Draft talk:Joseph M. Reagle Jr.
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Since I wasn't getting anywhere with having easily fixed errors corrected, I've rewritten the article. Others can edit or comment on that, or confirm and copy the prose over, in whole or in part. -Reagle (talk) 13:17, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Please use the X to Y format, it is hard to see what is different, editors (like me) probably won't read through the entire article switching back and forth between the versons (I know I won't). X to Y will go much faster. Darth Flappy «Talk» 23:20, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hi DarthFlappy! The article needs a rewrite, it has many errors, the prose is janky, and the citations suck. I've made it more accurate, improved the prose, and increased and standardized all citations (e.g., moved to List-defined style with good ref names). You can see the differences at the compare tool. If {{request edit}} can't use that (and only do piecemeal replacements), can you suggest aanother process that reviews rewrites? -Reagle (talk) 00:59, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- Great article! I can see why you want a rewrite, and it didn't seem like an advert. However it does have one (big) issue: Almost all of your citations are primary. The only ones that dosen't seem to be primary is this one that is 404[1], and this one which I looks ok to me. [2] Thanks for showing the compare tool, and great work on the article, but you need secondary reliable sources! Darth Flappy «Talk» 20:04, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- DarthFlappy, with respect to dates I've been at organizations, I've replaced the links to my (always up to date) website with the links to (stale) organizations' pages. I added a few other secondary sources I've also fixed the TR35 link. Someone could plumb my dozens of media appearences or the reviews of my books [1][2][3] for more, but I'm just trying to replace the awful version that's there. I think my proposal is much better on that front. -Reagle (talk) 15:21, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- Looking at WP:Primary, I think I was a bit harsh about secondary sources so I added your Education section. I'll leave the rest for someone else. Darth Flappy «Talk» 22:43, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- DarthFlappy, I appreciate the gesture and effort, but there's broken refs now. In my version, I made Nissenbaum a link, so you could port the whole thing over if you want. 😊 -Reagle (talk) 15:55, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
- I think I fixed the refs. As for moving all of your draft over, there others sections that I didn't add. I'll leave it for other editor. Darth Flappy «Talk» 18:16, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
- DarthFlappy, I appreciate the gesture and effort, but there's broken refs now. In my version, I made Nissenbaum a link, so you could port the whole thing over if you want. 😊 -Reagle (talk) 15:55, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
- Looking at WP:Primary, I think I was a bit harsh about secondary sources so I added your Education section. I'll leave the rest for someone else. Darth Flappy «Talk» 22:43, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- DarthFlappy, with respect to dates I've been at organizations, I've replaced the links to my (always up to date) website with the links to (stale) organizations' pages. I added a few other secondary sources I've also fixed the TR35 link. Someone could plumb my dozens of media appearences or the reviews of my books [1][2][3] for more, but I'm just trying to replace the awful version that's there. I think my proposal is much better on that front. -Reagle (talk) 15:21, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- Great article! I can see why you want a rewrite, and it didn't seem like an advert. However it does have one (big) issue: Almost all of your citations are primary. The only ones that dosen't seem to be primary is this one that is 404[1], and this one which I looks ok to me. [2] Thanks for showing the compare tool, and great work on the article, but you need secondary reliable sources! Darth Flappy «Talk» 20:04, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Reify-tech, thanks for the tweaks to Joseph M. Reagle Jr.. I've been trying to get that article help for years but I can't fix it myself. After much frustration, my latest effort was to simply to draft a replacement User:Reagle/sandbox/Joseph M. Reagle Jr. and hope someone ports it over. It looks like you've done a few tweaks to the live article (perhaps using the sandbox?), which I've incorporated into the version in the sandbox. -Reagle (talk) 20:56, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Jerodlycett, thanks for the <br/> tweaks to (the out of date) Joseph M. Reagle Jr., I've ported them to the improved version in my sandbox that I hope someone will replace the (broken) live version with. -Reagle (talk) 13:16, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Okay so this draft article and its existing one contains a whole load of primary sources which is definitely not what an article should have. I don't find WP:PRIMARY to be a concern since all I see is straight forward facts or research by secondary sources. The main thing that may be a concern is WP:BLPSELFPUB and notability because it lacks secondary sources, particularly WP:ANYBIO, WP:AUTHOR or WP:NPROF. With my concerns, I will defer this to AfC reviewers who are more experiences [than me]. {{reply to|Can I Log In}}'s talk page! 18:20, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- Turns out, an AfC reviewer won't review it. Starting a merge proposal to get broader input if it's suitible for merging; I have no opinion on the merge. {{reply to|Can I Log In}}'s talk page! 19:38, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- Can I Log In, thank you for starting a merge discussion. I just updated the books with a selection of reviews for each book as that was the only thing in the live version that was missing from the new draft. -Reagle (talk) 17:06, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
- Turns out, an AfC reviewer won't review it. Starting a merge proposal to get broader input if it's suitible for merging; I have no opinion on the merge. {{reply to|Can I Log In}}'s talk page! 19:38, 27 June 2020 (UTC)