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Paine is the first one to use the term "Nigger Jim," in a literary context.

Seeing as how critic Russell Baker was born in 1925, a year after Paine's last biography of Twain came out, to use the phrase, "Baker's basis for attributing "Nigger Jim" as an epithet to Twain is unknown," is a falsity. Whether Baker directly read Twain's biography or not (though the fact that he is a critic/columnist indicates he would have at some point), his writing still took place long after the book came out which means he either took the phrase from Paine or from another critic who took it from Paine. His basis is not, therefore, "unknown."

Also, Wikipedia is a site which tries to be encyclopedic, yet a listing of where the words "Nigger," and "Jim," are together a) constitutes original research on your part which is a Wiki no-no (the research being the fact that though you and I can see where he did not put the terms together, no accredited professional has done so in one paper) and b) combined with the listing of critics such as Mailer and Fiedler, but not every critic who's ever used the term comes off as biased against those prominent writers, and reads more like (and this is not an ACCUSation, only an OBSERVation) an angry African-American person breaking the text down to educate ignorant "whitey."

Sfiller says: I don't quite get this ancient things except to note that they forced me to back off the interesting observation that a mass delusion persisted, and was content to note that the use of the term "Nigger Jim," which has no basis in the novel ADVENTURES OF HUCKLEBERRY FINN, seems to have started with an influential 1912 biography that uses the term, and this is the best explanation of a visible phenomenon manifested in this Wikipedia article in the form of the Baker quotation, inserted wisely by someone, to good to remove, but misleading in that someone might read it and suppose that "Nigger Jim" is a character in the novel, whereas the term is all wrong for the leading character, who is introduced at the beginning of the novel as an artist who's fame has made him all but unfit to be a servant; i.e., set apart from all the other slaves. It is not a case of my originality but of correcting for disinformation. Finding Payne was a piece of luck from other people's research, and a look at the biography makes it clear that it had to be influential. The comment--if it remains there in 2010--refrains, with effort, from speculation; e.g., as to why leading U.S. critics used this strange term, more evocative of Contrad than Twain, over decades. If someone could show that Clemens himself used it despite the changes in his views, it would still be misleading in an article cognizant of, if not absorbed in, the novel's remarkable and persistent success. Stuart Filler (talk) 02:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Gnrlotto 06:52, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey Stu

Lots of changes to Vincent Chin, lots more to come. You might want to add some references to the Louis Filler article.MMetro (talk) 13:54, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Correcting the name of P.H.H.P.

Stuart, I'm Tom Padilla, Martha's son. I checked with my mom and the name of the P.H.H.P. article is wrong. The problem is, Bevens got it wrong in his article... over and over and over again. Since WP needs citations to make changes and we don't have a citation for the correct name the best course of action is for you (a member of the commitee) to contact them and ask for the name to be corrected. Go to the page for Wikipedia:Contact_us/Article_problem/Factual_error_(from_subject) and near the bottom is a list of things to put in the email (the exact article link and the specific problem). Let me know if you need any help with any part of this (you can just reply right on this page, I'll be watching). Padillah (talk) 13:37, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

A Canticle for Leibowitz copyright vs publication date

Sfiller, I saw your note on the year change for ACfL. What information do you have about the actual publication date? My understanding is that it was copyrighted in 1959, but publication didn't occur until the following year. This would fit in with the Hugo Award occurring in 1961 (Starship Troopers, for example was published in December 1959, but received the 1960 Hugo). Interested in anything you've got. Thanks.
Jim Dunning | talk 06:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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