Solomonmorris
Hi there Solomon, I'm assuming you didn't do it on purpose, but on the naturopathy talk page it appears that my comments along with Alexbrn's were removed and that's not considered good form. I'm assuming good faith on your part, but please be careful next time. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 19:37, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
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editYou are new here and may not understand the "rules" very well, much less the spirit that informs them - it is very very unwise to jump straight into a heated dispute as appear to do at the Naturopathy article. Go slow and learn how we operate.
I am sorry about this, but if you really want to get involved, it turns out that Wikipedia is a pretty complex place. Being an "encyclopedia that anyone can edit" means that over the years, Wikipedia has developed lots of policies and guidelines (PAG) to help provide a "body of law" as it were, that form a foundation for rational discussion. Without that foundation, this place would be both a garbage dump of random content and a wild west - a truly ugly place. But with the foundation, there is guidance for generating excellent content and there are ways to rationally work things out - if, and only if, all the parties involved accept that foundation and work within it. One of the hardest things for new people, is to understand not only that this foundation exists, but what its letter and spirit is. (I keep emphasizing the spirit, because too often people fall prey to what we call "wikilawyering") The more I have learned about how things are set up here - not just the letter of PAG and the various drama boards and administrative tools, but their spirit - the more impressed I have become at how, well ... beautiful this place is. It takes time to learn both the spirit and the letter of PAG, and to really get aligned with Wikipedia's mission to crowdsource a reliable, NPOV source of information for the public (as "reliable" and "NPOV" are defined in PAG!). People come edit for many reasons, but one of the main ones is that they are passionate about something. That passion is a double-edged sword. It drives people to contribute which has the potential for productive construction, but it can also lead to WP:TENDENTIOUS editing, which is really destructive. WP:ADVOCACY is one of our biggest bedevilments. Anyway, I do hope you slow down and learn. There are lots of people here who are happy to teach, if you open up and listen and ask authentic questions, not rhetorical ones.
PAG are described and discussed in a whole forest of documents within Wikipedia that are "behind the scenes" in a different "namespace", in which the documents start with "Wikipedia:" or in shorthand, "WP:" (for example, our policy on edit warring is here: WP:EDITWAR not here EDITWAR). You won't find these documents by using the simple search box above, which searches only in "main space" where the actual articles are. However if you search with the prefix, (for example if you search for "WP:EDITWAR") you will find policies and guidelines. Likewise if you do an advanced search with "wikipedia" or "help" selected you can also find things in "Wikipedia space". The link in the welcome message above the "Five Pillars" points you to our most important policies and I recommend that you read them all, if you have not already and if you intend to stick around! They guide everything that happens here.
With all that in mind, here are some things that I suggest you read (I know, I know, things to read... but like I said, Wikipedia can be complicated!)
- WP:OR - no original research is allowed -instead...
- WP:VERIFY - everything must be based on reliable sources (as we define them)
- WP:MEDRS - this is our guideline for sourcing health-relating content in Wikipedia. This is probably the key thing you will need to mind. This is really important. Wikipedia is committed to science-based medicine, from from the top to the ground. If you are not familiar with the "lunatics and charlatans" matter, please read this. The MEDRS sourcing standard, is what keeps content about health science-based. You have to follow it.
- WP:NPOV - this does not mean what most people think it means. it means that you read the most recent and best reliable sources you can find, and figure out what the mainstream view is, and that is what gets the most WP:WEIGHT. Pay special mind to the WP:PSCI section, which is further elaborated in the WP:FRINGE guideline.
- WP:MEDMOS - this our manual of style, for how we write about health-related things. We are very careful not to discuss pre-clinical findings, as well as initial clinical results, as though they are applicable to medicine. We are very conservative in that regard!
- WP:CONSENSUS - Wikipedia has plenty of policies and guidelines, as I mentioned, but really at the end of the day this place is ... a democracy? an anarchy? something hard to define. But we figure things out by talking to one another. CONSENSUS is the bedrock on which everything else rests. So please talk - please never edit war (see warning above). If you make a change to an article and someone else reverts it, the right thing to do is to follow WP:BRD (please do read that) - but briefly, when you are reverted, open a discussion on the article's Talk page. Ask the reason under policy and guidelines why your change was reverted -- and really ask, and really listen to the answer, and go read whatever links you are pointed to. Think about it, and if there is something you don't understand, ask more questions. Please only start to actually argue once you understand the basis for the objection. If you and the other party or parties still disagree, there are many ways to resolve disputes (see WP:DR) - it never needs to become emotional - because we do have this whole "body of law" and procedures to resolve disputes.
Anyway, good luck! Jytdog (talk) 16:20, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply over on my Talk page. can i teach you some basic stuff? if so, please reply here. and please sign your posts. by that, i mean type four tildas at the end, like this ~~~~. The wikipedia software will convert that into a link to your user page and to your talk page, and will add a date stamp. this is basic wiki-etiquette. there will be a few more things like this. (maybe seems petty to you, but it is as basic as please and thank you here, and you don't need to add offending people with rudeness to your challenges!) Jytdog (talk) 20:23, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
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