Good evening my mentor, I'd be happy to learn how possible it is to copy edit an improper reference link of any tasked in given to do. --TopTechies (talk) 18:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@TopTechies In what context? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I can't figure out this image

Hi, you look like you know what you're doing, so if you'd let me know how to properly format the image in the Populair row on List of airlines of Sweden I'd really appreciate it thank you Sandcat555 (talk) 19:53, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Sandcat555 So what I just did is replace "thumb" with "100px."

The list could use some sources, but that's mostly to prove the airlines actually exist. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I couldn't find much info on how to format the images on here. All of the airline pages themselves have those sources- should I add them to the list? Sandcat555 (talk) 19:59, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Sandcat555 Makes sense! Perhaps choose one source per airline that's more or less "This airline exists" and add it in with the notes via inline citation. Beforehand, you'll want to add a reference section with {{reflist}} I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 20:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I had a quick look through the airline lists of a few countries and noticed that a lot of them lack many/any references (except for Canada's which has 649) ; would it be worth adding them for all of these lists instead of just Sweden? Sandcat555 (talk) 20:10, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Also; can I use the airline website for this? Sandcat555 (talk) 20:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Sandcat555 Probably not ideal (it's not a third party source). If that's the only option, though, I guess. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 20:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I will try to find a better source then. I wasn't sure about that Sandcat555 (talk) 20:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

A message from Cooldudeseven7

I am very sorry for the edit conflict- I was wondering why I received the speedy deletion notification! Jolly editing, Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 18:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Cooldudeseven7 No, it's happens. No worries. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:05, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

A few questions however- If a user creates a new article (its been less than 60 minutes since the creation) Can I still draftify it because it's in the mainspace? or do I have to CSD it. Thank you Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 18:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Cooldudeseven7 We're not supposed to draftify articles that aren't likely to be put back into mainspace. My intuition tells me this draft will never be an article...but that's just my intuition, so it might be a gray area. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh. I recently draftified an article by the same person (the one that had an edit conflict). Should I undo the move and do a CSD nomination again Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 18:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Cooldudeseven7 No. You're fine. Like I said, it might be a gray area. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much! Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 18:17, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Cooldudeseven7 Actually, Espresso Addict just moved the other article to draftspace (which I nom'd for CSD) themself, so maybe you were right. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me + for your help! Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 18:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I tend to think moving to draft is less bitey for new editors, but I might be wrong. I don't think we should leave material in mainspace about living people that is completely unsourced, but maybe I'm IARing? Espresso Addict (talk) 18:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Espresso Addict I have a more nuanced view; deleting an article that could get improved to mainspace-quality is pretty BITEy, but draftifying an article with a snowballs chance in Hell in getting to mainspace quality simply adds to the AfC backlog (or the creator just moves it back to mainspace, causing additional issues). Draftifying such an article might be interpreted as dishonest to boot. WP:DRAFTIFY more or less agrees with me; under "Reasons not to move to draftspace," #4 states There is no chance that the article can be improved to the point that is suitable for mainspace; problems that can't be fixed are reasons for deletion.

Of course, distinguishing which is which is pretty difficult in practice. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

There's a problem with being an admin responding to speedies, especially on BLPs, that if you decline you leave a clearly unacceptable article in mainspace. I always try to leave a specific message for the creator linking the Teahouse in the hope that they can improve the draft, but experience suggests that often they never edit again. I'd interpret the text that you quote as meaning there was no notability, which imo wasn't the case here. Anyway, feel free to move it back, I won't object. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 20:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Espresso Addict There's a problem with being an admin responding to speedies, especially on BLPs, that if you decline you leave a clearly unacceptable article in mainspace. Right, hence the draftication. I did say it was a gray-area earlier on in the conversation. Very much a "local politician" vibe. It's enough of a gray-area that I'm not moving it back; likely, they'll get G13'd, which is refundable.

I'm curious, though. How many people start out churning out articles and then actually stick around? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 20:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Poking around there's no article for Mayor of Delhi, but it looks like the predecessor (a woman) has an article: Shelly Oberoi, and Municipal Corporation of Delhi has 20 million inhabitants, so not a small jurisdiction.

"How many people start out churning out articles and then actually stick around?" There's a decent handful, though most of them are under some sort of sanction now. Arguably in the Wild West Days we all made that kind of article, and then all chipped in to improve, but that's a lot less common now except for Women in Red. Really I ought to try to improve it myself, but somehow the word "Delhi" is putting me off, can't think why. Espresso Addict (talk) 20:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Espresso Addict Aye, the consequence of having more articles on the more obvious topics.

I have memories of UPEs from India in #wikipedia-en-help desperately wanting "their" drafts to be accepted Right Now; of course, paid editors (disclosed or not!) from elsewhere were often desperate as well, but there was an additional language barrier if they came from India, and they were reluctant to admit that English wasn't their native language, or to edit their native language Wikipedia (the English Wikipedia has better SEO). Perhaps you've had similar experiences somewhere?

I think admins generally receive less begging than AfC reviewers, from worry about the block button presumably (genuine worry, if the Fastily petition is anything to go by). The Indian stuff now all comes in perfect American Marketing Speech, courtesy of Your Neighbourhood AI, which is a bit disconcerting.

By the way, if you don't mind my asking, did you deliberately decide at some point not to become an admin for some reason? Espresso Addict (talk) 20:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Espresso Addict By the way, if you don't mind my asking, did you deliberately decide at some point not to become an admin for some reason? I don't mind. It wasn't so much deliberate and more of a desire to avoid the limelight. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 20:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for the talk on speedy deletion vs draftify! =) Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 23:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

A message from Shinboke55

Hey, this is Shinboke55. I made an article on Chamber and submitted it, and you left it as as draft.

I added some sources, and here's the thing now. What say you?

Chamber (metalcore band: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamber_(metalcore_band) Shinboke55 (talk) 22:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

@Shinboke55 That's better. I live the technical review of the article to someone else, because I have a policy of not reviewing articles on request. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 23:01, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Question from MKB official (15:45, 16 November 2024)

Hello mentor --MKB official (talk) 15:45, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

@MKB official Hey. You might want to change your username, per the message I put on your talk page. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:27, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

A message from Malypaet

About C. K. Raju: Hi, sorry for missing the summary, I solved it. I hope having solving the NPOV Malypaet (talk) 00:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Rmr. Ragulvarma

Hello I dream of horses,

I suspect this might be a hoax. I was considering nominating it for speedy deletion but I wanted to discuss it with you first. You accepted this article during AfC but I couldn’t find any references that mention the subject. It seems like possible vandalism and the content appears to be copied from R. S. Munirathinam. May you take a closer look? Regards. Hitro talk 09:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@HitroMilanese On closer examination...yeah, you're right, it's probably best to AfD this article. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 11:11, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Question from Calebwritesthetruth (09:14, 18 November 2024)

Hello I dream of horses, how do I start editing articles --Calebwritesthetruth (talk) 09:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@Calebwritesthetruth I've linked tutorials on your talk page. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 11:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

A message from Munky911e

Hello! Just wanted to let you know that I fixed up the Article! Munky911e (talk) 17:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@Munky911e Which article is that? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 02:34, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Quick draftifications

Good morning, I noticed that today you moved a page to draft space 37 minutes after it was created. Please be aware that WP:NPPHOUR is considered a best practice that NPP members are generally expected to follow. Pages are allowed to be worked on in main space and moving pages to draft space too quickly, before a user has a chance to complete it. These types of quick draftifies may be considered WP:BITEy behaviour and may push new contributors away, which is why we typically give them at least an hour since the last productive edit. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 15:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Significa liberdade How do we balance that against our BLP and other sourcing policies, particularly in the context of the creator not editing the now-draft again in those 37 minutes? I'd understand better the feedback if the creator seemed to be actively working on the article, but they appeared not to be. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 16:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

At NPP, we provide the hour as a grace period to work on the article, which is especially important for newbies. During this time, the person may be looking up guidelines about referencing and/or searching for sources to add to the article. Serious issues such as attack pages, copyright violations, and blatant vandalism are the only exceptions to NPPHOUR. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 16:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Significa liberdade I've accepted similar feedback in the past. In this context, however, my concern with your feedback is that you seem to be wanting me to follow a rule to the letter instead of follow its spirit. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 16:18, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

How would you describe the spirit of the rule? Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 16:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Significa liberdade That I pause and wait until the article creator pauses before doing anything. Depending on the length of the pause, this can range from doing anything at all (gnoming, tagging) to avoid overly-confusing edit conflicts to what you're talking about (draftification, nominating for deletion, etc.) It isn't so dependent on literally putting on a timer for me.

We should probably have shorter grace periods for some topic areas (BLPs, currently existing organizations, etc.) than others (obscure town, population 100). In fact, there's a few people that might be inclined to say that all unsourced BLPS need to be BLPPROD'd, CSD'd, or draftified immediately, not that I'd agree with that. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

That concern should probably be raised on the NPP Talk page. As of September, there was a discussion about increasing NPPHOUR to NPP2HOURS or NPPDAY after individuals discussed frustration with people, including myself, who draftify articles shortly following the one hour mark. This comes following much ire regarding draftification as "backdoor deletion", a framing that I very much disagree with. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 20:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Significa liberdade I disagree with drafitication being a "backdoor deletion" as well. A genuine backdoor deletion wouldn't allow the now-draft to be improved on Wikipedia. I also have concerns that NPRHOUR, if enforced too literally and strictly, can run afoul of "ignore all rules" and "Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy". Basically, we are required to look at the spirit of policies and guidelines, and understand why they're in place. I think this is more of an over-arching concern over the culture at NPP more than anything else.

FWIW, I think that someone can have their new page reviewer right yanked if they really are being too hasty, even without NPRHOUR. This would be under "Guidelines for revocation" #2: "The editor has demonstrated a pattern of failing to exercise sufficient care when reviewing pages, resulting in users being offended or discouraged (especially new users)." However, "failing to provide sufficient care" on a consistent basis needs to be proven first, per WP:AGF.

Also, some debate between immediatist/deletionist/ATDist folks like me (and possibly you) and eventualists/inclusionists has always existed on Wikipedia. I guess the debate is centering on draftspace at the moment. Needless to say, I'm not too enthusiastic about re-igniting another debate which may or may not get nowhere. I could open up a discussion about maybe NPRHOUR being more flexibly enforced (and possibly renamed), but "Be more flexible" can be fighting words at times. Since the last debate was so recent, perhaps things should cool off a bit first.

Anyways. If you read it all, Thank you. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:15, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Y Read! :) Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 21:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)