User talk:Jmajeremy/Archives/2012/March

FYI you appear to have welcomed a sockpuppet

Hi, FYI, you just welcomed [1] which appears to be a block-evading Michigan sockpuppet. Some, but certainly not all, of the info about the master-sock and block is on my talk page. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 05:25, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the heads up. At least the edits I saw seemed like they were in good faith. --JmaJeremy ^talk _contribs 05:38, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Somewhere in the fine print it says blockevading edits can be removed regardless of intent. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 07:09, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

The irrelevant paragraph on the April page

Hi Jeremy -

Did you read the change I removed, and my comment for the removal? The paragraph may have been there for a long time, but that in no way changes the irrelevancy of it. I don't bother with the overhead for such obvious changes. You seem to feel that the origin of the phrase "Days of April" is somehow germane to an encyclopedic entry on the month of April, since you've undone my change twice. I'll defer to you on this one; but I obviously do not agree with your editorial decision.

Bonne journée, Alex --Blueshifter (talk) 18:32, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Mainly I'm basing this on the fact that it is essentially transcribed from a public domain Britannica article of the same name. I don't claim to be an expert on the subject of April, I merely feel it would be best if you made some mention of the change on the April talk page if you decide to remove it again. I won't revert any more of your edits in favour of avoiding an edit war. Cheers. —JmaJeremy ^talk _contribs 19:01, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Temperatures

You have been very insistent that 11 ˚C is equal to 51.8 ˚F. And +11.8 ˚C is equal to that temperature in Fahrenheit. However, 0 ˚C equals 32 ˚F, therefore the interval of 11 ˚C equals 19.8 ˚F. This is why it is sometimes a bad idea to use the conversion calculator.

Kbreth 67.183.65.167 (talk) 02:31, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Your math is faulty. Degrees Celsius and Degrees Fahrenheit do not follow the same intervals. The formula for converting Fahrenheit (F) to Celsius (C) is C = (5/9)*(F-32) and the one for converting C to F is F = (9/5)*C+32. Thus, F = ((9/5)*11)+32; F = 19.8+32; F = 51.8˚. You could equally find out this information by typing "11 c in f" into Google. To allow editors more efficiency and not have to do these conversions every time, they only have to enter one format or the other with {{convert}}. —JmaJeremy ^talk _contribs 02:51, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

You are correct, however the 11 ˚C was referring to how much colder it was in Alaska during the Ice Age compared to now, an 11˚ C interval, which equals 19.8 degrees fahrenheit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.65.167 (talk) 03:38, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

I'll take your word for it, sorry if I've been a nuisance ;-) —JmaJeremy ^talk _contribs 03:56, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Degree

Hello,

As I read your biography on your user page, I noticed that you wrote that you are currently working on a degree at Dawson College. However, if you attend Dawson College, a CEGEP in Westmount, Montreal, shouldn't you be working on a diploma (Diplôme d'études collégiales)?

It isn't a big thing, but I was willing to mention it.

--MaxAMSC (talk) 20:04, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Emily Baker

re http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Emily_Baker

International articles...really?? So if you're really popular in the UK but nowhere else you can't be included in Wikipedia? This is getting way too difficult. She's a singer/songwriter who does solo gigs and supports big artists...in the UK (even be described as 'rising' if you like) - I know people google her name so thought I'd do a Wiki page...spent hours on this...will it ever get accepted?? Thanks

Readominguez (talk) 09:22, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

I think that you'll have to do a better job of proving that she is notable. Get more verifiable sources. As far as I can tell, a lot of the articles you've cited only talk about Emily Baker secondarily. For example, in this article, this one, and this one, Pete Doherty is the main subject of the article, and Baker is only mentioned in relation to him.

I'll also advise you to take careful note of the information found at WP:BLP. If your article were published the way it is now, someone would probably nominate for speedy deletion due to a violation of the rules about biographies of living people. For example, a lot of your sources look like they're [[WP:SPS|self-published]. Additionally, your section on "personal life" seems out of context. I did a search on Google News and didn't see any results pertaining to this Emily Baker, which leads me to believe she's not known outside a very local area. I think if you find one or two really solid references proving her notability it will be fine. My last piece of advice is to beef up your lead section. The lead paragraph should tell me why I should care, and "Emily Baker is a singer/songwriter living in Brighton." isn't enough. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask. And rest assured, your contributions are always appreciated, so keep it up! —JmaJeremy ^TALK _CONTRIBS 15:24, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Dawson College

Hello,

After taking a look at your user name and the picture on your user page, I came to the conclusion that you are Jeremy Andrews. Am I right, or I am just delusioning?

--MaxAMSC (talk) 20:15, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

In response to your first question, I find it can sometimes be difficult to relate to people outside Quebec what exactly a DEC is, so I often end up comparing it to a partial university degree. In effect, although I'll complete my degree at a university, I'm essentially doing the same work that a first-year undergrad student would be doing in any other part of North America, as evidenced by the fact that when I do switch to university (in 6 months from now), I'll only have 3 years left to do of a degree that would typically take 4 years to earn. When writing my user page, I stuck with the term degree for the sake of avoiding confusion between a DEC leading to university studies, with the typical implications of diploma, in many countries, as being awarded to persons who complete vocational studies.

True. --MaxAMSC (talk) 20:34, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

As for your current question, yes, that's my full name. How do we know each other? —JmaJeremy ^talk _contribs 20:27, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Student at Dawson College, Health Sciences. --MaxAMSC (talk) 20:34, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

What's your real name? Were we in a class together? Worked together? —JmaJeremy ^talk _contribs 20:39, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Actually, we weren't in any classes together. You see, I am completing my second semester, and I heard about you through some people at Dawson College, leading me to your website. For my real name, I'd rather not write it on Wikipedia because some administrators and users on fr.wiki (French Wikipedia) are analysing every word I write to have more information on me (long story).--MaxAMSC (talk) 21:07, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

You heard about me? From who? Didn't know I was famous :P. So we've never met, then? —JmaJeremy ^talk _contribs 21:14, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Some of my friends visit MRGEEK.me daily, and, one day, they were talking about the website's writers. That's when they mentionned you and the fact that you attend Dawson College. --MaxAMSC (talk) 22:40, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

OK, nice to hear people are enjoying Mr. Geek! —JmaJeremy ^TALK _CONTRIBS 00:15, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Please see User talk:Jmajeremy/UBX, I left a message several days ago...--MaxAMSC (talk) 21:41, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Christine Caine Article

Hello Jeremy,

I first must note my appreciation for your interest in poutine, from my experience it is the one of the finest attractions in Quebec! Moreover, I am writing for your assistance. I am currently a Medical Student in Philadelphia, hoping to raise awareness for human trafficking. I made contact with an organization A21 and it lead me to Christine Caine. She is a rising abolitionist with many published works and is the founder of the rapidly growing, and internationally based A21 campaign. This campaign is in contact with many task forces and has also advised the US Department of State in their trafficking persons report. Having said this, being new to Wikipedia I believe I made a tragic error in utilizing the previous Christine Caine article (it was taking down due to lack of notabilty) and re-submitting it having made only small changes. I believe that even though this search was taken down for lack of notability, that if the article was re-written it could meet such standards with some tweaking. However, to my knowledge you have blocked the article. Instead of blindly attempting to re-submit, I figured I would write to you in hopes of getting advice on how this can be done. Can an article be re-created using her name? Also, why am I unable to edit and increase the notability of this article? I sincerely thank you for your help and I apologize for my errors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt edgars (talk • contribs) 23:31, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Matt. Are you referring to this article: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/A21 Campaign? If that's the case, then it is still in the Articles for Creation section and hasn't been acted upon yet, except for a comment. Now, I realize there have been two previous instances where an article titled "Christine Caine" has been deleted (See one and two). However, that article seems to have been about a Christian musician, not a political activist. It wouldn't be a problem to put your article at Christine Caine. If it doesn't let you do it yourself, it might be because you're not an "autoconfirmed" user. Keep in mind, however, that the requirements are stricter if you focus on Christine Caine the person instead of the A21 Campaign more generally. Biographical articles must strictly adhere to the guidelines at WP:BLP.

Looking at the article you currently have up for creation, it needs to be cleaned up before it would be acceptable. For example, there's no lead section, and you shouldn't place external links in the body of the article (they should all go in a footnote section called "External LInks." Also, it needs to be wikified, meaning that any term that someone might not know and has an article in Wikipedia should be linked with the [[ ... ]] syntax.

Finally, in terms of notability, you've found some great sources for the broader issue of human trafficking, but from what I can tell, the reliable ones don't specifically mention the A21 Campaign or Christine Caine. Do you have any sources like that? Reliable sources cannot be self-published--i.e. her own website, her foundation's website, blogs, etc...these are not reliable. It needs to be a reputable newspaper, academic journal, Government publication, book from a well-known publisher or university press, etc. Your article from CNN seems like the strongest source for proving notable of the A21 Campaign itself, but I still wouldn't put this under Caine's name...better to place it under A21 Campaign and just mention Caine as the founder.

And I'm glad you like poutine! Hope this answers some of your questions. Feel free to ask any follow-up questions you might still have. —JmaJeremy ^TALK _CONTRIBS 02:05, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

--Thanks

Jeremy,

Thank you so much for your quick and thorough response. I have attempted the recommended changes to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/A21 Campaign which I hope to have approved (I will continue to work on improving the notability and relevance of this article). Your advice was incredibly useful and I am sincerely grateful. With regards to the Christine Article for now I will take your advice and leave her mentioned only as the founder of the A21 Campaign. However this article was my original concern having seen that two previous Caine articles had been taken down. This was surprising to me since she is globally known. Once I manage to dig up some credible sources I'll consider tackling that article next. If you happen to notice anything else that can be done with the A21 article it would be welcomed, again, as this is my first time. Hopefully, I can gain familiarity with wikipedia quickly!! Thanks again for your insight-best wishes to you with studies

Matt

JMA! Thank you, Thank you! I didn't realize how accomplished I would feel after just one article hahaha! Now on to improvement, Best regards

Matt

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt edgars (talk • contribs) 22:24, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Alfa Nero deletion

Hi, Jmajeremy. Regarding the above article that I posted a few days ago in AFD, the general consensus is to keep the article, following some improvements. Would you be so kind as to review the article, and if you feel like it fixes the problems, change your !vote? If you can do this, I can withdraw; otherwise, to be frank, the article is likely to be kept in any case, due to the improvements. Thanks, --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 05:46, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

OK, I changed my vote. It didn't looked notable based on the SPS's referenced in the article, but I can see from the comments that it has definite potential. —JmaJeremy ^TALK _CONTRIBS 06:47, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Source for Changes on Arabian Sea page

Added. The pdf refered will also let you know how much fake numbers did the previous poster added — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.87.85.5 (talk) 04:17, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.87.85.5 (talk) 04:16, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

OK, Thanks. —JmaJeremy ^TALK _CONTRIBS 04:33, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey any idea why the changes i did were reverted back along with the source pdf link being removed.

Regards ~K — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.124.22.144 (talk) 19:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Signature

Hi,
your signature is way too long

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Consensus laid out at WP:SIG#Length requires everyone to limit themselves to up to 255 characters. You are currently at 704.
If you cleaned up the parser function cruft with help:safesubst you could get it down to 329 chars, but that would still be way too long.
If you want I can probably help you shorten it to be within the guideline without losing too much of its current appearance. Please do make sure that it is shortened appropriately before leaving your signature outside your user space.
Thanks, Amalthea 08:48, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

HI Amalthea. I guess I didn't realize how long it got after subst:ing. Sorry for any inconvenience! I've cut it down to 245 characters now. —JmaJeremy^TALK_CONTRIBS 17:50, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks (and no apology necessary). Cheers, Amalthea 17:59, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Source for Changes on Arabian Sea page

A response to the response 63.124.22.144 (talk) 19:45, 12 March 2012 (UTC) Not sure why changes are again reverted, along with the source pdf link also being removed.

I wasn't the one who reverted the changes this time. I'm not quite sure why either. You might want to speak to this user who seems to think that your edits are violating WP:NPOV rules: User talk:Fahadnisarrana#User talk:76.87.85.5. Also, I would strongly recommend that you register an account; it seems like you have a dynamic IP address (meaning that it changes every time you connect to the Internet), so if you had a username it would be less confusing. —JmaJeremy^TALK_CONTRIBS 20:20, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Sure i will get an account created to lessen the confusion
And also posted below is my question on Fahadnisarrana page you pointed

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Care to explain who is posting regional POV stuff ...
The sentence about Gwadar port "It is the largest port in the Arabian Sea after the port of Karachi" says it all. Can you please put a source for this,
Any why the source pointing to the numbers giving by Shipping ministry of India are not reliable enough for you . You seems to be from Pakistan , as the major port section sings of only 2 ports , both being from Pakistan ,while conveniently leaving atleast Five bigger ports in other countries ( majority of them being in India )

Awaiting Reply

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.124.22.144 (talk) 20:33, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello Posted a detailed reply on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fahadnisarrana#User_talk:76.87.85.5 Please go through it to ensure accuracy of wiki articles.

Regards63.124.22.144 (talk) 21:31, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Just now checked the article , Now instead of correcting the wrong information given deliberately, The user "Fahadnisarrana" has started posting even more wrong. , Just the sentence "Gwadar port handles 30% of the world's daily oil supply" is enough to bring wiki quality by several notches . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.124.22.144 (talk) 21:59, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Can you or another moderator look into this , Mr. Fahadnisarrana has started referring blogs and media of other countries ( which atleast i have not heard of ) debuking his own country's national media agencies and getting into conspiracy theory ( imperial Western control over the media ) 63.124.22.144 (talk) 22:05, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Also please go through http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world%27s_busiest_ports_by_cargo_tonnage to clear any doubt if remaining. Not even a single Pakistani port is in the list. In case you are unable to correct the above, request you to guide me to flag my concerns to senior moderators. Regards 63.124.22.144 (talk) 22:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Also go through http://aapa.files.cms-plus.com/PDFs/WORLD%20PORT%20RANKINGS%202009.pdf . The world port ranking for year 2009 by American Association of Port Authorities ( most of the wiki articles on the subject site them as reference ), But even this may be dismissed by Fahadnisarrana as numbers cooked up by imperial western media — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.124.22.144 (talk) 22:33, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello

Posted enough comparisons by independent authorities and media reports on the talk page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fahadnisarrana#User_talk:76.87.85.5), but Mr. Fahadnisarrana is just not ready to accept that he deliberately posted wrong information on the article , much less correcting it. Please let me know how to raise the issue for further netural verifiation.

Regards
63.124.22.144 (talk) 23:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Adding the entire correspondence below as Mr. Fahadnisarrana removed it from his talk page with the comment ( Removal of settled issue. )

Arabian Sea (User talk:76.87.85.5)

Hi Fahadnisarrana. I couldn't help but notice that you added three successively higher levels of warnings on the above-mentioned user talk page at once. I had already warned the person once about citing sources, and he replied on my talk page to say that he had found sources which appeared to be reliable. If you believed that he was continuing to do the same thing, it might be appropriate to use a level 2 warning, but it seems excessive to add 3 and 4 at the same time, without giving him a chance to improve. Please remember to assume good faith. —JmaJeremyTALKCONTRIBS 18:26, 12 March 2012 (UTC) -Alright JmaJeremy, I'll take note of that. I was considering reporting him because he repeatedly vandalises the article with his personal or regional POV and I think that harms the accuracy of the article. Best Regards, Fahadnisarrana. Care to explain who is posting regional POV stuff ... The sentence about Gwadar port "It is the largest port in the Arabian Sea after the port of Karachi" says it all. Can you please put a source for this Any why the source pointing to the numbers giving by Shipping ministry of India are not reliable enough for you . You seems to be from Pakistan , as the major port section sings of only 2 ports , both being from Pakistan ,while conveniently leaving atleast Five bigger ports in other countries ( majority of them being in India ) Awaiting Reply — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.124.22.144 (talk) 20:30, 12 March 2012 (UTC) - Port of Karachi is handling about 14.0 million tons of liquid cargo and 12 million tons of dry general cargo, including 738,000 TEUs containers. Gwadar Port handles about 30% of the world's daily oil supply. Here is the source from the World Bank (http://siteresources.worldbank.org/PAKISTANEXTN/Resources/293051-1114424648263/Session-VII-Fazal-Ur-Rehman.pdf) and here is a BBC report on the same outlining the facts (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6469725.stm). I will insert these references on the page as well. The source you provided is not accessible and the facts you stated are not evident. While I may be Pakistani, you will notice that my personal POV is not reflected in my contributions. You may browse through my contributions for reaffirming the fact. The biggest ports in the Arabian Sea are Bandar Abbas in Iran (due to lack of availability of sufficient information, it is not there) and the Port of Karachi along with Gwadar Port. While India does have a significant number of seaports in the Arabian Sea, most of them do not cater to a significant transportation of major international commodities such as oil and gas, which Iran and Pakistan do. You may want to refer to Encyclopaedia Britannica here (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/31653/Arabian-Sea/22722/Transportation). Best Regards, Fahadnisarrana. Now this is getting ridiculous. Let me remove the bubble you are living in. BBC source - Dated Mar 2007 "Gwadar port is on the Arabian Sea at the mouth of the Gulf THROUGH which 30% of the world's daily oil supply passes." It does not means that Gwadar port is playing any role in it. World bank presentation. - Dated < 2005 " TRADE FORECAST FOR GWADAR PORT - 22 Million Tonnes ( 2010 ) " This was a presentation by Government of Pakistan about future roadmap of Ports development given to World bank atleast 7 years back. Not an endorsement of World bank per say. No where it says those numbers were met or are going to be achieved in near future . Even if above number are met they are far less then the numbers of previous years released by Shipping ministry of India on annual port traffic ( No projections here ) Now please go through the following links ( they are from pakistani dailys ), copy pasted content inline Gwadar Port may be given to China Special Report on Balochistan http://www.thenews.com.pk/PrintEdition.aspx?ID=566&Cat=13&dt=5/1/2011 - Dated May 2011 Apart from its failure to bring a single commercial ship to the Gwadar docks SC seeks comments on Gwadar Port agreement http://www.thenews.com.pk/PrintEdition.aspx?ID=1862&Cat=13&dt=3/4/2012 - Dated Mar 2012 It was further stated that a rough calculation indicates that the GPA will be paying out of government funds for maintaining the port until a minimum of 21 commercial ships call at Gwadar every week. This figure is impossible to achieve. The above links clearly shows that gwadar is hardly able to generate any private traffic ( only traffic it generated was 0.7 million tones of urea shipment ordered by GOP ( http://www.dawn.com/2012/02/08/gwadar-shipping-agents-plea-to-ecc.html ). And now to increase your knowledge, here are the Indian numbers for 2011 ( http://shipping.gov.in/writereaddata/l892s/7yearsTRAFFIC-42175832.pdf ) Kandla - 81.88 JNPT - 64.29 Mumbai ( twin port of JNPT ) - 54.58 Mormugoa - 50.02 Awaiting Reply 63.124.22.144 (talk) 21:28, 12 March 2012 (UTC) - Please refrain from adapting to a rather agitating tone. I do not appreciate that. This is a discussion for the good and let's keep it that way. We are not here to argue or to debate on petty issues and to express relief. - Coming to the dailies you mentioned, DAWN News and The NEWS have virtually no or very limited access in the Gwadar region. Also, many publications by these dailies cause daily disputes amongst the media editors. As far as the absurd statements above signify that there is no traffic at all at the Gwadar Port, then that is completely incorrect. Iran operates its major supply route to Eastern and Western Asia through Gwadar. Here is a 2005 report on the same (http://arabianestate.com/news/news14.php). Please look at this blog too (http://stuartbramhall.aegauthorblogs.com/2010/09/26/iran-china-and-the-gwadar-port/), it also goes on to say that there are limited mentions of the Gwadar Port in Western media (which is indeed the case), this shows how educated the world is on the facilities of the port. If you conduct further research from a neutral POV, I'm sure you will get to the facts. The Indian figures are nothing compared to Iranian ports of Bander Abbas, Chah Bahar and Bushehr Shaan and the Pakistani ports in Karachi, Gwadar, Ormara and Pasni. The only problem is that nobody cares to mention these ports due to imperial Western control over the media (I'm sure you know what I mean). There is also a lot of exaggeration on the situation in Pakistan, so you will find very few sources where the real situation is portrayed instead of a rephrasal or magnified views of an issue. Best Regards, Fahadnisarrana. Well expected such a reply from you. You are quoting blogs and site ( arabianestate ) maintained by some "bohra developers" , Do they have better knowledge about the ground situation than your national dailies. fine but why is your Supreme Court hearing a case for revoking the Gwadar port contract as the agency to which it was given ( Singapore Port Authority ) is unable to generate any traffic. One more thing , Pakistan is not an exporter of OIL and is consume only 0.00381% of world's daily oil , then how come 30% of world oil goes to Gwadar Port. The oil numbers are from another wiki article ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_consumption ) 63.124.22.144 (talk) 22:13, 12 March 2012 (UTC) - My dear brother, the blogs and sites I quoted are written from a neutral POV without exaggeration or endorsement. That is why I quoted them. Like I said, mainstream media does not appreciate the actual facts about the port as previously mentioned. The Gwadar Port is currently under the Singapore Port Authority's contract, however please note the fact that this will soon be revoked (due to fact that Singapore took advantage of Gwadar's tax-free nature) (http://www.forexpk.com/highlights/todays-pick/gwadar-port-authority-psa-barred-from-transferring-any-property.html). The Gwadar Port has been under many contracts and has sometimes had overlapping contracts placed on it. Indeed Pakistan is not an exporter of oil, however, note the fact that all the oil which passes through the Strait of Hormuz, the Suez Canal and the East Asian waters have to pass through Gwadar. Also oil exporters in Central Asia rely on the Gwadar Port for their oil shipments due to their landlocked situation. This shows that Gwadar indeed handles 30% of the world's oil shipments. I am sure that this will clear it up for you. Best Regards, Fahadnisarrana. Give me the numbers of shipment handeled ( no projections , no blgos , no property developers site ) . Just read the following pages as a neutral observer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world%27s_busiest_ports_by_cargo_tonnage http://aapa.files.cms-plus.com/PDFs/WORLD%20PORT%20RANKINGS%202009.pdf By the way there is no international pipeline in Gwadar or for that matter even Pakistan , so how are central Asian countries transporting oil to the port. 63.124.22.144 (talk) 22:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC) - Pakistani shipping companies have signed various deals with Central Asian oil importers. While there is no common international pipeline, there are certainly pipelines set up to individual countries such as Tajikistan (http://oilandgas.einnews.com/news/oil-companies/tajikistan). Apart from regional pipelines, freight oil cargo is also delivered by rail and by road. Huge oil carrying trucks are filled in and then they drive all the way up (I'm sure you know this fact, this was also done when cooperating with NATO troops in Afghanistan). I will surely provide the request details to you at a later time for your satisfaction. You keep posting links to rankings and stuff without realising the fact I keep emphasizing on, mainstream media does not acknowledge Pakistani and Iranian ports (as can be well observed from the above links you posted). Bias and regional interests step in when these rankings are made. Also, there is no real criteria or methodology for ranking seaports. There are certainly some factors that contradict. We can continue this debate for quite a long time, however, my friend, I want you to acknowledge the fact that I do not put forward biased views or my POV. Despite knowing the fact that you are an Indian, I do not hold any hostility as such towards you. I think you can surely return the favour and I'm sure we can cooperate on this issue and make Wikipedia a better place for reference. Best Regards, Fahadnisarrana. Fine , then please tell me on what study / comparison did you made the decision of quoting Gwadar port as the second biggest in Arabian Sea. Your are not ready to accept reports by main stream media of your own country , comparisons studies by AAPA ( http://aapa.files.cms-plus.com/PDFs/WORLD%20PORT%20RANKINGS%202009.pdf ) or even other wiki articles. Instead you are quoting a blog , a site developed by property developers and what not. but no comparison/study . Yes i am an Indian and i got no ill will for you. but as a free netzien I will try to correct any article spreading wrong information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.124.22.144 (talk) 23:05, 12 March 2012 (UTC) Another mythbuster from another Pakistani daily newspaper ( http://tribune.com.pk/story/122720/gwadar-an-unfulfilled-dream/ ) - Dated Feb 2011 But when I visit the port, I see the cranes lying idle and deserted. A port official informs me that the cargo handling cranes received a large fertiliser shipment some five months. Nothing much has moved since. 63.124.22.144 (talk) 00:03, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Arabian Sea Discussion

I'll look through this in more detail later and see if I can determine what the correct information is. It may be necessary to rollback to a version of the article before Wikikapil and Fahadniarrana started editing, then figure out from there what the correct information is from there. A few things to keep in mind:

• Sources must be reliable, meaning that they come from a reputable news source, government agency, university, or industry regulator
• Information must be neutral, meaning that we can't write articles from any sort of personal bias...they must reflect the factual information in official sources, even if we don't agree with it.
• Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, meaning that we can't base sections of the article of things that we expect to happen in the future. Some speculation quoted from reliable sources may be acceptable, but only if it adds to the information in the article. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. —JmaJeremy^TALK_CONTRIBS 01:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree with every rule you quoted above and that's why gave media reports , numbers reported by Ministry of Shipping and other wikipedia articles. All of which were rejected as being influenced by imperialist western media ( even reports of Pakistani Daily too )

Whereas only counter sources i got were a blog and site maintained by property developer.

Thanks for looking into this. Really appreciate that. Wikikapil (talk) 01:31, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

You can't cite other Wikipedia articles. This is considered self-citing. If the content on another article has references, you can cite the same source that it has used. Just to make sure, is this the first change that you made to the article: [2]?—JmaJeremy^TALK_CONTRIBS 02:08, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Thats correct, but while researching during the course of the argument figured out that contrary to popular belief it Kandla port and not Nava Sheva , which handles maximum traffic by any Indian port on Arabian Sea. Wikikapil (talk) 02:55, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, that's fine, but take a look at this diff and let me know if that's the first time you made an edit: [3]. I'll revert all the recent edits, and then you and Fahadnisarrana (talk · contribs) can discuss which information is correct, until you reach a consensus. I would suggest you have the discussion at Talk:Arabian Sea so as to allow other editors who are familiar with the subject to weigh in. —JmaJeremy^TALK_CONTRIBS 03:56, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Added the request at Talk:Arabian Sea , hopefully other editors will take into consideration the quality of references sited to make a decision.

Wikikapil (talk) 05:26, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

In silico PCR

Thanks for your suggestions. I decided to make a brief mention of Electronic PCR (e-PCR), accessible on the National Center for Biotechnology Information web site, as a widely used, free alternative to the commercial product that the author was pitching. I haven't yet figured how to make the article more accessible, though. The software packages being discussed are only of use to people who are familiar with PCR, which gets down to a lot of explaining.

It seems that Rkalendar has been uploading article after article pushing his company's products. I've just finished adding proposed deletion tags to Unique PCR and Group-specific PCR. It's not totally obvious from these three-to-six sentence articles. but he's a poor writer of English (I think his native language is probably Finnish), and I don't think many people would care to clean up his messes if he ever expanded them. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 01:46, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Just so you know, if you come across an article that you think qualifies as being "unambiguous advertising," then you can flag it for speedy deletion under criterion WP:G11. If it ends up at AfD, the process might be slow. I placed a level 2 warning message on Rkalendar (talk · contribs)'s talk page as well. If you see more spam from him, I'd advise that place increasingly higher-level warnings on his talk page. Once it reaches level 4, you can flag him to be blocked. You can do so by placing {{Uw-spamX|article name}} on his talk page, where X is the warning level (1-4) and article name is the name of the article that he placed the promotional material on. I noticed that he also made a lot of contributions to the article "Linguistic sequence complexity," so you might want to give that one a quick scan as well.

On another note, I know when you're an expert in a certain field it can be difficult to make something more accessible. But, at least for the lead paragraph or sentence of In silico PCR you could mention what the practical application of the software is. For example, you could identify the scientific field that it's used in, and why someone might use it. Take a look at the article for PCR; it tells us that PCR is a "scientific technique in molecular biology to amplify a single or a few copies of a piece of DNA..."

In the meantime, I'll be sure to !vote on those articles you proposed for deletion, and I'll let you know if I think of anything else. Cheers. —JmaJeremy^TALK_CONTRIBS 02:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Lots of good meat in the Linguistic sequence complexity article, but it contains original research. I cleaned it up to encourage him to fix its deficiencies. The modest product placement at the end doesn't bother me. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 10:11, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Looks like your PRODs went through without objection. Cheers! —JmaJeremy^TALK_CONTRIBS 03:18, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your cleanup

on Suicide Dolls (band), and for posting the grading information; it's useful to work with while improving the article. Bioevolution (talk) 17:41, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

It's my pleasure! Thanks to you as well for your great contributions, looks like you put a lot of work into that article. —JmaJeremy^TALK_CONTRIBS 03:44, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Walter eriksson denial

I dont understand why my submission was denied because of copyrighted material ?? i am unsure what exactly is copyrighted that isnt aloud ?

Any help would be greatly appreciated :)

I simply want to get my grandfather on wikipedia and give him the recognition he deserves.

Thanks

Chad Widman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chad6479 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Some of the tet appeared to have been copy-pasted from facebook. —JmaJeremy^TALK_CONTRIBS 15:19, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

March Mini Wikification Awards!

The WikiProject Wikify Ribbon is given to Jmajeremy for wikifying 3 articles during the March Mini 2012 drive. Thankyou! :-) benzband (talk) 13:31, 25 March 2012 (UTC)