Sipos111
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February 2018
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Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been reverted.
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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continual disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. - theWOLFchild 20:03, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Firearms
editRegarding your posts to User 7&6-thirteen's talk page, (and your edits in general), you are correct in that articles about sporting goods companies should not just be "corporate propaganda". Another thing they are not however, nor is Wikipedia in general, is a soapbox for an anti-gun crusade. Incidents regarding firearms, such as mass-shootings, are documented in the appropriate articles. Articles about notable corporations are about just that, the corporation. Some of those articles do note related controversies where appropriate, but only as long as the article maintains a neutral balance. This is an encyclopaedia. Please keep that in mind, if you choose to continue editing here, and please stop your disruptive editing and edit-warring on pages such as American Outdoor Brands Corporation and Smith & Wesson. Thank you - theWOLFchild 20:20, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
- "Articles about notable corporations are about just that, the corporation." How is it not relevant that a corporation's products were used in a nationally newsworthy massmurder? Let's not pretend that I have more of an agenda than the user who edited me. https://lightbreather.com/wikipedia-pro-gun-eds-niteshift36-and-springee-c2accb697911
- And re: that "sporting goods company," how is the reason for their rebranding not worthy of being mentioned, if their rebranding is being mentioned.
- -Sipos — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sipos111 (talk • contribs) 15:40, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
- That is something you should be bringing up on the talk page of the company's article. Not debating over edit-warring edit summaries and multiple user talk pages. - theWOLFchild 21:01, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
- Maybe I should ALSO be putting these comments in those places, but here I was directly responding to your comments. FWIW, I find your characterization of my edits to be interesting. One man's "anti-gun crusade" is another's reasonable inclusion of relevant facts. Sipos111 (talk) 21:18, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
- See comments below. - theWOLFchild 23:52, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
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edit{posted to my (thewolfchild's) talk page for some reaon): This user claimed I was disruptive for wanting to include information about the use of a corporation's products on that corporations pages, and for wanting to explain why a coporation rebranded itself. Language used was non-inflamatory. Facts were provided and cited. I am not a wikipedia insider, so forgive me if I don't follow all of the conventions here. Take care!
-sipos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sipos111 (talk • contribs) 15:35, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
- First off, it's clearly posted on my talk page that if I have posted a comment on your talk page, then reply on your talk page, not mine. Surely you saw that(?) so, how about you respect it? I know you're new here, but you will find that most, if not all, editors here prefer to keep discussions to one page, instead of spreading them out across multiple pages.
- Now, with that said, I claimed you were being disruptive because you were. You posted content that was reverted. Per WP:BRD, once that happens, if you wish to contest it, you need to go to the article talk page and start a discussion. Instead, you reverted again, which is the first step in an edit war. Edit-warring is disruptive, res ipsa loquitur, therefore, you were being disruptive. You are new here, so I strongly urge you to take the time to learn the policies and guidelines of this project before you go editing whatever "you think" should be in some the articles here. I added a 'welcome' template above for this very reason. It has plenty of links to information for new users to help them learn their way around here, so they don't start creating drama and discord on their first day. Please read through it. Thank you - theWOLFchild 20:55, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
- Mea culpa. Meanwhile kids are dying and users are exploiting wikipedia's systems to prevent those deaths from being associated with a major cause of those deaths. Sadly, I truly don't have time to learn my way around. Sipos111 (talk) 21:12, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
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Maybe I should ALSO be putting these comments in those places, but here I was directly responding to your comments.
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- You were "directly responding to [my] comments"... by posting on a completely different page. Got it.
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FWIW, I find your characterization of my edits to be interesting. One man's "anti-gun crusade" is another's reasonable inclusion of relevant facts.
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- FWIW, I find your characterization of "reasonable inclusion of relevant facts" interesting.
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Meanwhile kids are dying and users are exploiting wikipedia's systems to prevent those deaths from being associated with a major cause of those deaths.
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- Oh my gawwwwd... did you really just trot out the "dying kids" card? (and you don't consider this a crusade?). Show me one kid, just one, why "died" because you couldn't post your anti-gun rant on a Wikipedia page. First, how can possibly, even remotely, show any connection between the two? Second, you can't, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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Sadly, I truly don't have time to learn my way around.
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- Then it's probably for the best you move on. You seem to be able to post whatever you please over at 'lightbreather', (without worrying about, you know... editing guidelines, balance, neutrality... all that 'guff'), so why don't you take your Henny Penny routine over there? Ciao - theWOLFchild 23:52, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
- User: Thewolfchild, lay off this. "The dying kids card"--I can play that too, if that's what you want to call it, but I can make it sound more neutral and I have an administrator's button. You best lay off the personal attacks; if you want to make fun of someone else's grief, do it on your MySpace or whatever you not-kids-anymore people have. Please do not think that I am joking. I got kids, you understand? Drmies (talk) 00:56, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
- Well Drmies, that's the point; I don't think anyone should be invoking the death of children here for any reason. I didn't pick up on any "grief" in Sipos111's comments, but if I had, I certainly wouldn't "make fun" of it. While my comments were somewhat sarcastic, and intentionally so, I don't believe they constitute "personal attacks". I'm aware you're an admin, but I don't think admin action is warranted here. And lastly, I absolutely believe that you are not joking. And neither was I. I fully understand parenthood and all it entails. Cheers - theWOLFchild 02:09, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
- User: Thewolfchild, I didn't set a very good example of how to behave, did I. I apologize for my tone and for the suggestion that you're not mature enough to be here, or whatever I meant in my anger. I hope you understand that I got (too) fired up from an AGF point of view--that this editor shouldn't be mocked because of that "dying kids" comment, which we should all take seriously (and I know you do too). Sipos, none of that takes away from the fact that your edits were seriously problematic, of course, and I hope you take the various comments (on ANI, and below by 72bikers) to heart. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 20:30, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
ANI related to your account
edithttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Sipos111_for_WP:NOTHERE_and_WP:OUTING_myself_and_Niteshift36 Springee (talk) 22:24, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
- Sipos, if you really want to get anything done here, leave your guns at the door, learn the conventions, and play by the rules. If you don't, you will just be blocked indefinitely. That may make you feel good and all righteous for a moment, but it won't make a damn bit of difference. Drmies (talk) 00:48,
17 February 2018 (UTC)
Talk page conversation
editI would only add by saying take heed of what was said here, and to join the talk page conversation here Douglas High School shooting.-72bikers (talk) 01:23, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
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