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Warsaw

Hello. You reverted my edit to the etymology section in the article about Warsaw 29 August 2023. Could we please discuss it? What Wikipedia rules did my edit violate? I did provide a source and I think my edit was accurately worded and based on an academic research by a Polish linguist. It might be useful for readers. Your comment for the revert said the information was not constructive and had no source. Denghu (talk) 13:52, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your message. May I know the source you provided? I do not see it in the edit history. It is possible to make a bad assumption, especially when seeing a newly-added sentence with a phrase "one theory or another theory states" and no reference to support it. Merangs (talk) 01:20, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Gdańsk vote

I have to say the Gdańsk vote perhaps is an outdated and questionable rule that may need to be revisited. I don't see similar "rules" for Belarus, Ukraine or any other country's city/location in other articles, where such a rule is being push around. At the most at the top of the article, you have other city names in parentheses and that's it. See Vilnius, Helsinki, Lviv, etc. It's just this POV-ish chauvinistic mentality exhibited by some around anything remotely connected to Germany. --E-960 (talk) 12:14, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

July 2022

Hi Merangs! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Sweden that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia – it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. TylerBurden (talk) 15:45, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Krai

Re this. In English, you are right, but the infobox does say "Krai of Russian Empire" and it was Kraj / край. Anyway, see the RM at Talk:Western Krai, and cry with me over the terrible state of Krais of the Russian Empire entry... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:27, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I see. I feel like every article of a Polish state, entity or polity has three official names in the lead section. Merangs (talk) 20:43, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

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Second Polish Republic

What was wrong with my changes? Second Polish Republic didn't end on October 6, 1939 and didn't start on Nov 6, 1918. It's proper to inform that the offical name was different Marcelus (talk) 00:33, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

@Marcelus: - I think this is a de facto versus a de jure matter, where the latter is much preferred by Wikipedia standards. The 11 of November should stay as the official date as it is widely recognised and a public holiday. Moreover, do you have a source for the 6 of November? I am only aware of the Lublin People's Government being formed then as a prelude to independence. Merangs (talk) 11:40, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

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Romania

Can you please explain what is wrong with the so called "Wikipuffery" I did on the page? Romania is indeed considered an emerging middle power, has the fastest and cheapest fixed internet speeds in the world, and also, it's the happiest country in Eastern Europe, its rank increasing by every report each year.

Look at other pages such as Singapore, South Korea, and also Poland where there is much more "puffery" than Romania. Julian.exe (talk) 13:46, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Happiness reports (unless highly notable for nations such as Finland), internet speed, and trivial data should not be in the lead section at all. I left the part about it being an emerging middle power; this is sourced and significant considering current events in Europe. Merangs (talk) 21:12, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Ok, but why South Korea and Singapore have the part with "fastest internet connection speeds" Julian.exe (talk) 21:15, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

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SB and MBP

Why did you merge SB article (Służba Bezpieczeństwa) into the MBP article (Ministry of Public Security (Poland)) back in the 2020? This were two completely different organisations that didn't even overlap in time. MBP ceased to exist in 1954, SB was created in 1954. I'm literally furious right now. Marcelus (talk) 21:12, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

They can remain under one article as Bezpieka. The article contains information about both UB and SB. I support a name change of the article, if not then a revert of the move. Moreover, they were not that completely 'different'. Also, kindly keep your feelings to yourself please. Merangs (talk) 21:26, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Well I won't keep my feeling to myself, because you mixed totally different organisation under the name of one of them. This is vandalism. I think I need to check your other edits. Marcelus (talk) 21:28, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Kindly cite me the vandalism clause then and I will agree. The edit was done in Good Faith, like with my other contributions. I can see your history is much more controversial. Merangs (talk) 21:30, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

I already you explained your vandalism. You on the other hand accuses me without giving any examples. Marcelus (talk) 21:43, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

A POV claim. Regardless, if you do not agree with the edit feel free to revert or change the name of the article as I do not engage in edit wars or wiki conflicts. Unlike others. Merangs (talk) 21:53, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Please don't engage also in spreading false information. I for example don't do that. Marcelus (talk) 22:01, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Refering to region, not voivodeship

I'm doing that. Kartacze have some (but not strong) connection to Podlachia. Sękacz has no connection to Podlachia whatsoever. Both Kartacze and Sękacz are traditional dishes of Suwalszczyzna (Suwałki region/Suvalkija). Using the term "podlachia" to refer to the entire Podlaskie voivodeship is not only untrue, but also harmful to the region. Podlachian section should either be renamed (to Podlaskie or to "Podlachia and Suwałki region") or the reference to Sękacz should be removed from it. LEJ PO ŁYMPIE (talk) 23:03, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Gonna answer? LEJ PO ŁYMPIE (talk) 20:54, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Apologies, I don't know what edit of mine this concerns. I think that before renaming articles you should consult with other users. Merangs (talk) 21:03, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

John III Sobieski

Рlease explain why you removed the portrait? You wrote: "no such title, is this needed?" - The reason for the removal is not clear. Lanamy (talk) 11:40, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

There is enough pictures as it is. Moreover, your previous caption "King of Ukraine" is not very factual. Merangs (talk) 12:41, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

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Civitas Schinesghe

Do you know how to get rid of the ISO 3166 code in the Civitas Schinesghe infobox? E-960 (talk) 13:17, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@E-960: - Done. All I did was remove "common_name" input as it is used for contemporary states/entities and I added the term "former" into the template name at the top. Merangs (talk) 13:24, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Nice, many thanks! --E-960 (talk) 13:33, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@E-960: - No problem! Merangs (talk) 13:34, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Alternate City Names

I was curious as to your reasoning for only including alternate city names, specifically with regard to Thorn and Bromberg, in the footnotes alone. When viewing other similar city such a precedent appears to be absent and any alternate names are displayed in the first line alongside the most common name. Is there a precedent towards this formatting that dictates that this is the optimal method? Ben Unis (talk) 13:23, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I am not sure, I did not add the footnotes nor do I fully endorse it but placing the same information outside of them is simply redundant. Merangs (talk) 22:39, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Krakow

Gents, this is starting to look like a slow burn edit war. Please leave the article alone and take the discussion to the talk page. See WP:EDITWAR. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:48, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your contributions

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"Too large" image

Salutations. I've noticed you've deleted the picture of the granaries on the Brda river in Bydgoszcz with the comment that it's "too large". Care to explain further? As a person who uploaded the pic, I can change the resolution if that's what's you'd like. But deleting the most symbolic place of the city from the collage and calling it a day makes little sense. Greets, Ciastkoo (talk) 20:44, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi hi, can we make the collage smaller? The image of the River Brda and the granaries is really important but not sure about the quality and size. Merangs (talk) 00:40, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

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Bialystok reverted

Why is the wording "not the best?"

The partitions of Poland was a genocide of the country by it's German and Russian neighbors. 91.217.105.54 (talk) 15:45, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi. May I ask if you are aware what the term 'genocide' means in English? The partitions comprised stricte political maneuvering to destroy an entity or occupy it. The term genocide cannot be directly applied or is not the most suitable word to describe the partitions as a whole. Merangs (talk) 15:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Szczecin

So it's in the footnotes. So what? Why hide it down there? It needs to be in the lead paragraph for modern-day readers who out of ignorance may assume, as previously said, that "Stettin" was simply the German version of Szczecin. In fact, as I'm sure you are well aware, Stettin was the name of the town before 1945. That's fairly recent history – within living memory. Furthermore, the Polish and former German names are pronounced very differently!

What's wrong with historical transparency right up front? Afraid to admit that the place was annexed from Germany (at Stalin's behest), even though it's west of the Oder?

Everyone knows that Germany was the unimaginably horrific aggressor in WWII, but that's not the point. The point is that after the war was over, civilians were forcibly removed from their hometown. Absolutely no one today is talking about present-day Germany trying to get the place back. What are you afraid of? History?

Do widzenia. – Sca (talk) 01:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Sca: - Firstly, I understand where you are coming from but this information should be placed elsewhere. Secondly, the semi-aggressive tone you used above is not acceptable, especially the redundant questions. The history is obvious, it's there throughout the article. Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section, the very first paragraph should comprise the most essential information useful for the present-day location (e.g. name(s), population, current location, province). Also, as stated by the clause, "the first paragraph should define or identify the topic with a neutral point of view". Please direct me to a city article that could justify your edit. For example, do you see similar content in the first paragraph at Lviv stating that it was a part of Poland for centuries? Historical facts should go to subsequent sections. Merangs (talk) 12:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

This is a real issue. It's not made less so by other eastern Europe articles. But whatever. Część! -- Sca (talk) 12:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Poland

Your change to the lede lengthened it. Please explain your reasoning which compels you to remove the mention of the Polish-Soviet war from the lede. Also please explain why you think you have ownership over the lede. Meellk (talk) 13:35, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Meellk: - Firstly, your edit summaries (i.e. to please User Merangs etc.) are unacceptable, and so is the Wikipedia:Edit warring. Secondly, per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section, the lead section is a summary. The term "various conflicts of the interbellum" summarises the number of ideological/territorial disputes for Poland following its independence, including the Polish-Soviet War. By reverting my edit, you are limiting the importance of other conflicts for this period. Are any other conflicts mentioned in the lead section, except for the most recent (World War II and Cold War)? Your interpretation of me "removing" the Polish-Soviet War is false, because I have provided a link to all of those regional wars for the Second Polish Republic. Regarding your last query or issue, I take ownership of a well-written summary that was long-standing and changed little. I have done so for the last decade. I am open to constructive changes and if anything needs to change then the talk page is the place for discussion. Personally, I believe that mentioning this war directly will place an emphasis on the term "Soviet" in the article's lead and would overpower it over other key mentions of Poland's 1000 year history. Moreover, I have noticed that your edit is "seasonal", notably it was made shortly after the 15 of August which relates directly to the Battle of Warsaw (1920). Of course, my most recent edit regarding the various conflicts can be removed but then we would have to return to the original before your edit as well (see Help:Reverting). The current size of this section is appropriate, with seven to eight lines (depending on your screen format) in the two main paragraphs. See other country articles for comparison. It is not a GA page either. Merangs (talk) 13:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

To copy my reply to your message from 1:33 PM (UTC) on my Talk page: I simply copied the shorter paragraph from an earlier revision. Seemed long-standing enough for me. What are your objections? And what is your objection to highlighting the Polish-Soviet war. The partitions are highlighted, the Solidarity movement is highlighted. Why not the Polish-Soviet war? Without Poland's victory in it, there would've been no Poland today. Seems important enough to mention. Other conflicts were orders of magnitude less important. >>> Continuing, the third paragraph with the exception of the first sentence is all about the 20th century. I don't see how the word "Soviet" being uttered 2 times instead of 1 in this 20th century-related paragraph is undue weight. The Soviets weren't an issue to Poland just once in the 20th century. Hope you understand my points. Meellk (talk) 13:58, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I know and appreciate the importance of the Polish-Soviet War, but it is all in the link along with other wars that were correlated. The terms "German" and "Communist" are also only mentioned once, and accordingly. Other conflicts were equally as important in the last 1000 years, yet they are not mentioned. The Polish-Soviet War topic is also outlined in one sentence (not my contribution) in the section "Second Polish Republic" of the Poland article. The Battle of Warsaw is linked separately near the subheading. The lead section should outline events that directly ended or began Polish sovereignty/statehood/changed from of government, not ones that threatened it. This can be explored further in the body of the article. Personally, I think that one sentence under the Second Polish Republic subheading about the Polish-Soviet War is not enough. Three would be nice. Merangs (talk) 14:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, it's the age-old question of presentism. Of course, the 20th century is much more important to us than everything that happened in the preceding 9 out of 11 centuries of Polish and European history. This is the case for most other country pages too such as Germany (quite obviously). This is only natural, though. Consider also that the Armed Forces Day falling on August 15th, an event even more entrenched institutionally than the National Independence Day falling on November 11th, commemorates the Polish-Soviet war, and the Miracle on the Vistula precisely. This commemoration, with the accompanying great military parade, has been taking place for over 100 years now, since 1921. Meanwhile, the National Independence Day of November 11th was "only" formalized in the 1930s. I think you're downplaying the significance of the Polish-Soviet war and I only wish you just ranked its significance higher, not due to subjective factors, but objective factors. The entrenched institutional recognition of this event by the Polish State and Nation is an objective factor that I think should be reckoned with. Meellk (talk) 14:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

In no way am I attempting to downgrade or diminish the significance of that conflict, however, it is important how one presents history in the lead section. That's my only point. The Polish-Soviet War along with other correlated events in that period can really be summarised with that link which gives access to more information! Merangs (talk) 17:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

That link actually leads to all conflicts Poland was ever embroiled in. I really am asking you ever so kindly once again to reconsider your position and allow that previous sentence to stay. It is also shorter. Meellk (talk) 05:00, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

It shouldn't; after accessing the link, browser automatically redirects you to the section 1918-1939. It looks on point as of now (as a whole) and should not change any further. Merangs (talk) 18:54, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

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