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Nomination of 2009 Buffalo mayoral election for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 2009 Buffalo mayoral election is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mayoral elections until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Wow (talk) 22:43, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Stephen Strasburg GAR notification

Stephen Strasburg, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.—Bagumba (talk) 06:13, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Hunter Biden

How did I vandalize the page of Hunter Biden? I used reliable sources. Aceusa (talk) 20:53, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Aceusa, we've gone over this before. The mother of the child is not a notable person and WP:BLP does not support its inclusion. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:16, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Jane Dee Hull

On 21 April 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Jane Dee Hull, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:55, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

2022 United States Senate election in California

Why do you keep taking out the republican primary? It is vandalism. And potential is a word that means someone who could run, and the news doesn't list them, so please stop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpeedyShadow (talk • contribs) 15:29, April 21, 2020 (UTC)

@SpeedyShadow:, deleting WP:UNSOURCED content is not vandalism. Adding unsourced content can be a form of vandalism. Technically, every California citizen over the age of 30 by January 2023 could run in that election. If no reliable sources are talking about them as candidates, though, then we do not include them. It is unfortunate I had to protect the page to stop that edit warring so that I can get the chance to say this. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:40, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

SpeedyShadow, are you editing from this account and from Speedysonic? If so, why? You cannot use WP:MULTIPLE accounts unless you have a good reason. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:59, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I lost my old password and the email wouldn't send so i made this one. please dont ban me. Ok about deleting it thank you. but isnt taking out the primary part not ok? thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpeedyShadow (talk • contribs) 16:02, April 21, 2020 (UTC)

SpeedyShadow, that's an understandable reason to have created the second account, and I won't block you for that. What about the primary? We have no idea which candidates will run in that election on either side. Harris might not run, she might be VP or Attorney General. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:57, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I was asking can you add back like the part where it says Republican Primary? and declared and potential but not any candidates. Thank you.

ANI Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. --PackMecEng (talk) 22:50, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Your reversion of my reversion of BD2412

Regarding your insistence that my edits be tagged with the Wikipedia equivalent of a scarlet letter[1], the administrator whose edit you reinstated, BD2412, recently vowed to focus his "admin activities elsewhere"[2] in a promise to Levivich. That promise was pushed aside within a week, in order to undermine views with which BD2412 apparently disagrees. You may recall that BD2412 made the perplexing decision to block any non-admin edits to Joe Biden's presidential campaign article until after the election was over, which was shortly overruled by another administrator (Iridescent). You defended BD2412's self-reinsertion into the Joe Biden space with the argument that the tags were "Added by an admin," and therefore appropriate. I also see that you reverted this edit that had already been reverted without gaining consensus on the talk page, which may violate the policies listed at the talk page: "If a change you make to this article is reverted, you may not reinstate that change unless you discuss the issue on the talk page and wait 24 hours." Does this policy not apply to talk pages? Also, are admins given certain powers to tag people's edits that are not available to the common editor? Please clarify. — Sockpuppet comment of a community banned user

Any of us could have added the SPA tag. SPECIFICO talk 19:39, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

All the more reason why it's strange that Muboshgu pointed to the fact that BD2412 is an admin to justify it. — Sockpuppet comment

SeriousIndividuals, exactly what SPECIFICO said. What BD2412 is or is not doing on that page is irrelevant. You are an WP:SPA and that template exists for a reason. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:42, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Neither SPECIFICO or you addressed anything I asked. Will you clarify the questions I asked? Is the board where BD2412 agreed to stay away from Joe Biden articles a better place to be asking these questions? — Sockpuppet comment

@SeriousIndividuals: Per the above, tagging SPAs is regular editing, not an administrative activity. However, I can't help noticing that you have only recently begun editing Wikipedia, but appear to have started with an uncanny familiarity with Wikipedia editing. I am wondering, since you did not use this account to participate in the ANI discussion to which you referred, which account did you use for that purpose? BD2412 T 19:55, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

As I pointed out, Muboshgu pointed to the fact that you're an "admin" to justify the editing, and implying that non-admin editors can't revert you. See the contradiction? You said you would direct your admin activities elsewhere, but then Muboshgu is telling people that you can't be reverted on Joe Biden articles because you're an admin. I didn't participate in that discussion. Anybody can view it. — Sockpuppet comment

The relevant factor is not that I am an administrator, but that I am an editor with fifteen years of experience in dealing with SPAs. Let me ask you directly, though, have you edited Wikipedia from any other accounts? BD2412 T 20:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

If it's not relevant, then why is Muboshgu using your admin status as a cudgel to intimidate me into not reverting your scarlet letter tagging and involvement in Joe Biden-related articles? In answer to your question, I edited anonymously until I created an account at the suggestion of others. I got sick of being tagged, which apparently didn't make a difference because the campaign continues. — Sockpuppet comment

I can't speak for Muboshgu's actions, but I doubt that very many people will find it plausible that you have up until now edited anonymously. Can you provide proof of this? Also, that does not specifically answer my question. Have you edited Wikipedia from any other accounts? BD2412 T 20:43, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

SeriousIndividuals, BD2412 is a respected member of the community here. You are right that they're being an admin is not what gives them the right to tag you as an SPA. It was easier for me to say than to say that they have 15 years experience here (since I didn't know the length of time). – Muboshgu (talk) 20:54, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

So just so I have this right, there is no policy saying that I can't remove tags under my name? I don't like that and I view it as an attempt to undermine views with which BD2412 disagrees. I don't have the time to do this all day, but if I remove the tags, will you just re-add them again and keep going in circles until someone gets tired? — Sockpuppet comment

The tags properly identify you as a single-purpose account. So far as you have been able to demonstrate, you have done nothing at all in Wikipedia except to advocate in one specific topic area. If you choose to engage in an edit war over that accurate designation, that will end no differently for you than for any other SPA who so behaves. Alternately, you could make a few thousand edits improving articles on diverse topics unrelated to your issue, and then your opinions on that issue might be given some weight by readers. BD2412 T 21:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Muboshgu already initiated an "edit war." He made a reversion of contested material within 24 hours. Within 10 minutes, actually. I don't want to get into an edit war with two administrators, which is why I came here to request clarification as to the policies behind tagging people's edits. I still haven't gotten an answer so I'm going to have to seek clarification elsewhere. — Sockpuppet comment

• Seems rather silly to edit war over a user essay. Take it to WP:SPI if you think there is a case. Otherwise I plan on undoing it later. PackMecEng (talk) 20:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  @PackMecEng: Can you clarify what it is that you plan on "undoing"? BD2412 T 20:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  @BD2412: It would be undoing Muboshgu's revert here. PackMecEng (talk) 21:44, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  I would respectfully request that you not do that, as the tag accurately identifies an account that is doing nothing on Wikipedia but advocating with respect to one specific issue. {{Single-purpose account}} tagging is routinely used to identify such accounts. By what rationale would this information be concealed? BD2412 T 21:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  By what rationale would it be considered useful? Even the tag itself says it should not be used to prejudge someones contributions to a discussion or RFC. I see the tag and the user essay supporting it to just be a form of tag shamming and counter to a collaborative editing environment. PackMecEng (talk) 21:50, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  There are tens of thousands of uses of this tag in Wikipedia. Do you intend to remove them all? It sounds as if your objection is to a well-established process, rather than to a particular instance of the use of this process. I would suggest that if you propose to abolish the use of this tag, you start by opening a discussion at the Village Pump, rather than addressing a single instance that will quickly be restored or retagged by another editor. BD2412 T 22:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  Don't be ridiculous. I plan on reverting a challenged tag. If I see others that have been challenged I may remove them as well, but I have no plans on hunting for them. PackMecEng (talk) 22:14, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  You seem to be planning to revert an edit that was already reverted back once. Please gain consensus before re-reverting. BD2412 T 22:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  Onus is on the other side. PackMecEng (talk) 22:28, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  The use of SPA tags is a well-established practice, which you propose to change in one special instance. The onus is on you to gain consensus for that. Also, you asked by what rationale this would be considered useful. I'm sure that you are aware that there are many people in the world who have no interest in building an encyclopedia, but who would like to use Wikipedia to make various kinds of self-serving statements, and who try to create a false appearance of general community support for positions that serve their own individual interests. This is undoubtedly something that happens with respect to political issues more than most other kinds of issues. BD2412 T 22:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  PackMecEng, by reverting my edit, you perpetuated an edit war rather than stop it. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  That's a touch rich, don't you think? "If you shoot back, you'll be perpetuating the war instead of stopping it", said the guy who shot first. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 23:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  Levivich, such is the nature of edit wars, is it not? At what point does it become an edit war? Was it my edit? Or PackMecEngs? – Muboshgu (talk) 00:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

  On Wikipedia, the war doesn't start until the second shot is fired? I'm pretty fanatical about not removing people's talk page comments except in very clear-cut cases (obvious vandalism, WP:DENY, etc.), so I would say the "first shot" in the Great Talk:Joe Biden Edit War of April 21, 2020, was fired by the first editor to remove another editor's talk page comment, which I believe makes you the second shooter and PME the third; both participants, yet neither one instigators. But who's counting? Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 04:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

This SPA tagging and reverting also came up a few days ago. If the tagged user objects to being tagged, there is no good faith reason to revert it back against their will. There's also no need to tag every comment in a thread. It wasn't necessary for Muboshgu to bring up BD's status as an admin as any justification for why their added tag had any more weight than one added by a non-admin. Finally, BD's comment Alternately, you could make a few thousand edits improving articles on diverse topics unrelated to your issue, and then your opinions on that issue might be given some weight by readers. goes against the open and collaborative nature of the project, and can be safely ignored. Mr Ernie (talk) 07:18, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

It's not necessary to tag every comment in a thread, but there are good faith reasons to revert the removal of the tag over the user's objections. Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 14:13, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Baseball player

Hey i hope all is going well I like your baseball player articles, I just got drafted by the Redsox this year would you be able to make a biography about me on Wikipedia let me know what you can do, thank you. Baseballfan4 (talk) 22:21, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Baseballfan4, well, congratulations. Even though I'm a Yankees fan. If you want to have a biography on Wikipedia, we need reliable sources that establish notability. If there's not enough for a full page, there would still have to be some to qualify for Boston Red Sox minor league players. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I have a some articles written on me Baseballfan4 (talk) 20:25, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Baseballfan4, such as? – Muboshgu (talk) 17:31, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm assuming this user is also Boston4you (talk · contribs). Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:41, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Eagles247, could be, though it would be disappointing to see the use of multiple accounts. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:48, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Bill de Blasio

Dear User:Muboshgu, I notice that you reverted my edits at the article about Bill de Blasio. I actually did not mean to revert you, but my mouse clicked on the rollback button. Given that the revert occurred, I did reword the statement in light of your edit summary. Nevertheless, De Blasio's opposition to the field hospital set up by Samaritan's Purse has been noted by major publications, such as The New York Times, which you removed. I would welcome further rewording of the newly added information, but I do not believe that a wholesale revert is appropriate. If you disagree, we can open a section on the talk page of the article and invite others to comment. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 23:35, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Additionally, I noted the reason that you removed the information and references from the article; please kindly refer to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Fox News. Thanks, Anupam^Talk 00:11, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Anupam, other publications have picked it up, but that doesn't mean it's not WP:UNDUE to mention it. I will look at what language you reinserted later. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:02, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Editing

Election results and endorsements are sourced correctly. You can not skew this page to match your views. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polysciprofessor (talk • contribs) 16:59, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Polysciprofessor, nor am I. You're copy-pasting directly from articles. That's not allowed under any circumstances. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:01, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Muboshgu, it looks like they re-added the text from https://www.sba-list.org/candidate/beth-van-duyne. -- LuK3 (Talk) 17:18, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Remedy for the celebrity photo of Jillian Bell?

I thought I picked the right license for the photograph. How can I remedy this? Xanderox (talk) 20:08, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Xanderox, what license is that? I didn't see any Creative Commons license. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:20, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

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Pat Toomey

Hello, you recently protected Pat Toomey due to disruptive POV editing by an IP range at 72.86.138.xxx. Well, they're back. Just wanted to let you know. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 13:45, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

ZimZalaBim, I see it's been taken care of for the time being. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:35, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

European water polo championships

Hi, I got a problem with Pelmeer10. Please, this is official LEN medals table for both competition, men's and women's. You can see what I say so many times - Medals from USSR belong to Russia, and from Yugoslavia to Serbia. Check this, please

However, read this

Serbia clinches 4th title in a row, though Spain falls only in shootoutFor the first time in the history of the European Water Polo Championships, the penalty shootout decided the title and it was retained by Serbia, despite an electrifying performance of the host Spaniards. This was the Serbs’ 8th gold medal, and the 7th in the last nine editions since 2001. Croatia got rid of its demons and clinched the bronze medal after four lost matches played for the third place in the past.

So, this is the prouv what i talking about, and Pelmeer10 delete this BudvaMontenegro (talk) 15:38, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

This is a content dispute I am not involved in. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:27, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

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2018 Santa Ana mayoral election

I was going to recreate the article with many more details, like a map and more citations, but it got deleted before I had the chance to add them. Kart2401real (talk) 16:19, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Kart2401real, the article you put there was basically the same exact article as was deleted by a discussion. That discussion determined that the subject is not notable. Please see WP:CSD#G4. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:27, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Stacey Abrams

There seems to be a bit of a kerfuffle on this article, the bit about her having never won a contested election. I would appreciate your comment on this matter. --''Paul, in Saudi'' (talk) 12:45, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Aaron Judge edit.

Jose Altuve is a fucking cheater. Aaron Judge won MVP. Jose Altuve didn't deserve MVP, so therefore Aaron Judge is MVP — Preceding unsigned comment added by GusTheBus09 (talk • contribs) 16:03, April 28, 2020 (UTC)

@GusTheBus09: like it or not (and I don't), Altuve won the AL MVP award in 2017. If you vandalize pages again, you will be blocked from editing. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:10, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Stonecold415

Is there anything that can be done to educate or block this user from editing? I'm sure you have seen it on many of the baseball player pages (I focus on updates for indy & foreign leagues). A substantial amount of his edits are bad, whether it's not following the proper MOS (one sentence subsections), adding unsourced content, or more recently, creating player pages for indy league players that clearly violate WP:Notability. Like this one. I'm getting really sick of having to constantly track his edits and revert most of them - especially for the pages I follow closely. I've pointed this out before on his talk page and so have you, but he doesn't seem to be changing his ways at all.

I get that in some cases, he's adding more information to some of the player pages and thus keeping things updated. But in most cases he's just adding content verbatim from that player's MiLB or Baseball Reference page in one-to-two sentence subsections without sourcing anything. I really don't think those are productive edits.

Just wanted to ask if you'd been seeing the same and if you had any suggestions for dealing with this. He's been an active user since 2018, but it's just frustrating to have to continually babysit him and revert all of his edits.

Thanks for your time and appreciate your hard work! Pozzi.c (talk) 20:41, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Pozzi.c, yes, I am aware of what you are talking about. It may be time to elevate the situation to an appropriate noticeboard, like WP:AN/I, to get consensus for whether or not this editor should have restrictions placed on them. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:51, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Bias against mainstream media

Muboshgu, you accused me of having bias against mainstream media.[3] I stated that "mainstream media are often not RS", and I believe that the media's treatment of the Tara Reade story will serve as a notable example where the mainstream media has not been reliable.[4] The Columbia Journalism Review notes that the story "struggled for traction in the mainstream media",[5] and links to The Guardian story, "Why has the media ignored sexual assault and misbehaviour allegations against Biden?" My opinion is based on my interpretation of what the sources say. Please take back what you said about my bias. Kolya Butternut (talk) 20:15, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, your opinion is your personal bias. It's okay to acknowledge that. We all have our biases. You are looking at what the CJR says and the question the Guardian has asked and come down on the side of the MSM not doing its job, and that's but one interpretation of the situation. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:29, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Please take back your use of the word "bias", which I interpret to mean "prejudice", as in "the mainstream media demonstrated bias against Tara Reade". Kolya Butternut (talk) 20:39, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, I believe that when you say things like "the mainstream media demonstrated bias against Tara Reade", that proves my point. That isn't just random words you put together but your opinion, correct? We go with what the reliable sources do, not criticize them for how we perceive them to have failed. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:45, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Also, "bias" and "prejudice" are not the same thing, and I am not implying you are prejudiced. Biases that are not checked can, though, become prejudices, and we all have to be aware of the possibility of that. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:02, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

It's hard to see how you're speaking in good faith when you don't acknowledge the usual meaning of your words. When you say that you're noting my bias against the mainstream media, that doesn't sound like you're just acknowledging my evidence-based opinion. "Bias" may not be the same as "prejudice", but it is an "Inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair." Please take back your use of the word.[6] Kolya Butternut (talk) 21:13, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, perhaps I have not been clear enough in the terminology? Bias is human. Prejudice is acting upon that bias. You believe the MSM is not giving proper weight to the story, rather than acknowledge that her story has been inconsistent and that might be the reason it hasn't gotten as much press as you think it should get. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:06, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm disappointed with you. Kolya Butternut (talk) 23:20, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, sorry to disappoint. I do not think we are seeing eye to eye on what we are talking about here. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:25, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

I think I see things very clearly, and your overall behavior which I have witnessed recently has disappointed me. I expect better from administrators. Kolya Butternut (talk) 23:28, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, I'm not some robot. I'm a human with my own biases. And I don't serve as an administrator in the post-1932 U.S. politics realm, except in obvious cases of vandalism that require a block or page protection. I don't know what you expect. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:34, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

For starters, I expect you to not only say things that benefit yourself. Kolya Butternut (talk) 23:44, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, I don't take your meaning on that. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:48, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

You're arguing in one direction, the direction that benefits you. Kolya Butternut (talk) 23:55, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

This comment does not make sense. The project as a whole benefits from distinguishing reliable sources from unreliable ones, based on the track record of sources in vetting their content. The fact that a generally reliable news source may be scooped by others has no bearing on its reliability. However, one of the standards of accurate journalism is the fullest possible investigation of stories before reporting them. It's not our role as an encyclopedia to guess at the internal processes of news outlets. BD2412 T 00:24, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

From 30,000 feet, Kolya Butternut, it looks as if you have some underlying concerns that remain unstated. When you say "I'm disappointed in you" "things that benefit yourself" etc.-- there's nothing in this thread that really relates to those words,which do however suggest a profound issue that remains unsaid. I wonder whether you might try to state your frustration in entirely different terms? Is there some alternative approach that might be difficult but would be clearer and possibly would elicit get responses from other editors that you'd find more constructive, or at least less opaque. SPECIFICO talk 00:40, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

It might seem opaque to you because this doesn't concern you. Kolya Butternut (talk) 00:58, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

No, it's pretty clear—some of us have been around long enough to have substantial experience with editors seeking to present a conspiratorial view as an encyclopedic narrative. What is unclear is what you mean by "benefit". Are you proposing that Muboshgu gains some individual benefit from supporting the view substantially held by the community with respect to what sources are reliable? BD2412 T 01:57, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'm talking about conduct, not content.  Kolya Butternut (talk) 02:07, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

No, your first post was directly related to the ultimate issue of what constitutes reliable sources with respect to some very specific content. You appear to assert that "the media" is acting as a single-minded entity with respect to content covered in a particular article or set of articles. BD2412 T 02:15, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Sigh.  I can't make you see something that you don't want to see.  Conduct has context, the context here is not terribly important.  You're misinterpreting what I'm saying and what I believe.  But again, this doesn't concern you.  Kolya Butternut (talk) 02:21, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I still have no idea what you mean about my "conduct" "benefiting" me. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:46, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I feel like you have a bias in favor of yourself at the expense of the truth (as most people do, however). Kolya Butternut (talk) 15:55, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Look, Kolya Butternut, this is getting a bit much. As an uninvolved admin in the AP area, comments such as: it's hard to see how you're speaking in good faith [etc.] are a concern to me. Doubting the good faith of editors in good standing is a bit of a non-starter. El_C 16:05, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, El C. Do you mind subjecting yourself to patrolling Joe Biden related articles for the next six months? I'll give you all of the barnstars if you do.

My editing in Wikipedia articles is about the subjects of the articles, I do not appear in any of them so I'm still befuddled by the comment. Doesn't every person have a "bias in favor of [themselves]" in life? How exactly is it "at the expense of the truth"? – Muboshgu (talk) 16:12, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Muboshgu, sounds like fun-in-the-sun! I'm not sure what I'd do with that much excitement, though. El_C 16:17, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

El C, ha! Hillary-related articles became a mess in 2016. It may be just as bad, if not worse, this year. You're a quality admin without bias in this area. Maybe we need to recruit a few more. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:21, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words, Muboshgu. Certainly, I'll do what I can to help. El_C 16:41, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry, El_C, but that's how I feel. I suppose I could have said "It's hard to see how what you're saying is honest..." That way the focus is on the behavior rather than the individual, and allows for the possibility that any possible dishonesty may be unintentional. That being said, I do not appreciate you joining the conversation by what I feel is tone-policing my grievance. Muboshgu, I think you might have been unintentionally interpreting my words pedantically.  I am saying I feel like you may have taken actions influenced by bias at the expense of the truth. Kolya Butternut (talk) 16:28, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

And to clarify yet again, I am not discussing article content. Perhaps I'll just leave it with a simple request: please make an effort to demonstrate more cognitive empathy. Kolya Butternut (talk) 16:37, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, I am alerting you that you are skirting the line between what are legitimate queries and what is otherwise. I think my congnitive empathy is just fine. But I'm asking you to please do better. El_C 16:41, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

No, El_C, I have not judged your cognitive empathy; I have asked Muboshgu, and now I am asking you, to please demonstrate it. Twice now you have inserted yourself into my conversation to alert me of my word choices while giving no words to the content of my communications. Regardless of whether you find my grievance to have merit, I have a valid experience, as we all do. In the future please show that you are understanding. Kolya Butternut (talk) 17:07, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, this is becoming tendentious. Please leave Muboshgu in peace and just move on. Whatever point you had has either been advanced, or not, but continuing with these exchanges has become inappropriate. El_C 17:12, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree that this exchange has become tendentious, but I am disappointed that you continue to engage in the same behavior about which I have complained, and you do not take responsibility for your own part here. Good day. Kolya Butternut (talk) 17:26, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

@Kolya Butternut: the root of the problem here is that you are making cryptic accusatory pronouncements. To the outside observer, it certainly seems that you are saying that there is a secret "truth" that the media as a whole is conspiring to cover up, and that an editor's agreement with our existing policies defining reliable sources is somehow benefiting from this. An attack wrapped in riddles is still an attack. Speak plainly. I'm beginning to doubt your ability to do so. BD2412 T 17:30, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

@Kolya Butternut: I also find your conduct here tendentious. This makes the fourth administrator who finds your behavior troubling. I would truly recommend that you modify how you interact with others. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 17:34, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

BD2412, I think the root of the problem is that you're not hearing me. As I have repeatedly stated, I am not discussing content. And I attempted to put the focus on the simple concept of "cognitive empathy". My grievance is over conduct and personality conflicts which are commonplace on Wikipedia. Please don't project conspiracy theories onto me. If you'd like to continue this conversation on your talk page or mine, please do, but we're not talking about the same thing.

78.26I, am attempting to extricate myself from this discussion, so please do not make any more comments about my behavior on this talk page where I will not have the opportunity to respond. I am hearing a fourth administrator express concerns about my conduct, and a fourth administrator not communicate understanding of the content of my concerns. Kolya Butternut (talk) 17:41, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

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2020 coronavirus pandemic in France

Please repair statistics (Appeltree1 (talk) 09:12, 2 May 2020 (UTC)). On 22:51, 1 May 2020 you remove dashes, the graphs are now not correctly presented. Kind regards (Appeltree1 (talk) 09:12, 2 May 2020 (UTC)).

Appeltree1, I don't see anything that got broken by my edit? – Muboshgu (talk) 16:46, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Date formats in citation coding

Re this, I wanted to confirm that you're aware that the templates now render these dates according to the "Use xxx dates" template when one is present, regardless of how they are coded. If you think the format in the coding is important, fine with me, but I don't bother. To me that's like coding |last=|first= because that how names are rendered, when it makes more sense to code them in the order you see them. In news sources, that's almost always "First Last". ―Mandruss ☎ 05:39, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Mandruss, yeah, I know. It's the WikiGnome in me though. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:30, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Edits

Why not investigate missing years in a Democrat “judge’s” background, instead of deleting the most likely option? This person came here from Columbia, by way of Mexico, with nothing to fill in the blanks between appearing here and graduating from college/becoming a citizen on the same day. Rydercat (talk) 04:44, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Rydercat, Wikipedia is not a source of investigative journalism. Mind your WP:BLP violations. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:13, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Elise By Olsen

Hi Muboshgu,

when having a look at the history of Elise By Olsen, do you agree that the undeletion may have been done for a sockpuppet? Should we at least draftify it? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 12:39, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

ToBeFree, looking through the article history, I would be shocked if User:Loveolsen is not User:Elisebyolsen. Elisebyolsen was blocked with a soft block, though. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:03, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, yes; this would be fine. They seem to have been hardblocked as "Martheemilien" shortly after, however. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Silly me not looking deeper into the edit history. I would not be surprised if the three accounts were done by the same person. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:19, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

No worries, thank you very much for the quick assessment. I think the encyclopedia does benefit from the article, and from the edits. The article has also already been reviewed by an independent reviewer, so there's not much to do there. I have added a conflict of interest tag, updated the list on the talk page and blocked the account for now, but I don't think reverting the edit or the move would help. It's more of a formality and probably fine as is. The COI tag and the block can probably be removed sooner or later. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:47, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

ToBeFree, agreed. I'm a member of the deletionist society, so I had some thought of taking it to AfD, which would at least provide some credibility to it if kept, but I don't feel strongly enough about it to nominate it personally. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:55, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Page move

Can you please move this page into a page that you salted a few months ago? - Akhiljaxxn (talk) 17:32, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Akhiljaxxn,  Done – Muboshgu (talk) 17:40, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Immigration Question

I might be barking up the wrong tree, but I saw that you had chimed in[7] on the Illegal Immigration name change a few years ago and I recognize you from some baseball edits. I'm in a debate about a character in the film Knives Out being referred to as an illegal immigrant or an undocumented worker. There's reliable sources using both terms. Is there any standard for that? The article title is Illegal Immigration, but "undocumented immigrant" could mean a few different things. Where would be a good place to figure out which term should be used for immigrants in country illegally? Or does it even matter and both can be used interchangeably? Some guidance would be useful. Thanks! - Nemov (talk) 14:49, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Nemov, the general idea is that No one is illegal. A person can be undocumented, but not "illegal". Here's a good article on it from The Guardian.[8] – Muboshgu (talk) 15:40, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm well aware of that activist concept, but a person being called "illegal" is different than the status of "illegal immigrant." Undocumented doens't really many anything, but I guess I'll drop it... looks like I've walked into a hot button political discussion. Thanks again for your time! Happy editing. - Nemov (talk) 15:45, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

United States Senate career of Joe Biden

You added a few references to

• Gadsen 2012

in that article, but without a full citation it's impossible to know what they reference is. Could you add them please?

Also if you use User:Svick/HarvErrors.js, you'll be notified of these errors in the future. If you don't know how to install it let me know, I'll walk you through it. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:05, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Headbomb, I split the content from Joe Biden. I'd have to look into it to figure it out. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Turkey page protection

The full page protection for Turkey has now been expired for 3 hours already. You can indef semi protect the article again, as the person responsible for temporary full protection isn't online right now. Thank you for your time! DoanVN (talk) 00:46, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

DoanVN,  Done – Muboshgu (talk) 00:57, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Han Chinese revdel

As you revdel'ed there, WhoAteMyButter's revert at 22:00 UTC still has the edit summary (and thus the Fu'erdai LTA vandal's screenname) visible. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 23:44, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

CaradhrasAiguo, thanks for pointing that out! I miss those reverting edit summaries sometimes. I'll double check all of that account's edits to make sure I didn't leave any behind. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Why did you undo all my edits, lock the page and not even respond to me?

The first sentence of Michael Avenatti's page also states that he represented a legal client. Why don't we just remove the word "attorney" from that sentence as well then? Why is it only "convicted felon" that you have decided is unworthy of being on an article? (For the reason that it was later mentioned in the same sentence) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeaconShotFire (talk • contribs) 13:03, May 15, 2020 (UTC)

@DeaconShotFire:, the opening sentence already says he's a felon, so you're repeating information already given in the sentence. Meanshile, this was a slow moving edit war (which I acknowledge participating in), and nobody should edit war. Discussion should happen on talk pages, not in back-and-forth edit summaries. I said what I needed to say in my previous edit summary, you reverted anyway, so why would I revert again with another edit summary? I maintained the established version and protected the page to stop disruptive editing. I also opened a talk page discussion that you can participate in at Talk:Michael Avenatti#Opening sentence to discuss whether or not we should change the opening sentence from its status quo to something else. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

FYI

Did you mean to put your comment down in the discussion area, or did you intend to add it to the rest of the !Votes in the RFC above? Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 18:56, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

AzureCitizen, d'oh. I'll fix. Thanks for pointing that goof out. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:57, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Bob Watson

On 16 May 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Bob Watson, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Black Kite (talk) 11:49, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

marie yovanovitch

Why would you revert my non-POV, well sourced, and relevant edit? Then protect the page on your own accord for no apparent reason? You even changed it back to show her as being currently being a US diplomat and member of foreign service even though she's retired and "was" both of those things? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8805:DC00:1820:BD82:7739:E387:AE4E (talk) 19:15, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

All of those edits were POV nonsense pushed by right wing sources that aren't credible. Those WP:BLP violations cannot stand, and clearly you would have tried to reinsert them. We start articles with "was" only for people who are deceased. And she isn't retired. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:18, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

My edit was not POV in the slightest and you know it. My source was a main stream news organization and you know it. Articles don't start as was just for deceased people. It does so for career status also. She is absolutely retired from federal service (literally a few lines down in the lead). If you don't like the word was than change her job to her current position and put was for federal service. They weren't BLP violations and you know it.

Also try and assume good faith like a Wiki administrator should. You have no reason at all to assume I would have reinserted, try and lose the personal attacks. You're an administrator, act like one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8805:DC00:1820:BD82:7739:E387:AE4E (talk) 19:26, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Also completely unnecessary blocking view of the edits so. The only rationale I can think of is so others can't see the reasonable edit and the source and question your revert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8805:DC00:1820:BD82:7739:E387:AE4E (talk) 19:30, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

I deleted edits that are serious BLP violations. John Solomon is not a reliable source. He's the one who fed nonsense to Giuliani, kicking off the failed attempt to manufacture dirt on Joe Biden in the Ukraine. My actions were necessary. If you want to contest them, go to WP:AN/I. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:40, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

I saw you requested my page on Theresa Greenfield to be deleted. Given she has a legitimate chance of winning the office she is running for, which is a major federal office (the United States Senate), I ask you to remove the request to delete the page, for it might be recreated later on anyway if she wins the election.

Thanks, -Tony. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tony456002 (talk • contribs) 05:51, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Merely having the possibility of winning office, and becoming notable, doesn't get one a wiki page. She's not notable unless she wins the election, or other things happen that make her notable. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:51, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Stubbing contest and such

Hi, Muboshgu. OK, so I totally don't understand how this stubbing contest and US50K thing works. When I create an article related to the U.S. am I supposed to list it in that general list at Wikipedia:The 50,000 Challenge? And if it was since May 1 should I also add {{WPUS50}} to the talk page? Does it have to be on the general list to add the tag? With a little explanation I can probably figure that much out. But do I have to list it at the time I write the article? Or can I add things retroactively now that I have learned about it? In one place they say this has been going on since 2016, and I have probably done dozens of such articles since 2016; should I add them now? I have done at least one other article since May 1, should I add it and tag it? I have never paid much attention to the various "contests" up to now, and I must say the instructions are less than clear. Thanks for any help. -- MelanieN (talk) 04:46, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

MelanieN, yeah we list the articles there, and add the template to the talk page. You can list anything from December 2016 onwards. It's been going on so long that I admit I'm a little forgetful of the details beyond that. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:50, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. From looking it over: At first I thought it was trying to count or tally the articles being added. But I realized it couldn't be that; they are having trouble finding 50,000 over a period of years, and we probably get at least 10,000 US-related articles every month. I QPQed a nice article about a California lake just this week; they are very common. This contest is an encouragement for people to write such articles, with a competition and potential reward thrown in for those who are into that kind of thing. I don't really think I am into that stuff so I think I will pass. In fact it looks like more hassle than fun. But thanks for the suggestion and the information. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:17, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

P.S. I just looked at my own statistics. I have written only six five (one was a DAB) articles so far this year, and while all of them are about US-related subjects, they are not specifically about the US or the states; they are about American people or operas or such. I'm not doing nearly as much writing as I did before becoming an admin - and before getting involved with riding herd on American political articles. How about you? -- MelanieN (talk) 19:20, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

MelanieN, same. I'm writing a bit less. Then again, my two main areas are (1) U.S. politics and (2) baseball, and I just can't with baseball right now due to the COVID delay. WPUS50k takes a very broad definition of "improved" though, so as long as you think it's an improvement, it can get listed. It has been somewhat of a hassle for me to remember at times though. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:46, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Jon Godfread

On 23 May 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jon Godfread, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Jon Godfread is the world's tallest politician, according to Guinness World Records? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jon Godfread. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Jon Godfread), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Have seen you around a bit and...

Just wanted to thank you for bringing much-needed sanity, caution, and reason into editing and discussion. You have the qualities of a good administrator. RedHotPear (talk) 05:04, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

RedHotPear, thank you! – Muboshgu (talk) 16:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

This just proves that Wikipedia is politically slanted.

That is all I have to say, have a great day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.66.146.234 (talk) 21:58, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Your BLP violations are not acceptable anywhere on Wikipedia, regardless of the political beliefs of the person's article you vandalize. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:01, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I promise not to edit anymore sites, but my point was proven. Wikipedia should just admit that it is favored towards the left instead of pretending to be a neutral site. It is deceptive to not do this. I am clearly not going to win this battle, but nothing that you say is going to convince me that wikipedia is not biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.66.146.234 (talk) 22:06, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I protect plenty of pages of right-wing people as well as left-wing. Your point is wrong. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:09, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Eh, once someone says "nothing that you say is going to convince me", is there really any point in directing any evidence to their attention? BD2412 T 22:34, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

BD2412, good point. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Category (Market, Marketing) rename vs. article restore, by country: looks like you were misled

Please note that Category:Market research companies by country has sixteen subcategory entries, all named Marketing research companies of (name of country: Australia, Brazil, Canada, etc.).

The parent category was named Category:Marketing research ...]] until someone entrusted with superpowers renamed it. All I'm asking is that it be restored.

Your name is on a comment that was mangled before you saw it.. Please look at What it looked like before it got mangled. The mangled thing to which your name is attached is at [[WP::Requests for undeletion/Archive 348#Category:Marketing research companies by country]] and that seems to be addressing someone else, and an article restore; mine is a category restore. Pi314m (talk) 23:21, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Pi314m, if you want it renamed, you should go through WP:CFD. Why my name is there I do not know, especially as it was a G6 deletion and not a G11. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:10, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Nick McKenzie page.

Hi Admin, can you help protect page against vandalism. Same user keeps attacking. Qldsydmel (talk) 03:33, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

My name is not "Admin". And it looks to be a content dispute, not vandalism. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:24, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

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Sorry to revert

I felt your post at Talk:Death of George Floyd was a flagrant violation of WP:NOTFORUM even if what you said is 100% correct, which I agree with. It looks bad to warn one user for mildly FORUMing and then to have an admin come back full steam and just start giving opinions on the topic of the article. —DIYeditor (talk) 19:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

DIYeditor, not a problem. I was a little on the fence about posting it because of NOTFORUM. I knew it was a grey area and have no objection to what you did. I do appreciate the direct message about it. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:06, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding. Hopefully someone will come along and close that discussion. —DIYeditor (talk) 20:14, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Yeah I hope so too. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:26, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

El_C took care of it the same minute I commented that suggestion here. Best way to handle threads like that. —DIYeditor (talk) 20:28, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it just gets challenging to see it as early as is possible when you are WP:INVOLVED. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:51, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

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Josve05a, sorry about that. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

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GA nomination of Sign stealing

I noticed that you removed my addition of the GA nomination template for Sign stealing with the edit summary "you don't get to come in here and make one edit and nominate for GA." I would like to point out a few things:

1. There is nowhere that says people who have made only x amount of edits to an article cannot nominate it for GA. Quite to the contrary, the GA instructions page says Anyone can nominate, and that some people nominate GAs without even making a single edit to it.

2. Even if there was some unwritten rule that says you have to have more than one edit to a page to nominate, I usually condense all my edits into one so as not to artificially inflate my edit count.

Also, I wanted to point out that, while I feel you did not make the right call here, I really appreciate your work on baseball articles. I almost always smile when I see your name on my watchlist. Ghinga7 (talk) 23:08, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Ghinga7, I thank you for that last point. WP:GAN also says Nominators who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article on the article talk page prior to a nomination. You made one edit to that page, today. I created the page and contributed about half of its content, based on the page statistics. Why didn't you ask for my opinion before you nominated it? I would have told you that I don't think it's GA quality. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hmm, good point. I don't remember seeing that. I probably would have waited if I had seen that. What, in particular, do you think it is lacking about it that makes it lower than GA class? I'd be happy to help improve it more so we can get it there. Ghinga7 (talk) 23:59, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Ghinga7, the first thing that occurs to me is the weight of the recent sign stealing controversy compared to older examples. Beyond that, maybe it's closer to GA than I thought. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:14, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand completely what you're saying here. Do you mean that articles which have been in the news within the last couple years aren't eligible for GA? Or is it something else? Signed, the genuinely confused Ghinga7 (talk) 02:43, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Ghinga7, I meant that the article might lend too much weight to the recent developments as opposed to having a more balanced approach over time. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:18, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Ahh, now I understand. It does look a bit long, but not something that can't be helped with some trimming. I'll probably be doing that tomorrow, if not today. After that, do you see anything else that could be done? Ghinga7 (talk) 00:47, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

So I finished, what do you think? I made it so that each incident was covered in 2ish or less paragraphs. Let me know. Ghinga7 (talk) 04:00, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Ghinga7, I think it looks better. Based on all of this, I undid my edit taking away the GA nomination. I still don't know how much more work a reviewer would think it needs to pass, but hopefully you and the reviewer have a good discussion about it. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:30, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

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Voted twice

You !voted twice on the George Floyd RFC. Someone else deleted one but I restored it and said to leave it up to you. —DIYeditor (talk) 09:05, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

DIYeditor, well it's not my intent to vote twice.... – Muboshgu (talk) 15:40, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

the resurrection of my rejected article Philadelphia Association for Critical Thinking

Under WP:Refund when I requested retrieval of the text so I could add references, you wrote Done, but on my user page there is simply another notice of deletion. Where can I find the text? thanks. user:alteripse

Alteripse, it must not have made the dummy edit to reset the six month clock. I've just done it properly this time. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:43, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Erica Gilmore

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Edit warring at List of "-gate" scandals

I know you're a Wikipedia administrator, but that does not give you the right to edit war. You seem to be engaging in an edit warring behavior at List of "-gate" scandals. It is insufficient to point to a previous consensus to delete well referenced material, when I have challenged the premise of the previous consensus. As I pointed out, the article includes fictional scandals, so there is really no reason to suppress the fictional scandals that I have included under the fictional scandals section.
I will allow for an additional 24 hours to see if there are objections in the talk page. If no objections are listed, I will revert you yet again. If you revert me again, I will be forced to report you for edit warring, as you are not engaging in a discussion in a talk page. Consider this your warning. Since you are an administrator, I don't think I need to warn you with a template. Banana Republic (talk) 01:45, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Banana Republic, I appreciate the message and that you wrote it as opposed to templating me. Especially since the 3RR template would have been inappropriate. You may not be surprised to hear that I see this differently than you. You have edit warred to include info that is against consensus. Yes, consensus can change, but the ink isn't even dry on that one. It's good that you posted a talk page message and waited a day, but we need more input before including it. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:59, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Gaming the System

Draft:Kartikeya Gummakonda Hi, I did not write the article, Im an AFC reviewer for the past four years. It was wrongly declined as the actor has four leading roles and passes WP:NACTOR, im prepared to defend it at AFD, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 22:44, 3 June 2020 (UTC) I did submit on behalf of the creator as he asked me to review it on my talk page which you can see, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:51, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Atlantic306, my comment may have been too harsh. If it's going through AfC, shouldn't this be addressed with the reviewer who declined it? Pinging Vinegarymass911. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:52, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

• No it shouldn't, AFC reviewers work independently of each other, I see i'll have to go to AN Atlantic306 (talk) 22:56, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
• Not going to AN, that was said in haste. I'll ask for some more refs then consider deletion review in due course, Atlantic306 (talk) 23:17, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

  Atlantic306, come to think of it, the request was to undelete the article from 2018, which was deleted properly. If you're looking for unprotection, contact the admin who protected the mainspace site, or go to WP:RFPP to request the unprotection. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:34, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Jim Lander

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A QPQ is required for this, it has been 22 days. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:55, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

She has done prominent roles

Ramsaranmehta (talk) 13:10, 5 June 2020 (UTC)|) sir she has done prominent roles in every serial , either its tujhse hsi raabta, meri hanikarak biwi or jamai raja !!she is been in this profession last 12 years...she has done lots of work as an actress, here i have nentioned only prominent roles work kn wikipedia.  i request you to please review this Article of actress rajeshwari Datta again and publish it.

thanks and regards ramsaranmehta

hope you don't mind...

I try not to step on any toes but given the length of WP:RFUD this week, I've been removing duplicate and obvious invalid (as in no indication of what they want undeleted) requests. I watch this to keep an eye out for certain spam farms and trying to load it earlier was impossible. Anyway, thanks for being one of the primary admins there. Praxidicae (talk) 14:46, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Praxidicae, not at all stepping on toes! That page gets really messy at times. Thanks for your help. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:59, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Jim Lander

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Sean Parnell

Hey, so Sean Parnell is the former Governor of Alaska. And there is a different Sean Parnell who is the Republican nominee in Pennsylvania's 17th congressional district for the 2020 election. Can you help me figure out the disambiguation? I was thinking we could create Sean Parnell (Pennsylvania politician) and have it redirect to 2020 United States House of Representatives elections in Pennsylvania#District 17. Should a disambiguation page also be created to distinguish the two Sean Parnells? I am assuming Alaska Sean Parnell should retain the page name Sean Parnell (rather than something like Sean Parnell (Alaska politician) because he is more notable. Thanks for your help. Marquardtika (talk) 20:24, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Marquardtika, I'd say that at this point, create that PA redirect, but we don't have to do anything with the AK politician yet. Lamb is still likely to win, so the PA Parnell wouldn't become notable. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:28, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Will do, thanks! Marquardtika (talk) 20:29, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Jagmeet Singh page - Controversies section

Is there a reason that the "Controversies" section was removed from Jagmeet Singh page? All of the sources noted are valid and current, and it is an issue associated with him tenure as a political leader. Wikipedia is meant to to present whole, unbiased articles on individuals, not the cleansed version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayonpradhan (talk • contribs) 16:39, June 12, 2020 (UTC)

Ayonpradhan, as Paul Erik said when reverting the nearly identical edit you made a few days ago, the discussion at Talk:Jagmeet Singh#Controversy section, views on Khalistan shows no consensus for adding that material. Further, WP:CONTROVERSYSECTION is guidance against having controversy sections, as they almost always violate WP:NPOV. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:06, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Yet, all of the edits were documented in reputable publishings. It is not about providing cleansed views about individual but actual facts.

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DYK for Jim Lander

On 14 June 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jim Lander, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Jim Lander graduated from Lander University? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jim Lander. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Jim Lander), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Bhamatsar

Hi, I was requesting a copy of the article deleted under G5 be emailed to me. Such requests are normally approved infact I've previously been told by Primefac that such articles can be sent to me. The deleting admin RA Haworth is no longer an admin, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 19:08, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Atlantic306, okay, I'll email it to you. I think I may have been a bit perturbed by your comment about "recreating" it. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:41, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I am going to do an article on the village. An ip (presumably from the village) asked me to do an article because it had been G5 deleted but they didn't give any details about it's location etc, so I need to see the original article, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 22:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act

On 17 June 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a member of the U.S. Congress referred to the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act as "one of the worst pieces of legislation Congress has passed in a generation"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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DYK nomination of Leo Pacheco

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Angela Stanton-King

How much is enough for mainspace? It was growing pretty fast in the two days it existed. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 15:07, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Peregrine Fisher, there isn't one definition for what is "enough", but I don't think the subject meets WP:GNG based on a quick and not too deep search. I could be wrong. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:14, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Her name brings up about 600 articles on a news search. [9] Inlcuded are articles from Fox, NBC, Atlanta Journal Constitution, Seattle PI, BET, Media Matters for America. Most or all of those are reliable sources. Would you please move it back or take to AfD. Peregrine Fisher (talk) 00:22, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Peregrine Fisher, the WP:GHITS may be there, but that doesn't mean notability is. I suggest you work on it in draft space, where you get six months before it's deleted. If you want me to move it back to mainspace, a deletion discussion would only give you one week. Are you sure that's what you want? – Muboshgu (talk) 19:00, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Oh I see you've done it already. Very well then. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:01, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Edit reinstatement

The edits to the Keisha Lance Bottoms page are verifiable, neutral, and from primary sources. There is no claim of opinion, only the documentation of a series of events verified by a neutral third party (the city's paper of record). This is also in the public interest. I am disputing the edit's removal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justthefacts404 (talk • contribs) 14:44, June 29, 2020 (UTC)

As I said in my edit summary, there's other issues beyond verifiability and sourcing. I don't think it's neutral. I think you're taking something that could be neutral and, by addressing it in a WP:CONTROVERSYSECTION, you're addressing it as an attack on the subject. If you want to contest my reversion, do so on the article's talk page to develop a WP:CONSENSUS on whether or not that material should be included. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:05, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Justthefacts404, you've now had two editors disagree with your addition. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:06, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you

Thank you for telling me not to delete my own section and not blocking me without warning like some other people did. I did not know that you shoould not delete questions on talk pages, even if they are made by you. I will not do that from know on. :) Plus, I was going to undo it anyway and you did it for me! Ilh758 (talk) 06:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Ilh758, you were blocked? That sounds excessive. You're new, so there's lots of rules and regs here that you probably don't know yet. One of them is to not remove talk page posts made by others. That section will be archived, eventually. Feel free to ask me any other questions. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Muboshgu, My IP was blocked by Berean Hunter right after I removed the post. They did not give me a warning and there was no reason given in the block notice. I tried contacting them but they did not answer. Can you help me? Ilh758 (talk) 17:44, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

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The third round of the 2020 WikiCup has now come to an end. The 16 users who made it into the fourth round each had at least 353 points (compared to 68 in 2019). It was a highly competitive round, and a number of contestants were eliminated who would have moved on in earlier years. Our top scorers in round 3 were:

• Epicgenius, with one featured article, 28 good articles and 17 DYKs, amassing 1836 points
• The Rambling Man , with 1672 points gained from four featured articles and seventeen good articles, plus reviews of a large number of FACs and GAs
• Gog the Mild, a first time contestant, with 1540 points, a tally built largely on 4 featured articles and related bonus points.

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Undeletion for Miniminter

Hello, I, Andrew012p made a request for the page miniminter (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Miniminter) to be restored because someone has deleted the real page. You wrote something about the history page but I don't see how that implies to the restoration. What is happening? Can you please restore the real page? Thank you. Andrew012p (talk) 08:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Andrew012p, I did restore it. But, that didn't overwrite the current version. Click on the "History" tab and look at the old versions of the page in the article history. The data is there. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:36, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Andrew012p (talk) 15:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC) Oh okay thanks. I guess what I was referring too was the fact that it doesn't show when I type "Miniminter wiki" on google and when I create the page it says "You can't write on it because an administrator can only edit it. It's protected. What do I do now? Sorry if I'm bothering, I'm new to this.

Andrew012p, I can't speak to what happens through Google. I don't think draft pages index in Google search results. The page is at Draft:Miniminter. When you're on that page, click the "View History" tab on the top right and it will show you all of the past versions of the page. You'll have to click through them to find anything in the page's history that you want. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Kaleigh Riehl

Hello – could you restore the deleted page Kaleigh Riehl, perhaps as draft? She now satisfies WP:NFOOTY. Thanks! Seany91 (talk) 15:53, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Seany91, done. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:25, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks! Seany91 (talk) 17:27, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Tyson Brummett

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Carter Page

The sentence on the Carter Page page is materially incorrect. It must be changed. Similar errors were NOT found by Horowitz. — Preceding unsigned comment added by D33pState2020 (talk • contribs) 16:10, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

D33pState2020, no, it's correct. The Washington Times is a biased source that is not accurate. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:13, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

You're wrong. It's a "biased" source that is correct. I've attached the support the FBI filed, in addition to another "biased" source summarizing the source document. One "material error" was found that was determined not to change the conclusions of the case.

Clearly the Carter Page warrants were uniquely fraudulent. The statement MUST be changed.

References

thanks

for keeping an eye on the tammy duckworth article. keep up the good work! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.207.198.74 (talk) 06:49, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Protection

Sorry, we conflicted on the Clinton Foundation protection. Please restore yours if you prefer.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:13, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Ponyo, totally innocent conflict! Great minds think alike. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:19, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Undeletion

Hello I have reviewed the deletion of my account. There were multiple articles that backed up much of what was written. I have numerous publications that were cited. What can I do to help get the page back on? I did er create it but it really was a nice thing to have so people could learn about my scientific achievements. Thank you so much. You can also email me at rzoumalan@hotmail.com. Also I just want to say I read your great contributions to Wiki and i respect all the wot you have our into it. We need more people like you. -Dr Zoumalan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rzoumalan (talk • contribs) 17:23, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done – Muboshgu (talk) 23:34, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

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And so ends the first round of the competition. Everyone with a positive score moves on to Round 2. With 56 contestants qualifying, each group in Round 2 contains seven contestants, with the two leaders from each group due to qualify for Round 3 as well as the top sixteen remaining contestants.

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The following improvements need to be made to the page for Vicente Gonzalez (politician)

Information needs to be updated. The current information holds sources that support this update. All other updates can be sourced through resources from Vicente Gonzalez's congressional website: https://gonzalez.house.gov/

If I am not "allowed" to make these changes on a website that promotes the ability to do so, then please direct me to whoever can make these changes. If not, I will continue to push for these changes (which are verifiable), until the changes are made.

Requested changes below:

Early life, education, and early career

Gonzalez was born in Corpus Christi, Texas in 1967[2] to [Olga Cantu] and [Vicente Gonzalez], a Korean War veteran and U.S. Merchant Marine. Gonzalez attended Roman Catholic School in Corpus Christi for part of his primary education, but eventually dropped out of high school during his junior year. He went onto obtain a G.E.D. and returned to school by enrolling at Del Mar Junior College where he received an Associate’s Degree in Banking and Finance.[3][4]

In 1992, Gonzalez received his Bachelor of Science degree in aviation business administration from the Embry–Riddle Aeronautical University on the Corpus Christi Naval Air Station. After high school, and throughout college, Gonzalez traveled to almost 100 countries around the world.

In 1996, Gonzalez obtained his Juris Doctor from Texas Wesleyan University School of Law (now Texas A&M University School of Law) in Fort Worth, Texas. While a law student, he interned for then Congressman Solomon P. Ortiz (D-TX-27). He trained in Negotiation at Harvard Law School [in Cambridge, Massachusetts]. In 1997, he founded the law firm, V. Gonzalez & Associates, in McAllen, Texas. He is a member of the Bar Associations of Texas and New York.[5]

As an attorney, Gonzalez successfully recovered millions in proceeds for businesses, homeowners and public schools throughout the country. His professional successes prompted an invitation to join the prestigious Million Dollar & Multi-million Dollar Advocates Forum, a membership reserved for less than one percent of American attorneys.

Gonzalez's wife, Lorena Saenz Gonzalez, is a former educator and school administrator from McAllen, Texas.

Peter Handke edit

I did not engage in edit warring. I reverted his revert of my good-faith and objective addition only once, then requested page protection. I would like my addition to be restored and the editor to be prevented from changing it, as there is nothing inaccurate or malicious within my addition; in fact, it simply serves as further information on Hendke's page. Everything was properly cited and formated, to boot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gbabuch (talk • contribs) 23:11, 16 October 2109 (UTC)

@Gbabuch: The citations and formatting are not the issue here. The issue is neutrality. WP:CONTROVERSYSECTIONS violate neutrality by producing an undue emphasis on negative material. Also, that material has been relocated throughout the article, so that you are addiction of a controversy section is stating the controversial information twice. The other editors have mentioned this in their edit summaries. Therefore, your edit will not be reinserted. Any attempts on your part 2 reinsert it constitute edit warring, and may result in a block. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:18, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

WP:CONTROVERSYSECTION is an essay. Whether something adheres to NPOV is a content dispute, which should be resolved through a discussion. You cannot give mandates like "Therefore, your edit will not be reinserted".

Why not just tell everybody to go to the article talk page or WP:BLPN? There is a discussion at BLPN: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Peter Handke. One editor said "I don't think it's unreasonable that the controversies take up almost half Peter Handke". This was on 10 October, when there was a separate controversy section. Politrukki (talk) 02:07, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Do not delete https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Katz_(author)

1dubwize (talk) 22:43, 8 July 2020 (UTC)Hi, this page refers to a published author whose books have been published in different editions in English, Japanese, French and Italian. He is the authorised biographer of popular performer Lee 'Scratch' Perry and the producer of several TV and radio documentaries. Citations have been added to the page and the text re-written to be less promotional. The person in question is independently verifiable as noteworthy and the page should not be deleted.

@1dubwize:, while I think it should be deleted, it's not up to me. Comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Katz (author). – Muboshgu (talk) 22:50, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

WP:MOSPLACE

Hi Muboshgu. Re your edit here: Special:Diff/966895457. I may be mistaken, but I don't think that's a correct application of WP:USPLACE, which (to my understanding) is intended to standardise how places are referenced to, rather than prohibit the suffixing of country names/abbreviations in infoboxes. I had an extensive discussion with EEng on the matter here, which resulted in the designation staying at those articles, and there's currently a discussion ongoing about this at WT:MOS as well. I don't think such application reflects consensus either, given we have many GAs and FAs which use country names in infoboxes, Abraham Lincoln, Barack Obama to give some examples of American politicians off the top of my head. Haven't reverted you, of course, and I could be wrong, but I'd like to hear your thoughts :) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:37, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@ProcrastinatingReader:, thanks for pointing out those discussions. I didn't think I was applying it incorrectly (obviously). Though I do see that it does make explicit mention of "titles", it doesn't say anything about infoboxes or article text, which to me does not mean that it's to be treated differently. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:52, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

I believe WP:NCGN intends to standardise how places are named, including references to these places in article text, to prevent the same place being referenced by different names (a very real problem), but the purpose of NCGN doesn't appear to be to outlaw the suffixing of country names/abbreviations to places in infoboxes (or in text in general), which is a very different matter (and for today's global encyclopaedia, I'd take the view that mentioning the country is very helpful to a global audience). I believe this opinion to be backed by the discussions I linked to (and the links in those), and looking at existing GAs/FAs (eg Barack Obama) for implicit consensus on the matter.

As I say, I could be wrong, and that would be the more likely outcome given I have no GAs (yet! hopefully soon) whilst you have an impressive 66, but I just wanted to point out these discussions for your consideration. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 22:14, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Ah, I found a discussion at WT:NCGN addressing this exact issue here. My reading on it, and its conclusion, would suggest consensus against interpreting it as requiring omission of the country name, and recognition of implicit consensus supporting suffixing. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 22:35, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

ProcrastinatingReader, this may need further discussion. WP:NCGN leads off with This page describes conventions for determining the titles of Wikipedia articles on places, and for the use of place names in Wikipedia articles. I interpret the emphasized part to mean that it is in play for anywhere within the article. I'll hold off on making any more of those edits for the time being. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:47, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Leo Pacheco

On 10 July 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Leo Pacheco, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Leo Pacheco, a member of the Texas House of Representatives, used to drive buses for VIA Metropolitan Transit? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Leo Pacheco. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Leo Pacheco), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Dillon Bates

Muboshgu: There was serious concern over Rep. Bates' alleged sexual offences against a minor. This issue has been raised, and is serious enough to merit inclusion. That it is a negative mark on Gideon's tenure doesn't mean it should be excluded. All significant actions, good or bad, should be included. Wikipedia is not a political ad. Welcome for discussion. Please do not just undo; discuss first. This is your first warning for vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:681:4A00:4FE0:141:4D52:45DC:A526 (talk) 18:01, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

That's not at all how this works. The WP:ONUS is on you to get WP:CONSENSUS for the inclusion of that material, which is not what you say it is. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:07, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Too Much and Never Enough

On 18 July 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Too Much and Never Enough, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in the tell-all book Too Much and Never Enough, Donald Trump's niece Mary L. Trump alleges that he mistreated his father Fred Trump after Fred developed Alzheimer's disease? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Too Much and Never Enough. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Too Much and Never Enough), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Beto Nickname

Why did you revert my edit muboshgu? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.8.253.228 (talk) 23:47, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

"Beto" is his WP:COMMONNAME. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:57, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Lauren Boebert

On 22 July 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lauren Boebert, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Lauren Boebert encourages her servers to openly carry firearms inside her restaurant in Rifle, Colorado? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lauren Boebert. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Lauren Boebert), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Ellen DeGeneres and Ayanna Pressley - College Education

Hello, can you please explain why you reverted my edits to Ellen DeGeneres and Ayanna Pressley articles by removing the "(dropped out)" that I added in the info box? They both did not receive degrees from these institutions. I think it is misleading to not include that explanatory note. Please see Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates that note this in their info boxes. Thanks. Sta3bha (talk) 00:32, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Sta3bha, it's been discussed on Pressley's talk page for sure. I don't know about Ellen's. There is no degree listed which is how you know they did not get a degree from those institutions. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:41, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Muboshgu, thanks for the clarification. I now see that degrees are listed in other info boxes for people who graduated. Thanks again. Sta3bha (talk) 13:07, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

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Keep an eye on sockpuppet ring

I'm bringing attention to the editor "Buzzards-Watch Me Work"[10][11] who appears to be running a sockpuppet ring. Sockpuppets in this ring have systematically edited pages for congressional reps from Virginia and Minnesota, and I suspect there are more pages and sockpuppets. Since you're one of few people to edit and patrol a large number of pages of congressional reps, you may want to keep an eye on future disruption that fits the editor's MO. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:33, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Snooganssnoogans, will do. I saw they got involved on Lauren Boebert's page. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:07, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Ron Kulpa

Hey, I hope you're doing well and enjoying the return of baseball. Could you take a look at the recent history of Ron Kulpa? There's some rather gross vandalism there that should probably be rev-deled. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 05:00, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Lepricavark, okie dokie. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:16, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Lepricavark, seems it was already handled. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:17, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Yep. I wasn't sure if it was you or not. At any rate, I see your Yankees are already off to a fast start. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 18:44, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Lepricavark, it wasn't me. This whole season is FUBAR, but I'll take a World Series title no matter what. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm glad baseball is back, but also worried that the expanded playoffs and dreadful extra innings rule are here to stay. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 16:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Lepricavark, I'll push for a universal DH in any way I can, but that "runner on second" rule better be a one time thing. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:16, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

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Kailash29792, this is not the sort of request that board handles. Nonfree images are resized downwards by bots as part of WP:NFCC – Muboshgu (talk) 16:19, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Muboshgu, I pinged you with an alternate proposal. Since Google+ is dead, I can no longer access the high-res image in its original form. That is why I want to re-trace the original image here and re-upload it (albeit in small size), since the current revision is a distorted one created by Bhargav. Kailash29792 (talk) 06:51, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Kailash29792, sorry I missed the ping. Lemme check back in. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:17, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

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Royals

Thank you [12], though fan zeal is such that he'll be re-added. Cheers, 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 02:31, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

I changed the parameter of the infobox to "Principal owner(s)" to get around this. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:07, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

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Karen Bass

You really seem confident you can justify removing another’s cited and completely legitimate addition to page. Ironic how you are claiming Karen Bass’s own quote added to her page is not neutral and then commence at failing to adhere to your own claim with the undo by completely removing a cited (notable reference) about plainly controversial QUOTES of supporting communist regimes and Fidel Castro by Karen Bass, instead of adding your own edits to refine it like real editors do. The fact you remove her own quote, and the outrageous assumption that her own actions and words being placed on her Wikipedia is somehow not adhering to neutral policy and warrants a complete undo is truly mind numbing with hypocrisy and in my personal opinion, highly unprofessional for someone that is a wiki administrator level editor. More reminiscent to me of an openly biased, deceptively partisan, tyrannical overlord. You are the very definition of why Wikipedia is losing credibility fast while they let partisan censorship overlords like you manipulate and twist their policies definitions to try enforcing your narrative on a public information site. You should be ashamed of your actions and I frankly don’t care what you goons try to do to my profile anymore. I really have had it with your type. I’ve always enjoyed this site, until 2017-18 when hacks like you showed up to try playing big brother and overseeing leftist cheerleaders. Fire away and send me to whatever council or slingfest. Maybe we can get placed on that lordship kangaroo court you all have here. Editors like you don’t deserve to be on such a site. Political, biased censorship hacks is all your type is and you know it. Frankly I think I will spend my time exposing all of your practices and biases here instead of trying to add to the knowledge of man while you try to hide the parts of it you don’t like with overlording censorship. This won’t last forever. It’s a wide open secret now and many many don’t like what people like you are doing to freedom of information and perceptions. It won’t work. Truly yours, Sirsentence (talk) 07:45, 31 July 2020 (UTC)Sirsentence

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Nosebagbear, thanks for the notice. I had seen it and just posted my reply. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:52, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

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Re:August 2020

Unfortunately, the thing I wrote on talk was not defamatory, but fact, please watch all of his videos before assuming it is a defamatory remark ABruhRandomUser (talk) 20:15, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

ABruhRandomUser, the word "gaffe" is not defamatory, but the other one you used absolutely is a BLP violation. Don't do it again. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:19, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Scores

Means groups of 20. Thought everyone knew that! P-K3 (talk) 20:52, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Pawnkingthree, I know what it means, but I wouldn't asume that everyone does. The term isn't used in the United States outside of the Gettysburg Address. Besides, it's better to be specific. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:56, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough I guess. The trouble with "at least 50" though is that its going to need updating rather frequently. The article is already saying "at least 73" dead now.-- P-K3 (talk) 21:19, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Pawnkingthree, fair point. I do think it's better to update frequently than to be vague. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:50, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Scores is a general term of reference for an imprecise number equal to at least 40 but not generally more than 99. Since we did not, and still don't have a precise casualty figure, it seemed like a reasonable term that would negate the need for continuous updates of imprecise mortality estimates until the death toll is known to top 100 or a firm and final official number is released by competent authorities. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:14, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Ad Orientem, the term "dozens" is far more common in today's parlance than "scores", no? And I've seen sources say "dozens", but not "scores". – Muboshgu (talk) 23:15, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Scores is generally useful for defining numbers greater than two dozen. And since the death toll at the time I made the edit was already over 50, that seemed the better choice. We are not required to use exact quotes. In fact paraphrasing is often preferred as long one is doing so accurately. As for language in common use in today's world... that is a very sad subject. Let us not speak of it further. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:23, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Kim Olson

On 5 August 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Kim Olson, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that retired United States Air Force colonel Kim Olson is a Master Gardener? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kim Olson. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Kim Olson), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—valereee (talk) 00:03, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Cori Bush

Hi! Thanks for performing the move. I didn't realize I wouldn't be able to do it directly! Cheers, Paradoxsociety 04:39, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Paradoxsociety, I was wondering why you moved what was there to Draft:Cori Bush (old). Yes, it's cleaner to make the move directly. It's cleaner with the edit history. I'll merge those edits back in later. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:45, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Apologies for moving too quickly there. Hope it didn't cause too much trouble. Just for my personal understanding so I don't make the same mistake again, if there's an article in Draft space that I think needs to be immediately promoted to mainspace, what's the right way to go about that? WP:RAA? Paradoxsociety 04:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Paradoxsociety, publishing a draft shouldn't be done as though it's "urgent". There's WP:NODEADLINE and no rush. I acted in this case because I'm familiar with the subject matter and I've edited the draft, so I'm familiar with the quality. Admins who respond at RAA might have no idea. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:05, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Shahid Buttar...again

An IP has attempted to recreate Shahid Buttar yesterday by removing the redirect. The article was last deleted in April. There is currently a draft article, but would it be possible to WP:SALT the redirect until the election? Thanks, KidAd (talk) 19:27, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

KidAd, I'll take a look. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:22, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

KidAd, I applied semiprotection for three months. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:24, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for that. KidAd (talk) 20:28, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Block failure

FYI, your block of Viktorpp is not going through, even though the block notice is appearing on their talk page. Home Lander (talk) 20:53, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Home Lander, should be done now. I don't know what happened. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Muboshgu, I figured a tool you were using (Twinkle?) was malfunctioning since the block message was appearing without a block. I reverted the AFD tags from the various pages they were added to. Home Lander (talk) 20:58, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Home Lander, yes, Twinkle might've malfunctioned on me. I can't rule out user error though. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:00, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Jagmeet Singh

Would you like to elaborate how my edits are not constructive? I am very familiar with wikipedia policies. One of my edits you deleted was the addition of a comma. — Preceding unsigned comment added by QQQspadesQQQ (talk • contribs) 01:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

QQQspadesQQQ, how is the tuition of the private school that he attended not a WP:COATRACK? You've given no explanation for the other deletions. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:14, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

I also wonder what the relevance of that is. It seems like collateral information, and some that might not be seen as neutral.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk)

Darryl Kerrigan, would you mind reverting it? I'm trying not to edit war. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:46, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

The tuition at his private school provides information on his early life. Moreover, the entire article reads as a campaign brochure. And yet you accuse me of being impartial? QQQspadesQQQ (talk) 14:54, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

The current tuition is not necessarily a reflection of the tuition when Singh attended many years ago, and QQQspadesQQ's edit is a pretty clear violation of WP:SYNTH. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 15:32, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't think anyone would come to the conclusion that is the tuition Jagmeet Singh paid. He is an old man now. The entire article reads as a campaign brochure. Is that a problem at all? When did wikipedia become so blatantly biased? QQQspadesQQQ (talk) 16:24, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

QQQspadesQQQ, if you don't think that that's the tuition that was paid when he was a student, then that's your acknowledgment that it has nothing to do with Singh. Continuing to edit war will get you blocked. Discussing changes that you want to see made, preferably on Talk:Jagmeet Singh, will not. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:55, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

I will not be intimidated by you. I am going to make the article transparent and less of a campaign brochure. Please refrain from your childish attacks. QQQspadesQQQ (talk) 14:15, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Jacek Deniz Troshupa

@Muboshgu: Can I, after completing with facts and info the draft article, even though it has not yet made its debut, return it to the full article? — BalkanianActuality (talk) 18:48, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

BalkanianActuality, yes, you can. I see you've made the updates. Keep in mind though that it may be nominated for deletion if he doesn't actually appear in a game for the club. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:55, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Muboshgu, thank you for your appreciation and approval. — BalkanianActuality (talk) 19:10, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

DSA "seats"

Hello, I noticed you reverted my edit to Democratic Socialists of America. While the DSA is not technically a political party, they do endorse candidates, and their members do hold public office. Additionally, the page List of Democratic Socialists of America members who have held office in the United States contains a similar infobox listing the seats they hold. I think this information should be included on the main page of the organization. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 18:30, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Elliot321, it's not commonplace. The Federalist Society, for instance, doesn't include its members who are elected officials in the infobox. If you disagree with my revert, seek consensus on the talk page. I may have a minority view on that. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:53, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

OK, I'll make a post on the talk page there. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 19:21, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Please unprotect Democratic Socialists of America

Autoconfirmed editors are creating unnecessary hurdles for requested edits. 209.166.108.199 (talk) 04:57, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Those "hurdles" are necessary to prevent the article from being mercilessly vandalized. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:56, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Yep, but it's starting to feel really circular to keep explaining that consensus exists for every trivial edit request, often to multiple editors for the same request... 209.166.108.199 (talk) 18:00, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Sometimes, that's how it goes. Better than having vandals run wild. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:21, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Fred Phelps

Looking at your recent edits at Fred Phelps, I note that the article is listed as a Wikipedia controversial topic and the subject is noted as controversial.

Accordingly, I think the description in the lede may be taken as reflecting consensus and it is up to you to gain support for your changes in discussion there. --Pete (talk) 11:30, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Skyring, the talk page template is for editor guidance. The article space has to follow WP:MOS and WP:LABEL specifically says not to use words like "highly controversial" in the article space. LABEL is a Wikipedia guideline that has to be followed in article mainspace. Starting an article with an unattributed "highly controversial" description biases the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:21, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Well, that's not true, is it? Looking at the guideline, the actual words employed are "best avoided". A Google search on Fred Phelps brings up many reliable sources describing the man and his actions as controversial. I'm not seeing how misquoting a stylistic guideline is helping our readers understand a controversial subject. That's like describing Adolf Hitler as "a German politician". It takes us five more paragraphs before we admit that he was also "gravely immoral". NPOV is one thing, but I'm not sure we really need to tiptoe so gingerly around the elephant in the room. --Pete (talk) 16:43, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Skyring, yes, LABEL does say these words are best avoided unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject, in which case use in-text attribution. Putting it before even his nationality with no sources is unattributed text. WP:LABEL also says Rather than describing an individual using the subjective and vague term controversial, instead give readers information about relevant controversies. Interesting example, choosing Adolf Hitler's page, as it does lead with him being "a German politician". The content itself is enough, in both Phelps's and Hitler's cases, to explain who they were. In Phelps's article, the lead includes the quote describing his church as "arguably the most obnoxious and rabid hate group in America".[2], with its source. Imagine leading Barack Obama's bio with "highly controversial American politician", just because some sources can be found to label him in such a a way. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:58, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

If I read enough of the Adolf Hitler lede to get to the fifth paragraph, I would have thought it obvious that I had read the first sentence which I directly quoted. But if you would be so very kind as to point out where in WP:LABEL the word "not" appears, which you not only say is specifically used, but italicise for emphasis, then I might admit that my own reading comprehension is deficient.

My point here is that Phelps is widely described as controversial; it's not just a few fringe publications sneaking the word in. In contrast, Barack Obama's association with controversy seems to centre around a tan suit, which I will agree does not warrant us using the tag, especially in comparison with the atrocities to follow. --Pete (talk) 18:17, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Skyring, the italicized "not" was my error, as the page says it should be avoided but says that no phrases are explicitly forbidden. I've only put direct quotes into direct quote templates. I understand that Phelps is much more widely seen as controversial than many other figures I could think of. I think that NPOV requires us to let the reader learn that for themselves as they get to the whole "God Hates Fags" thing, rather than tell them he was controversial before we even state his nationality. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:53, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Theresa Greenfield

This page has been protected, but a lot has changed since mid-June. There is quite likely more than enough references and basis for notability for an article, a stub at minimum. Nathan ^T 00:59, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Nathan, I don't think anything has changed. We're waiting on the results of November 3. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Theresa Greenfield closed as "redirect" and a draft at Draft:Theresa Greenfield was just declined three days ago. If you want to prove the subject is notable now, you should work on the draft. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

I think that's kind of ridiculous. A major party candidate for a closely contested Senate election in the U.S., who has received coverage in major American news outlets... Can't really explain how this doesn't pass the Pokemon test for notability. Nathan ^T 01:22, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Nathan, read the AfD and the three deletion reviews then. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it was absurd then, and still is now. I realize now that you proposed it for deletion, interesting that you decided to protect the redirect yourself. In any case, even Bearcat noted that she had direct coverage in major national news outlets (her complaint was that not all mentions of her were about her, but some were just about the race... which rather proves the point that some were about her directly). If we applied this level of notability scrutiny to ever topic area, I suspect we'd have millions fewer articles. I can see not automatically assuming that every nuisance candidate for every election is notable, but a Democratic or Republican nominee for a United States Senate race? It's ridiculous. A small boulder floating in the Atlantic with a 100 year old flag merits a 1 line article with a GPS location, but somehow Theresa Greenfield is too irrelevant for even a stub. Nathan ^T 20:37, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Nathan, I protected it to stop edit warring. I also created the redirect in the first place. There is no way I would go against three deletion reviews that endorsed the AfD decision to redirect. If you can't accept the results of the AfD and three deletion reviews, I don't know what to tell you. WP:OTHERSTUFF arguments aren't going to help. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:47, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

As big and popular as it is, the English Wikipedia is still a tiny little bubble, It doesn't surprise me at all that repeated reviews, with a lot of the same voices, came to the same wrong conclusion. I've left the bubble enough that the WP:RANDOMLETTERS approach to discussion also really doesn't feel very persuasive. In the end we live in the real world, and the criteria by which things make sense or not doesn't immediately twist because of the URL of the page we're on. Charitably I'd like to blame the timing on the fact that the early discussions kept the page a redirect; realistically, the fact that it has remain locked and the DRs failed to change the outcome reinforces how insular and backward Wikipedia's culture often is. Nathan ^T 23:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Nathan, Wikipedia has its problems, but we do the best we can with what we have. WP:DRV attracts various editors. We can't control who does or does not respond. Wikipedia runs on consensus, and the consensus of the AfD and three DRVs are to not have an article. Your opinion is one view, but it wasn't determined to be the consensus view. If you wanted to work on the draft, that'd be the only way I can think of to change people's views. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:28, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Kamala Harris

Can you take a look at Talk:Kamala Harris#Racial categorisation of Kamala Harris? There has been no consensus to change "Indian American" to "Asian American" or include "South Asian" to the article, but it was done without consensus on these edits.[13] Zakaria1978 (talk) 01:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Zakaria1978, was "Indian American" part of a consensus? – Muboshgu (talk) 02:03, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

It stayed as such since 2017.[14] Until it was removed recently. Anyhow this revert has no consensus. Also, isn't it WP:UNDUE to keep repeating the claims about ancestry on second paragraph of the lead? Zakaria1978 (talk) 02:07, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

response to my QAnon post

It is such trash that you would object to my post in reaction to the dishonest and misleading entry Wiki has on this topic. Check your agenda. Isn't Wikipedia supposed to be a source of knowledge and information? Why the insertion of opinion and bias and the exclusion of much of the facts? You should be embarrassed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtobiaslewis (talk • contribs) 23:39, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Wow. Missvain (talk) 22:02, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Missvain, yeah. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:05, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

DS alert

OK? Bishonen | tålk 17:35, 14 August 2020 (UTC).

Bishonen, that's weird. I have no idea why that didn't post correctly. Thanks for fixing it. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:38, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Bishonen, oh duh. I typed "ap2" instead of "ap". – Muboshgu (talk) 17:40, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Cheers for your monitoring of the Kamala Harris article - especially pointing randos to the single question FAQ at the top of the page. It is appreciated! Missvain (talk) 21:52, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, them deplorable 'randos' mustn't be allowed to spoil our very cherished and favored articles. Afterall, we have spent much time inserting our own 'truths' into them. Thank goodness we still hold the keys to the RS cupboard!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.74.196 (talk) 05:58, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

sjo

Hello I have noticed unusual edit behaviour from member sjo, the behaviour to edits is quite concerning as they seem to co inside with another member richard3120 when edits are reverted or added, both members seem to act as a pair to some what try and intimidate others when a editorial is added or reverted. I have noticed this on several pages. They seem to only allow content they source from Blog's, and other un varied sources but don't allow other editors to do the same. My concern also that these two members don't have the intellectual knowledge of the artist or category they revert. Wiki is for everyone and certain content is not found in internet search engines so this needs to be address. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jungfinglang (talk • contribs) 14:01, August 18, 2020 (UTC)

Jungfinglang, I see you've been reported to WP:SPI, so I won't say anything about your conflict. I will ping Sjö and Richard3120 for their information, though. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:05, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

This is typical behaviour for this editor, accusing others of vandalism/not having the knowledge only they have personal access to, and trying to get us investigated instead to deflect from the serious concerns we have... see [15] and [16], for example. You'll also notice that this editor and the socks never sign their posts. The reason Sjö and I are both involved is because this editor has socked so many times (about 150 confirmed socks over Wikipedia and Commons combined) that we have the pages they are likely to edit (all related to the pop group Bros) on our watchlists, so every time a suspicious edit pops up, we both get notified. As stated on our edits, it is this editor who is trying to add sources from blogs and remove sources from reliable sources, not the other way around... see this edit where the editor insists that national newspapers are no better than blogs [17] and using that as an excuse for their edits. Richard3120 (talk) 18:26, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Richard3120, that is essentially what I thought based on a quick perusal of their recent edits, where they intersect with you and Sjö, and the SPI thread. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:32, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

All we are trying to do is remove factually incorrect and completely unsourced information that the above editor keeps adding, such as this: [18]. Neil Tennant was not a pop star in 1981, nor was he at Smash Hits – he joined the magazine in mid-1982, rose to become assistant editor, and left in mid-1985 because the Pet Shop Boys' career was about to take off – he never wrote for the magazine while he was a pop star. And to say that the editors of the magazine were "not actually journalists but employees" (aren't all journalists employees of the publication they are writing for?) does a great disservice to the likes of David Hepworth, Mark Ellen, Dave Rimmer, Chris Heath, Tim de Lisle, Mike Soutar, Fred Dellar and Robin Katz, all of whom were at the magazine before Tennant and all of whom went on to have major careers in journalism and in some cases broadcasting as well, and none of whom were pop stars. There are many examples of the editor's poor editing like this one. Richard3120 (talk) 18:53, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

My concerns are based on facts I have seen over the past couple of days for these two members to lodge a complaint about me baffles me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jungfinglang (talk • contribs) 18:45, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

FOR THE ATTENTION OF RICHARD3120 Neil Francis Tennant is an English musician, singer, songwriter, music journalist and co-founder of the synthpop duo Pet Shop Boys, which he formed with Chris Lowe in 1981. He was also a journalist for Smash Hits, and was assistant editor for the magazine for a period in the mid-1980s — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jungfinglang (talk • contribs) 19:49, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

I've blocked Jungfinglang as a sockpuppet based on behavioral evidence. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:07, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

now I am unaware of how or why

I am being treated as I have done something wrong I cited and article which was verified and accredited, I have noticed in the past that Wikipedia is becoming a narrative driven not accurate drive informative cite, as I tried writing to you I used a creditable news agencies article to cite the cases of elderly deaths due to infections at senior living facilities run inside New York, Andrew Cuomo is the governor and it is through his decree that the rules were set this was not a federal decree this was a state ordered decree but you removed it showing what your accuracy no, your scholarly integrity in truth no it must have been driven by bias because the truth is that the governor gave the orders but you are not citing that or writing that why is wikipedia covering up abuse and criminal negligence — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:8201:4630:D01A:B5D9:C8CD:BD50 (talk) 01:45, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

I only redacted the allegation that Cuomo is guilty of a crime, which is a WP:BLP violation. I asked what change you propose to make to that article, and you haven't responded. You have to propose something before we decide whether or not to make a change. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:36, 19 August 2020 (UTC)