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QT1000

Hi there. I am user QT1000. I want to know why you deleted the article "Farview Avenue, Paramus". Please put the answer on my talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by QT1000 (talk • contribs) 03:06, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

List of Historic places, WV

Hey there, a quick question. I saw that the number of sites for WV historic places has bee adjusted. I know of a few places which are in totum, gone (McDowell County). Example: Some idiot in Switchback WV burned down the store. Should I adjust the number OR just comment that the place is gone and wait for the Register to delist them?Coal town guy (talk) 17:04, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

For now, just comment that the place is gone and wait for the Register to delist them. There are quite a few sites that get burned down and stay on the NR for whatever reason, and since they're still listed they're kept in the state lists. You also might want to contact the folks at the NR to tell them that these places are gone, since they often don't know and need a local to tell them when sites are destroyed. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 19:18, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

To Coal town guy -- it would be most helpful if you could provide what you know at wp:NRIS info issues WV, if any of these are NRHP-listed historic sites. We at wikiproject NRHP keep lists in each state about any places that have been demolished (hopefully with documentation links if available) and which should have been NRHP-delisted. That way we can document what we are covering publicly as odd-but-true situation of a place being demolished but still NRHP-listed, or whatever. Maybe you know about this already? Anyhow, glad to see you at work. --doncram 19:53, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I notice another editor did previously note one demolished-but-still-NRHP-listed WV historic site. And please, even if they are just state-listed places and not NRHP-listed, you could add the info to the NRIS info issues WV page, anyhow, just clarify what they are. No need to set up a separate system to cover non-NRHP historic site issues like these. --doncram 19:56, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks all. Of note, in my last driving odyssey in WV to see places on the list in a few WV counties, out of the 16+ I visited, I would guesstimate 80% will be next visited by a bulldozer. AND I am being conservative in that estimate. I also wanted to ask, if it would be OK, to note the condition of the structure. Example, Heavily Vandalized etc etc? This is of course possibly not within the scope, BUT IMO, and I stress, IMO, would provide a benefit to the folks who want to visit these places. I had no issue personally with crawling in abandoned structures, some however, might wish to know that the place they wish to visit is in common parlence, a burned out hole. Again, I will follow any and all direction or suggestions provided.Coal town guy (talk) 21:48, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Yarnell, Pennsylvania

Hi-Yarnell, Pennsylvania. There are 3 communities named Yarnell in the United States and this is one of them. Thanks-RFD (talk) 11:38, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) There are also 2 ghost towns with that ne, I just did the one in Oregon, there is one yet to be done in Lincoln County MontanaCoal town guy (talk) 18:37, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi-According to GNIS, Yarnell, Montana in Lincoln County is classified a locale. GNIS=802242. Thanks-RFD (talk) 19:51, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

The GNIS says Yarnell, Montana was "a portable saw mill and a railroad siding" before it got flooded. I'm not sure if that qualifies as a community, since nobody really lived there. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:49, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Its a tough call, I am not up on Montana history, I wish I knew more of that area. Normally, you had to have a community to house the folks who did the work. Of course, that does not per se mean, they lived in that placed called Yarnell.Coal town guy (talk) 00:59, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

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Montoya, New Mexico

Hi... I have the impression you fix up community/village/GNIS location articles upon request. I've drafted an article about Montoya, New Mexico, at User:Doncram/Montoya, New Mexico. This also relates to User:Doncram/Richardson Store. Montoya and this store happen to be on historic Route 66. Perhaps you could take a look? Thanks in advance, --doncram 04:13, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

I moved both articles to the mainspace and cleaned up Montoya. I will generally clean up or add an infobox to community articles, within reason. For future reference, you might want to look at what I added to the Montoya article; there are a few things, particularly the county navbox, which are in all community articles and aren't hard to add. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 05:04, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Ah, i see that simply {{Quay County, New Mexico}} is that navbox, and i presume i am to expect there will be a similar navbox for most/all U.S. counties. I'll try that in the future; i was not aware of this. I am more aware that if I spend any time adding anything like a HometownLocator link which would probably be available and would provide a portion of the GNIS info, that someone would remove that in favor of more official GNIS link, and infobox. So I have been conditioned to add less rather than more. I see my text pretty much survived; I do think a National Register mention helps such articles and suffices together with the GNIS info to make it a worthwhile short stub. I will try to remember to try/search for county navboxes. Thanks! --doncram 05:12, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, pretty much every county in the U.S. (except for consolidated city-counties) has a similar navbox, and they're all named the same way. If you want to add it, the GNIS info isn't too hard to add; you just search for places here (for communities, select "populated place" as the feature class), and then put the feature ID and name into Template:Cite gnis. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 05:58, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Nauvoo, Tennessee

Hi-Nauvoo, Tennessee-thanks-RFD (talk) 23:13, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Bonicord, Tennessee

Hi-Bonicord, Tennessee-thanks-RFD (talk) 12:11, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

And Bakerville, Jefferson County, Illinois-thanks-RFD (talk) 16:22, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

NRHP and KY

Hey there, need some feedback. I havbe started to review each KY county and have noted ALOT of the places where there is a place in the NRHP do not have a town article yet. SO, I have started creating the unincorporated communities for a few of the KY counties thus far. In many instances, we have the actual NRHP article with a red link for the place it resides. I hope to fix that. Do you have a county that is the standout for this tyype of help? Seeing as how KY has over 100 counties, I thought I would askCoal town guy (talk) 20:59, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out with those! I try to write articles for those places when I come across them, but there are a lot of them. Kentucky has the fourth-most NRHP listings in the nation, and a lot of them are rural. I'm not sure of any counties in particular that have a bunch missing, though in general counties with more listings will probably have more redlinked places. For instance, Warren County has 5 redlinked places and 97 listings, both of which are fairly high. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 22:26, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I took care of Shelby County already, as well as Fulton, which, does have a few if I recall. Warren County will e next, GROOVY. Looks like small places are even MORE notable than once thought...I like it!Coal town guy (talk) 02:06, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Warren County is ready when you are.Coal town guy (talk) 02:26, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! If I see any more counties with a bunch of redlinked places I'll tell you. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 02:30, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I just noticed that Christian County has a whole bunch missing. Any chance you could take a look at that one? TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 02:34, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Christian County is ready when you are.Coal town guy (talk) 02:55, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Got one for you to look at, check out Menifee County. I cant find a place named Menifee within Menifee County...I think the list needs a correction??Coal town guy (talk) 03:12, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

This is an odd one. I can't find any place named Menifee either, but I checked the listing in NPS Focus, and it said the place was Menifee. The nomination form for that listing isn't online, so I can't check if it has a mistake. For all I know they put the county down in the city field because there isn't a city around there. I'm not sure what city to replace it with, though, because the USGS topographic map of the area and the county highway maps for the region don't show a community within a few miles. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 03:56, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

I left a note about that listing at WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 04:14, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

a burg for you

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Lloyds

Hi-Lloyd Landing, Maryland, Lloyds, Maryland, Lloyds, Virginia, Lloyds, Alabama-thanks-RFD (talk) 14:15, 7 July 2013 (UTC) Hi-also Loyd, Colorado, Loyd, Louisiana, Loyd, Missouri, Loyd, Mississippi-many thanks-RFD (talk) 20:16, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Balmoral

Hi-Balmoral, Louisiana, Balmoral, Maryland, Balmoral, Tennessee, Lees Mill, New Hampshire, Ragged Top, South Dakota-thanks-RFD (talk) 15:16, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

NRHP thought of the hour/day

A consideration, in all of the county lists for any of the states I have looked, do we, yes or no, have a disclaimer or descriptor that would state something along the lines of what you just said?? Example, NRHP is near or in the city or town of, as opposed to city and town which we have now in the article lists? I did put this on the NRHP talk board, BUT hey why not get your thoughts?Coal town guy (talk) 15:34, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

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Want to contribute NRHP

Hey there, a powerful, but stupid question from me. I want to start creating some NRHP pages. I have noted the geo coordinates in the articles. I have looked at the NRHP nomination forms and not seen them. WHAT am I missing??? How would I get them? Many thanksCoal town guy (talk) 18:37, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You might try reading through WP:NRHPFAQ for some short information or try WP:NRHPHELP and WP:NRHPMOS for a more thorough description of some resources you can use to find information about sites on the NRHP and about common practices with NRHP articles. To answer the question specifically, I usually get coordinates from the Elkman infobox generator or from the county lists themselves, which will many times be more accurate than the NRIS (see WP:NRHPHELP#Coordinates issues for more info about inaccuracies in coordinates in the NRIS).--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 18:51, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

GROOOVYCoal town guy (talk) 18:58, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Lloyd

Hi-Lloyd, Arkansas, Lloyd, Ohio, Lloyd, Montana-thanks-RFD (talk) 19:19, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

La Pointe, Wisconsin

Hi-One of the editors Billertl moved the La Point (community), Wisconsin article to the La Pointe (township), Wisconsin. This is a big mistake. In Wisconsin, there is a townships just towns, see Political subdivisions of Wisconsin. Also combining the La Pointe town and unincorporated communities was another mistake. I wish Billertl would had consulted the community before the move was made. I thought this was resolved. I will let Billertl know I brought it up with you. Thanks-RFD (talk) 11:33, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

I just made some comments at the La Pointe, Wisconsin article talk page. Thank you again-RFD (talk) 12:04, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

I revert the town of La Pointe article to the correct title. I hope people will take this the the La Pointe, Wisconsin article- many thanks-RFD (talk) 16:36, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

I acknowledge I made a mistake in the terminology. RFD is totally correct that the term should be "town", and not "township". I apologize for the mistake in terminology, and I appreciate the correction.

RFD was upset, because he or she thought I merged the article about the community with the other article about the town. I NEVER did any such thing, and I would never merge two articles without discussing it with the community on the Talk page. In fact, this really was proposed at one time, and the consensus was not to merge the articles (which I CLEARLY never did, contrary to what RFD said).

Please allow me to explain exactly what I did. I wanted to make a clarification, which I thought was necessary. The content of the article Lapointe, Wisconsin has always been written in a tone that mostly reflected the tone and style for an article that would be about the community. And that is the article many people go to for information about the community.

The other article, which was "technically" supposed to be about the community was the article titled La Pointe (community), Wisconsin. This article seemed more technical in nature. So I thought it would be more fitting to have a better fitting title, which would more accurately represent what the article was mostly about, which is the reason why I moved the article. I understand I made a mistake by using the wrong term - "township", but I appreciate RFD correcting it to the term "town". And appropriately, it is now located at La Pointe (town), Wisconsin, as it should be.

This is the only thing I was attempting to do. I never merged anything without permission; I was only trying to make a clarification by moving the one article. I believe both articles are better now. I would never make such a change if I didn't feel it was necessary. And clearly, what I did serves a good purpose.

I apologize for not discussing this, before I made the change. In the past, many editors (including myself) have moved many articles without discussing it first. And most of the time, nobody makes an issue of the matter. But maybe I shouldn't have assumed that would be the case here, and so from now on, I will discuss the topic before I ever move an article. I had taken all the other necessary steps, including the checking of other articles with links that may be affected by the move.

I don't feel my decision to move the article was a mistake, and I believe this is clearly a positive change. And although I regret not discussing it beforehand (like RFD is upset about), I just want to say that I only have good intentions. I genuinely care about Wikipedia, which is why I spend a considerable amount of time trying to improve things here. And although there sometimes may be a little friction between members, I'm only trying to improve this site to make it better, which is what I feel I did to the article(s) in question here.

I appreciate everything RFD does, and I think they're a good editor. And again, please accept my apologies for not discussing the matter on the talk page. But I firmly believe the article(s) are better now. Thank you, and please discuss any further concerns with me. Billertl (talk) 20:53, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Genoa, Nevada

Hi, i came across the Genoa, Nevada article which had a big NRHP infobox for the Genoa Historic District (which redirects there), but no populated place infobox. I revised the article to improve placement and coverage of the HD, am not sure if it should possibly be split out. But, I do think a populated place infobox would help. Could you take a look? P.S. I am wondering about addressing all the HD articles in the state, was just beginning to browse and was not happy with the state of this one. --doncram 20:28, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

I added an infobox to the article. I don't see any need to split the historic district, since pretty much everything in the nomination form refers to the history of the community, and the nominators even called the listing "Town of Genoa" before it was changed. Splitting it out would just duplicate everything that's already in the history section of the Genoa article. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 22:36, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Raymond, Wisconsin & La Pointe

Hi-I started an article about Raymond (community), Wisconsin. OrangeMike started an article about the ghost town of Raymond Center, Wisconsin.Both could be the same place since the GNIS for the unincorporated community of Raymond also lists the alternate name of Raymond Center. Both communities could be the same place. I will let OrangeMike know. Also we reached consensus about La Pointe but Billertl had a concern about the dab. Thanks again-RFD (talk) 11:12, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

They could be the same place, though considering Raymond is still on the Racine County highway map and looks pretty populated in satellite images, I doubt it's a ghost town. I'll wait to hear what OrangeMike says about Raymond Center, though. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:31, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

As of 1916, the old Raymond Center was pretty much depopulated, though the names remained the Congregational Church (now Raymond Community Church, United Church of Christ) and a schoolhouse. This area is increasingly a suburb of Milwaukee, and I don't know to what extent there is a cultural continuity between the old and new Raymond (Center)s. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:03, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I see. In that case, they should probably stay as separate articles for now. I've added an infobox to Raymond. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 05:23, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks for your imput!-RFD (talk) 10:47, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Muhlenberg County places

Thanks for taking the time to create articles on the NRHP listings in Muhlenberg County, Kentucky, which is my "neck of the woods". With the articles created, I might finally be motivated to go on a picture-taking expedition some lazy Saturday. Most of those places are 10 minutes or less from my house! Acdixon ^{(talk · contribs)} 14:30, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) All I Have to see the Rice Tabacco Factory, I hear its a cool placeCoal town guy (talk) 14:41, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Actually, it's in pretty sad shape, or it seems so from the outside. Probably was a cool place at one time, but it's very run down now. Not even sure anyone is allowed inside. I'll try to remember to prioritize that pic. Acdixon ^{(talk · contribs)} 15:09, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

My friend, if you look at Vivian WV and Jenkinjones WV and their respective NHRP, and can you can tell me with utmost honesty its worse than those, I will BUY you a beerCoal town guy (talk) 15:27, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Not sure how it will stack up against those worthies, but I'm a teetotaller, so the beer offer doesn't really provide any additional motivation. ;) Acdixon ^{(talk · contribs)} 15:43, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the picture to South Cherry Street Historic District. This is where having someone from the area really helps, because I probably wouldn't have known that was a picture of Thistle Cottage otherwise. Good luck if you decide to get the pictures; it would be great to have some more pictures for those sites. Considering that Muhlenberg County had no NRHP articles and one picture as of a week ago, adding all the articles and most of the pictures would be pretty impressive, even for a small county. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:23, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't have known it by the name Thistle Cottage, either, but I cross-matched the addresses, and they were the same. That house is very nice on the inside. It's a museum now. Acdixon ^{(talk · contribs)} 21:14, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Better late than never, right? Since there was a baby shower going on at my house Saturday, I decided to escape and do some picture taking. I have photos of Greenville City Hall, Rice Tobacco Factory, the George Short House, and some additional contributing buildings from the South Cherry Street Historic District. I'll upload them as soon as I can, but my laptop is in for repair right now, so I can't edit the images yet. There was a street fair on Main Street Saturday, so I wasn't able to take pictures for the Greenville Commercial Historic District or the North Main Street Historic District, but those will be easy enough to get some Saturday when I take my little girl to the library. I also didn't have time to get out of Greenville, so I didn't get to Central City to photograph the Robert Thomas House or to the Baker Site (and I'm honestly not sure exactly where that is to begin with!) I'm also sad to report that Old Muhlenberg County Jail and the Martin House have been demolished. The former was to make room for the Muhlenberg County Detention Center, which opened in 2001, so it's probably been gone for a while. The latter was destroyed recently (probably this year) since the last I heard, they were thinking about turning it into a new space for the library. It was last owned by the Felix E. Martin, Jr. Foundation. I wish I could provide reliable sources with details of those demolitions, but I can't, at present. I can confirm, though, that they are no longer extant. We can probably justify fair use on the NRHP nomination photos if you want to add them to the respective articles. Acdixon ^{(talk · contribs)} 14:25, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for getting the pictures! As for the two demolished buildings, I know other NRHP photographers have documented demolished sites by taking a picture of the address, even if the building's not there. That also gives us a picture to add to the county list, since I think the rules for fair use only let us use the picture in the article. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 15:22, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Looking forward to seeing them.Coal town guy (talk) 16:33, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Good news! Not only is my laptop back in action, but I also got some time to do a bit more picture taking this weekend. All NRHP listings in Muhlenberg County that are not demolished now have images, except Greenville City Hall (which image I seem to have misplaced, but I know I have it) and the Baker Site (because I don't know where it is). I've added them all to the relevant articles (including a gallery in the South Cherry Street District article) and the list article. Speaking of South Cherry Street, I also discovered that the "Colored Baptist Church" (later known as First Baptist Church, even though there is another First Baptist Church in Greenville) has also been demolished. It was a contributing building in that district. Enjoy the photos, and I'll look up that city hall photo. I know I took it; it's bound to still be on my memory card. Acdixon ^{(talk · contribs)} 14:43, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

The pictures look great! It's a shame some of those properties aren't better maintained, though. You were right about the tobacco factory, and the Robert Thomas House could really use a new coat of paint. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 17:44, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, when she found out what I was doing, my mom commented about how sad it is that they couldn't turn the tobacco factory into a museum or something, but that stuff costs money. I hadn't seen the Robert Thomas house before, but I was pretty disappointed in its condition as well. The Greenville Historic Districts look nice, but the city has only recently gotten some grants to make them that way. Probably as a result, Greenville placed 6th in BudgetTravel.com's 2013 Coolest Small Towns in America contest. About 5 years ago, though, those storefronts were all in pretty sad shape. Glad you and CTG enjoyed the photos. Stuff like that is part of what puts the fun in Wikipedia. Acdixon ^{(talk · contribs)} 18:21, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm glad they at least got the money to fix up the historic districts. Unfortunately, all those old buildings can be hard to maintain, especially if they're privately owned by someone who doesn't really care about them. I was taking some pictures in Pasadena, California the other day, which is a city with plenty of money and a very active historic preservation movement, and even it has buildings like the Evanston Inn that are falling apart. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:40, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Good news! I found a picture of the Old Muhlenberg County Jail in a history book published in 1913. I added it to the relevant articles. Was hoping to also find one of the Martin House in there, but no luck. I should soon be able to get my hands on another local history book, though. It won't be public domain, but maybe I can find a picture whose author will release it. Acdixon ^{(talk · contribs)} 17:06, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Mills, Utah

Hi-I worked on Mills, Utah. The editor said it is a ghost town; however GNIS-1430350 was used and it was classified a populated place. Please take a look at the article. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 13:09, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

also Hatfield, Wisconsin needs info box-thanks-RFD (talk) 13:38, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Mills appears to still be populated, at least according to this article. I'll update it accordingly. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 19:11, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Madison County KY

Hey there, I have now created all of the communities that have a NRHP in them for Madison County KY. HOWEVER, I checked out the other locations within Madison that were already created and that have a NRHP. The "articles" were 2 to 3 sentences, no refs, no maps, and at times just run ons. This is of course just a heads up, BUT wouldnt it be swell if this was the case for alot of KY counties??Coal town guy (talk) 17:17, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, some of the places in Kentucky (and probably a few other states, like VA) are missing infoboxes and the like. I suspect a lot of them were either written a while ago and haven't been noticed or were written by new editors who weren't familiar with the references and such. I'm not sure if there are any counties that have more of these than others; they're probably scattered about to a certain extent.

Madison County itself has a few oddities, though. College Hill, Kentucky was redirected to the main county page for some reason, and Round Hill, Kentucky got merged with one of the local NRHP listings, which is problematic since the community has three of them. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:51, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Created College Hill, Kentucky. They had their own PO, why the redirect was there, I have NO ideaCoal town guy (talk) 14:42, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

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New Rome

Hi-New Rome, Georgia, New Rome, Minnesota. Sibley County, Minnesota needs a geo-stub. New Rome, Minnesota is the first unincorporated community started for Sibley County. Thanks-RFD (talk) 11:46, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I took care of New Rome, MN, and the stub template, but it looks like New Rome, GA, is actually within the city limits of Rome. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:41, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I redirect the New Rome, Georgia article to Rome, Georgia. I change the Floyd County templete also. I hope I got this done correctly. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 20:49, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

It looks fine to me. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:51, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

My first NRHP and a funny story

THIS is my first NRHP I know you can tell me what is bad about it, BUT I will of course get practice. The specific place is in Bybee, Kentucky. The reason I mention this is, somebody made tghe NRHP a redirect, to Bybee. Thats right, IF you clicked the link to the pottery factory in ther NRHP listing at the Madison County NRHP listing, you would be redirected back to the Bybee, Kentucky page. Well, that was wrong, so I blanked it until I could write the NRHP. Until then, I had another editor UNDO my blanking, because, thats what it should be....UH NO. IF Bybee, was the NRHP thats fine, its NOT. Its the pottery factory in Bybee. SO, long story short, feel free to let me know how to improve. In particular, how does one change the raw link ref to a nice formal one you see in other NRHP listings.Coal town guy (talk) 00:50, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm noticing that a lot of the article uses the same exact wording as the nomination does and isn't quoted. You should really rewrite those sentences, since as they are they're a copyright problem. I'll comment on the rest of the article after you fix that. By the way, you can get a nice-looking reference for the nomination form by using Template:Cite web. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 01:30, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

OOOPS, that was my error for sure, I have redone the working and given quotes to exact verbage. I will get the cite web edit done by tomorrow. Thanks for the input.Let ,e knmow where else to improve, I want to avoid many of the issues mentioned on the NRHP project pageCoal town guy (talk) 01:42, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Ah, the article looks much better now. I see that Nyttend helped work on it - his advice seems pretty good to me. The only thing I would add to that is that there's also a set of photos which accompanies most nomination forms, including this one. There's a link to it from the infobox generator and NPS Focus, and you can also find it by replacing "Text" with "Photos" in the URL of the nomination form. You should add that to the article, either as an external link or as part of the nomination form reference, so readers can see what the place looks like (especially if there isn't a picture on Wikipedia yet). TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 02:37, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I chose a fun one, looks like there is talk at the NRHP TP, looks like it is going to be merged with the Bybee Pottery Company. I think I like this, ALOTCoal town guy (talk) 03:05, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it looks like it's the same place as Bybee Pottery. It's funny, I saw the Bybee Pottery article the other day when I was reading the Madison County article, but it wasn't mentioned in Bybee, Kentucky, where Cornelison Pottery redirected. Glad you like writing NRHP articles. All these places are pretty fun to learn about, even though a lot of them are pretty obscure. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 03:34, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I Love obscure things, its a factCoal town guy (talk) 14:11, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

NRHP pics

Hey, I know you had mentioned using pics in the sense of a link. I assume this is because the pic in the form is copyright? If not, there are some rare ppaces for pics to getCoal town guy (talk) 03:57, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, the pictures in the form are copyrighted. Fair use would probably apply for demolished places, but otherwise we can't use them. Though I doubt the photographers would really mind if we used the pictures, especially when they were taken over 30 years ago; I really hate US copyright law sometimes. (They're also part of a PDF, and turning them into usable images would probably require some skill with image editing software or result in poor quality images.) TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 04:32, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

There are a few company stores in McDowell County that were wppd and burned to the ground. In your opinion, where would I go to find out if they could be used under fair use? I will also ask at the NRHP discussion page. Some of these places are really that rare, albeit, gone.Coal town guy (talk) 12:29, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hey, CTG. I'd drop a line at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions about the fair use thing on demolished buildings. I find the regulars there very helpful and friendly, even though I'm sure they have to answer the same crap over and over again. TheCatalyst31 is right; copyright law is a major pain in the rear, and is often quite arcane, but on the surface, I'm thinking you should have a good case for fair use in these limited circumstances. Let me know if you need some help grabbing those pics out of the PDFs. Acdixon ^{(talk · contribs)} 14:00, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Assumption

Hi-Assumption, Minnesota, Assumption, Nebraska-the remaining communities named: Assumption in the United States-thanks-RFD (talk) 11:17, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Also Gotha, Minnesota thanks-RFD (talk) 16:28, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

All three are done, plus I found pictures for the two Minnesota communities. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 23:02, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks for adding the photos-RFD (talk) 23:22, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Cream Can Junction Idaho

Yes, its Cream Can Junction. I believe I can get another link or 2 on the businesses there which (SURPRISE) are dairy oriented......I thought the name had a cool ring to itCoal town guy (talk) 01:36, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Interesting name. Idaho also has Beer Bottle Crossing; I wonder if some group of Idaho settlers just named places "food or drink container + geographical feature". TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 03:25, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

If they did, God Bless them!Coal town guy (talk) 21:52, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Fairvilla, Florida

Hi-Is Fairvilla, Florida part of Orlando, Florida or an unincorporated community? It is confusing. GNIS-282342. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 19:19, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

This is a confusing one, especially since the answer appears to be both. Part of that area, including where the coordinates are, is still unincorporated, but the unincorporated bits are split up by parts of Orlando, which apparently has jurisdiction over US 441 but none of the surrounding businesses. The part of Orlando south of the coordinates was apparently once Fairvilla too, since the community's only "landmark" is there. (I put "landmark" in quotes since it's a large adult store that is nonetheless the only place of note I could find in the area.) Apparently the area also has an urban legend about gorilla sightings. It probably deserves an article at any rate, both because it's still partly unincorporated and because it's a fairly interesting neighborhood. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 22:34, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Fairvilla, Florida

Hi-I started the Fairvilla, Florida article-needs info box-thanks-RFD (talk) 12:50, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Wisconsin

Hi-Winnebago Heights, Wisconsin, Winnebago Park, Wisconsin, Black Wolf (community), Wisconsin-thanks=RFD (talk) 18:13, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

I also came across the GNIS: 1568337 for Little Norway, Wisconsin as a historical outdoor museum. However, the GNIS lists Little orway, Wisconsin as a populated palce-thank you-RFD (talk) 20:23, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure why the GNIS lists it as a populated place, because that's definitely the same place as the museum. It used to be a populated place, but it hasn't been since the 1920s, and it was named Little Norway after that. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 23:26, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Kansas

Hi-Black Wolf, Kansas, Carneiro, Kansas, Gordon, Kansas-thanks-RFD (talk) 00:09, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

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Blue Bucket Cow Camp Oregon

Yes, its Blue Bucket Cow Camp I like thatCoal town guy (talk) 01:44, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Apparently those settlers in Idaho decided to visit Oregon. I'll have to check the GNIS for more of these places. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 03:58, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I have a sort of unusual idea. If one were to use kitchen implements woth no state or county value declared in the GNIS query, its bound to turn up some cool place names.........Spoon, fork, and knife are bound to have endless returns. On a lark, I did indeed use cow camp under the same parms, there are ~345 cow camps, none have incredible cool names after the few I have captured.......BUT consider having a place named egg beater, or margarine etc etc etc. As an aside, Fruitfly camp, was not a good one, it was a neweer place possibly on the level of He Flys Coal town guy (talk) 14:02, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I tried that with a few containers. It turned up Bottle Hollow, Tennessee and Brown Jug Corner, Indiana, the latter of which has had an article for a while. There are a lot of Forks in the GNIS because of places named for a fork in the road, but not so many places with Spoon or Knife in the name (unless you count all the Spoonervilles). TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:00, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

NRHP, oldy, but I think a goody

Hey there- I have a question about the Wildwood home in Beckley WV. In fromt of the actual property, is a state sign saying that the bricks in the sidewalk leading up to the Wildwood property are from the original streets in Beckley. Would that be a good enough ref to state that in the article about the actual property?? YES, I have a pic. Also, I do not doubt the veracity of the claim, as one of my distant relatives laid the bricks and knew the family that hauled them to the property.Coal town guy (talk) 13:09, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, the state sign should be a reliable source. Since the sign was presumably added by the state preservation agency (and it usually says so on the sign somewhere), which is itself a reliable source, the sign should be considered reliable. (Though unfortunately, I doubt there's a "Cite historical marker" template.) TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 23:48, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Moves of Denville, East Hanover and Randolph to include "Township"

Articles for Denville, New Jersey, East Hanover, New Jersey and Randolph, New Jersey were moved based on the argument that they should be named "in line with other New Jersey township articles". The problem is that there is no consistent pattern of naming, so we have many municipality articles with the word "Township" included and many where it's not (Montville, New Jersey, Little Falls, New Jersey, Wayne, New Jersey, West Milford, New Jersey, Cherry Hill, New Jersey, Lyndhurst, New Jersey, Mahwah, New Jersey, River Vale, New Jersey, Rochelle Park, New Jersey, Saddle Brook, New Jersey, South Hackensack, New Jersey, Teaneck, New Jersey and Wyckoff, New Jersey, to name but a few) which are located across the state. There are broad issues regarding these names and the choice to omit "Township" from the titles for Denville, East Hanover and Randolph is based on longstanding consensus in which WP:COMMONNAME takes precedence over the actual form of government or official name of the municipality. I will move these names back and encourage you to reach out to WP:NJ to discuss any proposals for renaming these or other articles. My sincere appreciation for your efforts to create articles for New Jersey communities and to clean up infoboxes, and I hope that you will spend more time in the Garden State applying some of the cleanup efforts you have so ably performed across the United States. Alansohn (talk) 16:36, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

notable people in Clinton ill

why do you keep taking Beau Johnson down on the Clinton ILL page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobomchooah (talk • contribs) 00:16, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Nacogdoches (disambiguation)

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Found a good one

Wild Kitchen, Kentucky, cool huh?Coal town guy (talk) 03:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Liberty Grove

Hi-Is Liberty Grove, Illinois part of Plainfield, Illinois or an unincorporated community. Also is Liberty Grove, Dallas County, Texas an unincorporated community or part of Dallas, Texas or some city. With the help of GNIS I added some redlinks to the Liberty Grove disambig page. Many thanks for adding info boxes to Louisiana communities. A new editor staarted them and I suggested to the editor to look at GNIS-citations. Hopefully that will be helpful. I hope to turn the redlinks into articles Of GNIS-there will be some maintenance on GNIS on August 1. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 13:57, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Liberty Grove, Alabama, Liberty Grove, Maryland, and Liberty Grove, Tennessee are done. Liberty Grove, Illinois, Liberty Grove, Dallas County, Texas, Liberty Grove, Delta County, Texas needs to be done depending if they are unincorporated or part of a city. Many thanks=RFD (talk) 18:36, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

The Liberty Grove in Illinois is part of Plainfield, and is part of a series of GNIS entries imported from a street guide that appears to include a lot of recent housing developments and the like, which I wouldn't consider worthy of articles without some other compelling rationale. The Liberty Grove in Dallas County is unincorporated, though it's in a small area of unincorporated land right on the border of Rowlett, Texas. While I wouldn't be surprised if it gets annexed, it's still a community for now. The Liberty Grove in Delta County is actually a ghost town, according to the Handbook of Texas. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 22:17, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Whats going on at Wikiproject United states??

REMOVING low priority articles???? Who died and left these people God??Coal town guy (talk) 14:38, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

It looks like one person with a poorly conceived idea more than a serious proposal right now, so I doubt anything will come of it. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:52, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Liberty Grove, Texas

Hi-I started the Liberty Grove, Dallas County, Texas and Liberty Grove, Delta County, Texas articles. I added the citation about the Liberty Grove ghost town to the Liberty Grove, Delta County, Texas article and kept it as an unincorporated community. It can always be changed. Thank you-RFD (talk) 18:51, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Wahl

Hi-Wahl, Alabama, Wahl, Washington-the only communities in the United States named Wahl. Thanks-RFD (talk) 11:43, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

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Would you mind helping on PA related category structure?

I have started a discussion here, regarding category structure for the project. Though since you posted on my talk page, I was wondering if you wanted to lend a hand with the project, perhaps by creating subcategories for the various entries in Category:Unincorporated communities in Pennsylvania? No pressure and we can also wait until we see what others say about it. I also wanted to throw out there, it seemed odd to see only 27 subcats (currently one empty), and nearly 250 entries not under any subcats (now 272). That is why I was a bit impulsive by consolidating all entries into the parent category, also seeing only 9 states out of 50 in Category:Unincorporated communities in the United States by county. Thanks for your help and creating all these great pages of some places I never heard of!! Tinton5 (talk) 20:30, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Unincorporated communities in Wisconsin categories

Hi-I notice the discussion at the WikiProject Pennsylvania talk page about Pennsylvania unincorporated communities categories. In the WikiProject Wisconsin there are 2 categories for unincorporated communities in Dunn and Eau Claire Counties. There are also articles about the Dunn and Eau Claire Counties unincorporated communities. I have not thought too much about the categories and I have made use of them. On the other hand I do not want to make more Wisconsin Counties unincorporated communities categories-too tedious and Wikipedia has too many categories as it is. If the Dunn and Eau Claire Counties unincorporated communities are mergered with thw parent category then fine or stayed as is again fine but there should not be more categories started. Wikipedia has too many categories as it is. Thanks-RFD (talk) 13:01, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

I strongly concur. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:16, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree that there's no need to split the Wisconsin unincorporated communities any further. There aren't nearly enough communities in Wisconsin to justify it, especially since nearly all of its communities have articles at this point. I'm neutral on the issue of Dunn and Eau Claire Counties. By the way, my watchlist tells me that someone is splitting Iowa's unincorporated communities into county categories, even though Iowa only has about twice as many articled communities as it does counties in the first place. You might want to look into that. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 23:18, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

I let the editor know about my concerns about the Iowa unincorporated communities categories by counties. I am not sure if that will help or not. Wikipedia has too many categories and I am not how this can be corrected. Thanks-RFD (talk) 23:45, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Aside from WP:CfD, I'm not sure if there's an especially good way of trimming down categories. I don't do too much in the way of categorization; while I find a lot of the smaller ones useful, I also think over-splitting categories can be a problem, especially considering the mentality that articles can't be in both a parent category and a subcategory. You either end up with less than useful parent categories or, in a worst-case scenario, stuff like the American women novelists fiasco. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 23:53, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Categories are useful if used for a specific purpose. I had to create categories for members of the United States territorial legislatures. The United States territorial and state legislatures are different and served a specific political entity and purpose. For example-serving in the Hawaii Territorial Senate was not the same as serving in the Hawaii State Senate-both were different in purpose and the political entity they were serving. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 01:19, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Monkeys Eyebrow OR Monkey's Eyebrow

WHY did User:Anthony Appleyard move Monkeys Eyebrow Kentucky to the page Monkey's Eyebrow Kentucky?? I stated on the talk page NOT to do so withgout some discussion. So, they moved it anyway. The locality sign, does NOT have an apostrophe, the map does not have an apostrophe, the GNIS does not have an apostrophe, locals, do not use an apostrophe, but when did we as a community veto local custome for an encyclopedia??Coal town guy (talk) 15:58, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

It appears to have been moved back for now, I assume he didn't realize you opposed the move. Incidentally, the GNIS (and any sources using USGS data, including certain maps) don't have apostrophes for all but a handful of places; see question 18 here. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:40, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I understand and I appreciate the reply. I took umbrage at the idea of ""making" a place name correct. These places were made from sheer character and difficult circumstance. Others, yes, from sheer frustration and attention getting in the middle of nowhere. The trend to "correct" the name is precisely what is NOT needed or worse, accurate. There are also MANY places which are NOT correct in any manner, but are still named. How about Wewanta, West Virginia? Of course, to make the grammar folks happy, perhaps it should be We would like a post office, as opposed to Wewanta post office which is precisely why the town is so named. Lets keep the character of these places.Coal town guy (talk) 20:52, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Sagamore

HiSagamore, Armstrong County, Pennsylvania, Sagamore, Fayette County, Pennsylvania-thanks-RFD (talk) 23:50, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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Jenkinjones and the NRHP

Hey, just a FYI, the Anawalt Elementary school disappeared via the dozer this past week. Its just over a mile from the stores at Jenkinjones, West Virginia.....The building was in far superior condition to the stores at JenkinjonesCoal town guy (talk) 16:56, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

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Wisconsin and NRHP

All counties in Wisconsin now point to their county specific NRHP list.Coal town guy (talk) 16:33, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

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Arizona/Wisconsin

Hi-White Clay, Arizona=info box. A photo in the Arkansaw, Wisconsin needs to br adjusted. Info box? Thanks-RFD (talk) 22:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker), I tried Arkansaw, Wisconsin. Obviously a bot more data for the CDP will be needed as far as land area in info box, BUT I think it is far betterCoal town guy (talk) 00:16, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I added the population and area to the infobox for Arkansaw, so that one should be good. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 01:14, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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Louisiana/North Dakota-

Hi-Bayou Sorrel, Louisiana=info box. Thanks-

I was working on an article about Alyce Spotted Bear who was tribal chairwoman of the Mandan, Hidath, and Arkara Nation, North Dakota and an educator. Spotted Bear was born in Elbowoods, North Dakota in McLean County, North Dakota. That community and some other communities were on the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation but were submerged when Garrison Dam was created. I don't know if you want to do articles about Elbowoods and the other communities. According to my research Alyce Spotted Bear sought compensation from the federal government for the submerged communities while tribal chairwoman of the nation. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 14:06, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

It's an interesting story, and it seems like the government really lied to the tribes to get them to evacuate (a common theme in American history). I can try to start articles on Elbowoods and the other communities, but most of them aren't in the GNIS so it's going to be hard to find their coordinates. Van Hook already has an article, and Sanish was moved to a new site, so that one's in the GNIS (and I should be able to start an article on it). TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:52, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Case Study House No. 20

Hi Catalyst ... I've been adding geocode coords to the listings in California that you've recently added to the county/city NRHP lists. You included a note about Case Study House No. 20 in the Los Angeles list suggesting that the address in the 8/2/2013 NPS listing announcement was in error. However, I've skimmed through the documentation for that particular listing and that for the Case Study Program Multiple Property Submission that you cite with your note and there actually appear to be two Case Study House No. 20's. One is at 2275 N. Santa Rosa Ave. in Altadena (as per the 8/2/2013 NPS listing announcement) and the other at 219 Chautauqua Blvd., Pacific Palisades (which is what you entered in the Los Angeles list). Perhaps the one at 219 Chautauqua Blvd. hasn't been officially listed on the NRHP yet ... or at least it hasn't yet been announced. It seems to me that we should change the entry in the Los Angeles list to reflect the 8/2/2013 NPS announcement. What do you think?

Incidentally, according to the MPS documentation, there are other numbering anomalies that may have resulted in more than one building with the same Case Study House number (see Continuation Sheet E-15, "A note on chronology"). --sanfranman59 (talk) 21:38, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt reply and for your work keeping the NRHP lists up-to-date. I had been doing a lot of that for quite a while and decided to take a break from it when things started getting more complicated and time-consuming with the various counting tasks that were added with the WP:NRHPPROGRESS tables. At any rate, I didn't pick up on the bolded properties on pg. 34 of the MPS nomination form. Given that there's a nomination form on-line for the house in Altadena, it seems that the MPS nomination form is probably in error. I concur with you that the listing should be moved to the LA County list. I'll go ahead and do that. --sanfranman59 (talk) 22:53, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Happy to pitch in. The "editorial disputes" were another reason I chose to take a break. I wonder how many master's theses and doctoral dissertations there have been about the sociology and social psychology of Wikipedia? It's certainly an area that's ripe for study!

Incidentally, I've got a method for re-numbering long lists that's much easier and less error-prone than going through the tables one entry at a time and changing the row numbers. It involves copying the data to Excel, manipulating it there and then pasting it back into Wikipedia. I'm happy to pass it along if you're interested. It's probably a little convoluted for a newcomer, but once you get the hang of it, you can renumber a table of almost any length in about 20 or 30 seconds.

And as for geocode coords, you should generally be able to get them from Google Maps as long as it recognizes the address that you enter. Just right-click on the marker that it places on the map and select "What's here". This returns the decimal coords in the search bar. Then you just need to copy and paste them into the Wikipedia table. --sanfranman59 (talk) 23:23, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Case in point ... it just took me about 5 minutes to move the listing from the LA City table to the LA County table and about a half-hour or so just to reconcile all the numbers in the WP:NRHPPROGRESS tables. Is there some way to reconcile the totals within each state table without either getting a calculator out or copying the tables to Excel and calculating sums for each column? I never really understood how all this was supposed to work (which is one of the reasons that I stopped updating the tables back in April). I was beginning to feel more like an accountant than someone who was trying to keep the list articles as up-to-date as possible. I like the concept of the "progress" tables. But if they're going to be useful, they need to be accurate. And if they're going to be accurate, the process for keeping them updated has to be relatively straight-forward or, even better, completely automated so they reflect the current list articles. --sanfranman59 (talk) 00:38, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

From the peanut gallery. Yes the directions about the progress table have been wasteful in terms of requiring editors to waste time with stupidities, when an automated process is gonna overrule their calculations anyhow. I think editor Smallbones and others have been trying to respect Dudemanfellabra's wishes, even when those are unreasonable and are causing difficulty. I don't terribly want to go against D's wishes, either, but it is a F waste of time to do calculations that will be ignored in the next automated update. --doncram 01:34, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

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NRHP and Jenkinjones WV

NRHP Updates for Jenkinjones Thought you might like to see what I addedCoal town guy (talk) 02:33, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

It looks good! Thanks for expanding it. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 04:58, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Bet it could be a start, ha ha ha Coal town guy (talk) 12:22, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Need some HELP

Looky here We have a user who assumes the Post Office is a community, he has no refs, the data he did use was for the city including the GNIS data. I proposed a merge, and I am asking id we can get it locked because, its a factual absurdity. The editor states, that refs are not needed, because it can be verified? HOW?Coal town guy (talk) 20:39, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

This looks like a content dispute, and it's been going on for a few weeks now; using admin powers to settle a content dispute, especially one that you have an opinion on, is bad enough to get you desysopped, so I'm not going to step in here. The other editor seems to be proposing that this is a similar situation to Beverly Hills Post Office, but it doesn't look to me like Wayzata's postal area is quite as notable; this probably doesn't deserve more than a mention in the Wayzata article. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:05, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Understood, I think it should be merged, I had no idea, it was a "dispute" until now. I am seriously thinking of backing away myself.Coal town guy (talk) 21:10, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

OOOOOOO Fayette County WV!!

Cool to know the New River Bridge is now a NRHP....Coal town guy (talk) 20:50, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

I was surprised that the bridge wasn't already listed, given how well-known it is, until I remembered that it was built in the 1970s. It's actually being listed a decade early, but that bridge deserves to be listed early. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:04, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Have to agree, I walked it and saw it being "commissioned". It was a big deal and in the mornings, it is an incredible sightCoal town guy (talk) 21:11, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Curry, Alabama

Hi-I was working on the Curry, Alabama article-Walker County-GNIS-159474. There are 2 more Curry, Alabama-Pike County-156243 and Talladega County-159473. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 21:22, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Sylvan (community), Wisconsin

Hi-one of the editors changed the wording of Sylvan (community), Wisconsin to Sylvan Wisconsin (community). I don't think that is the correct format. You may want to look at it and changed it back. Thanks-RFD (talk) 16:49, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

I reverted the change and left a note for the editor. It was pretty easy and thought it would be complicated needing an administrator. Thanks-RFD (talk) 17:55, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

You were correct, Sylvan (community), Wisconsin is the correct format; if anyone challenges that in the future, WP:USPLACE is the relevant naming convention. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:25, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

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Hi-Goose Island, Georgia one of 2 communities in the US named Goose Island-the other one being Goose Island, New York-thanks-RFD (talk) 12:31, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

MORBID curiosity

Do you happen to know if Zu Zu Tennessee is the only community with that name? I am not certainCoal town guy (talk) 12:48, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

According to the GNIS, it's the only one, not to mention the only geographic feature of any kind with that name, apparently. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:33, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I think that is correct. I have found a GREAT new way of finding unusual tow names in the US. A few weeks ago, I was given an unabridged websters modern english dictionary at just over 2,000 pages. I have started once a month to randomly select nouns and see what I get. I was most impressed when I found, Old Glory, a nickname for the flag of course. GNIS does indeed list an Old Glory in Arizona, sadly, it was a stage stop, BUT, it had a post office, WHAT do you think as far as a "unincorporated community"?? I mean they did have a post office.Coal town guy (talk) 22:34, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I'm dismayed by this enthusiasm for finding every conceivable dot on the map and writing an article about it as an "unincorporated community". States like Tennessee, Kentucky, and West Virginia are full of rural places that are very real communities but lack legal existence (many of them aren't even CDPs) and deserve to be documented as unincorporated communities. It muddies the water when placenames that existed historically but haven't been recognized in years (I think ZuZu might be one such), trailer parks, and small suburban residential subdivisions (such as King Arthur Court, Tennessee) -- all of which can show up in GNIS as "populated places" -- are indiscriminately described as "unincorporated communities". (IMO, historical places deserve to be documented in the encyclopedia because they have a history, but they should be described as what they really are. See Wheat, Tennessee, Fraterville, Tennessee, Loyston, Tennessee, and Fork Mountain, Tennessee for examples. As for trailer parks, very few trailer parks are notable topics. Neither is King Arthur Court for that matter -- I got that article deleted once, but it wouldn't stay dead; it got recreated.) --Orlady (talk) 00:11, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree with you Orlady, I am unaware of Zu Zu being a trailer park. I do however check the GNIS details for the communities I create. If they are a community for housing, its more of a real estate advert than a community, AND I do not create article for those. However, when I was younger, I did indeed travel extensively in WV, TN, KY and VA and PA. There are communities that are small, oddly named and populated by very cool people. I am dismayed by the desire in this country, (yes, lived overseas a well) to destroy any entity that has a name that reflects its true origin. How about an example? There is a community named Ashburn nearby. Its named Ashburn Village, it is populated by people who are convinced they live in an upper class area whose children attend the best private prep schools and of course, they drive expensive cars and brag, that they live in Ashburn Village......Ashburn, was never ever a village. Ashburn was named by a farmer who observed a tree being struck by lightning and it burned longer than the other trees. My goodness, how incredibly upper class that is. OR how about all of the unique places, being replaced by the milk toast names such as Manor, or Court or Lane? MY home town is now a lane. Thats right, a lane. They call it a Lane because EVERYONE knows, NOBODY would want to know about a coal town. NOBODY wants to know about every little dot on the map, right? NOBODY wants to know, I helped with the birth of their kids, I buried their old, I rang their church bell, NOBODY will ever know BECAUSE its just a little dot on the map, that is not well documented, that got bulldozed, by people, who just dont like those little dots on the map, AND yes, that included the cemetery...graves and all, bodies in ground, gotta get rid of that ugly coal town.....and ALL OF THOSE LITTLE DOTS ON THE ROADCoal town guy (talk) 00:29, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

The issue of "community vs. spot on the map that isn't a community" actually came up in a recent AfD, which got closed as "no consensus", and while I don't like deleting most of these places, I admit that I've become more discerning about whether I create them myself. Back when I first started writing community articles in early 2009, I wrote articles about every populated place, save certain exceptions like trailer parks and neighborhoods, that was listed in the GNIS for a bunch of counties; this was partially inspired by similar efforts by other editors for California and Virginia. Nowadays, though, I mainly focus on the more clearly notable communities: places that have (or recently had) post offices, CDPs, places with historic sites, and anything else where I can either find references or see a clear reason why people are going to look up the place. I've never quite been sure about what to do with places in the GNIS that are listed as populated but don't look populated from pictures and satellite imagery. On the one hand, they probably were once populated, but on the other, unless someone can explain the place's history there's not always a good reason to start the article. I want to have a record of every actual community, including the really small ones, but I don't really want to catch places that aren't actually communities in that if I can help it, and it can be hard to tell the difference if there aren't references online.

As for the specific case of Old Glory, I actually found a few references that say it's a ghost town but it once had fifty residents and some businesses, so it should probably have an article. Though in general, unless you can find references from somewhere else, it might not be the best idea to start articles on things the GNIS lists as locales (such as cow camps and the like), since they're usually not actual communities. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 01:21, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Winn Parish, Louisiana

Hi-One of the editors deleted the Jordan Hill, Joyce, Saint Maurice, and Tannehill, Louisiana articles in Winn Parish, Louisiana because they were started by an editor who is a sockpuppet. I worked on some of the articles so it is very discouraging to see the articles deleted because an editor was banned and came back as a sock puppet. Thanks-RFD (talk) 16:00, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I left a note with the admin who deleted those articles; there were actually a lot more than those four. Unless there's some serious issue I don't know about, I plan to undelete most of them later. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:53, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks for restoring the articles.RFD (talk) 00:08, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Deleting an article

Take a look here. No ref, not on a map, I plsaced del tag on it. Same editor, removes the tag, I requested a discussion on the talk page of the "article"Coal town guy (talk) 15:53, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Just so you know, if you add a proposed deletion tag to an article, any editor can remove it for any reason. If that happens, you should then take the article to AfD, where the discussion can take place. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:37, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Loreta, Wisconsin

Hi-I have an anon editor that changed the spelling of Loreta, Wisconsin from Loreta to Loreto, Wisconsin on the map and infobox. I changed it back because of the GNIS lists the spelling as Loreta, Wisconsin. The GNIS citation lists the GNIS board decision about the name. The anon editor had listed several references that the correct spelling in Loreto, Wisconsin. I told the anon editor to please contact the GNIS people to see if they can correct it. The other changes the anon editor made in the article I left as is. I don't want to get into an edit war. And I do wish anon editors would sign up for an account. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 21:49, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Poston Butte

Hi-Poston Butte in Arizona. Very interesting. I added GNIS to it. Thanks-RFD (talk) 19:59, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

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Itmann, West Virginia

Hey- I managed to update the image for the Itmann WV Company Store see here. I think the image i better than the older one, as it was a tad too distant too see the features listed in the nom form. Let me know what you thinkCoal town guy (talk) 02:58, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

I like your picture a lot better than the old one. It's closer and it's much more clear. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 03:04, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

I know the current owner, nice guy. We were going to go inside on a tour I coordinated, but we ran out of time because I promised I would meet the Mayor of War WV, Tom Hatcher. I met Mayor Hatcher, learned alot of cool McDowell County stuff, went home. ~5 months later, Mayor Hatcher had been murdered in his home...glad I missed my inside tour after allCoal town guy (talk) 12:35, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Yikes, that's terrible. Sorry to hear about that, though I suppose it's good that you got to talk to him first. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:34, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Purple Hotel

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Thanks

Thanks for finding a source for Warehouse District (Salt Lake City, Utah) and saving it from proposed deletion. I was not aware that this neighborhood was included in the NHRP, but I can't verify the sources provided because I apparently don't have the right app to run the files provided in the link cited. How can I fix this issue? TCN7JM 08:36, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

I actually didn't know the neighborhood was in the NRHP either until I checked what linked to the article and saw it was in National Register of Historic Places listings in Salt Lake City, Utah. You can verify the source by going to NPS Focus and searching for the property name; that should bring up a page with information about the listing and a link to its nomination form if it's online. (Another, possibly simpler, way to get the information is through the NRHP infobox generator, but that's less official.) TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 08:51, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I will note this for later. (NPS focus was giving me a 404 earlier, but seems to work now.) TCN7JM 09:47, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Sterling, Vermont

Hi-I came across Sterling, Vermont. Levi Baker Vilas a Vermont&Wisconsin politician was born there. I checked the GNIS; there was references to a cemetery, school, etc. with the name Sterling in Lamoille County, Vermont but no community or ghost town of that name. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 12:06, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)IF you can locate a map with that town name, it would be possible to contact GNIS and have it added to their database...just sayin....Coal town guy (talk) 13:02, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Comment- I saw this: [Green Mt.Club Sterling Section-thanks-RFD (talk) 15:12, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Apparently Sterling used to be a town but was disincorporated and annexed by other towns in the 1800s. It still probably should have an article, though. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 23:42, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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Finchburg, Alabama

Hi-Finchburg, Alabama-many thanks-RFD (talk) 13:34, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Alabama

hi-Old Salem, Alabama, River Ridge, Monroe County, Alabama, River Ridge, Pike County, Alabama-thanks-RFD (talk) 20:03, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Caretta WV has been dozed

The coal processing facility at Caretta WV has been removed in totum. The store, which is on the NRHP remains, however, all of the coal processing facilities are now gone. [Some pics of the Caretta processing facility] Thought that might be of interest to youCoal town guy (talk) 13:32, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

The photos are very interesting. It is sad the coal processing facilities were removed. Last year when my family were traveling to Virginia for my nephew's wedding we went past a historical coal mind exhibit that was just off the West Virginia Parkway. I would had like to see it, but the time schedule prevented this. As I said before I am fascinated withe the West Virginia unincorporated communities-the history, the people. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 16:53, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Winooski, Wisconsin

Hi-Winooski, Wisconsin thanks-RFD (talk) 19:50, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Faro

Hi-Faro, Missouri, Faro, North Carolina. There was an article about an US Air Force jet that fell apart over Goldsboro, North Carolina in 1961 and had 4 nuclear warheads. One of them came closed to exploding and the other one is still lodged in the ground and this is at Faro, North Carolina. There was no article about Faro, North Carolina so I started an article. These are the only communities named Faro in the United States. Thanks-RFD (talk) 18:10, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Faro, North Carolina

Many thanks for adding the info box in the Faro, North Carolina article. According to the newspaper article one of nuclear bombs is still lodged in the ground 52 years later. This can hit closer to home; some spent uranium fuel was removed from the Dairyland Power Plant in Genoa, Wisconsin and is encased in a block of lead and concrete waitng for the US Government to move it. And it may be not be for quite awhile. I live in La Crosse, Wisconsin which is not too far from Genoa, Wisconsin.RFD (talk) 12:36, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

I saw that news article. Apparently that bomb came extremely close to accidentally nuking North Carolina at the time, and it was only stopped by a single switch; it's pretty scary in hindsight. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 07:49, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Swan Lake, Montana

Hi-I was working on the Burke Riley article and started an article about his birth place Swan Lake, Montana. Many thanks=RFD (talk) 15:18, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Gil Dozier and Beauregard Parish, Louisiana

Gil Dozier, a politician from Louisiana died recently. He was born in Fields, Louisiana and burial in Singer, Louisiana. I started articles for both communities and they need info boxes. I am fascinated with unincorporated communities in that they have notable people born there and unusual histories and landmarks. Philipp, Mississippi is a good example; Governor Emanuel L. Philipp of Wisconsin managed a lumber company there for 8 years. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 12:56, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Locust Grove, King and Queen County, Virginia

You may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Locust Grove, King and Queen County, Virginia; part of my argument depends on your comments at User talk:Coal town guy, regarding the GNIS entry for Sassafras Ridge, Kentucky. Nyttend (talk) 05:02, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Filename at Commons

I see that you added a recent WLM photo of the Gila Pueblo to the NRHP in Gila County, AZ list. The file's name strikes me as lacking: it's just File:Pueblos.jpg. I'd like to change it to something more specific, like "Gila Pueblo 2006", but it doesn't seem to meet any of the specific criteria for unilateral renaming at Commons:File renaming. Could I solicit your input at the file's talk page? Thanks. Ammodramus (talk) 15:11, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Locust Grove

GNIS source is working again. Nyttend (talk) 23:42, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Waltersville, Mississippi

Hi-A couple of weeks ago, you had to worked on some articles on unincorporated communites to save them from being deleted because they created by a sockpuppet. Anyway the sockpuppet was backed and started more articles. Waltersville, Mississippi is one of the articles and the editor who started it was banned again. This time around I did not work on any of the articles because they may be deleted again...sigh...Many thanks-RFD (talk) 14:31, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I noticed that editor's name on Special:NewPagesFeed, and was worried that it was another sockpuppet based on the similar username and editing interests. I guess I was right. It looks like they started 40 or 50 community articles, none of which are in great shape. They also got blocked for disruptive editing rather than sockpuppetry, and the sockpuppetry investigation is very strange and confusing; apparently the first account declared it was a sock when it wasn't, but now it's actually using socks, I think. The whole situation is bizarre, and I'll wait for it to get settled one way or the other before dealing with the articles (since I don't really have time to deal with all of those now anyway). TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 19:47, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) These are real, WHEN GNIS is back up, I can update most of those.Coal town guy (talk) 13:52, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

All communities have been updated. I downloaded a copy of the GNIS database a few months agoCoal town guy (talk) 14:29, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Excellent! I also have an offline copy of the populated places in the GNIS; it's useful for occasions like this, as rare as they may be. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:20, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Teton County, Montana

Hi-Bynum, Montana, Pendroy, Montana-thanks-RFD (talk) 21:37, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

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Okawville house

(1) You must be right; the image is wrongly named, and it's not the main house. (2) Please continue to use it. It's part of the Heritage House Museum complex (note the alternate name in NRIS), apparently across the street from the rest of the complex, and you'll note that the nomination form speaks of "eight structures and landscape features" but proceeds to discuss six structures and one landscape feature. I apologize for not getting the main building, but I think we can be confident that this portion of the Heritage House Museum is included in the listing. Nyttend (talk) 11:40, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

PS Check Washington County Historical Society. This Is Washington County. N.p.: The Society, 1968. or History of Washington County, Illinois: With Illustrations Descriptive of Its Scenery. Philadelphia: Brink, McDonough, and Company, 1879. I can see the latter book being relevant for the history of the building in the picture and for the history of Okawville and the Schlossers, while the former book may well touch on the complex itself. Nyttend (talk) 12:49, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

:-( Oh well. Perhaps you could still use them for little bits of background on the village of Okawville (which, according to a teller at the village's bank, is pronounced "Oka-ville"; she was amused when I asked if it were "o-Kaw-ville") in the historical section of the article? I like your idea of writing about the complex in general. I basically always check for county histories when writing about properties in the countryside or in small towns, since they so often have relevant information; see the Mechanicsburg listings at National Register of Historic Places listings in Champaign County, Ohio, almost all of which use a history of Mechanicsburg as well as one or two county histories.  !!!!

You're quite welcome on the tip; local history is my specialty in real life, so I'm always going for them. If you really want to dig into them, you may want to check into buying this book, which I've found invaluable. "Okawville" is actually a local name; it's named for the Kaskaskia River, which has also been called the "Okaw River". I remember Cairo (I took this image six months ago), but your comment makes me begin to wonder — I never heard anyone pronounce local names when I visited Vienna, Rosiclare, or Golconda, so perhaps they're not what they look like. At least Thebes is hard to mangle :-) PS: I just read the nomination and reread your comments. I drove into Okawville from the south (I camped at Sparta, which is pronounced as you'd guess), and I remember seeing a sign for part of the museum complex ("Turn Left") a few blocks south of the NR-listed complex. Meanwhile, the house in my picture appears quickly on lines 3/4 of page 5. Have you checked the nomination for the hot springs resort down the street, which is also NR-listed? Note that the Schlosser nomination credits them with involvement in the hot springs. Finally, according to locals (I have friends who live or lived in and around Sparta and Oakdale), Prairie du Rocher and Fort de Chartres are "Prairie doo Roach-er" and "Fort Charters", just like the town across the river, "Saint Jen-uh-veev". Ugg...Nyttend (talk) 03:16, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Hm, apparently I wasn't paying much attention; sorry. But it could be a lot worse; check the nomination form for the Ratcliff Inn in White County, which is on the extreme side. Nyttend (talk) 03:43, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

No, the state forms are completely different. You can tell them because their sample bibliography always includes a citation to this book; I couldn't figure out why it was so relevant to Illinois historic sites until I noticed that it was a sample. For an unusual comparison, check [1] and [2], both of which link to forms for the Elijah P. Curtis House in Metropolis; the first property information report is for the Duffy Site, but by accident they uploaded the state form for the Curtis House instead of uploading Duffy's nomination. The second link includes the actual nomination for the Curtis House. Nyttend (talk) 04:19, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

I agree, and why use a work of fiction at that? Perhaps the book was really popular when the form was designed? Ah well; no longer do I wonder why every form filler-outer person was citing the book as a reference on their specific site. Please note that I've found nominations for lots of archaeological sites that don't have articles (on my hard drive, I have in preparation an Illinois analogue to this list), and if you'd like to write about one or more, I can help you get the nomination. Nyttend (talk) 12:54, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

By the way, my trip last Saturday took me through Vienna, and I stopped at a gas station to buy a Pepsi. I was still curious about pronunciation, so I remarked how (1) it was such a beautiful day, and (2) I was glad I'd come through that day, since "it was really dreary the only other time that I've been to Vienna" [pronounced like the Austrian city], and all I got was something like "Yes, it's quite a nice day"; no correction on pronunciation, but the attendent didn't pronounce the name either. If the article's correct about /vaɪˈænə/, it's not so important that the locals feel they have to correct people on it, unlike Jerr-dunn, Indiana. Nyttend (talk) 00:45, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Your final sentence is probably the right answer — especially since the gas station in question was on the city's east side, within sight of the I-24 interchange. Perhaps I would have gotten a different response if I'd said the same thing in the library. And by the way, I finally checked the Madera County Courthouse nomination that you mentioned before, and I definitely agree with your comments about its usefulness. Nyttend (talk) 01:45, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

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Deleting of NRHP Pages in New Braunfels, TX

Hi, I was just wondering why a string of my recent NRHP pages have been deleted. I personally do not understand how some do not have meaningful content. If I am violating any procedures on what I am doing, then I would like to know very much. I would also like to know if you might be able to create some of the pages for NRHP sites in Comal County as I am obviously having a difficult time with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TGZ (talk • contribs) 05:14, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar

		<font=3> National Register of Historic Places Photo Barnstar (honorable mention) given with respect and admiration to TheCatalyst31 for your photo roadtrip going 2,012 miles from Illinois to California (Challenge #6 - Interstate Traveler). Smallbones(smalltalk) 04:31, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Initial output of NRIS-only pages

Because no one seems to want to help us get a bot going to tag NRIS-only articles, I've been working on a script that will essentially do the same thing. I made the script visit all the county links present on the Progress page and build up a list of every single NRHP page that currently exists. (Side note: I plan on combining this with the script that updates the progress page to kill two birds with one stone without significantly increasing run time, but for now I'm leaving them separate to work out the kinks in the newest one.) That list is dumped to User:Dudemanfellabra/AllNRHPPages (or, more accurately, to its subpages). Then I go through another time and query to see if the pages that exist are NRIS-only. (Side note 2: It may be possible to combine everything into one big script later, but I don't want to interfere with the working-perfectly-well Progress script until I know everything works as expected.) The resulting output, i.e. a list of all articles which my script thinks are sourced only to NRIS, is dumped to User:Dudemanfellabra/NRISOnly.

I haven't mentioned this at the project talk page because I literally just dumped this list a few hours ago (as I was sleeping) and haven't had time to scan through it yet (although a spot check of 20-30 articles looks promising). Since you were helpful at the bot request page by finding false positives/omissions, would you be willing to look through my output and see what you think? I'll be looking as well, but having two sets of eyes on something is always better than one. After we complete an initial run-through, we can bring it up at the talk page and invite others to look through. After everyone is satisfied with the output, I envision creating a bot account and getting permission to tag the articles. If the script is run regularly--which will be more likely if it is combined with the Progress script--it will be functionally equivalent to going through recent changes, except it will be limited to articles newly linked from some NRHP list.

Any help is appreciated, but don't feel obligated if you don't have the time/interest. Thanks! :)--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 14:50, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Crown, Minnesota

Hi-Crown, Minnesota needs an info box. The GNIS is back on!-RFD (talk) 21:52, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Added. It's nice to have all of the government references back again. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 23:04, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Louisiana

Hi-Bentley, Louisiana, Verda, Louisiana-thanks-RFD (talk) 23:40, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

The GNIS appears to be having downtime issues at the moment; I'll take care of these when it goes back up. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 00:38, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

GNIS

Hi-the GNIS is up and running again. Many thanks for doing the infoboxes. You may want to look at the Harmarville, Pennsylvania article. Would the community be a CDP? Again my thanks-RFD (talk) 10:29, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

According to the Census Bureau, Harmarville isn't a CDP. Not sure where that population figure is coming from. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:02, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

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West Virginia NRHP UPDATE

The Beckley Hardware and Feed store in Raleigh County WV in Beckley is slated to be torn down and replaced with a MacDonalds.......NO, I am not joking. I am working with my friends in Beckley to get me a pic to use on Wikipedia.........here is the local newsCoal town guy (talk) 03:00, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Another person has provided me with a photo, HOWEVER, I am unaware how to properly attribute this, can you help?Coal town guy (talk) 03:17, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

There's a procedure for uploading other people's images that you have permission to use at commons:OTRS. I've never actually needed to use it, but hopefully it's not too difficult. As for the story itself... sigh, we all know how much more another McDonald's adds to the community than a historic store, apparently. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 03:25, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh yes, Beckley only has 5 McDonalds, imagine the change in our Zeitgeist number 6 will give...Coal town guy (talk) 12:46, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

GOOD NEWS, the photo has been gifted to me. After my edits, the photog liked my version better, he said to use with his blessings as he appreciated my work in McDowell County with Jenkinjones...groooovyCoal town guy (talk) 13:53, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

BAD NEWS......the building was demolished this past week....Coal town guy (talk) 16:12, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Wisconsin

Hi-Please look at Goldenthal, Wisconsin, Plat, Wisconsin, and Pleasant Hill, Wisconsin. They were started by an editor that we had some communications with. I think the articles should be redirected into other articles. The editor did leave a message on my talk page. Thanks-RFD (talk) 03:00, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

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Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013

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WV NRHP arson attempt

Oak Hill Depot arson attempt. I bet folks understand why I left all those years ago...The Damage was minimal and they do have a person in custody. The good news is, the station still standsCoal town guy (talk) 13:10, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

At least the station didn't get completely destroyed. I wrote Oak Hill Railroad Depot back when I was first starting to write NRHP articles, and I would be pretty upset if it got burned down by some idiot. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 19:42, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Jackson County, South Dakota

Hi-Cactus Flat, South Dakota, Long Valley, South Dakota-thanks-RFD (talk) 23:55, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Only Cactus Flat, South Dakota needs info box; Long Valley, South Dakota already has one. That article had to be rewritten no citations.-thanks-RFD (talk) 00:02, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

More photos

In case you're planning to write more articles for NR-listed places in Little Egypt, you should get ready for more photos to come; last Saturday I got photos for all listed sites in Jefferson, Franklin, Williamson, Jackson, Union, and Saline Counties, and I'll be uploading them when possible. Nyttend (talk) 05:37, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome; I too strongly prefer writing about places with images available. I had some personal interest, as aside from St Clair and Monroe, they were the only counties south of I-70 in which I'd not photographed every site. As I perhaps mentioned before, I can supply links for nominations for some sites that aren't easily found, e.g. Carrier Mills in Saline County or Cleiman in Jackson County. However, I can't give you anything for the Giant City Lodge — it's actually in Union County (I'll be moving it from the Jackson County list when I get the time), but I've searched NR-listed sites and non-NR-listed sites in both counties without finding anything at all. I wonder if they accidentally marked it as address-restricted or something like that? The Giant City fort site, meanwhile, is marked as non-NR for some crazy reason, so finding the entry took quite a while. By the way, have you looked at File:NRHP Illustrated Counties.svg lately? I'm struck how the state's poorly-illustrated sections are basically a slightly southeast-shifted Forgottonia; I guess they're too far from Chicago for most photographers from there, and they're definitely too far away from me in Bloomington, Indiana. Nyttend (talk) 13:11, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment! My historical interests (i.e. for professional purposes, not just hobby) are strongly toward local history and historic sites, and I've gradually been working on a book about NR-listed places in southern Illinois and Indiana. That's one reason that northern Kentucky isn't as well illustrated. I just wish I could knock out southeastern Indiana, but it's really not possible. Of course, some work is also just for my own interests; see the article and photos I've just added for Grand Tower Island, which is next door to Jackson County. By the way, you should be careful about the lodge; I went inside the first floor of the building, which is basically a big room for relaxation and various shops, including a restaurant. If there's a hotel area, I didn't see it. Nyttend (talk) 22:40, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Seeing your comment made me go looking online, and I found this page. Looks like the cabins have all been replaced, leaving the lodge as the only CCC-built structure in the complex. A pity, since I got several photos of the cabins, including some from the adjacent water tower. Nyttend (talk) 01:04, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Curious, do you own this book? Its Amazon reviews appear quite impressive, making it look to be on par with analogous books for Ohio and Indiana, both of which I own and use frequently. Nyttend (talk) 02:54, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I own very few printed local histories aside from these courthouse books; the high tide of county-history production was the 1880s-1920s, so most of the best sources are available for free from Google Books and/or the Internet Archive.

If you're interested in writing more Union County articles, you should note that the HARGIS reference number for the Ware Mounds is 200210. Nyttend (talk) 22:09, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

I take it you mean the Wilson Mounds and Village Site, 200211? Yes, that's how everything's set up. I've always been careful not to make links to the documentation or to the property information reports, since that keeps the actual situation obscure; for example, look at the final citation on the Jackson County list, which like all the others for AR site nominations, I treat as if they're print copies. The only nomination that isn't available like this is Duffy, 200205, and that's because (as I mentioned up above) they accidentally uploaded the state form for a different site to its URL. I found these URLs a year and a half ago: for a little while, AR sites were displayed on HARGIS just like non-AR sites (they appeared on the map, and they appeared in search results), so I downloaded all AR site nominations except for Duffy. I didn't bother recording the numbers; them I had to go back and get some time later, and while most have numbers close to other sites in the same county (e.g. the Stinson Memorial Library in Anna is 200208), some I never did re-find, such as the petroglyph sites at Piney Creek Ravine on the Randolph County list. Nyttend (talk) 16:36, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, pretty much all of these sites either are already obvious when you're there (e.g. Ware, which is 200 metres long and has two distinct contour lines on the topo maps), or they wouldn't be obvious except for plaques that have been placed at the site (e.g. the Piney Creek petroglyphs), or they're big areas for which only little bits are valuable, and of course when I write about them (e.g. Hubele Mounds and Village Site), I don't provide the technical details of where the little valuable spots are found. Check your sandbox for other AR sites. Nyttend (talk) 00:35, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I ended up buying that Illinois county courthouses book; see Wabash County Courthouse (Illinois) for the first thing I've done with it. Meanwhile, I've finally gotten around to creating List of archaeological sites on the National Register of Historic Places in Illinois (I started it over a year ago and had never gotten it off my hard drive), but it's presently orphaned. Could you help me by adding it as a See also to all articles in Category:Archaeological sites on the National Register of Historic Places in Illinois at which it wouldn't stick out too much? Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 06:50, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I simply changed all of the links to the one that I was using in the archaeological sites list, and the same with the Kamp Mound in Calhoun County. These alternate links I placed specifically to avoid the redirects. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a good alternate name for the Kamp Store; do you know if you could put together a reasonable stub? Nyttend (talk) 13:06, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Your help is even more appreciated. Would you be able to nominate the Wabash County Courthouse article for DYK? I had a rough day and am really not in the frame of mind to be reviewing someone else's article, but if you nominate my work, you don't have to do a review. Nyttend (talk) 01:58, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the DYK nomination! You can find the Koster number here, together with the numbers for a bunch of other Criterion D sites that aren't address-restricted. Nyttend (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Yellow Pine, Alabama

Thanks for your comment and removing the PROD - I wasn't sure what made a place qualify to stay on WP. It was created ... without serious intent by someone else and I was going to speedy it when I looked it up and found there was, just about, a place by that name. So I looked up all the details I could and then put the PROD on as well. There really isn't much to say about it - it seems to be part of a zip code and more or less just a cross roads! -- 🍺 Antiqueight ^confer 19:53, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Yellow Pine, Louisiana

Hi-I started an article about Yellow Pine, Louisiana-one of 3 communities in the US with that name. I noticed that this was deleted twice in 2006 and I am not sure of the reasons. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 12:43, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Both times it was deleted, the entire content of the page was a Geocities link, so it was deleted for lack of content. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:35, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Robert P. Lamp House

Another historical house that may be demolished for an apartment building: Robert M. Lamp House, Madison, Wisconsin, designed by Frank Lloyd Wright. Apparently the house is the only one designed by Wright in Madison. People sure like to tear down historic buildings....sigh....RFD (talk) 21:26, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes

Hi-Zenda, Wisconsin, Center Lisle, New York, Elmer, Pennsylvania need info boxes-thanks-RFD (talk) 18:08, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Pleasure Island (Borger, Texas amusement park)

Since you deleted Pleasure Island (Borger, Texas amusement park), can you please tell me the creation date? I have a strong suspicion it was a WP:HOAX and would like to add it to Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 03:52, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

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Barnstar

Why thank you. Does it come with ice cream? --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 06:06, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Canoncito, New Mexico

Hi-According to GNIS, there are 5 communities named Canoncito in New Mexico. Thanks-RFD (talk) 20:31, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

This one's a little complicated. As far as I can tell, none of those communities are the location of the Canoncito post office, which is located at the Canoncito Navajo Day Schol in western Bernalillo County. I'm trying to figure out if there's a Canoncito settlement at the school or not, and unfortunately the few sources I can find aren't very clear on the matter. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 22:15, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Canoncito, New Mexico 87026

Hi-I did some research concerning Canoncito, New Mexico the one mentioned in Nyttend's zipcode directory. Laguna, New Mexico has the same zipcode-87026. Hopefully that may help. I am still not sure about the other Canoncito communities in New Mexico listed in GNIS. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 12:31, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I notice that Tohajiilee is listed among the accepted names for 87026. That's actually the Tohajiilee Indian Reservation, which used to be known as the Canoncito Indian Reservation, which could be where the name Canoncito comes from. I think if I mention the reservation on a disambiguation page with the other five communities and start articles for those, it should cover everything (since that school is on the reservation anyway). TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 19:54, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I've started Cañoncito, New Mexico, which mentions the communities and the reservation. I also added another community that's the listed location for a NRHP listing in Santa Fe County. I'll start the articles on the communities themselves over the next few hours. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 01:17, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Another list coming

List of Illinois county courthouses will be coming before long; I've spent a bunch of the evening developing it, and you can see my progress so far in my sandbox. The plan is to add locations for the sites that don't yet have them, as well as images for all possible sites, dates of construction, and comments. Nyttend (talk) 05:10, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

I looked for comparable lists for other states and found nothing; thank you for the link. I didn't even think of putting in a link to the county itself, but now that I see that others have done it, I definitely think that it's unnecessarily duplicative. Everything else on the list is at least partially not-intuitive — even the most intuitive thing, the names of the courthouse articles, is somewhat ambiguous due to the presence or absence of (Illinois), as well as occasional articles with other names, such as the Cook and McLean courthouses. Nyttend (talk) 06:14, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Didn't do much work on this list today, but I did put a lot of effort into a new Kolmer Site article (enjoy), which ended up being lots longer and lots more involved than I expected — the nomination form is shorter than the one for the Koster Site, and although it's in an HD, the district nomination is even smaller, but I was able to find plenty of relevant data in an online county history. Nyttend (talk) 04:46, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm looking at it without seeing a good DYK hook. Can you think of one? Nyttend (talk) 01:44, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Here's the latest edition of the county courthouses list. I'll be writing up an introduction this evening, if I get the time. If you're in Illinois yourself, you could help by supplying images where we've got whitespace; I've checked Flickr and the Calvin Beale collection for all of them. Nyttend (talk) 16:21, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

By the way, note the parallel existence of Mount Pulaski Courthouse State Historic Site and Mount Pulaski Courthouse. I'll get them merged when possible if you don't get them first. Nyttend (talk) 17:00, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

According to my book, Lincoln was founded in 1853, the railroad came through in 1855, and the county seat was moved after the railroad came through. Nyttend (talk) 22:45, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Wabash County Courthouse (Illinois)

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Island Grove, Florida

Hi-Island Grove, Florida-it was in Nyttend's zipcode directory and an editor started the article and I added the GNIS, zipcode information-thanks-RFD (talk) 21:17, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Carver County, Minnesota

Hi-Augusta, Minnesota, Bongards, Minnesota, East Union, Minnesota-thanks-RFD (talk) 19:31, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Carver County, Minnesota

Hi-2 more communities from Carver County, Minnesota-Benton, Minnesota, North Benton, Minnesota-thanks=RFD (talk) 12:01, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

I added the infobox for North Benton, but Benton appears to be a neighborhood of Cologne. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:44, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

I would have no problems if the Benton, Minnesota article can be merged with the Cologne, Minnesota article-thanks-RFD (talk) 22:19, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!

Just a quick thanks for granting me autopatrolled rights! I was hesitant to ask for them at first since I was short of the recommended articles created, but after seeing the huge backlog (and realizing how many articles I had still not patrolled and knowing my plans for creation), I figured I had nothing to lose. It makes a nice 2 day early "8 years on Wikipedia birthday" present. Ultraviolet (talk) 02:10, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

About the PROD you removed

Where are these sources you mentioned? I did a search, and the only non-trivial mention I could find was the tiny blurb I linked to in the PROD. I was able to find mentions of other, unrelated Warhol's of Coke-bottles, but not to this painting. Sven Manguard Wha? 08:06, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Downtown Ironton Historic District

Hi TheCatalyst31. What was this redirected to and why was it deleted as being implausible? Candleabracadabra (talk) 02:18, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Explain a deletion?

Hi, I wonder if you can be so kind and explain why you deleted this article from the Wikipedia on the reason that it lacked good sources? Kind regards, Bjoertvedt (talk) 15:08, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

(third party comment) It was deleted as an expired prod. Is there substantial coverage of the awards in reliable independent sources? Merging what was there to the parent article on Telenor is also a possibility. Candleabracadabra (talk) 15:21, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, an experienced user advised me to enter the independent sources into the talk page of this article. Maybe the person deleting the article did not see that? Bjoertvedt (talk) 15:23, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't notice that the sources were a response to the proposed deletion at first. I've restored the article, as articles deleted via proposed deletion can be undeleted by request. (In the future, if you object to a proposed deletion I suggest that you remove the proposed deletion tag so there's no confusion.) TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 19:53, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

no sorry, it is quick to overlook. I was kindly reminded that one of the 15 sources I added was indeed a press release (s\didn't see that), and that I had the wrong URL to the Indian media (have fixed that now). Also added a Pakistani newspaper as source, along with the 13 or so Norwegian ones. I do not really care much if the article is kept or not, but thought it was a contribution worth to add in 15 independent sources. If anyone want the article kept, it might be worth to add in some of the sources instead of the corporate ones that are there now. And if anyone still think the article should be deleted, be my guest. Just the best, Bjoertvedt (talk) 23:48, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Carnegie Library of Albany

Do you feel comfortalbe rsetoring this article or would you prefer if I took up the issue in other venues? If you do restore it could you remove the section in "dispute". That way I can take the time to really go over it and make sure it's done properly. Thanks for your kind consideration. Candleabracadabra (talk) 01:14, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

As I said in my other comment, I want to give Nyttend a chance to respond first, and he hasn't edited since my first reply. Sorry for the delay, but I'd rather discuss the issue before undeleting. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 01:21, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh, okay. I hadn't realized he hasn't edited since then. He's usually quite active. No rush. I just didn't want it to get forgotten. Thanks for you help. Candleabracadabra (talk)

Pyramid

Hi-Pyramid, Illinois, Pyramid, Nevada-they and Pyramid, Kentucky are the only communities in the US with that name-thanks-RFD (talk) 18:17, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Contested proposed deletion of Hokkien fried rice

Thanks for contesting the proposed deletion of Hokkien fried rice. I have added {{Old prod full}} to the article's talk page, per the WP:DEPROD guideline. (Please do use this template in the future when contesting deletions, so there is a record of the process and the article isn't PRODed again.) It sounds like you found some sources that would help improve the article. Could you add them to the article or list them on the article's talk page so another editor can incorporate them? Many thanks. Ibadibam (talk) 03:42, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Most of the sources I found were cookbooks, recipe sites, and the like; I don't want to give any of them preferential treatment without some background as to which are useful and which aren't, and they shouldn't be too hard to find, so I think I'll leave that to whoever can improve the article. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 04:57, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Ok. I will AfD the article to encourage improvement and generate discussion. Ibadibam (talk) 19:34, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of International Collaboration for Participatory Health Research

Hello.

I don't understand your lack of hits on google. It may be because all the words are common, many papers are not in English and google has it's flaws in this case. The ICPHR is a large and internationally significant organisation.

Here are some articles mentioning it from the past 3 years.

Wright, MT; Roche, B; von Unger, H; Block, M.; Gardner, B. (2009) A Call for an International Collaboration on Participatory Research for Health. Health Promotion International; 25(1): 115 - 122. http://heapro.oxfordjournals.org/content/25/1/115.full.pdf

Springett, J; Wright, MT; Roche, B (2011) Developing Quality Criteria for Participatory Health Research, In der Reihe „Discussion Papers“. Berlin: Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin für Sozialforschung. http://econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/56934/1/689989601.pdf

Wright, MT; Nöcker, G; Pawils, S; Walter, U (2013) Partizipative Gesundheitsforschung – ein neuer Ansatz für die Präventionsforschung (Participatory Heatlh Research—A New Approach for Prevention Research). Prävention und Gesundheitsförderung; 8(3): 119-121. http://download.springer.com/static/pdf/315/art%253A10.1007%252Fs11553-013-0400-7.pdf?auth66=1385560328_011aa054ca5af60d66b8a2e0c8b10bbc&ext=.pdf

Advancing the Science of Community-Level Interventions(2011), Trickett, E.J. , Beehler, S. , Deutsch, C. , Green, L.W. , Hawe, P. , McLeroy, K. , Miller, R.L. , Rapkin, B.D. , Schensul, J.J. , Schulz, A.J. , Trimble, J.E. Published in: American Journal of Public Health; 101(8): 1410-1419. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3134512/pdf/1410.pdf

Please can the deletion be reversed or can you send me the original text so I can start again without having to compose from scratch?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wakeford (talk • contribs) 10:50, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

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Greenleaf, Wisconsin

Hi-Greenleaf, Wisconsin needs an infobox-thanks-RFD (talk) 11:21, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

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DeNoon, Arizona

Hi-Do you have time to do an article about DeNoon, Arizona please? It was a mining community in Pinal County, Arizona and it is now a ghost town. The spelling may varied. Thank you-RFD (talk) 11:14, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

I started an article on DeNoon but I wasn't able to find its coordinates, so it doesn't have an infobox at the moment. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 19:53, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Rosindale, North Carolina

Hi-Rosindale, North Carolina-thanks-RFD (talk) 21:25, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for St. Nicholas Hotel (Springfield, Illinois)

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Sunrise, Minnesota

Hi-Sunrise, Minnesota needs an info box. It was redirected but Jerald C. Anderson, who was in the Minnesota Senate, was born in Sunrise so I started the article. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 14:00, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Hilburn, Texas

Hi-Hilburn, Texas-thanks-RFD (talk) 00:28, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

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Turnersville, Tennessee

Hi=Turnersville, Tennessee-thanks-RFD (talk) 14:37, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

New listings

Thanks. I was planning on doing all of them at the end, so that I could just do everything all together. Nyttend (talk) 03:16, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

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Ways to improve Bell Fork, North Carolina

Hi, I'm Rudra john cena. TheCatalyst31, thanks for creating Bell Fork, North Carolina!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Give more information about this place

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. Rudra john cena (talk) 12:17, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Latham, Tennessee

Hi-Latham, Tennessee thanks-RFD (talk) 15:15, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Also-Gardner, Tennessee-thanks-RFD (talk) 15:32, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Illinois Salines

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Elizaville, New York

Hi-Elizaville, New York needs an info box-thanks-RFD (talk) 22:43, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Gurneyville, Ohio

Hi-Gurneyville, Ohio needs an info box-thanks-RFD (talk) 15:04, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Pierces Chapel, Texas

Hi-Pierces Chapel, Texas needs an info box-thanks-RFD (talk) 16:56, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

New Hope, Texas

I justfound out there are 14-15 communities named New Hope in Texas including a ghost town. There are 2 articles-New Hope, Texas and New Hope, Smith County, Texas-thanks-RFD (talk) 22:24, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Hollandale, Mississippi

Hi there. I see you added "Hollandale Downtown Historic District" to National Register of Historic Places listings in Washington County, Mississippi. It looks like it's only been nominated, but isn't yet an official listing [3], but maybe I'm missing somethings. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 13:00, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing that information. It's just that when I clicked on the dead link you had added to the "National Register of Historic Places listings in Washington County, Mississippi", I had to go looking for the information myself. Regards. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:37, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

New articles in Little Egypt

I clicked on your contributions the other day and saw that you were producing a bunch of new pages for southern Illinois, such as all of those in Williamson County, but I had no idea how busy you'd been until I saw the latest update to File:NRHP Articled Counties.svg. Are you considering working on Randolph County soon? If so, I again apologise that I can't give you a link for the nominations for the Piney Creek Ravine sites, but I don't think you need them. The nominations were written by Mark Wagner of SIU Carbondale, who also wrote this book, and they're exceedingly similar: the illustrations are virtually identical, and large chunks of text are the same. If you're near a library that owns it, or if you can request it via interlibrary loan, you should be able to write just as well as you could if you had the nominations. Nyttend (talk) 21:02, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

There are five individually-listed sites in the HD — Kolmer, Modoc, the Creole House, Fort de Chartres, and the Menard House — and I've written two of them. Hardly "most" :-) In truth, I'd been planning on writing the article eventually, once we had articles on all of the listed properties, so I guess I might as well do it. Can't promise a time for when it will be done, but I'll keep it in mind. By the way, could you give me the HARGIS reference numbers for Piney Creek? Nyttend (talk) 22:11, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the links! I'd not checked the histories for the other three French Colonial sites, and I thought that they'd all been stubs until recently, so I assumed that you'd written them; I now see that it wasn't the case. I've been splitting my writing lately on a wide range of stuff — I'd done nothing but expanding NRIS-only stubs in metro Cincinnati for a while, and that was so tedious (User:NrhpBot created 400 of them in two counties) that I've let myself get distracted for a while now by other stuff such as the White Site, the Burton House (Newberry, South Carolina), and the David Yeiser House. If you're at all interested in expanding stubs from nomination forms, see the Charter Oak Schoolhouse in Randolph County, which has no sources except NRIS and a dead link to the school's page on a private website about Randolph County. Nyttend (talk) 22:42, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good, and thank you. I've basically been following an analogous path in Ohio for the last several years, although proceeding more slowly; I put all of the Ohio NR listings in county subpages of User:Nyttend/Ohio NRHP and remove them when they're expanded past miniature stub status, and thereby I'm able to catch stuff such as Charter Oak or long but thoroughly worthless stuff like the Young-Shaw House. I guess I could be going more quickly if I were writing stubs, but I'm really not interested in doing that — mind you, I'm not objecting to what you're doing, since you're providing a summary and enough resources for the curious reader to learn more — as my interest is really in developing a short yet generally comprehensive article off the bat. I suppose it's because of the nature of my sources, as I'm working from print sources that can't be accessed by just anyone, so I figure that I'd best make it as good as possible, because if I write a stub, it's not likely that someone else could come along and expand it without a ton of work. Nyttend (talk) 02:03, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Article request

Hello, would you be able/willing to put something together on the South Henderson Church and Cemetery? It's the last remaining site in Henderson County. I've not forgotten the French Colonial HD; I'm just trying to find time in which to write it. Nyttend (talk) 07:13, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I've made a couple small tweaks. Either you stay up really really late on Friday nights, or you're up really really early on Saturday mornings. Nyttend (talk) 12:39, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Ah, okay; you do enough with Illinois that I just assumed you were within its borders. 1:30AM is a lot more reasonable than 3:30AM :-) Nyttend (talk) 02:22, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

George Fisher (Illinois pioneer)-photos of his grave-

Hi-I was wondering if there are any photos of the gravesite of George Fisher (Illinois pioneer) in Randolph County, Illinois that could be added to the Fisher article? George Fisher was a physician and had served in the Illinois and Indiana Territorial Legislatures and in the first Illinois Constitutional Convention. The State of Illinois has marked his grave-historical marker. Thanks you again-RFD (talk) 12:20, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there aren't any photos that I know of. The gravesite isn't on the National Register, and a quick search for free images didn't turn up anything. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 12:39, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for looking-RFD (talk) 12:49, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

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Stotesbury WV

Hey there, I am back from a self imposed wiki break. I managed to get the Other Buildings section in the Stotesbury, West Virginia article up to date with refs (YAAAAY). I decided to take the advice of some wise admins and editors, did some actual historic stuff on my time and now, I can start updating some things here again.Coal town guy (talk) 14:19, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Glad to see you're back. The Stotesbury article looks good; that reminds me, I should write an article on that church at some point. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:08, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

If needed, I have taken video inside the church when it still stood...Coal town guy (talk) 02:02, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

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Hi-Tuckers Corners, Illinois-thanks-RFD (talk) 00:16, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

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The Village of Harrison, Wisconsin

Hi-I checked the Outagamie County, Wisconsin website to see if the Village of Harrison is listed in the county website under the municipalities section and it is even though there is nothing mentioned in the village website. I will probably will make the changes. Thanks-RFD (talk) 12:26, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I made the change back and added the Outagamie County, Wisconsin municipalities section to the article as a citation. I am not sure if the Village of Harrison annexed rest of the town of Harrison in Calumet County to the village. The town and village of Harrison uses the town of Harrison town hall. I will leave a comment at the Village of Harrison, Wisconsin talk page on this. Thanks-RFD (talk) 12:56, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I found more information from the Town of Buchanan news letter about part of the Town of Buchanan being part of the Village of Harrison that I added on to the article-Thanks-RFD (talk) 23:54, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing that. It looks like the Harrison town/village website just hasn't updated in a while. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 00:06, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Herman, Pennsylvania

Hi-Herman, Pennsylvania an infobox please. One quick note on the Village of Harrison, Wisconsin website-the village seems to be updated with minutes from their town and village board meetings on their website. I would not be too surprised if the village of Harrison annexs the remaining town of Harrison in Calumet County. Thank you again-RFD (talk) 17:09, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Saint Catharine, Kentucky

Hi-Saint Catharine, Kentucky-thanks-RFD (talk) 21:15, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Pennsylvania

Hi-Pennsdale, Pennsylvania, Mountain Grove, Pennsylvania-thanks-RFD (talk) 22:23, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Multi-state duplicates

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Rago, Colorado

Hi-Rago, Colorado needs info box-thanks-RFD (talk) 10:30, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Also Rago, Arkansas, Rago, Kansas-thanks-RFD (talk) 11:08, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

R Dhanarajan

I see that you deleted this page previously because of lack of notability. He is now captain of Mohammedan S.C. (Kolkata) and has played at national level football league 6 times and thus passes WP:FOOTYN. Has also appeared in Federation Cup (India). Can you restore the original article? Thanks. Source Nadesai (talk) 09:38, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Whoa, that was quick. Thanks. Nadesai (talk) 09:43, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

THIS could be fun.....

SO I went here and requested a map of the Pocahontas Coalfield. Part of this goes through Route 16 in WV...So, IF you are able, could you take a look and see if my request is "within normality"?? Many ThanksCoal town guy (talk) 13:53, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Actually was directed to a helpful graphics request board here in wiki, very cool...Coal town guy (talk) 16:59, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Humboldt County protected Native site

Greetings: I saw that you put the De-no-to Cultural district in the top-level Humboldt County category. I have changed that to "history of Humboldt County" and suggest that since Category Hupa is already contained there, that even that addition is unnecessary. However, the site definitely does not go in the top level category as it is a non-open to the public protected site and to put it up there is not only not how other sites of its type are categorized but would be an invitation to negative attention up to and including looting. I would point out that none of the other protected sites in Humboldt County is listed in History of Humboldt County, they're also filed by native group (people). Thanks for understanding. Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:37, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

The Fighting Wombats

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I can't believe I missed a Sewell brother. Maybe *they* were the wombats...— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 03:03, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Crimea in the United States

Hi-Crimea, Louisiana, Darvils, Virginia (also Crimea, Virginia)-RFD (talk) 18:33, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Userpage

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Nevins

Hi-Nevins, Florida, Nevins, Illinois-thanks-RFD (talk) 20:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

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Hi-Woodyardville, Arkansas, Woodyard, Illinois, Woodyard, Maryland-thanks-RFD (talk) 10:05, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Bedford Springs, Pennsylvania

Hi-I was working on an article about a Wisconsin legislator John Montgomery Smith and he was born in Bedford Springs, Pennsylvania which needs an infobox. As always many thanks-RFD (talk) 17:38, 29 March 2014 (UTC) Also-Hyattville, Kansas thanks-RFD (talk) 21:35, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Skidmore, Michigan

Hi-I looked at the Iron Mountain micropolitan area article and noticed a redlink for Skidmore, Michigan. I started an article about Skidmore, Michigan. WP-Michigan does things differently with its Michigan unincorporated communities articles. I hope there is no problems-thanks-RFD (talk) 11:58, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

I added the infobox for Skidmore. Some of my more recent Michigan community articles weren't merged, so I'm not sure if the editors who were in favor of that are still doing it (though when I say "more recent", I still mean a couple of years ago). As you know, I've never liked that policy myself, so I think the article's fine as it is. (Though it looks like Skidmore is getting overrun by sprawl from Kingsford; it looks like it's still unincorporated, but I wouldn't be surprised if that area gets annexed at some point.) TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:51, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks for the infobox for the Skidmore, Michigan article. I agree with you-the various Michigan unincorporated communities should not be merged. Again my thanks-RFD (talk) 21:29, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Vienna, Michigan

Hi-Two or three years ago-I came across 4 communities named Vienna in form in Michigan: Vienna, Michigan, Vienna Corners, Michigan, Vienna Junction, Montmorency County, Michigan, and Vienna Junction, Monroe County, Michigan. I did let one of the editors who was involved in the Michigan unincorporated communities article know in case he/she wanted to do something with them. Nothing was ever done. So I decided article were needed to be started. Anyway these articles need info boxes-thanks as always-RFD (talk) 10:33, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Harder, Washington

Hi-Harder, Washington-the only unincorporated community in the United States with that name-thanks-RFD (talk) 13:43, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

WV Travels

Hey- I am headed to the great state soon, WV of course. I plan to educate myself about the Pocahontas Coalfield. SO, I thought WAIT A MINUTE, As I will be in the Mercer, McDowell, Raleigh County area (yes I know Raleigh has no Pocahontas Coalfield relation) do you have a particular photo in mind? I plan to be populating the Mercer County National Register page with just a few entries.....Coal town guy (talk) 13:43, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

I can't think of any specific photos that I'm looking for. Mercer County (and Bluefield in particular) just seems to need more images in general at this point. Given how many of the McDowell County sites have been demolished, though, if any of the unillustrated ones are still standing you might want to try and visit those. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:25, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

OH I have even better news for McDowell County. I spoke with the owner of the James Ellwood House, the son of my man, Jenkin Joines the namesake of our lovely Jenkinjones, West Virginia. I will be doing a full photo essay, structure, yard and inside and out of mansion. It is one of the rare examples of an actual coal barons mansion being maintained replete with the gardens and ground estate. I am very excited about that, as you might have guessed.....Coal town guy (talk) 12:52, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

That's great! That was one of the listings I had in mind, given the fate of some of the other sites in that area. Have a good time in WV. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 19:01, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

The word around the local campfire is there will be some losses on the list soon......I started tracking the demolition contract awards for the area. It does NOT look good in the next 3 years.Coal town guy (talk) 14:21, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Losing places on NRHP

It appears Raleigh County WV cant get enough of getting rid of historic structures....[this] states that a future demo project could get the historic district removed from the listCoal town guy (talk) 15:05, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Shame to hear about that. That district has 100 buildings though, so I'm curious how one building is so important to the district (assuming it's not the courthouse itself, of course). TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 18:14, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

They are all properties on Neville Street. The issue is that while the demo would take one contributing structure, it would change the profile of the area so vastly that it would not resemble the are as described any moreCoal town guy (talk) 18:20, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Norwich, Massachusetts

Hi-I came across an article about Norwich, Massachusetts that was redirected to another article. GNIS is: 608406. Is it possible to recreate this article? It is an unincorporated community in Hampshire County, Massachusetts. A Wisconsin Legislator Thompson Weeks was born there. Thanks as always-RFD (talk) 19:51, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Huntington, Massachusetts, where Norwich currently redirects, was legally incorporated as Norwich until it changed its name in 1855. Thompson Weeks was born in 1832, so are you sure his biography isn't just referencing the town? The community of Norwich is part of the town of Norwich/Huntington, so he was born in the town regardless, and town centers (which the community of Norwich probably was back then) don't always have separate articles in MA; for instance, Huntington (CDP), Massachusetts redirects to the town. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:48, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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Greens Corners, Wisconsin

Hi-Greens Corners, Wisconsin-thanks-RFD (talk) 10:11, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

NRHP WV updates

LONG trip, but I have some updates after I get through my pics. A question, the store at Pageton, West Virginia actually has a top stone stating the name of Alex Mahood as the designer, Can I put that in as a detail on the Pageton building page?. Also the pic that is there now is the back of the store, we will have the front stating coal co name stenciled in stone. Otherwise, YES, I was able to get to the James Ellwood Jones house, EGAD, its a hikeCoal town guy (talk) 15:38, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for getting those pictures! Page Coal and Coke Company Store already lists Alex Mahood as the designer and has a citation for it; are you referring to the main article on Pageton? TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 18:59, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Mai article, HOWEVER, its the only structure that has his actual name on it, I am aware of.....Coal town guy (talk) 20:51, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

[BETTER PIC]Coal town guy (talk) 20:59, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

The nomination form also mentions that Mahood's name is on the building, so mentioning that is fine regardless (though citing the picture would have been OK too). Saying that it's the only building with his name on it is original research unless you have a source saying so, though. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:32, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

SO, do you like the pics so far, James Ellwood House, Pageton Store, Whitesville School??? Coal town guy (talk) 21:34, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Yep, those are pretty good pictures. The James Ellwood Jones House one is especially nice IMO. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:36, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

I just posted the Upper Big Branch miners memorial, I have some close ups of the bronze scuplture I will add later, AND there are JUST a few more updates to go.Coal town guy (talk) 21:40, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Ex-Lists

Consistency? There are many articles that have a separate "removed list" which also has a different table format. Also, if something has been removed then it is no longer on the Register therefore is no longer the same. If the article title is a list of what is currently on the Register then what is removed is no longer applicable and the title is obsolete. Sorry to bust your bubble but this seems to have an air of being too wrapped in a world that when looked at from "outsiders" things can look rather insular. The table of elements no longer lists what was considered an element.A1Houseboy 21:59, 5 May 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by A1Houseboy (talk • contribs)

Coal Miners Memorial

Hey I noted you have a pic of a coal miners memorial. BOTH of the ones I had posted for Bartley WV and the one at Upper Big Branch were flagged as possibly not free. Can you tell me what magic you know of where you knew you did not have to contend with the non free image BS?? Otherwise, I am at the point of never ever posting anything about memorials again.Coal town guy (talk) 01:14, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Which picture of mine are you referring to? Unfortunately, since freedom of panorama doesn't apply to sculptures in the US, pictures of sculptures are technically under copyright. This is applied rather inconsistently, though, and there's a lot of legal gray area, especially when it comes to pictures of the surrounding area, older sculptures that presumably aren't under copyright, and certain things that are questionably sculptures in the first place. A lot of it also comes down to whether somebody wants to press a copyright claim on something; why that regularly happens to you and doesn't happen to me, I don't know (aside from Commons reviewers possibly being more lax about this stuff). TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 02:13, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Here are the ones that were marked that I took THIS and THIS I searched HERE and found NO copyright. However , I found 3 others, cant see yours (sorry), and they are all in the US, all 3d and all being used. It just really chaps my ass sometimes that images are not clearly delineated as to fair and unfair. BUT thats my issue. I very much appreciate the replyCoal town guy (talk) 02:29, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, copyright law in the US is a huge mess and somewhat inconsistent, and Wikipedia reflects and magnifies that sometimes. I found the relevant policy, though, and if the Bartley memorial was created before 1978 (which it appears to be), it should be in the public domain. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 02:38, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Got it, I did take look into the UBB memorial, it is cretainly AFTER 1978, Bartley is WAY before 78, meant to say thanksCoal town guy (talk) 02:42, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

WELL GOLLY I received the reasoning behind the files being flagged. I was told I need to let people know about the objects license as well as the photograph of the object. SO, I thought hey, thats about as arcane as a person can get..SO, I will never ever contribute any photo or data about a memorial. I do not mind rules, honest, I just dont like arcane and vague ones that are used akin to edicts. Its best if I remain encyclopedic on the topic, and just let them be deleted, I am however sincerely appreciative of your help, I do hope others would take your lead and explain tagging certain pics....I guess its just too much to ask.....Coal town guy (talk) 20:37, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Apparently one of the examples you noted was my upload (though not my photograph), because it just got flagged for deletion on Commons. Sorry to hear that, though I can't blame you for not wanting to upload more photos after this; both US copyright law and the way it's interpreted on Wikipedia are fairly draconian. I remember one debate where somebody tried to delete several 1950s Canadian government photos which were out of copyright in Canada years ago, because they might still be under copyright under US law. Their interpretation of the law was wrong and there was zero chance of the Canadian government making a copyright claim, but there still was a long time-wasting debate over it before the photos were eventually kept. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:24, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

I will upload other photos of NRHP pics sure, and yes, still build WV data, but its the way a rule is implemented which is just as important as the ruleCoal town guy (talk) 22:17, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

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Chappells, South Carolina

Hi-Chappells, South Carolina-thanks-RFD (talk) 12:47, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Also Kendrick, Florida-thanks--RFD (talk) 14:49, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

A video visit

HERE is a place to visit, I will try to get the format correct for Wikipedia, trying to remove the video shake, thats in queueCoal town guy (talk) 23:53, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Mikesville, Wisconsin

Hi-I was working on the article about Mikesville, Wisconsin. There is no listing in the GNIS. However, Mikesville is listed in the Winnebago County, Wisconsin DOT map. Did GNIS miss this? Thanks-RFD (talk) 16:27, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

It looks like the GNIS just missed that one. It's not listed on USGS topographic maps either, but placed marked on WisDOT maps are generally legit. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:09, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Progress script error

I'm running the Progress script in another tab now after updating duplicates, but I was just wondering for information's sake what the error was in this diff?--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 10:00, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

The script hit an error on Neosho County, Kansas, so I had to skip it. I'm not entirely sure what caused it, but since I split that list off the main state list in the past week, I suspect it's related to that. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 10:04, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Ah, then it could have been something with your cache. When I ran it, everything went fine (though I fell asleep before it finished), so it had to be something on your end. I usually purge the page/clear my cache before I run the code to avoid any issues like that.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 19:06, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

You're probably right. I've gotten a similar issue in the past after splitting a list (though I aborted the run since there were multiple counties involved), and since the issue resolved itself as soon as someone else ran the code, it's probably on my end. I'll remember to purge the page and clear my cache the next time I run the script. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:26, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Heritage House Museum

Perhaps you remember our discussion about the Heritage House Museum and how I perhaps got the wrong building. Just wanted to let you know that I'm hoping to go through Washington County this weekend, and I may well have a few minutes to detour through Okawville and retry for the Frank Schlosser house. Nyttend (talk) 22:35, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Great! Hopefully between the article and our discussion it's somewhat easier to figure out which properties are which this time. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 23:50, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Got that site, and lots of others; I should be able to add photos for something like a dozen previously unillustrated locations at List of archaeological sites on the National Register of Historic Places in Illinois, and everything's done for Calhoun, Madison, and St Clair Counties. But now I see you're in California, to my surprise? I'd just figured you were in Illinois, since you'd put so much work into Illinois. Nyttend (talk) 13:49, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I used to be in Illinois, but I've been in California for a while now, so I'm fairly active for both states. (A few of the red counties in California were my doing about a year ago, back when I started focusing more on NRHP articles.) Thanks for telling me about your new photos; it gives me a good reason to start working on Illinois again once I finish up the Pasadena list. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 22:36, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I've gradually been trying for a photo of every site in every county that's partially or wholly south of I-70. Well, for a little bit I had it, but not anymore. Now I'm really annoyed, because I walked past the building twice and had no clue that it would be listed just 24 hours later! Too far away to warrant another trip, however. Meanwhile, I'm finally getting going on a comprehensive French Colonial Historic District article; I never did it before because I basically wanted to have summaries for the individually listed sites, so it helps that you've put work into all of them. Nyttend (talk) 16:52, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for getting all those pictures; I've noticed you adding them to all my articles in Madison County over the past few days. Since it's helped me find pictures for several other buildings in East St. Louis, I checked Flickr to see if there were any freely licensed pictures of the new building, but the closest thing seems to be this picture. It unfortunately doesn't seem to focus on the Union Trust Company building, but it might work as a placeholder until we can get a better picture. At any rate, it looks like I have a new article to write.

Speaking of East St. Louis, did you by any chance stop by the Pennsylvania Avenue Historic District? I'm curious as to whether any of the buildings besides the Dunham Museum are still standing. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:26, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

If given the chance, I visit all NR locations, not just the ones that aren't photographed — when I say "trying for a photo of every site south of I-70", I mean I've visited every site personally; this is why the North Liberty Historic District in St. Joseph County is annoying, as it's literally the only NR site in Indiana that I've not visited, other than several behind the fences of Jefferson Proving Ground. So yes, I did visit the Pennsylvania Avenue HD: aside from the museum, absolutely everything's gone, so it's typical of East St. Louis. I've heard before that it's a bad place, but it really felt unique. I've been all over the place in Gary, and I've seen Cairo, but East St Louis was worse than anywhere else I've been: Cairo is almost total desolation, with virtually everything closed and dead, and Gary's a large city that's rotten away to a large extent, but East St Louis combines the desolation of Cairo with the (formerly) large size of Gary. It's hard to see downtown Cairo, but it's never been a big place; they don't have a big built environment with small skyscrapers like Gary, while Gary's not bad in some parts, and you have people walking around in the downtown and driving around elsewhere. East St Louis was weird because there was absolutely nobody — I parked a little west of the Spivey Building, walked past the Union Trust Company, and photographed the Majestic Theater before going back to my car, and in all that time I saw 0 pedestrians and just one car. Several multi-story commercial buildings were completely open to the elements, and everything else was barred to the extreme (I've never before seen building after building with portcullis-covered facades), giving an unparalleled sense of "this was once a sizeable city, and now it's virtually dead". The only reason it felt safer was that there was nowhere for someone to hide and jump out at me, unlike in bad parts of Gary or the worst parts of Cincinnati OH, where I've learned to look over my shoulder frequently. Maybe I'd feel the same (or worse) in Detroit, but I've never been there. Nyttend (talk) 23:13, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

You're much more dedicated than I am; I finally got photos for the rest of the sites in Pasadena, but there are still a bunch I haven't been to (including a few of the NHLs, somewhat embarrassingly). I pretty much expected everything else in that district to be gone, from what I saw in Street View when I was researching that article; I don't know of any other historic districts that have fallen apart like that. East St. Louis is really a uniquely tragic story, mostly for the reasons you said. From what I read about its history, it's had just about everything working against it; economic decline, racial discrimination, industrial pollution, government mismanagement, you name it. And now it seems like it's on its way to becoming abandoned; with those other cities you mentioned (Cairo possibly excepted), it seems like there's at least hope for urban renewal, but I get the impression that East St. Louis gave up hope some time ago. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 00:42, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

"Fallen apart" — that's a good way to put it. I've seen whole districts destroyed, but it's typically in order to build a big new building (example, the East Second Street District, Dayton, Ohio) or because they're a safety hazard (e.g. Glencoe-Auburn Place, Cincinnati), but the result doesn't look quite like Pennsylvania Avenue; at the moment, I can't think of another district that's pretty much all grass and weeds. Maybe some of the concrete houses in Steel City, such as the "all over" link I gave you up above, will be that way before long (several of the Concrete in Steel City MPS listings are 100% abandoned, if I remember rightly), but at least they're still standing and more resistant to destruction. But your comments about East St Louis definitely sound like Cairo, minus the industrial pollution; it's one of those places that I'd long to see in its heyday, but now I wonder if they might just do best to bulldoze everything and start over, since the built environment itself produces a decadent sense. Magically make everyone motivated to restore the town while giving them the financial and human resources to do it, and they'd still be stuck in a near-hopeless state because the lower town (basically everything south of Magnolia Manor) is so run-down and basically irreparable. Nyttend (talk) 01:19, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Standard, Louisiana

Hi-Standard, La Salle Parish, Louisiana, Standard, Vernon Parish, Louisiana-thanks-RFD (talk) 17:06, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:47, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your NRHP Pasadena work

I was just checking out National Register of Historic Places listings in Pasadena, California to see if there were any missing photos I could help fill out, now that I've already done some photos for the neighboring area of List of Los Angeles Historic-Cultural Monuments on the East and Northeast Sides, and I was impressed by the thoroughness of the photos already on the Pasadena list. It looks like a lot of them have been contributed by you, and the result is a great list, so thank you! Dreamyshade (talk) 09:53, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

I'll second that, and congratulations on filling in all the blanks. --jnkyrdsprkl (talk) 21:01, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Stanley, Wisconsin

Hi-You would please look at the Stanley, Wisconsin talk page? An editor is proposing to move the Stanley, Wisconsin article to that of Stanley, Clark County, Wisconsin. Yet-the Stanley, Wisconsin weblink identifies the city of Stanley, Wiscosnin as being in Chippewa and Clark Counties. And there is the Town of Stanley in Barron County, Wisconsin. I feel it would be a mistake to make the proposed move, Thank you as always-RFD (talk) 21:53, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Chi Chil Tah, New Mexico

Hi-Chi Chil Tah, New Mexico-thanks-RFD (talk) 19:06, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

The Center Line: Spring 2014

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Cassatt, South Carolina

Hi-Cassatt, South Carolina-thanks-RFD (talk) 11:27, 9 June 2014 (UTC) Also Grover, South Carolina that was also on Nyttend's zipcode directory-thanks-RFD (talk) 12:24, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi-also Jackson Springs, North Carolina-thanks-RFD (talk) 11:46, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Bridgeport (community), Wisconsin

Hi-Bridgeport (community), Wisconsin=thanks-RFD (talk) 11:46, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi-also Castle Rock (community), Wisconsin-thanks-RFD (talk) 16:07, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

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James Ellwood Jones Video

OH THE PLACES WE CAN GO Thought you might like to see the scale of the placeCoal town guy (talk) 13:51, 20 June 2014 (UTC)