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acridine orange

I strongly disagree with the corrections made to the topic "acridine orange". The information and the link that remain pertain only to the application of this dye for microbiology. Its application in cytometry of somatic and germ vertebrate cells, which was developed in my laboratory, exceeds by orders of magnitude the historical already application of acridine orange in microbiolology. Here are some our papers on acridine orange applications with the numbers of how many times they were cited in biomedical literature (Thomson-Reuters):

• Darzynkiewicz Z, Traganos F, Sharpless T, Melamed MR. (1976) Lymphocyte stimulation: A rapid multiparameter analysis. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 73:2881-2884 (cited 458 times)
• Evenson DP, Darzynkiewicz Z, Melamed MR. (1980) Relation of mammalian sperm chromatin heterogeneity to fertility. Science 210:1131-1133, 1980 (cited 454 times).
• Traganos F, Darzynkiewicz Z, Sharpless T, Melamed MR. (1977) Simultaneous staining of ribonucleic and deoxyribonucleic acids in unfixed cells using acridine orange in a flow cytofluorometric system. J Histochem Cytochem 25:46-56 (cited 446 times).
• Darzynkiewicz Z, Traganos F, Melamed MR. (1980) New cell cycle compartments identified by multiparameter flow cytometry. Cytometry 1:98-108 (cited 315 times).
• Darzynkiewicz Z, Sharpless T, Staiano-Coico L, Melamed MR. (1980) Subcompartments of the G1 phase of cell cycle detected by flow cytometry. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 77:6696-6700 (cited 261 times).
• Andreeff M, Darzynkiewicz Z, Sharpless TK, Clarkson BD, Melamed MR. (1980) Discrimination of human leukemia subtypes by flow cytometric analysis of cellular DNA and RNA. Blood 55:282-293 (cited 257 times).
• Darzynkiewicz Z, Traganos F, Sharpless TK, Melamed MR. (1975) Conformation of RNA in situ as studied by acridine orange staining and automated cytofluorometry. Exp Cell Res 95:143-153 (cited 201 times).
• . Darzynkiewicz Z, Traganos F, Kapuscinski J, Staiano-Coico L, Melamed MR. (1984) Accessibility of DNA in situ to various fluorochromes: Relationship to chromatin changes during erythroid differentiation of Friend leukemia cells. Cytometry 5:355-363 (cited 231 times).
• Darzynkiewicz Z, Traganos F, Sharpless T, Melamed MR. (1975) Thermal denaturation of DNA in situ as studied by acridine orange staining and automated cytofluorometry. Exp Cell Res 90:411-428 (cited 192 times).
• Crissman HA, Darzynkiewicz Z, Tobey RA, Steinkamp JA. (1985) Correlated measurements of DNA, RNA and protein content in individual cells by flow cytometry. Science 228:1321-1324 (cited 147 times).

In these papers we describe the application of acridine orange to: differentally stain DNA vs RNA, measure in situ DNA denaturation in individual cells as a probe of chromatin structure, in the case of sperm cells to detect abnormal, infertile spermatozoa(this method, was expanded by my student Don Evenson as the chromatin structure assay and was formally accepted by WHO as one the most useful male fertility assays, and many other applications. Given the above I cannot agree that none of these applications is not mentioned in Wikipedia.Zbigniew Darzynkiewicz (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:03, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

@Zbigniew Darzynkiewicz: are you sure you've contacted the right editor? I have never worked on Acridine orange. ~Kvng (talk) 20:16, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

How I can found who deleted all my additions to "acridine orange"? - to whom should I respondZbigniew Darzynkiewicz (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:23, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

@Zbigniew Darzynkiewicz: click the View History tab. The culprit was JohnSRoberts99. You should copy this discussion to the article's talk page and work it out there. ~Kvng (talk) 20:50, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Zbyszek Darzynkiewicz

Thanks for your critical but valuable comments. I tried to improve my page - I hope I am on right way. Best regardsZbigniew Darzynkiewicz (talk) 20:04, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

@Zbigniew Darzynkiewicz: Writing an article about yourself is difficult to do correctly and is strongly discouraged. Please see Wikipedia:Autobiography. ~Kvng (talk) 20:09, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Joachim Frank

Hi Kvng, I'm not sure why you accepted Joachim Frank, given it was almost entirely unsourced biographical content. I've removed the unsourced content and done some cleanup, though it still needs more work. Could you be more careful in future, please? We should take WP:BLP very seriously. Thank you! Waggie (talk) 19:10, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

@Waggie: WP:BLP requires that contentious material be sourced. Do you beleive the material that I accepted and that you removed was contentious? ~Kvng (talk) 19:38, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Kvng, thanks for your reply. From WP:BLP: "All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be supported by an inline citation to a reliable, published source." I challenged it (in my comment on the draft), and when it went to mainspace without further discussion or correction, I went ahead and removed it. Do you have reliable, published sources for the content? Are you really arguing that paragraphs of unsourced biographical content are OK? I'm a bit confused here and I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding. Thank you for your time! Waggie (talk) 19:52, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

@Waggie: Primary WP:AFC acceptance criteria is that a submission be WP:LIKELY to survive WP:AFD. The article as I accepted it had problems but not problems that would require deleting it. Specifically, if you had nominated my accepted version for deletion, the AfD response would have likely been, no need to delete the article, just delete the challenged material. This you've done and I have no problem with those edits. Thanks! What I do have a problem with is the idea that an article needs to be free of major flaws before it can get out of AFC. This is what you seem to be asserting in your first message to me and it is not true. ~Kvng (talk) 20:01, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, I was implying that I believe the problems should have been corrected before moving it to mainspace (as the content had been challenged). I did not accept OR decline the draft because I was hoping the author would correct them. Teach a person to fish and all that. Thanks again! Waggie (talk) 20:15, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

@Waggie: New editors may not have the skills required to make the improvements you're asking for. Wikipedia works best as a collaboration and there is little of that in Draft space. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewer help § Please accept flawed articles on notable topics. ~Kvng (talk) 20:21, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

New listing

Hi, you recently marked one of my listings for deletion as being promotional, could you advise on the changes it needs? The text is below.

@Ultrapreneur: The user name you've chosen indicates you may need to be made aware of the conflict of interest policy. I'm afraid I won't be able to help with this. Maybe try the WP:TEAHOUSE. I have deleted your text here. You can retrieve a copy from history if you need. ~Kvng (talk) 23:54, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Thanks for reviewing Shaurya Bhardwaj, Kvng.

Unfortunately Winged Blades of Godric has just gone over this page again and unreviewed it. Their note is:

Regretably WP:CSD#G4 isn't suitable.It is used to prevent re-mainspacing of deleted version of articles.I'm redirecting the article per the AFD close(since no new substantial notability arguments have been added).If he chooses to revert this ,WP:ANI will come handy.

To reply, leave a comment on Winged Blades of Godric's talk page.

Winged Blades ^Godric 16:03, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Proposal to merge merge List of vice presidents in 2017 into List of current vice presidents and designated acting presidents.

Where can I find the discussion page? I am absolutely against. What is the reason? There is nowhere a chronological list of vice-presidents. Bogdan Uleia (talk)

@Bogdan Uleia: I have started a discussion at Talk:List of current vice presidents and designated acting presidents#Merge List of vice presidents in 2017. ~Kvng (talk) 13:57, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:Isaac Newton in popular culture

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Isaac Newton in popular culture. Legobot (talk) 04:26, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Thanks for reviewing Illathu Nair, Kvng.

Unfortunately PRehse has just gone over this page again and unreviewed it. Their note is:

This seems like a duplication of Nair now that all that copyvio has been removed

To reply, leave a comment on PRehse's talk page.

PRehse (talk) 15:50, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Winged Blades of Godric. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Kum. Veerabhadrappa, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

Winged Blades ^Godric 16:29, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Costa Rica national team results

Which difference exists between the Costa Rica national team results and the England team results (For example) which by this day remain untouched?

--AndSalx95 (talk) 17:39, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

1. Please have a look at WP:OTHERSTUFF
2. If you don't agree with what I've done, you are welcome to revert my redirect of this article

~Kvng (talk) 18:48, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

It is not that I do not agree with your revert. In fact, you stated in the summary that it was per WP:IINFO and from my perspective that seems to be a valid reason to do so. However, in spite of me having about nine years here, I am still very unfamiliar with certain rules and having stumbled upon articles like the England ones, I thought there might be a difference (compared to the Costa Rica ones) which made those articles suitable to be on Wikipedia, a difference which I do not see. I will check on WP:WPF about what to do in this sort of lists. --AndSalx95 (talk) 19:02, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

I admit that I am not fully up on acceptable practice in sport coverage. That's why I redirected instead of nominating the article for deletion. A redirect can be quickly reverted. If you're interested you can learn about which way the editorial winds are currently blowing in this area by spending some time at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Sports#Football. ~Kvng (talk) 19:09, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

KWG Resources and your proposal for deletion

I have added further facts and a related reference to hopefully demonstrate notability. Hopefully, you will agree and remove the proposal for deletion. I am not comfortable removing it myself without first seeking your views here. This was a page that I had started, but where I had hoped that others would contribute, since this area is not one of Wikipedia contribution focus for me. I nonetheless believe, and hope that you agree, that the activities of KWG Resources in Canada are quite notable.

Dreadarthur (talk) 05:58, 28 June 2017 (UTC) 05:55, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

The new source is not WP:INDEPENDENT and therefore does not help establish notability. Also developing chromite deposits is WP:ROUTINE business. Notability would something that an independent reporter would be interested in reporting on. ~Kvng (talk) 13:14, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

I have added what I believe to be independent references, which hopefully improves. My impression is that KWG Resources is a key developer of a major mineral deposit in Northwestern Ontario, which I believe has one of the largest deposits of chromite in the world. Chromite is very important to steel production. This would appear to be why China is so very interested in assisting in the development here. Both now and in the future, what KWG Resources is doing here would appear to be quite notable, both in Canada and globally. Dreadarthur (talk) 01:01, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

So what you should do now is edit the page to remove my deletion proposal and edit the talk page to add a summary of your notability arguments. ~Kvng (talk) 13:06, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Done; many thanks for your suggestions throughout. Dreadarthur (talk) 21:52, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome. ~Kvng (talk) 22:15, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Oleg Bezuglov for deletion

Dear Kvng,

Since you sometimes contribute to AfD discussions, could you, please take a look at the Oleg Bezuglov article and express your opinion in discussion on whether it should be deleted or not. It was nominated on suspicion of not passing the WP:MUSICBIO criterion. The discussion is currently dead in the water, and I'm afraid it might be relisted again because of that. Thanks in advance! Fiddler11 07:02, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Looks like it is doing fine. I've put it on my WP:WATCHLIST. ~Kvng (talk) 12:51, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Driving Under the Influence (song) for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Driving Under the Influence (song) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Driving Under the Influence (song) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. 9³ 02:08, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

New Page Reviewing

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Thanks. I'm already a WP:NPP and WP:AFC reviewer. ~Kvng (talk) 20:59, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

lol. That was an odd booboo from my side. I checked your rights, and couldnt see NPP/R flag. So I went through your recent contributions and stuff. If i had only seen your talkpage, I would have known that you are (or were) a reviewer. Anyways, see you around. :)

—usernamekiran(talk) 13:51, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Concentrated stock

Hey K, I noticed you deprodded Concentrated stock because of all the incoming links; those arise because the article was in a template (and since removed); I think the true potential of the article is pretty close to null. I am going to take it to AfD. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:39, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

I apologize for not checking where all those incoming links were coming from. ~Kvng (talk) 16:07, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

FYI

This probably needs your urgent attention. You will be very interested in this and may wish to comment there. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:43, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Concentrated viewpoints

- being made in secret? You will be very interested in this and may wish to comment there about the upcoming trial. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:58, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Illathu Nair

There are no details available for Illathu Nair in Wikipedia and no article written on Illathu Nair yet in Wikipedia, this article perhaps helps people to understand about the different group existed in Nair group. These days Nairs are generalized as sudra category, its very important to give awareness to public that Nair community had both Kshatriya and Sudra group existed in this community same like Singh community where Kshatriya, Bhrahmin, Sudra and Sikh exist in the group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nair Community (talk • contribs) 19:04, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Nair Community, I have copied this to Talk:Nair#Merge from Illathu Nair where it is more likely to be seen. ~Kvng (talk) 12:05, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Kvng , unfortunately i cant write in the Nair article. Appreciate if you could add the Nair Subcaste table given in the Illathu Nair article to the Nair article. Also i dispute statement //"They regarded all Nairs as shudra" "were given kshatriya functions, but only shudra status. Thus originated the Nairs."//. These are totally absurd and fancy of one person. Please consider the Mandal commission report of Government of India where it clearly classify the different type of Nairs. The Malayala Kshatriya Nairs are considered forward caste and Malayala Shudra Nairs are considered as Other Backward community by the Indian Government. Please do needful for correction and please help stop spreading the wrong information to public.

Why can't you write in the Nair article? ~Kvng (talk) 12:24, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

It has no edit option. Extended Protected Page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nair Community (talk • contribs) 12:25, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Looks like Nair is a protected page due to sensitive topic with history of conflict. Only more experienced editors (30 days + 500 edits) are allowed to contribute there. You are a newcomer to Wikipedia. Such restrictions are unusual but I assume the restrictions are in place for a good reason or two. I don't think I can help you further at this time. ~Kvng (talk) 12:35, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Its not unusual, I found the reason why its protected and only few users with vested interest can write on it. You may please refer this blog, you will get the reason. The page is even protected on Talk page, the editors of the page are acting like fascist draconian, as if only their views are correct. Either open the Talk page and lets all come up in consensus on the content of the Nair page or delete the page as it a very sensitive, religious and culture content. Now the page is made to please few people. http://wikicash9.blogspot.ae/2011/06/how-to-earn-money-from-wikipedia.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Situshdad (talk • contribs) 05:49, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Illathu Nair, Kiriyathil Nair and Swaroopathil Nairs belong to Nagavanshi Kshatriya community. In ancient days Princes of Kovilakams married women of these castes. Nagavanshi Kshatriya Nairs do not marry from Velakkathara(Vilakkithala), Veluthedath, Vattakkadan, Asthikurichi(Sheethikan), Anthur(Andhra), Pallichan, Vaniya, other Shudra Nair castes, Ambalavasi castes and Chettiars. Also, they do not marry from other backward castes(OBC) like Ezhava, Thiyya, Ezhuthachan, Ganiyaar(Kalari Panicker/Kalari Kurup), Tamil Pillai(Vellala Pillai, Illathu Pillai, Chetti Pillai), Nadars, Naickers etc and SC/ST castes.

A Nagavanshi Kshatriya Nair can marry a Nagavanshi Kshatriya Nair, Nagavanshi Kshatriya Nair can marry a pure Royal Kshatriya(e.g Kovilakam), Nagavanshi Kshatriya Nair can marry a pure Brahmin(i.e. whose both parents are Brahmins). Children born from these marriages are accepted to Nagavanshi Kshatriya Nair caste. In ancient days if a Nagavanshi Kshatriya Nair man married from a forbidden caste his wife and children were not accepted and they were not allowed to enter inside the Nair Tharavadu. Similarly, if a Nagavanshi Kshatriya Nair woman married from forbidden caste Pitra-tarpana/Bali-tarpana was performed on her name. And she was ousted from the Nair Tharavadu. Other members of Nair Tharavadu end all their relations with her. In Malayalam this ritual is called "പടി അടച്ചു പിണ്ഡം വെച്ച് പുറത്ത് ആക്കുക". This ritual is shown in the Malayalam movie Parinayam. (- Ashwati Nair)

Nair Article

You know that Nair article is protected from editing. So I add few information about Illathu Nair in a new article. And now I am blocked from editing it and all my entries are removed. I really suspect that a group is trying to defame the Nair community, and I charged a case with Kerala cyber police about the activities and statements in Nair article, its heinous crime in Kerala cyber act. Also I also would like to bring your attention on below blog written by an editor of Wikipedia about the Sitush a WIki editor who deliberately blocked me for writing in Wiki about Nair, he just needs to defame the community and many had highlighted about this in the Nair talk page and all of them were blocked accessing it. A piad group is trying to defame a community in Wikipedia and its exposed now. As you are an editor I kindly request you to check the sources of Nair article and also do a comparion check on the old Nair artciel and the new Nair article written by Sitush.

Old Nair Article- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nair&oldid=355125995

New Nair Article by Sitush- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nair

Both are highly contradiction, the second one is try to defame the community, not a genuine try on the article.

appreciate your help, I will expose this to the media as well soon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.227.130.214 (talk) 05:35, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

If you suspect a conflict of interest, you should start a discussion at WP:COIN. ~Kvng (talk) 13:10, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

In case you have not previously encountered this issue, there is a long history of IP and SPA contributors trying to push their favorite clan at Wikipedia. Some of them have harassed good editors in real life, and have posted lies smeared with ignorance at various websites. There is no way of knowing whether the IP above is an active participant or has been duped by the nonsense. Your reply is all that needs to be said, but I thought I would offer a hint that there is a long backstory in case you get more involved. Johnuniq (talk) 23:01, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

I had to remove some purely disruptive material from here and also revdelete the subsequent edits. —SpacemanSpiff 03:00, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Calendar

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Calendar. Legobot (talk) 04:26, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I give up... why so many undeletion requests?

I noticed a bunch of prods you requested to be undeleted. Since they look unremarkable why did you bother to request for undelete? There is a tennis player who is as much a nothing now as back in 2015 when she was deleted the first time. Fyunck(click) (talk) 10:11, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Because they are listed at WP:WANTED and since I am not an administrator, I can't see them to evaluate whether there is a possibility of salvage until they're undeleted. I am a WP:PRODPATROLER and so I know that not all of these deletions are proper. ~Kvng (talk) 15:39, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Sorry... I was just trying to figure out who would bring this person back from the dead. I think I understand now that it was on that wanted list because of so many red links, and you brought it back because it was on that list. I thought maybe someone personally requested the article. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:44, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

DEPRODing unreferenced articles?

Hello Kvng. I think DEPRODing an article with no references because it's a "Potentially controversial deletion" is unhelpful. Articles with no references have no value. Such an article could have all its content removed per WP:NOR: "Wikipedia articles must not contain original research" and "This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources". If someone wants to come along and recreate the article with references, they are free to do so. Articles entirely lacking sources undermine the integrity of Wikipedia. I'm willing to take the time to nominate it for deletion, but I just wanted to ask you to review your approach to patrolling PRODs. Hopefully this doesn't come off the wrong way, I do recognise the importance of and appreciate your efforts in patrolling PRODs. I just feel like this action wasn't right and wanted to give feedback. Regards, Rob984 (talk) 21:54, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Please read WP:BEFORE. Unreferenced articles are not subject to deletion unless you have made the effort to try and find references and failed. ~Kvng (talk) 15:34, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Indeed, and I did say: "I cannot find a source other than taking the figures from individual countries' official sources, but this would be considered WP:SYNTHESIS". I could not find an aggregate source on the web, maybe I should have made that clearer. Rob984 (talk) 16:22, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't think that is what WP:SYNTHESIS is about. I don't see a WP:NPOV issue with this list. Anyway, plenty to discuss if you care to bring it to AfD. I deprodded it because there is not a simple and persuasive argument for delete here. WP:PROD is for uncontroversial deletions. ~Kvng (talk) 16:27, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

WP:SYNTHESIS isn't just about POV. A list ranking cities by population density is implying those ranking are accurate and the data is complete. I.e. the 1st ranked city is the densest city, the 2nd is the second densest, etc. Individual sources for each city do not support that conclusion, thus it is original research. Are you're trying to tell me that because I could have found sources for each of those pieces of data, the list shouldn't be PRODed per WP:DEL7?. That's not right. I highly suspect the list will be deleted because it is WP:SYNTHESIS and thus original research. Rob984 (talk) 17:02, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

WP:SYNTHESIS is not a valid WP:DEL-REASON. We prefer fix these kinds of flaws, not delete the article. You'll have to argue that the article can't be fixed and requires WP:TNT. You may have a point but, again, this is not the type of uncontroversial deletion that we use WP:PROD for. ~Kvng (talk) 17:10, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Usage of articles with abbreviations

Hey kvng, I had no idea where to ask this question on the internet so I thought I would start out by asking you for guidance related to how it's been done on Wikipedia.

In the sentence "The port-channel uses the link aggregation control protocol (LACP)" I would use "the" and write the word in lowercase. however, I would write "The port-channel uses LACP", i.e. without "the" and capticals for the abbreviation.

Do you have any idea where I can find a style guide for whether or not to use articles with the abbreviations or when writing it out in full and when to use capital letters or not?

– Tommiie (talk) 08:50, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

@Tommiie: The title of the target is your biggest clue. Lots of caps indicates that the subject is considered a proper noun. That is the case with Link Aggregation Control Protocol. Most topics are titled by their full name but some are better known for their acronym and so go by that. Here are some policy pages for your review MOS:CAPS, MOS:ACRO, MOS:TITLE. ~Kvng (talk) 14:13, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Logic_level

Howdy, I noticed you reverted the logic level edit that I'd made. A bar above doesn't work right for ASCII (either netlists or in HDL's) and has become much less used in industry (hence the reference to historical). With so many boards using differential signals, _N has become less used for negative logic in industry to eliminate confusion... I've seen multiple companies switch to _L as a replacemene (hence that edit). —Mrand ^{Talk • C} 16:37, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

I have responded at Talk:Logic level#Active low naming conventions. ~Kvng (talk) 00:47, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Turn and slip indicator

Re [1]: You might not like it, but quality arguments and reliable sources are policy requirements. Comments such as, "I suspect I know more about control theory" are not acceptable, especially when made as part of a refusal to discuss my rebuttal of your logical argument. Argument from authority is a logical fallacy, and may be seen as uncivil. I agree the discussion has run its course, but please bear these points in mind in future discussions with fellow editors. Thank you. Burninthruthesky (talk) 06:26, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

In full I said, "I suspect I know more about control theory and you know more about avionics..." If this looks like a personal attack from me, I apologize. "Thanks for confirming that you don't have any [knowledge]" was the part of your response that I took to be ad hominem. If I have misread, I apologize for that too. ~Kvng (talk) 15:05, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

I denounced "knowledge". Burninthruthesky (talk) 06:51, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Maybe I misread. Maybe you were saying "Thanks for confirming that you don't have any [evidence]." Still I don't see where you get that confirmation and I find this part of your response to be, at least, snarky. ~Kvng (talk) 14:34, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Clearly you see the problem with your earlier misquote. The main issue I had with the article discussion was refusal to provide evidence. When I asked for sources, you referred instead to logic. Ok, so I refuted your logic; you refused to discuss further, implying I was unlikely to understand details from your specialist field. I was grateful that you conceded the argument, but didn't appreciate what appeared to be a parting shot. Burninthruthesky (talk) 07:23, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

From my perspective you're the one delivering the parting shot. That's what my "Ouch!" comment was about. ~Kvng (talk) 13:51, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

COI - of a different kind

Hi Kvng. Because it involves New Page and AfC reviewers along with other maintenance workers (SPI, COIN), an informal chat has begun on some aspects of paid editing. See Conflict of Interest - of a different kind. Please add your thoughts there. It is not a debate or RfC.
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Please comment on Talk:Vaccine

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02:02:58, 28 August 2017 review of submission by VoraciousEditor

• VoraciousEditor (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Churchill Meadows (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Sir/Madam,

I am new to wikipedia editing and article creating and was quite excited to make my first article. I began thinking a lot about making article creating/editing a daily hobby. However I am quite disappointed to see that my article was rejected. I put a lot of time and effort into making my article and was quite sad to see it be rejected. I searched many other neighbourhoods in Mississauga on wikipedia and used them as a template. I encourage you to look at Cooksville (Mississauga) in wikipedia and Lorne park (Mississauga) on wikipedia. My article is identical if not more better organized than both of those articles. I don't understand why my article was declined while there's was approved. I strongly believe in precedent and have been using wikipedia for quite some time now. When I click on random article for fun sometimes I am aghast at what has been approved as an article. Articles one sentence long have been approved but my well researched article that follows precedent and the template of other approved articles is declined? I hope I don't come across as disrespectful. Its just that I was excited to find a possible new hobby and this article decline is a big setback and very discouraging for me. I may just return to being a wikipedia reader and forget this editing/article creation if its going to be like this experience. Cheers and Thank You for your service. I look forward to reading your reply.

@VoraciousEditor: sorry to disappoint. It looks like I was a bit careless in my rejection. There is good indication from the references you included that this topic satisfies WP:NPLACE. As you may be aware, there is a current entry on Wikipedia for Churchill Meadows which WP:REDIRECTS to Erin Mills. I was under the impression that Churchill Meadows was part of Erin Mills. This is apparently not the case. I will try to re review this tomorrow. ~Kvng (talk) 04:00, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

@VoraciousEditor:  Done Congratulations. ~Kvng (talk) 04:21, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Kvng,

I am extremely grateful for your reconsideration. I will never forget this day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VoraciousEditor (talk • contribs) 11:53, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Diary of a Supernatural article

Hi Kvng, hope this meets you well. i would like for you to participate in a discussion on an article you recently accepted at AfC. Diary of a Supernatural It has really good sources independent of the artist but its being nominated for deletion based on the fact that the artist main article is deleted. MustaphaNG (talk) 13:00, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Upper Hudson AVA article

Thank you very much! It made my day. - Andy — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndyEWeber (talk • contribs) 23:13, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

We're going to need some help at Wavetable synthesis.

Sorry to bother you, Kevin, but we will need some help at Wavetable synthesis stopping Clusternote from using Wikipedia to canonize his own take on the semantics and history. (You are right that Table-lookup synthesis should be merged, or that the article, a creation of Clusternote, should be deleted.) 173.48.64.110 (talk) 04:53, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

08:51:16, 20 September 2017 review of submission by Lean Hippo

• Lean Hippo (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Arora Group (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thank you for taking out time to review this page. As you have mentioned, the article was declined due to the absence of link references on Arora Group. But as per my knowledge, only a few of those links are around Surinder Arora and most of them are press coverage around Arora Group only. Could you please point out the links that don't make this article credible enough to be on Wikipedia?

I have responded at Draft talk:Arora Group. ~Kvng (talk) 14:32, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Bain & Company

Hi Kvng. I was wondering if you had time to review my COI request here on a large management consultancy. I've prepared a draft that I think would bring it up to GA standards, but have been poking around for someone willing to review per WP:COI. CorporateM (Talk) 20:56, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Elements

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Draft:Bielicky_Michael article

Hello Kvng, Thank You Very Much for Your review and recommendations.

I am a little puzzled how an art catalogue, edited and released by an institution like the ZKM - the first ever media museum worldwide - is not considered WP:INDEPENDENT. 18 out of 25 sources in my article are either institute websites or art catalogues released by (internationally) well known authors (very much so in art publication practice).

I fully understand that the page is too much of a list to be accepted.

But can you please shed a little more light on the WP:INDEPENDENT matter? Should I just delete the publicly available resources altogether or is there a healthy percentage that could be considered WP:INDEPENDENT, say one CV link and one moved image link?

Thank you very much in advance,

MPhilMediaArt (talk) 12:24, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

@MPhilMediaArt: please see my response at Draft_talk:Bielicky_Michael. ~Kvng (talk) 14:51, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Plasma (physics)

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Halloween cheer!

Happy Halloween!

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Edit summaries

Hey Kvng. Thanks for helping out at the Teahouse. Just... next time it might not be the best... public relations to use choice words in edit summaries there. Gotta keep in mind that the Teahouse has literally more page watchers than Canada, and a lot of them are new folks, and especially young folks, or old folks. No hurt feelings over it. Just something to be aware of. GMG^talk 14:18, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Ok thanks. I wasn't trying to be crude. It's a common idiom that expresses the emotion of the situation. Idioms can be hard though. ~Kvng (talk) 14:23, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Zeta India

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Zeta India, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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20:30:36, 4 November 2017 review of submission by Ungathering

• Ungathering (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Ralph Prator (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

In terms of the multiple articles from the Los Angeles Times being considered "one source" or "multiple sources," see Multiple Sources in Talk:Notability. The consensus seems to be that multiple newspaper articles over a period of years by different authors are considered multiple sources, not one source. However, I still see your point about not relying completely on the Los Angeles Times. Therefore I have added sources from other newspapers, from a book, and from two doctoral dissertations. I have also removed the reference to the book published by the Santa Susana Press because according to Wikipedia guidelines it is not considered a neutral source.

I would also make the argument that Ralph Prator has inherent notability as the founding president of a major or significant university. San Fernando Valley State College, which is now California State University, Northridge (CSUN), is one of the largest universities in the United States as measured by number of students. After UCLA, it is the second largest university in Southern California, a region that encompasses a population of over 20 million people. It is distinguished in a number of different ways, including having one of the top film schools and one of the best music programs in the country (per The Hollywood Reporter), one of the best business schools (per the Princeton Review), ranks among the nation's Top 5 comprehensive universities in terms of the number of graduates who go on to earn doctorates in research and the sciences (per the National Science Foundation), ranks #11 in the United States in terms of the number of minority students, and ranks 5th in the United States for its impact on the improved earning power and economic prospects of its graduates (per CollegeNet's Social Mobility Index). In addition, CSUN contributes almost $2 billion to the local and state economy through the creation of jobs and the training of graduates who become new employees in the workforce.

Ungathering (talk) 20:30, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm wondering kvng, under criteria 6 of WP:NACADEMIC, wouldn't he be notable? ("6. The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society.") Galobtter (talk) 08:26, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Promising thought. I have copied this suggestion and responded in more detail at Draft talk:Ralph Prator#WP:NACADEMIC. ~Kvng (talk) 14:25, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Request on 20:23:06, 9 November 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Austinable

• Austinable (talk · contribs)
  • User:Austinable (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thank you for your review, Kvng. I made immediate changes to the portion of David J. Neff's page that you found to have been copied from its referenced source. Please let me know if this fixes the problem (it's in the careers section where the source in question is referenced): Early in his career, he served as director of web and interactive strategy for the American Cancer Society High Plains Division, where he led a team in developing SharingHope.TV, the American Cancer Society’s first user-generated website for those affected by cancer. The program was first created to support ACS’s Relay For Life in 2008 and allowed posting of pictures and videos for early adopters of the technology.

Austinable (talk) 20:23, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

@Austinable: Thank you for improving your draft. The next step is to resubmit it and wait for another reviewer to look at it. ~Kvng (talk) 20:27, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Moon Breath Beat

Permission to remove my Moon Breath Beat page granted. Espngeek (talk)

Copyvios

Hey, just wanted to give a small reminder about checking drafts for copyright violations before reviewing them. If you don't have it installed already, I suggest using User:The Earwig/copyvios.js to put a link to the copyvios search. Cheers, Primefac (talk) 16:24, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. I've made this mistake in the past and don't seem to have learned from it. I have the script installed. I just need to remember to use it especially after being away from AfC for a while. ~Kvng (talk) 16:55, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

@Primefac: You may be amused to learn that I have done penance for my sin by doing a CV check on all submissions in Category:AfC pending submissions by age/Very old. ~Kvng (talk) 21:06, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I noticed. Maybe a bit extreme, but I suppose ultimately useful. Thanks. Primefac (talk) 14:35, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

09:00:22, 14 November 2017 review of submission by Lina.Fidlerova

• Lina.Fidlerova (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Martin Šolc (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, I'm the author of the article about Martin Solc, which was declined for it appeared to be taken from the profile of Mr. Solc on the websites of International Bar Association. I honestly cannot see the reason for it, I went through the article and the profile on the websites and I didn't copy and paste the content and didn't use the same wording, there are only the same information about Mr. Solc's education, career and functions within the IBA and I cannot change them, they are facts. I used links and citations everywhere I could so I really do not know how to change the article for it to be approved.

Thank you for your advice.

Lina — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lina.Fidlerova (talk • contribs)

@Lina.Fidlerova: this report shows that the phrases, "a leading Czech expert in corporate law, M&A and restructuring" and "elected Lawyer of the Year in Commercial Law in 2007 and 2011 by the Lawyer of the Year competition organised by the Czech Bar Association and epravo.cz" appear in the draft and the source. This is possibly a coincidence but we take potential copyright violations seriously so the appearance of copying is a problem. ~Kvng (talk) 13:58, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Request on 14:16:18, 14 November 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Roccopx

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  • User:Roccopx (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thank you for your review. I edited the article. It is difficult to find a structure for the history of a company. I also added the reference to the history page.

Roccopx (talk) 14:16, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

13:05:51, 12 November 2017 review of submission by Jasonperillo

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  • Draft:High Watch Recovery Center (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello and thank you for reviewing my submission on High Watch Recovery Center.

Your comment references my use of a NY Times article and close paraphrasing. The article is used as a source for one sentence which can only be stated in so many ways and includes a citation. The remainder of the content comes from other sources and is cited.

I am not clear on what I need to do to improve this and I am looking for any help you can offer.

Many thanks!

Jason

Jasonperillo (talk) 13:05, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

@Jasonperillo: this report shows similarities between your draft and sources.

Your draft says, "Folson wanted to deed them the property to be used as a retreat but since Wilson did not believe that A.A. should own property, a separate governing board comprised of A.A. members was established to oversee the operation of the farm."

The source says, "She wanted to deed them the property to be used as a retreat, Mr. Steele said. But since Mr. Wilson did not believe that A.A. should own property, a separate governing board was set up to oversee the operation of the farm,"

While there are some minor wording changes, the structure of these two statements is substantially the same and so appears to be close paraphrasing. This is possibly a coincidence but we take potential copyright violations seriously so the appearance of paraphrasing is a problem. ~Kvng (talk) 14:03, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

@Kvng:

Thank you! When I see it in writing it makes perfect sense. I have changed that paragraph to read as follows below. Please let me know if you think it is sufficient.

Folson wanted to give the property to Alcoholics Anonymous so that Wilson and Mann could use the farm as a retreat center for alcoholics. Wilson, though, was opposed to the idea of A.A. owning property. As a result, a separate board of directors comprised of A.A. members was established to oversee management of the retreat.

Jasonperillo (talk) 15:22, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

opinion required

Hi Kvng, thank you for your revision of Marco Alverà’s bio. Do you think it could be ready for the main namespace? Please also consider the discussion that is currently idle in my talk page. Do you think that at this point we might resort to the {{Help me}} template? Anna Sai (talk) 15:42, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

@Anna Sai: I'm afraid the only review I did on this draft was a mechanical check for copyright violations and I found no problems there. Reviewers are WP:VOLUNTEERS and the Wikipedia community is currently not giving a lot of love to paid submissions and other situations with potential WP:COIs. It may take some additional time for a reviewer to gather up the courage to review this. ~Kvng (talk) 16:46, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

What kind of source should I look for?

Hello,I'm Omega68537.Thanks for your advices for my article.I want to show the notability better in my article,and improve the other parts of my article.What kinds of sources(I know which sources are reliable and which are not) should I look for to show the notability better?And more advices about the other parts of my article Draft:Xu Geyang,please!Thanks. Omega68537 13:14, 6 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omega68537 (talk • contribs)

Omega68537 you need to find reliable sources with significant coverage of the subject. ~Kvng (talk) 15:03, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

@Kvng:I deleted some "unreliable" sources of my article.These sources are from website"Toutiao today".Are they unreliable indeed?I am not very sure.Sources with significant coverage will show the notability naturally,right?Which sources have significant coverage?

But after I read WP:MUSICBIO,I doubt that Xu Geyang might not meet the standard of notability of Wikipedia.Really?If Xu Geyang doesn't meet WP:MUSICBIO indeed,what should I do?Should I give up for this article until Xu Geyang meets it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omega68537 (talk • contribs) 13:42, 14 November 2017 (UTC) Omega68537 13:11, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

@Omega68537: You can set up a Google alert for yourself to notify you when any new sources appear and improve the article and resubmit when they do. You can create or improve the article on the Chinese Wikipedia. You can skip the AfC process and create the article yourself. The risk here is that it is promptly deleted which makes it more difficult to get approved later. You can keep resubmitting to AfC hoping or requesting you find a reviewer who is able to evaluate the Chinese sources. ~Kvng (talk) 14:13, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

@Kvng:I'm a Chinese,so that some thing you said is difficult for me.For example,I can't set Google alert because Google is now completely unavailable in China.I know it's more sensible to create my article on Chinese Wikipedia,but I can't entry Chinese Wikipedia.And what should I do now to increace the probability of being accepted?It may be too late to resubmit my article when Xu Geyang meets WP:MUSICBIO definitely.

~Omega68537(talk) 11:06, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	For doing copyvio checks on AfC submissions. ProgrammingGeek talktome 15:16, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks ProgrammingGeek! ~Kvng (talk) 15:20, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Draft:Deepak Singh

An article that you have been involved in editing—Draft:Deepak Singh—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. #1997kB 05:00, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

18:07:58, 18 November 2017 review of submission by Russellanderson

• Russellanderson (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Samuel Boateng (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Good evening,

I hope all is well and that you have had a good week.

From your review I understand why the article was declined. The material that was copied has now been deleted. I hope this resolves the problem and aids in the approval of this submission.

I hope you have a good evening.

Kind regards,

Russell — Preceding unsigned comment added by Russellanderson (talk • contribs) 18:07, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

08:08:36, 19 November 2017 review of submission by Arun G Nair

• Arun G Nair (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Balakrishnan Suresh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Submission declined on 18 November 2017 by Kvng because of the reason "This submission appears to be taken from http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/thiruvananthapuram/2016/aug/04/Air-Marshal-hailing-from-Thiruvananthapuram-takes-over-as-AOP-1503514.html." 1. This was not a copyrighted content of "New Indian Express". They copied it from "http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=148067"anyway I have removed the content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arun G Nair (talk • contribs) 08:08, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Draft:I Fall In Love Too Easily (Album)

Hello, I saw that the following text now appears in I Fall In Love Too Easily's page: "Comment: Copyvio check passed ~Kvng (talk) 00:03, 18 November 2017 (UTC)." Can you tell me what does it mean? Are you one of the administrators that has to accept the submission? Thank you. Keewii (talk) 23:06, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Keewii, it just means that Kvng has checked to make sure that your draft does not have any copyrighted material on it. They are a draft reviewer, but there's no guarantee that they specifically will be the one reviewing the page (we have over 150 reviewers total). Primefac (talk) 00:36, 21 November 2017 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

Primefac, Thank you. I just got notice that the submission has been accepted, so it's all good. Keewii (talk) 15:22, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Monero (cryptocurrency)

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