Jaseman125

Hi Jason! Its nice to see that I've got company in creating articles on this area! I've done lots of the work on Rhosllannerchrugog, Ruabon, Chirk, St Martins, Gresford Disaster etc. as well as on people in the area. In the Rhos article I've included bits about Ponciau (where to Ponciau finish and Rhos begin???) I think that question has caused many an arguement over the years! --maelor 11:59, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello. I saw some mention of Ponciau on Wrexham and Rhos pages, but was dissapointed that the village where I live didn't have a page. I have the same problem working out where the borders are and can't answer your question. I'm new to Wikipedia, so I'm not sure even if you will see this message - Learning as I go along. Regards, Jason. --Jaseman125 20:39, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi again. I see you've added some more. Keep going! I've changes the structure a bit to bring in Wiki Sections (which make things easier to read). A few points which might be useful to you:

• There is no need to reference an internal link more than once. Don't put too many internal links in the text as it tends to interfere with the flow when reading it.
• Avoid references to the old counties of Denbighshire and Clwyd if possible! There are some pedantic people on Wikipedia who are paranoid about this to the point of neurosis (I'm surprised they haven't contacted you already to demand changes!). They will insist that Ponciau is still in Denbighshire because the traditional county of Denbighshire never disappeared. (No, the rest of us can't make sense of it either!)
• I never use the discription "North Wales" as most people automatically think of Bangor/Caernarfon/Anglesey/Llandudno etc, I alsways use "north-east Wales" to point them in the right direction.
• Try to structure the document into Sections (I've done some for Ponciau Banks and Language)
• Try to get some copyright-free photos in (OK so Ponciau is not very photogenic!!)

--maelor 10:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I have some random photos of Ponciau (Which I made myself), and I agree they are not very interesting. I can upload them if you think I should or more to the point if I can figure out how to do it. I think Wrexham Council would argue that it's not in Denbighshire. I've always used North, Mid or South Wales to describe a location, but I am not really bothered how the page gets altered or corrected. I'm just happy that there is one. I must say Wikipedia is a pretty amazing site. Was it written entirely by volunteers? It seems almost every topic is covered, including reviews of most movies, and historical events. I guess it was not intended originally to be a geographic report. I wonder how much server space is required for the site, and whether it is backed up daily.

If you have some time, I found a VERY interesting pdf document (Published in 1910) about North Wales, including descriptions of Wrexham area villages and how there names came about etc. It's 136 pages, but if you skip through you will soon find some interesting stuff.

Ancient Tenures Of North Wales --Jaseman 19:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Jason, that was a brilliant link! I've downloaded the file and it will come in very handy for my genealogy searching (the Wrexham/Ruabon parish map at the back in particular).

I think the Wiki site is backup up in real time? Every article has to be backed up instantly to allow for recovery after vandalism, etc.. As it is written entirely by people like us it can be a target for little brats or arguementative adults! You can put anything on as long as its deemed 'useful' for other readers.

--maelor 18:08, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

To find out how to upload and insert images take a look at the tutorial at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page --maelor 18:11, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Jackos

Hi. I've played with this paragraph a bit! Can you identify a source for the banishing of Jacobites from Wrexham? It sounds interesting and I'd like to follow it up. I know that the Williams-Wynn family of Wynnstay were prominant Jacobites. Howver, the link to the GenUKI Carmarthenshire pages is very uncertain. There are several other people on that page from "Rhos" and I'm convinced this is not Rhosllannerchrugog but a local Rhos in Carmarthenshire. I've done a lot of genealogy research in Rhos and I have come across very few connections with Carmarthenshire. --maelor 17:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I heard about Jacko's/Jacobites story from my stepfather, but where he heard it from, I don't know. He grew up in Wrexham and has a lot of local knowledge. He did mention the Wynnstay Pub, where traditionally everyone would toast the king. The jacobites would raise their glasses over a bowl of water, which had a hidden meaning - They toasted the king over the water (Meaning the French King). I will ask him when he gets back from Alaska (Next week). There is reference to this practice on the Jacobite page of this site.

The Rhos Jacko Carmarthenshire reference was just something I found whilst searching the net - It could very well be that there is no connection there. I suppose the only way to clarify would be to try and find someone in the church that could shed some light on it.

--Jaseman 19:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Jason.

I've seen the link between Rhos 'Jackos' and the Jacobites in print somewhere. I have a book here with it in. I'm more interested in what you said about them moving from Wrexham. I've been doing family history (half of my lot are from Rhos & Ponciau) for a few years and that information might prove important. Let me know if you find any more information.

I know quite a bit about the population of Rhos. I transcribed one entire census for the FreeCEN project, that was over ten thousand names!!! So I know the link the Carmarthenshire is weak.

-- Maelor  20:03, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi again. I've reworded a few bits (that's the teacher in me!!!). -- Maelor  20:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello. You've done a good job. There are lots of villages in Wrexham county borough that do not have pages (I added Brymbo and Rossett). It would be nice to fill the gaps. I am not going to add too much detail to those, because firstly I don't have the time, secondly I don't know anything about Brymbo, and thirdly, I am hoping that someone local will find the page and expand on it.

I grew up in Gresford, and bought my house in Ponciau in 1998. My wife is from Fryazino (On the outskirts of Moscow) --Jaseman 21:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Links

Hi Jason.

I've removed the picture of Ruabon Parish Church you put on the Wrexham page. I can't see why you put it there?

Also, steady on with the external links, Wikipedia is not meant to be an alternative to Google!

The comment you made about the Ponciau electoral division taking in parts of Esclusham made my rethink the article on Wrexham (county borough). When I added the list of 'wards' (should be called 'electoral divisions') I was under the impression that these matched up with 'communities' but I now see that that is not the case! So I've now added the communities as I think these are far more important.

I've added a stub on Erbistock and Penycae. I'll try added some content to Cefn Mawr and Acrefair if I get time.

Did you notice that one of your new articles was deleted by a bot a couple of days ago. These bots automatically search for articles with too little content, so make sure that any article you add has enough text to avoid bot deletion.

-- Maelor  13:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Maelor,

My mistake completely on the Ruabon church - For some reason I was mixing it up with St Giles Church - Sorry about that! Duh! It appears that half of the Religion paragraph was also removed however (I will attempt to rectify this). It would be nice to get a photo of St Giles Church on there. I think I have one, but the quality may be low.

Do you know which article was removed by the bot? I did get a warning that one village was going to be removed (Brymbo I think), but I then added more content and removed the marker - I hope it is still there.

It was Brymbo but it's now back. I can't help you on this as I've only been there once!

Johnstown and Llay also need to be added. Of the coal mining activities in the area, Llay was one of the largest, and doesn't get a mention.

I did think about Johnstown but what can you wrtie about it??? (No disrespect to the people of Johstown, but there's not much there!). I don't know anything about Llai, again I've never been there.

I'm still researching the village boundary line between Rhos and Ponciau. If you go by postal addresses, the bottom of Fennant Road and Aberderfyn Road mark one end, and the top of Bank Street, the other (Vinegar Hill and Grango School are Rhos). I've seen addresses for Duke Road, Ponciau, and Duke Street, Ponciau, but also I've seen Duke Street, Rhos. But if Ponciau banks is completely in Rhos, this would bring the boundary line back (Clarke St is definately Ponciau). I'm not certain now whether the bottom end of Fennant road is Hafod (This was told to me by locals of the village), but according to the postal addresses it is all Ponciau. I think library/council maps will only show ward boundaries, and not village boundaries (Although I have not checked this). I have a feeling the village boundaries are a little grey. For example a colleague of mine lives in Caergwrle, the other side of the Flintshire sign, but he gets mail from Wrexham County Borough, not from Flintshire council.

I can tell you that the original boundary between the ancient parishes of Ruabon and Wrexham was the Afon Aberderfyn. Travelling from Ruabon to Wrexham, as you leave Johnstown there is a road on the left leading to Aberderfyn Farm, just after this the river runs under the road and as you cross it you leave the old Ruabon parish and enter the old Wrexham parish. Travelling down Ffennant Road from Ponciau, the old Ruabon parish finishes at the bottom of the hill, as you go up the other side of the hill you were in the old Wrexham parish. So Ffennant Farm and Pentrebychan were in Wrexham. The parishes were later divided to form the new parishes of Rhosllannerchrugog (out of Ruabon parish) and Esclusham Below (out of Wrexham parish). The National Eisteddfod in 1961 took place in the field between Ffenant Farm and Corkscrew Lane, in Escslusham, despite being known as The Rhosllannerchrugog Eisteddfod!

Hafod is the name of one of the old townships within Ruabon. It was the area between the Afon Goch, Wat's Dyke and the Bangor Road. The confusion arose when the Ruabon New Colliery (later renamed Hafod Colliery) was built. This was not in Ruabon's Hafod but in the township of Hafod y Bwch in Esclusham!!

If you can work out where the boundaries between Rhos and Ponciau are you are a better man than I!!!

The Post Office define their own districts which have nothing to do with communities, counties or countries e.g. "Bronington, Whitchurch, Shropshire, England, SY13" (Bronington is part of the county borough of Wrexham!!). They tend to work to the 'nearest' delivery centre.

Did I say that Ponciau electoral division takes in part of Esclusham?

In the Ponciau article you said 'The Ponciau North, Ponciau South and Rhos wards of the Community of Rhosllanerchrugog and the Aberoer and Pentrebychan wards of the Community of Esclusham'.

It's a pity that the number of links is so restricted. So much of the internet is duplicated from one site to another rather than referenced with a hyperlink. I don't like to rewrite information if someone else has written about the subject concisely, and also it avoids copyright infringement. Maybe Wikipedia should become another Google - Why not? I suppose it can also lead to other conflicts - If there was say a limit of 5 external links, who is to say which 5 would be most important? I will try to pluck out the important facts from other sources rather than linking to them, in future.

I'm only passing on comments that I've been sent by others on Wikipedia. I think the generall opinion is that only the most relevant external links should be given.

Regards, Jason

P.S. I notice there is a list of 'Places in wrexham county borough', as well as list of 'villages in wrexham county borough'. Do you think it is necessary to have both lists?

Villages in Wrexham county borough and Towns in Wrexham county borough (only Wrexham, Chirk and Overton) are categories. You add items to these categories by inserting a "Category:Villages in Wrexham county borough" line at the bottom of your article (see Ponciau. The "List of places in Wrexham county borough" is just not needed, I've no idea which its there, it just duplicates what the categories do and I think it should be removed. I'll post a mesage on the noticeboard.

On the Rhos page there is a small red dot next to the county map, which may mislead the reader into thinking Rhos is to the east of Wrexham county.

If there is a problem here it's my fault!! It looks ok on my screen but I can accept it may not on others. The positioning of the dot is determing by the code "position: absolute; left: 195px; top: 50px". What size monitor are you using and at what resolution?

-- Maelor  10:00, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

My laptop screen resolution is 1024 and my work PC is on 1280. Both display the red dot off to the right hand side of the map (In the white area). I've notice similar things occuring with positioning of photos - They move about depending on screen size. Probably the only way to ensure the red dot was aligned is to make it part of the county map. --Jaseman 12:36, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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