Amyfing

FisherQueen, UMS is not a school club. It is a not-for-profit arts presenting organization that supports itself from ticket sales, grants, etc. I am, however, a student at the University of Michigan and would like to create an article about UMS because I enjoy attending many of their performances. UMS is internationally recognized organization and is consistently ranked with Carnegie Hall and the Lincoln Center as being the best among presenting arts organizations. I certainly hope you deem these organizations as notable - and they certainly have Wikipedia articles!

Nil Einne, I am more than happy to create a new account if this allows me to create an article.

{{helpme}} It looks like you're trying to create an article about your own school club. There are two problems with what you're doing. One is that, as a member of the club, you have a conflict of interest; we don't create articles about ourselves. The other is that is isn't clear how this club meets the notability criteria; normally, clubs that only exist at one school aren't notable enough for an international encyclopedia to need an article about them. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:57, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Another thing, it's generally unadvisable for a variety of reasons to call yourself after an organisation. For more info, check out Wikipedia:Username policy Nil Einne (talk) 16:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

It it's internationally recognised then it should easily meet the Wikipedia criteria for notability, particularly the ones here. The article needs to assert notability (not just "is notable", please!) and cite the verifiable authorities who record this. Some links that might help you in preparing your article are:

• The five pillars of Wikipedia
• Tutorial
• How to edit a page
• How to write a great article
• Manual of Style

Hope those help! Tonywalton ^Talk 16:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Further: there may be some confusion here. I see an article under that title was created back in June by Erikabean and was deleted as it did not appear to be notable. The aticle was then made into a "redirect" (which bounces readers straight to another article, in this case University Music Society). Is your problem that you wish to create a brand new article and can't because there's already a "redirect" at University Musical Society, or that you want to know how to create an article at all? I see you haven't made any article edits at all yet. Tonywalton ^Talk 16:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Gotcha. You just answered my previous question. Any redirect can be edited, just click on the link on the target of the redirection that says "Redirected from [[whatever]]". However in your specific case since the term "University Musical Society" is rather generic it may be better to be a bit more elegant than simply editing the redirect (that way people just looking for the generic term won't be confused by going straight to somewhere specific that they weren't expecting). Give me a few minutes to think of some strategies to run by you.

One thing you could do immediately is start the article in your own user space - call it what you will (User:Amyfing/Sandbox or User:Amyfing/University Musical Society for example). It's easy enough to move articles about.

I'd consider re-registering under a new username as well, as Nil Einne suggests. Tonywalton ^Talk 16:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

OK - that's how easy it is to move a page - your old talkpage at UMS (I can't be bothered to type it over and over again ☺) is now your talkpage here. As for editing redirects, I meant the following

1. Go to University Musical Society
2. On the resulting page, at the top, just below "From Wikipedia..." you'll see a link - "Redirected from University Musical Society. Click on that blue link. The resulting page is editable.

As for "elegant" sorry if I wasn't clear - I wasn't referring to the name of the UMS, I was thinking about how to craft an article, and/or redirects, and/or what are called "disambiguation" or ("dab") pages - University Music Society is one - to make things as clear as possible for readers of the encyclopædia, which is what all this Wikipedia stuff is about! I've a couple of ideas, let me find you example pages that use the strategies I'm thinking about and we'll take it from there. Tonywalton ^Talk 17:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Your changed page is there, just as you'd expect. The article as it stands is likely to be deleted, though, as it doesn't really conform to Wikipedia standards. One thing it doesn't really do is assert notability of the UMS. I see that your Chorall Union is Grammy Award standard; this (at least) needs mention, for example. How about following my suggestion above and creating it in your user space, where we (and others) can polish it before putting it in the main encyclopædia? Tonywalton ^Talk 17:11, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem. If you need anything, give me a shout (or use {{helpme}} or talk to FisherQueen or Nil Einne or anyone else). By the way, you may like to take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Music if you're musically-inclined. Tonywalton ^Talk 17:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Me again. Sorry if this seems confusing yet again but I've moved that page to User:Amyfing/University Musical Society. Your "user page" (User:Amyfing) is intended to be about you and your activities on Wikipedia, not to be an article intended for publication. You can edit the article freely at User:Amyfing/University Musical Society. Tonywalton ^Talk 17:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

University Musical Society

Please do not add copyright material from other sites as you did here. All the text that you added for performance venues has been removed as potentially copyvio. BlueValour (talk) 19:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I have also removed the History section that was lifted from here. BlueValour (talk) 19:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC)