Wikipedia talk:WikiProject British crime

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For "Crimes in the United Kingdom" by year, is it the year of the crime or the year of conviction? For example, at Operation Midland we have at present both 2014 and 2019 though there was only one crime (perversion of the course of justice). For most crimes it is likely to be the year of the crime, but in this case it is less clear. I cannot see any guidance here.Davidships (talk) 08:45, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Can you help with page numbering?

I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the following book and could help with identifying some page numbers:

• Szereto, Mitzi (2020). "The Summer of the Fox by Mark Fryers". The Best New True Crime Stories: Small Towns. Mango Media. ISBN 978-1-64250-280-0.

I recently created the page Malcolm Fairley and have cited a chapter from the book in the article after finding it displayed in its entirety on Google Books. But Google Books doesn't show any page numbers for it. I mentioned this at the helpdesk and it was suggested I ask on the talk page of a relevant WikiProject, so here I am as this seems like a possible place where there may be someone who owns a copy. Any help would be much appreciated, and please feel free to edit the article and add the relevant information. Thanks in advance, This is Paul (talk) 21:54, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Sarah Everard Murder needs a wikipedia page?

Do you think the Murder of Sarah Everard should have a wikipedia page? If so, it should probably be made soon.DansterTheManster (talk) 17:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Femicide in the UK

Hi all, in light of recent events concerning the disappearance of Sarah Everard and the list of femicides read out in Parliament [1] and covered in the Guardian[2]. I have drafted a new navigation box template to highlight the femicides that have taken place and the organisations and support groups that exist also. I took my cue from the Black Lives Matter template (so it could cover related pages, existing and proposed legislation, popular culture also) but I wanted to gauge your opinion on the usefulness and appropriateness of the draft template as things stand. The template is here. and there is a discussion on the template's talk page about what is best to include (or not), so those who do not wish to see it do not have to. Stinglehammer (talk) 12:40, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Possible merger?

I have opened a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Crime_and_Criminal_Biography#Possible_merger_of_related_WikiProjects? suggesting potentially merging this WikiProject into the main Crime WikiProject, either directly or changing this project into a task force - please take a look and comment if you have any thoughts. SnowFire (talk) 22:05, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Note: I've added an inactive marker to the WikiProject status. Nobody else has chimed in favor or against on this particular project in the discussion at WPCRIME currently. SnowFire (talk) 08:34, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@SnowFire Why has this WikiProject changed status from Inactive to Defunct without a formal proposal to change its status? All that has been proposed is a possible merger. I would have expected reasonable notice be given to all interested users seeking their opinions on such a merger and a second proposal for making this WikiProject defunct, rather than just retaining it as inactive. Also, the fact that this sort of action was being contemplated should have been prominently displayed on at least the project page so that it might be noticed by other editors who are not members of this WikiProject. I would have thought the response you received at WikiProject Crime (now archived) should have been a clue that a lack of response does not mean your merger proposal was accepted by all editors. WP:POLSILENCE warns that lack of exposure of the proposed change of a policy, which I see this change as, may be a reason for the lack of response, not that anyone agrees with what has been done. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 10:32, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

@Cameron Dewe: It was prominently displayed for nine months on the main page with the "inactive" status tag. And this very talk thread was the proposal. Nobody responded, and more importantly, there have been no conversations and no nothing on this Wikiproject talk page for years and years and years, excluding bot notices. You've only noticed because I started, intentionally slowly, to actually clean up these banners, but there's nobody to talk too here. A WikiProject without active users isn't a thing - the whole point is to facilitate collaboration, which obviously isn't happening. More generally, the idea behind this project (and the Australia project) was incorrect to begin with. Subdividing projects is fine, but it needs to be sensible subdivisions - you can imagine someone creating a Wikiproject like "Crime articles that start with the letter A" but that would be silly. There's no need nor interest to call out British Crime as specially different, and no British Crime only community developed that wanted to be separate from the main Crime WP for some reason. This was a good-faith idea that didn't pan out, as is utterly obvious if you read the talk page. If you were genuinely using this WikiProject, you would have spoken up 9 months ago. You weren't, which is fine! Nobody was, so it wasn't a very useful place for collaboration. But that also means that we have to face facts: this WikiProject is defunct. SnowFire (talk) 15:47, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Converting to a task force

Since this project is listed as inactive, would there be any opposition in converting this into a task force of Wikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography? This would give articles in this project a wider editor pool to work with. Gonnym (talk) 09:29, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

The only issue I have with it is, fundamentally, British crime does not seem to be a particularly useful subset of crime, unlike say, Serial killers or organized crime. It's simply articles with an intersection of being both in the United Kingdom and crime-related, which IMO is a very misguided reason to have made a WikiProject - it's defined by being two overlapping scopes instead of a unique or specialized one

If it's going to be a task force of anything it should probably be of WikiProject United Kingdom (like how multiple WikiProjects have a law task force) Or barring that just flat out redirected to WP Crime and the pages marked historical or something PARAKANYAA (talk) 10:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

That's also a good point. Gonnym (talk) 10:24, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, checking again, that's closer to what Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia does with their template and WikiProject Australian crime. A crime parameter. Should be merged with WikiProject UK then - or at the very least the banner should as a subproject (idk if it matters if we change the name to task force) PARAKANYAA (talk) 10:38, 23 October 2023 (UTC)