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Emotional Speech Blocks Deletion Syndrome

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Bo's Place draft

Hello RHaworth. It appears that my draft submission on Bo's Place is missing after a review. From what I can tell, there seems to be an issue of "infringement" on LiveStrong. No infringement was intended, I was trying to reference a linked article and maybe I did it incorrectly. Also, unfortunately I'm unable to locate the draft and I don't have a copy. Is there a way to retrieve it and then correct the LiveStrong reference mistake? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LufferTracker (talk • contribs) 19:01, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

• Please read this. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:56, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I've entered my email address in 'my preferences' area. I hope you can see it (?). Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by LufferTracker (talk • contribs) 01:33, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

• Text emailed but kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your place is notable and writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:27, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

RHaworth, thank you for emailing me the draft, and so quickly. Most appreciated. I've revised the LiveStrong reference and I'm tightening up the text a bit more, preparing for resubmission soon. — LufferTracker

Deletion of KYLE (rapper)

I see that you deleted KYLE (rapper) multiple times, I'd like to create a page for him. He is becoming a well known rapper by featuring Lil Yachty. He his latest song peaked at No. 19 on BillBoards charts and other music charts. He will also be appearing on The Tonight's Show later this month. Contact me; Cclark0 (talk)

• Via AfC create a new version at draft:Kyle (rapper) (note: no shouting). If it is accepted then unprotection will be uncontroversial. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:27, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Images uploaded by Ultimate1220

G'day from Oz; you have just deleted a copyvio image of Iran Air's first Airbus A321, uploaded by User:Ultimate1220. I have looked at several other images uploaded by her/him and wouldn't mind betting that some if not all are copyvios as well. Every image I looked at showed a different camera in the metatdata, or no camera at all. It is time for me to go to bed (past midnight where I am), otherwise I would make further efforts to track down the origins of these images. Perhaps you have the time to look into them? Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 13:20, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

• Situation now resolved! — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:27, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Deleted Draft

Hey RHaworth, I noticed that you had deleted the draft of the Institute of Travel Management that I had submitted. It was not intended to be unambiguous or misleading, as I had used the template from similar pages, most notable the following: Institute of Materials, Minerals and Mining and Institute of Groundsmanship. Especially as it was my first time uploading a page to wiki. Could you kindly send the text that I had uploaded, and notes where I should retract/amend to make it more aligned to Wikipedia's T&C. Thank you for your time, James — Preceding unsigned comment added by ITMJames (talk • contribs) 10:31, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

• Text emailed. Where should you retract? I don't care where you retract it to as long as it is nowhere near Wikipedia. Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no CoI thinks your institute is notable and writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:25, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

deletion of sandbox

Hi, you have deleted my personal sandbox page User:Happy.harii/sandbox with G11 notification. It was made for my personal reference can I get the valid reason for deletion of my sandbox page. — HARI 12:08, 1 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Happy.harii (talk • contribs)

• So why is G11 not a valid reason? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:25, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I've taken a look at it, and it was an advertisement - so G11 was the right call.

We don't allow you to use us for storing content for your personal reference; Wikipedia is not your webhost. -- Orange Mike | Talk 06:49, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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The Rob George Foundation

Would you kindly explain why you deleted my article under this name and return my draft to me? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhilipGeorge (talk • contribs) 17:28, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

• Please read this and this. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:25, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Follow-up on deletion of "Fab Lab Connect"

Dear RHaworth, We spoke back and forth a few times about a month ago regarding a wikipedia draft that you had deleted Draft:Fab Lab Connect. Following up on your most recent comment (all copy & pasted below), I was wondering if you would be willing to email me the deleted text? Thank you very much! Itsmeoscar (talk) 20:09, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

• Please explain why you consider it better to copy&paste - with formatting destroyed - rather than providing a link. Text emailed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:25, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Thank you for emailing the text. — Itsmeoscar (talk) 20:38, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

NS1 (company) - deletion

Hi RHaworth, I believe the article that was put up most recently regarding NS1 (NSONE, Inc.) was purely objective in nature and served to describe another vendor in the list of managed DNS providers that power the Internet. Simply deleting the page because a much more subjective version was taken down nearly a year ago seems a bit hasty and I would like to contest it. Thanks Carljlevine (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:31, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

• Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your company is notable and writes about it here. If you insist on contesting the deletion, go to DRV. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:30, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Cat deletion

Thank you very much for deleting this category!  Paine Ellsworth  ^u/c 15:30, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Shota Davitashvili

Could you possibly restore that page as the editor had literally only just created it in main-space and presumably intended to work on it. It was CSDed but I challenged that and move it to draft-space (and then CSDed the redirect as I forgot to tell the system not to create one). It contained an infobox (and their signature, erroneously). This is a brand new editor I am trying to help, so please help me out! Thanks — Iadmc♫^talk  18:50, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

• Restorated. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:54, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! — Iadmc♫^talk  18:55, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of Madhurima Narla

Hi, you deleted my draft page draft:Madhurima Narla citing copyright violation. The website mentioned in the copyright is owned by me and I have all the rights to use the material. Please let me know how I can fix this and move forward with submission. Please restore the deleted draft. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuchipud (talk • contribs) 20:07, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

• Sticking {{cc-by-sa-4.0}} at the bottom of your web page might help but then please have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks the woman is notable and writes about her here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:22, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Pages

Past Global Changes (PAGES) was deleted from Wikipedia - why? Hello, Yesterday our international scientific organization PAGES (Past Global Changes) was deleted from Wikipedia. I am unsure why this has happened. I look forward to hearing from you. Best wishes, PagesCH (talk) 13:23, 6 February 2017 (UTC) Angela Wade Communications and Project Officer Past Global Changes Falkenplatz 16 3012 Bern Switzerland http://www.pastglobalchanges.org

• Please read this and then kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your organisation is notable and writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:22, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

In re: Deletion of GreyCortex

Good afternoon, Would appreciate hearing more on the deletion of GreyCortex. It seems to have been deleted under G11. While wikipedia's guidance indicates it is a platform to avoid marketing and advertising, it supports and promotes factually accurate an independently verifiable information. The text edits made to the original submission were clear as to source, avoided puffery, and were factually accurate. Furthermore, Wikipedia does not completely bar "conflicts of interest (COI)" - it only strongly discourages them. Posting in the username greycortex should be sufficiently clear as to source as to meet Wikipedia COI disclosure suggestions, and arguably clearer to those unaccustomed to reading Wikipedia change logs; e.g. those most likely to be confused by COI issues. Furthermore, the text, as revised, specifically avoids marketing-heavy language - including the absence of terms commonly associated with "puffery," and does not serve to "puff up" or inflate and retains only factual information regarding the company. Finally, statements in the text revision are cited to independent sources. Independent information helps to clarify and testify to the factual accuracy of the submission. These independent sources can all be verified and significantly diminish claims of bias/COI/ and/or "marketing" in addition to those cited above. It would seem to be in Wikipedia's best interest to have factually accurate and clearly written posts, rather than those which are biased, regardless of source. After all, an unpaid and "independent" (and thus "unconflicted") fan of a product can be as, or significantly more biased - and thus inaccurate, misleading, or prone to puffery - about a product than those who might be nominally "biased" or "conflicted" under Wikipedia's rules - but who are factually accurate and avoid puffery. The text edits provided are clear as to alleged conflicts, avoid marketing language and/or puffery, and are independently verifiable; fully within the spirit of Wikipedia's goals. It does not seem to unreasonable that based on these points, the page be reinstated. Failing that, we are happy to work with you on text which is suitable to all. Thanks much, -- 195.113.243.68 (talk) 14:46, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

• Please read this. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:22, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Deleting a not-expired PROD

I nominated Awards by Wireless Monitoring Organisation (WMO) for deletion via PROD, and you deleted it four minutes later. I've restored the page, but wanted to let you know. Primefac (talk) 19:37, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

• Edit conflict. I had the state with a speedy tag open in a tab but by the time I got round to actioning it, you had unspeedied it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:23, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Makes sense. It's certainly happened with me trying to delete pages and finding you've already done so. Thanks! Primefac (talk) 22:57, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

DCPP

Hey, Can you please help me identify the main reason for deleting the content about the organization under G11 and G12? Because this page draft was an information page on the organization and not a promotional page nor was the content on the page copy-righted since it was information from the website and properly referenced according to my understanding. It took me a lot of time to compile the data on this organization, so I'd really appreciate it if you can clarify your reasons further. Cheers. wikilink: Draft:Center for Communication Programs Pakistan. — Random2792 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 05:48, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

• G11 because it was written in somewhat spammy language. G12 because the website from which you took the text carries no copyright notice so we must assume that it is "all rights reserved". Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no CoI thinks your organisation is notable and writes about it here. But take it to DRV if you must. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:23, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Muddyung the waters

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, articles should not be moved, as you did to Mudyug concentration camp, without good reason. They need to have a name that is both accurate and intuitive. Wikipedia has some guidelines in place to help with this. Generally, a page should only be moved to a new title if the current name doesn't follow these guidelines. Also, if a page move is being discussed, consensus needs to be reached before anybody moves the page. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. The article maybe could have done with improvement, but please do not move it to the draft space without discussion. Also moving the article back and forwards destroys the edit history. — PatGallacher (talk) 23:03, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

• PatGallacher, please learn to provide an heading when you leave a new talk page message. Why do you welcome me? I joined Wikipedia before you did. Please explain why you created Mudyug concentration camp instead of moving draft:Mudyug concentration camp to that title. Creating by copy&paste instead of move generates mess by leaving multiple copies which someone has to tidy up. More importantly it destroys edit history removing evidence of previous contributors to the article.

I still think that the article should be moved back to draft space but I will not press the point since an AfD discussion would probably decide the subject is notable. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:57, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Request for re-entry of deleted contents.

Sir, the article regarding Wireless Monitoring Organisation has been edited/deleted by you. The contents mentioned in the article were authentic. Therefore you are requested to kindly post again the same deleted contents. Link is as follows - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Monitoring_Organisation Regards Manisheelwant Manisheelwant (talk) 05:52, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

• Learn to use wikilinks - they resolve into desktop or mobile links depending on the reader's machine. That which I deleted was pure list cruft. Only if a significant proportion of the names in the list could be turned into blue wikilinks would the list be acceptable. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:57, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Johannes Cornelius Jacobus (Hans) Lötter

I had declined the CSD for no-context deletion of Johannes Cornelius Jacobus (Hans) Lötter, only to discover that you had deleted it. As I explained to the tagger, his edit to make it qualify for A1 when it previously did not [1], is inappropriate. If you agree with my reasoning, I would like to restore the article, and improve it. Thanks, ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 21:41, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

• I happened to stumble on that deletion - because I still have the tagger's page watchlisted from a previous interaction with them - and I agree with Patar knight. It was a poor article but there was context, if you look at the version before the tagger removed information. Nabla (talk) 01:34, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

• Restored. See #Deleting a not-expired PROD above for the explanation. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:57, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 15:04, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

• Thank you, too. Nabla (talk) 23:42, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Constantine Mavroudis

Hi RHawth, Please forgive me from the start, this is my first Wikipedia submission and I am very excited about it, but I am very new. I am working hard to navigate the process but I am finding it a bit confusing just yet. My article submission yesterday was draft:Constantine Mavroudis. It was entirely original material but as I had trouble with the editing page (please don't pick on me), I typed everything into a word document then cut and pasted it. It was all my own work. I then found the visual editing page which was much easier... and that is why I edited my submission shortly later. It seems my article was deleted. I also see you have done much work on Wikipedia over many years. Are there any recommendations you can make for me to tighten my article? Can you get it back? Do you think it is a noteworthy topic? Thank you in advance for all your help which I have humbly imposed. I am even confused at sending messages. Admittedly, I am not a computer person. I am a nurse practitioner in pediatric cardiac surgery. I am also interested in being published and would love to help Wikipedia in my area of expertise, once I get better at using it altogether! ````amr247rn — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amr247rn (talk • contribs) 15:36, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

• Amr247rn, you really do not deserve this: you failed to provide an heading to this section, were unable to copy&paste my name, failed to provide a link to the article and, worst of all, you have added back the copyvio rubbish. You made a good start on the article but you shot yourself in the foot by adding 100k bytes of unutterably unencyclopedic rubbish. Quite apart from the fact that it was a blatant copyvio, do you really think that people want to see an ill-formatted list of the hundreds of things he has published? I have reverted the article to a non-copyvio state. It needs expansion in your own words with more history but above all it needs links to reliable sources which provide evidence of his notability. By all means link to the article at congenitalheartdocumentary.com but it does not provide the required evidence. You should consider 3k bytes a maximum size for the article. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:45, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of page Draft:Guild Insurance

Hi, I created this draft page for review, it was made only with referenced facts and was not advertising anything. Why was it deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DylanB4 (talk • contribs) 03:45, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your company is notable and writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:56, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Haitong international securities limited

Hi RH. So; yesterday you deleted this page under G11. It's come back today under the tweaked name Haitong International Securities Group Limited. I have stripped loads of the promo out- company products- but I didn't realse until I went to the creator's page that it had already been deleted once. Anyway, just FYI- it's clearly paid editing isn't it, and the ToU should outweigh notability I guess. Take care, O Fortuna!^{...Imperatrix mundi.} 10:33, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• New version don't look too bad. If you don't like it - propose deletion yourself. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:56, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Kemspton Rugby Club

Hi, You deleted an entry for Kempston Rugby Union Football Club, I had just logged on to add content to see it deleted. Just wanted to ask if it could be reinstated so I can add the content and also ask what would qualify the page to being left up once completed? I see many other rugby clubs of similar stature to our on wikipedia and want to make sure i get it right. This is an example page of what I'm looking for: Aylestone Athletic Rugby Union Football Club. Many Thanks Martin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonno1983 (talk • contribs) 11:15, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• Local sports clubs are not usually deemed notable. If you really want to try and create an article, do so via AfC. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:56, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Tim W Byrd

Hello I would like to know why you deleted Mr Tim W Byrds page he is a well known Author and Country music singer songwriter and contributor of country music . Please reinstate the page.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.207.24 (talk) 14:52, 10 February 2017‎ (UTC)

Hello my husband Is Tim W Byrd he is a noted author and mucisian the artical plainly states Where these items are and can be found I don't understand why you deleted his page His work is just as important to humanity as an author and literary purpose and his music as it is a mixture of blues and country rock,I'm asking you to please restore his page.thank you lakeshiambyrd@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.207.24 (talk) 16:35, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

I'll leave RHaworth to expand further upon the actual deletion, but if you wish to write about Byrd I suggest you use the Article Wizard to create a Draft page, which will be reviewed by experienced editors after submission. Primefac (talk) 16:39, 10 February 2017 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

• Lakeshia, kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks Tim is notable and writes about him here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:20, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Jerome KL

Hello, I have a small problem and perhaps you can help. I had created in my sandbox a sub-page with the name infobox (Jerome KL:Example/infobox). It was meant to be a page on which I wanted to experiment with infoboxes. Unfortunately it was removed and can you advice what I should do so that I have a second page in my sandbox. In fact I do not really understand why it was removed. Thanks for the advice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerome KL (talk • contribs) 19:49, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• After three years you should have learned to use the tools that Wikipedia provides. What do you see whan you follow the link to Jerome KL:Example/infobox? Do you know how to view your contributions history? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:20, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Girl Develop It

See User talk:EdJohnston#Girl develop it. The article got recreated as Girl develop it and then a technical move to the protected title was done. Let me know what you think of the revised article. We could ask the creator to go to WP:DRV if you still have concerns. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 21:35, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• As you say, the new version would probably survive an AfD discussion so not worth taking action. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:20, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Haitong International Securities

Hi RHaworth. I recently created an article named Haitong International Securities Group Limited, but the article was unfortunately deleted now. First of all sorry for causing all the troubles here. I would like to know, if I'm going to create an article about a company, can I include some brief intro on the service/prodcuts the company offers, as long as it's written in objective tone? Or are there any other areas I should avoid/be aware of when creating an article about a company? Thank you! Your answer would be highly appreciated and would greatly help me rewrite this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarah.yan (talk • contribs) 21:49, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• Have you actually tried following the link that you provided? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:20, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

For all you do...

		The Winnowing Fan Barnstar
		For separating the wheat from the chaff... For taking care of hemovanadin and countless others for which I suspect you receive little thanks and often much grief. — KDS4444 (talk) 01:29, 11 February 2017 (UTC) Thank you. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Whistle (company)

Hi RHaworth: letting you know I've mainspaced this article, which you deleted in draft form on January 17, after Drmies undeleted and edited the draft and I looked at the sources and made further edits to it. — Yngvadottir (talk) 14:12, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

• Noted. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of "Thugs Of Hindostan"

Thugs Of Hindostan has been deleted by you recently. see here You say that article was complety unsourced. I think that leading Indian newspapers like Indian Express and Times of India are reliable and independent sources. Secondly I put about 2-3 hours of work in researching, writing and refining the article and put my point on notability of article on Talk:Thugs_Of_Hindostan, but I am afraid it was given consideration. I think mechanical deletion of pages would only intimidate new Wikipedia editors like me. Please guide me whether this is Wikipedia policy or am I wrong? — JPskylight (talk) 14:43, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

• Your page was not "mechanically deleted". It was given due consideration and was deleted because it is Wikipedia policy to reject completely unreferenced articles. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for response. May you please enlighten me on "referencing" since every statement and information was properly referenced by me(in compliance with Help:Referencing for beginners and Wikipedia:Citing sources) through citation of newspapers and websites. Are there more policies? Though there was no clear evidence on notability, I agree.JPskylight (talk) 22:12, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

• I have now reviewed matters: none of your recent edits are deleted so what are you complaining about? 00:25, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

My concerns are about deletion of Thugs Of Hindostan page, please see here. JPskylight (talk) 10:06, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

• I have emailed you details of that which I deleted: four edits, none of them very big and none by you. So what exactly is your concern? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:52, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Wholeness axiom

Hello RHaworth. I declined this technical move request by User:TakuyaMurata, hoping for a response from you. I assume there is a disagreement as to whether Draft:Wholeness axiom is ready for main space. It seems that User:Primefac did some earlier moves. User:Robert McClenon is the person who originally moved it into draft space. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 19:13, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

For my part, I came for the R2 and arrived to see the various deletes/moves. The creator recreated in mainspace despite it being moved back to draft twice, so I histmerged and moved it back to draft, protecting the article in the process to avoid further splits. I'm not particularly concerned with where it ends up. Primefac (talk) 19:18, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

In my opinion, it is still not ready for article space. If the author, User:R.e.b., really thinks that it is ready for article space, then the author should be prepared to improve it so that it will survive a discussion at Articles for Deletion. If the author really wants it in article space, that is, in my opinion, their privilege, but there is also a privilege and a right to nominate it for deletion as not explaining the notability of the axiom. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:45, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

I would say we shouldn't force where the author wants to put their drafts. If you think it is not notable, the correct procedure is an AfD not move to the draft space. I will be requesting a technical move again. -- Taku (talk) 19:46, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

• "Still not ready for article space." Will it ever be ready? Ie. is it actually a notable topic? OK, Taku, I have followed correct procedure. The result of the AfD may set a precedent for what we do with the hundred other stubs of yours in draft space that you have not touched for more than a year. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Hemovanadin

Hi Roger, I see that you deleted the page Hemovanadin because it contained copyright material. Instead of outright deletion, why not restore the article back to its earlier version? --Saqib (talk) 15:22, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

FYI: Your deletion got featured on BoingBoing. — Hasteur (talk) 15:53, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Could you please restore this, of course without any copyright-infringing versions or content. Thincat (talk) 16:09, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

I filed a general RfU request half an hour ago, any admin who sees that can bring it back. --McGeddon (talk) 16:16, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

 Done -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:24, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

• The article at boingboing is beneath contempt. I say that this incident demonstrates that Wikipedia is still working efficiently. It took a week to sort the matter out but it did get sorted. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

It was a valid and well argued criticism. If you just check that your speedy deletions are performed according to policy you will not have to bother about whether your contempt is or is not deserved. Thincat (talk) 08:49, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

The deletion was against Wikipedia policy. Wikipedia:Copyright violations#Dealing with copyright violations says: "if all of the content of a page appears to be a copyright infringement or removing the problem text is not an option because it would render the article unreadable, check the page history; if an older non-infringing version of the page exists, you should revert the page to that version".

Wikipedia gets a lot of cut-and-paste copyright violations, and keeping up with removing them is a tedious and thankless job. That does not excuse failing to check the page history as required by Wikipedia policy. -- Guy Macon (talk) 16:19, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Bott–Samelson resolution

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Draft:Bott–Samelson resolution. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Taku (talk) 19:52, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

• Yawn. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of Dr Ir PV Chandramohan

Mr Haworth !

• You have deleted a page without providing warning and sufficient time to act.
• Kindly restore the page, The page will be modified and corrected according to your comments.
• There is no requirement for speedy deletion, when there are a 100 ways to restore.
• I you do not encourage a new user, there is no way of showing yourself as a master of wikipedia articles.

Citsamraj (talk)

(talk page stalker) We never restore copyright violations. Don't bother to ask. If you think Dr. C is in fact notable, create a new Draft:P. V. Chandramohan, without honorifics in the title. Then use your own words to explain why he is notable. -- Orange Mike | Talk 06:58, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Orange Mike. The article was not a copyright violation, the mentioned citation was one of the articles which contained Dr C 's biography. Moreover a biography published by anyone contains the same matter and core words, even if I use my own words. But I accept your suggestion to remove honorifics and create a new page. — Citsamraj (talk)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Dr Ir PV Chandramohan. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Citsamraj (talk) 06:54, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

• I endorse Orangemike's comments. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Email

You have one. Feel free to reply here if you want, no worries. Cheers! O Fortuna!^{...Imperatrix mundi.} 16:37, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

What do we do when a page is promotional, is tagged, but then the creator blanks the page, so removing the promotion and the tag from the page (which of course he shouldn't do) - do they cancel each other out? Like, the tags gone, but so is the promotional material? thank for the advice. O Fortuna!^{...Imperatrix mundi.} 16:37, 15 February 2017 (UTC) [by email]

• Why on earth did you send this by email? If you had cited specific examples, then email might have been appropriate. Very simple answer: slap a {{db-blanked}} tag on it! And if that gets blanked keep re-applying until an admin catches it and actions it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:30, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Sorry RH, I just thought you didn't appreciate getting unecessary messages here. Thanks for that though. Blindingly obvious as you say- I was distracted by the promo aspects rather than the simple fact of author deletion. I'll remember that, cheers, O Fortuna!^{...Imperatrix mundi.} 18:57, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

@RHaworth: One more thing - if it was a user talkpage that had the spam / tag on it and was then blanked? Still U1 but with the mandatory rationale? Thanks again! O Fortuna!^{...Imperatrix mundi.} 15:07, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

• Fortuna, you don't use {{reply}} on my own talk page! It is for use when you reply to me elsewhere. Regarding U1s, I accepted a request to delete user talk:Helloeyworldy because the only content was a welcome message but more usually I refuse requests to delete user_talk pages proper with the message "user talk pages are not usually deleted but they may be blanked". User_talk sub pages can usually be tagged with {{db-blanked}} with subtle exceptions: User talk:PatGallacher/Archive 3 and his other archive pages could be deleted because they were created by a bot and the original edits are still in the history of user talk:PatGallacher. But User talk:Graeme Bartlett/archive 20 and his other archive pages must not be deleted because they were created by a move and contain the original edits. Confused? Don't worry! — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:04, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for that {{ping|RHaworth}}  ;) -all it was, as I was replying to an old message half way up your page, rather than starting a new section. Cheers for the info. So the important thing is preserving the preservable history. Check. I wasn't thinking so much of archives though- haven't encounterd that yet. Perhaps luckily enough. But this was the cause of my question- where the page had been blanked, tag removed, but the promo material is still in the history. Although there's nothing else in the history apart from the tag. Alright. Thanks again, O Fortuna!^{...Imperatrix mundi.} 14:13, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

• Pinging because you were replying half way up the page! Just because you do not how to get a diff report do not assume that nobody else uses them. I am using this report to check what I need to reply to. User talk:Shahdahmad was a perfectly clear case - mis-use of a talk page; no proper messages to cloud the issue - zap it without hesitation. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:07, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Like, nuke from orbit. That's wot some say. Did you see Cronx. Zapped! :) O Fortuna!^{...Imperatrix mundi.} 21:58, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Dawn ODG (rapper) need to be restored

I just realised an article Dawn ODG (rapper) has been deleted based on it being created and deleted last year. Now the article has been cited with good source and I think doesn't deserve to be deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.189.163.42 (talk) 05:59, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

• Please read this and explain what the ODG at the end of his name and Fuse ODG stands for. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:52, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Please the ODG used by Dawn ODG is "On Da Ground" but used by Fuse ODG as "Off the Ground" . Dawn ODG has a Full Meaning of (Disciple A Whole Nation On Da Ground While Fuse ODG means (Fuse Off Da Ground). — Kofiguy233 (talk) 09:31, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Please would like you to restore Deleted Article Dawn ODG (rapper) most pages created earlier has no good source attached so was deleted but now seen the recently deleted article has been improved and have a more notable sources but has been deleted again by you because (G4: Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dawn ODG) so please help restore this Article thanks you please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kofiguy233 (talk • contribs) 09:20, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

• Deleted more than a dozen times (here, here, here, here and here). How many more deletions will it need before reality will dawn on you? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:09, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

• Those articles were deleted because several people wanted to create the article for Dawn ODG and they couldn't site good sources to what they previously wrote that why I want you to take a look so you help so we fix that HappyGirl233 (talk) 07:50, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Mail

Hi, you've got mail. Basalisk ^{inspect damage}⁄_berate 15:00, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. Basalisk ^{inspect damage}⁄_berate 18:12, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

Roger, thank you very much for your assistance! See here. Cheers, --Achim (talk) 16:27, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Ha

Came across this and went, "what is he thinking?" Then I noticed the date. Wikipedia was certainly a different place back then. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 22:33, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

• My very first contribution - done as IP address - was worse, demonstrating that I did not know the difference between a dictionary and an encyclopedia. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 01:02, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Tom Syrowski

I was not aware my article, Tom syrowksi would be deleted, please send it to me if you can? Thank you so much. There are also plenty of new listings I can reference and cite each of the things in the article and it is very similar to other people who do what he does who have their articles up. Please let me know if we can discuss. thank you again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiLA2017 (talk • contribs) 00:00, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

• No wonder it got deleted - you could not even spell his name! I saw your ridiculous claim "three [sic] are hundreds of wiki pages that list him in their credits". The search engine reckons just 25! But even 25 is a good hint of notability so I have restored all your edits. As well as providing decent evidence of your notability you will greatly improve your chances of success if you pull your finger out and make the layout simply look like a wiki article - bulleted list, proper use of <ref>, no naked URLs, etc. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 01:02, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Stability of characterization

Dear RHaworth, Please give me some information why stability of characterization was deleted. What I should do to 'have' this page online? Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Žydrūnas VU (talk • contribs) 09:17, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

• It was deleted as a clear copypasted violation of this, see the article logs. SwisterTwister talk 16:18, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank You for Your message. Unfortunately it is misunderstanding. The quotes in that page was copied from this open-source page. Please open and check it. I also have an Agreement of the Author of this book for publishing online. Is there something more I can do to bring back this page to be alive? Thank You. Žydrūnas VU (talk) 08:50, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

• I see no evidence that the article at talpykla.elaba.lt is open source. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:05, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank You for Your prompt reply/comment. This book is reached without any login or password. Isn't it mean is open-source? This book is find in internet source named "Turinys" of the same university where the author is working. Žydrūnas VU (talk) 14:34, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

• No log in so it must be open source!!! What an hopeless misunderstanding in two respects. Please read about the open-source model. It has nothing to do with how you get to a given page. Sorry, I clouded the issue by saying "no evidence that … is open source" - I was confusing "open source" with "publick domain". We are not talking about how a given site is created: we are talking about its copyright status. If a page does not carry an explicit copyright statement then you must assume that it is "all rights reserved". You must look for a Creative Commons or compatible licence declaration and even then you must be careful. A page marked {{cc-by-nd-3.0}}, for example, may not be used in Wikipedia. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:07, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of Spotahome

Hi RHaworth, I see you deleted this article of mine on Spotahome I am a professional newspaper journalist and am pretty well versed in writing an unbiased article, although I'm not sure if someone from the company may have added any promotional language to it after my original submission. I truly believe Spotahome is an interesting and notable company. It appears that the company has not done much PR outside of Spain, but has been featured in that country's most important media outlets.

Also, several of Spotahome's competitors have Wikipedia pages. Weroom is a much smaller player in this industry, while HousingAnywhere and Uniplaces are around the same level as Spotahome. HousingAnywhere was founded around the same time, while Uniplaces has been around a bit longer. All three of those articles seem more promotional than what I wrote about Spotahome, so I don't understand what the differentiating criteria was. I guess it just depended on which editor happened to come across the article? I truly want to understand how this works so I don't spend more time writing articles that will be deleted. Thank you! Sweeeedishfish (talk) 17:19, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

• I can personally assure you I will examine those articles but, if advertising, they're no match in our policies and shall be deleted as such; articles here simply aren't automatically notable because they're interesting; in this case, see WP:What Wikipedia is not. Searching for what we would need found nothing suitable. SwisterTwister talk 03:53, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Hygienic Dress League

Hi RHaworth, Request to return Draft:Hygienic Dress League Corporation, submitted October 10, 2016. Thank you for your beyond decade long commitment to Wikipedia and information sharing. I have been working on an article for a recognized group of public artists whose work I admire, Hygienic Dress League, for about a year now. I last submitted on October 10, 2016 and was rejected for the article's 'advertising qualities.' Because the artists' mission focuses on creating a commentary between advertising, branding, and promotion, I had used language that reflected their sentiments.

I came back to edit out all superfluous, advertorial language so Hygienic Dress League's work can be accessed via Wikipedia, but I found that you have moved or deleted the article. Is there a way you can restore it? Please don't hesitate to reach out to me here or at my personal email: [redacted] Thank you, Beccalaurie (talk) 20:30, 20 February 2017 (UTC) Rebecca

• Advertising is simply not restored, and in this case, it's best to start new, however, I will note that attempts at searching for better substance found only their own business announcements. SwisterTwister talk 03:53, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Mark M. Whelan FRSA deletion

Could you please explain the criteria for reinstatement of Mark M. Whelan FRSA, it had verified links to the Guardian, Conservative party, Amazon publication, and the RSA (Royal Society of the Arts) This seems to be grounds for plausible creation and credibility of the the page, therefore, it appears unreasonable to delete the page. Please advise your criteria for keeping a page that the person of interest is followed by the Foreign Office among other notable people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vizulux (talk • contribs) 20:05, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

• I see you have learned to leave FRSA out of the title. But in draft:Mark Whelan you still need to clothe those naked URL's and realise that twitter is not a reliable source. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:07, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Slavery in the Spanish New World colonies

Hello. I helped contribute references to the article you deleted, Slavery in the Spanish New World colonies. Can you please explain why it was deleted and what the process was in deciding that it was full of "alternative facts?" I know for sure that the facts that I added about the Encomienda system is not an alternative fact. If there are other problematic areas in the article, I think that should be addressed at AfD. Did this go through that process? Also, may I see the original file so that I can evaluate other sources? Thank you ~ Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:48, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

• Grovelling apologies. I can only give the weak excuse that the title suggested it might be a student essay. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:07, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Gotcha! Thanks! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:59, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Mandela Effect Wikipedia page

Good afternoon, My purpose for contacting you is to ask why, in your own words, the Mandela effect Wikipedia page was taken down and ultimately to ask you to please reinstate it. I am an admin for the largest membered Mandela effect page on Facebook where we are steadily approaching 22,000 members at this time and the page being deleted has troubled many of our members. As for the purpose of its deletion being stated that the article had no meaningful, substantive content is not entirely up to you or whomever it was to decide. This is a very sensitive subject matter where it has not received much, if any, coverage through mainstream media sources and many who do run across the subject turn to more "credible" sites such as Wikipedia to get a better foundational understanding of what exactly the matter entails. Also, I notice controversial results when searching "Mandela Effect Wikipedia" as the two leading results are "False memories" and "Confabulation" but I won't bother you on that matter as I'm sure you don't have any control of that. Being so, I politely ask that you reinstate the page or direct me to someone who can. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luke1132 (talk • contribs)

Mandela Effect 2

Can you also delete The mandela effect because that continues to be redirect to False memory. Thanks.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:40, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Peer5 deletion

Hello, I would like to contest the deletion of this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer5 I think that speedy deletion criteria have not been met. Primarily, the page created had reputable, industry relevant sources, and the article topic is a well-known company in its industry. In addition, Wikipedia already has similar articles about companies in the same industry. So, I think that the first speedy deletion criteria was not met, ie, A7. As for G11, I'm ready to remedy that if my complain is taken into consideration. Thank you -- Reollun (talk) 10:50, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Article Deletion Request

Hi Roger, Please could you kindly send me the text for the following article of mine that you deleted - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Advantage_Testing&action=edit&redlink=1 I understand your reasons for deleting, as it appears to be simply marketing for a company. So I wish to rewrite the article in an unbiased, objective manner. Many thanks for your assistance and for giving your time to Wikipedia - it's a tremendous resource. Best wishes, James — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jameslox (talk • contribs) 11:56, 23 February 2017 (UTC)