Wikipedia:New contributors' help page/Archive 20060301

Please note: This is an archive of everything posted at Wikipedia:Clueless Newbies from feb 24th 2006 until and including march 1st 2006. Do not edit this page.

Translations

I was thinking of translating some articles, and I wonder if there are any specific details that I need to have in mind. I managed to put my thoughts into two questions, as follows;

1. Could I just translate an article from my native language (swedish) to english, or do I need to tell someone I intend to do so and get an okay, or otherwise be part of some translator-program and get pages assigned to me, rather than just pick the ones I feel like?

2. Can I translate a longer (and better) article, or parts of one, from english to swedish? I read somewhere that it usually wasn't done that way, or shouldn't be done that way, but I don't understand why. A recent example is the Starcraft-article, of which the english version is almost perfect and holds a lot more info than the Swedish article, which I then (before getting around to ask this) tried to improve and fill up without copying from the english one.

Thank you for your time. --Almgren

Wikipedia:Translation into English may be of interest. My thoughts are that it's fine to just go ahead and translate anything you like. However, it's a good idea to explain where the information came from in the edit summary, and also leave a note on the talk page explaining where the new material came from.--Commander Keane 02:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Yet another inquiry on uploading images and copyrights

I am researching information on some historic motorsports figures, their racing team, and some of their drivers. I found a website owned and operated by the son of one of the now deceased team owners and sent him an email asking for use of some of his images of their race cars and drivers on wikipedia.

"I am currently researching information on John Smith, Ralph Jones, and Smith-Jones Motorsports for articles on wikipedia.org. In case you are unfamiliar with it, Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia of sorts. I found the Smith-Jones Motorsports website and was impressed with the information and photos you have online. As part of these articles, I would like to be able to include pictures of Messers. Smith and Jones as well as some of the race cars that have been built. Would you be willing to allow use of some of the copyrighted photos that are on your website to be used on wikipedia? "

His response was, "I would be happy to provided what I have for the listings." His website has a copyright notice at the bottom.

After digging through the legalese of the wikipedia policies and the numerous policy debates, I am still not sure if these images are uploadable and useable, and if they are what tags to put on them.

Can anyone put this issue into plain english? --Dspillmann 02:25, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

As explained in {{Copyrighted}}, we cannot accept copyright images, even with the owner's permission. The only way to use these motorsports images is if they have a free licence (or if they are Fair use). The website owner may not wish to release the image uder a free licence, since s/he will lose all their ownership. If you want the images, I suppose you should ask the owner to release them under a free licence (or even upload them to Wikipedia themself).--Commander Keane 02:37, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Sounds like bureaucratic silliness, but I understand the legal restraints a little better now too. -- Dspillmann 05:10, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

For other ideas for letters see Wikipedia:Boilerplate requests for permission these will be more specific and technically accurate for getting free licensure. - cohesion★talk 08:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Transmission and distribution

why do we earth the neutral wire taking all the neutral wires from our homes near the transformer? what will happen if we ground the neutral wire in our home? thank you for your love and support

your factual question has been moved to the reference desk and is now located here - cohesion★talk 08:10, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

conection with some-one that is dying

Is it true that some people have a connection with people and they can feel what they are going through and can see them dying and seeing visions of love ones .

CHEERS Ćð

Hello! Your question is more appropriate for the Wikipedia Reference Desk. I've moved it and you can read any answers here. — QuantumEleven | (talk) 09:56, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

How do I use Wikipedia for shared groupwork functions

I am a student at California State University San Marcos. My student team and I are working on a semester long collaborative project. I'd like to find out how to use Wikipedia to allow my group to all work on our research paper and various spread sheet matrixis as well as notes pages as helpful links. This is not necessarily something that would be worked on by the general Wikipedia community. I've read that these Wiki groups have been formed in the past and I'd like to find out the best way to set one up for my group. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, --MRWOJCIK

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia first so I am not sure that the content you listed would be appropriate for inclusion. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:No original research for the related policies. If what you would like is just the software that runs wikipedia (mediawiki) that is free and open-source and available here. Installation of that software would give you your own personal wiki like wikipedia that you could use for whatever purposes you wanted. You would also have much more control over the pages etc. If you were looking for a wiki that was hosted (meaning you didn't have to install the software on servers and maintain it I would try wikicities although I'm not sure based on the size you quote whether that would be within their policies. If you are generally looking for online groupwork functionality in a hosted environment here are some non-mediawiki sites that might be appropriate.

• Jotspot
• basecamp
• backpack

- cohesion★talk 18:46, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Oleton, Devon, England

Is there such a city in Devon, and where is it located on a map. George Dixon

Best to ask this kind of question on the reference desk. - Akamad 23:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

hello

hello my name is justin lafferty and i need some help for some school work and i can not find the answer

this is from “The Pardoner’s Tales” by Geoffrey Chaucer

1. How does the Pardoner personigy death?

2) What oath did the three men swear?

3) What figure of speech is devil’s clay?

4) What was the subsequent action?

5) What is the theme of “The Pardoner’s Tale”?

and if anyone could give me the answers for these questions i would appreciate it alot

thanks

Best to ask this kind of question on the reference desk. - Akamad 23:18, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Puerperal fever

When I was born in England in 1935 my mother contracted Puerperal fever. I would like to know what medical treatment was given to patients suffering from Puerperal fever at that time. My mother was ill for 5 years and part of this time she was confined in a facility for the mentally ill. I cannot understand why this was done to her. I hope you can find something in your archives that will shed some light on this subject --Diana1 21:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Best to ask this kind of question on the reference desk. - Akamad 23:19, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I have just registered and I am told

that I should read the introduction, tutorial,and first article. I have looked for these topics, but so far have not found them. This does look like an interesting site and I am hoping it will end up directing me to any Toth families originally from Bodrog Halasz or Sarospatak. Please help. I live in Oil City, PA.

Here you go, Wikipedia:Introduction, Wikipedia:Tutorial, Wikipedia:Your first article. - Akamad 23:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

how do I wrap text in a nice box

I know that if I start my line with a space before it I will get nice looking text.

But what do I do if I want a really large amount of text in a box, because then I would really rather like Wikipedia to wrap the text for me? I know by starting the line with a space I asked it to ignore formating, but how do I get the effect I want?

Brusselsshrek 23:28, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Answered on user's talk page. - Akamad 23:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

And where, I pray, might I find that? Brusselsshrek 23:34, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Your talk page is located at User talk:Brusselsshrek. Or you can click "my talk" at the top of the page.--Commander Keane 23:42, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

alan fyfe

Sir,

I want to know the CAST of Dr Rajendra Prasad, the first president of India

Thanks Aman <email removed>

The best place to ask this question is on the reference desk. By the way I removed your email address because posting it on such high traffic sites such as Wikipedia can lead to you receiving spam. - Akamad 04:14, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

definition

what is yoselebitch?

There are some murmurrings about this "word" over at Talk:Bitch.--Commander Keane 02:49, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

how to literally answer and resolve pending deletions

Thank you for helping. I am having a hard time understanding directions on how to answer people who have deemed my article worth deleting and to show my side as to why it should not be deleted. I pulled up my article and saw a box saying the article is up for deletion and I clicked into that box and found all the comments. The directions said to respond, go to the "Talk" page and I clicked into the top tab that said "discussion" but it was empty. I didn't see any "Talk" page. I copied out "What Wikipedia is not" and I still think I deserve consideration. I tried clicking directly into one of the comment people, but their pages were of archived comments. How do I technically answer each commenter? The dispute box and "asking for advocacy assistance" didn't give me specific directions either to help me understand the techniques to actualy ask an advocate a question, and I could find no advocate that would have understood the sensitivity of my article. So I have 3 questions: 1) in that what I wrote about is permitted in other similar circumstances, 2) the comments were by all men (I beleive) and some of the comments were extremely rude by my standards, and 3) the advocates I tried to find were also all men whose comments in their other advocacies I feel would not be sensitive in understanding my article, which is an article about a Christian woman. The only good concensus was that the article was well-written. I am not a technical person and need help!

mshafbMshafb 15:35, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

answering on talk page - cohesion★talk 19:23, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Talk page?

I searched for 'Variable Compression Engine' and found a page that asked for information on the subject. I folled the instructions but it ended up on the 'Talk Page'. How does the entry get moved to the subject page? Should I do it or wait for a response on the 'Talk Page'?

The problem is some confusion about the template asking for expansion. Based on the wording of the template the person adding it might write on the talk page why they wanted it expanded etc. People often don't do this because why they want an article expanded is often obvious :D Anyway, you don't need to wait to move articles from the talk page to the main page, and you could have edited the main page originally. I moved the content to the main page now and did some minor changes. Thanks for adding that information though! - cohesion★talk 20:03, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

How do I create a new article?

I was wondering if some1 could explain how 2 create a new article? Thanks Pikay234 19:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

The easiest way is to visit Help:Starting a new page, enter the article title in the box, and click "Create page". Don't be too worried about getting the formatting and style correct, someone will fix it later (or you can ask me to).--Commander Keane 19:40, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

How do you contribute?

This will sound strange but i'm totally new, how do you contibute?--—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jackbergin (talk • contribs) .

Every page has an "Edit this page" button. If you are reading an article and see something you can improve, edit the page and change it.--Commander Keane 19:40, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Though it does sound a bit strange, since by asking the question you've managed to contribute an edit :). Of course, if you meant how do I contribute financially, see Donation methods.GeeJo _{(t) (c)} • 17:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

new

what is it all about how to make money out of ebooks

The best place to ask factual questions like this one is the Reference desk--Commander Keane 23:56, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

" EDIT" in the Margin/ Archiving

1.In a long scroll of Talk, how do I get "EDIT" in the margin?

2,How do I archive an overlong Talk page?

1. the section edit buttons will appear if someone makes a section break, this page for example has a lot of section breaks so if you see edits on each of these new questions you have the option turned on. If you don't you can turn it on in your preferences, go to editing, then enable section editing. If there is a section that is very long though it still won't have edit links.

2. see Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page although the short answer is most people just copy the text into a new sub-page - cohesion★talk 05:35, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Copyrighted Wikipedia Article?

Hi - I went to visit the page on Pseudoxanthoma Elasticum to see what condition it was in. When I took a look at the Talk page, I saw a claim that the author had copyrighted the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pseudoxanthoma_elasticum

Is such a copyright notice kosher? Does that affect editing the article in any way? --Pansophia 03:24, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

(Ps. It's ok to answer on my Talk page)

answering on talk page - cohesion★talk 05:42, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

what is a skelton?

Your factual question has been moved to the reference desk and is located here - cohesion★talk 05:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Page Moves

Hi, I have just come across this page which is obviously meant to be someones user page rather than in the article namespace. Is there any policy I have to follow to get it moved/merged? Grandwazir 10:16, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

If you mean this page, as in this page that we are using right now, it's not a user page, it's a page where newcomers to wikipedia can find help. If you are using this in a more general way, please link the page so that we can check it out and see what's going on. Looking at your edit history it might be 2Js: seeks info (single, married, divorced, re-married) which you proposed for deletion. If that is the page you're talking about you handled it correctly. Feel free to read WP:CSD for articles that can be speedy deleted as well. I think proposed deletion is fine for that article but here is some background just to be informative :) The proposed deletion mechanism you used is in a trial run, and should be used for things that don't fall under WP:CSD and that are non-controversial (they should go to WP:AFD.

If you're talking about another page entirely, please link it here so that someone can look :) - cohesion★talk 19:04, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Text and Image Copyright Confusion

What a great place. I just created an account. Did quite a bit of reading, but don't understand in simple terms if my problem is solved here.

I'm creating my first web site in XHTML and am writing a family photojournal as my learning tool. It has tons of photos that I prefer to protect with copyright on the web site. We may SOMEDAY (no time soon) use the site commercially to sell bonsais and arts & crafts products.

(1) Does not our copyright exlamation at the bottom of the site protect the images even though there are no tags? Do PhotoShop watermarks carry any weight?

(2) Is it possible to use articles verbatim about bonsai from Wikipedia and create a copyright that explains that the use of text is GNU-free-licensed, but the graphics, indeed, remain copyrighted solely to us on our web site if we follow the example page that references GNU and Wikipedia? Thanks for the help.

--InMyWords

Hi! I think your question may be more appropriate for the Wikipedia Reference Desk - I've copied your question, you can read any answers here. — QuantumEleven | (talk) 09:45, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

X-Ray and Dental Problem

Ten year back I was working some electricity work during my working one copper wire inserted in my gum, I immediate went to the doctor and told him the entire thing doctor diagnose but did not take x-ray and told there is nothing, Time to time I went to the different doctor and told them the entire story doctor did not believe me and said if there is wire in your gum there must be some swelling and infection in the gum but there was nothing, but there is a continuously feeling that wire is in my gum

Recently one month back I went to doctor and he took two X-Ray but he did not find any thing in my gum he operate my gum and saw through high resolution Camera but result was zero, but to day as on date 27/2/2006 my tongue feeling that wire get loose and displaced Doctor say nothing is their every thing is all right it is all physiological but I feel that wire is in my gum

Pl. Answer the following

1) Can a metal wire dissolved automatically after this long period 2) If metal wire is exact behind the teeth it can be seen through X-Ray 3) In what condition Metal wire does not show image through X-Ray

Pl. suggest me the right direction and right test

I think your question is more appropriate for the Wikipedia Reference Desk, so I've copied it to there and you can read any answers here. However, please note that, as a rule, we do not give medical advice, and you should always talk about such issues with your doctor. — QuantumEleven | (talk) 09:50, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

How to view the articals of our choice?

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chinthalpudi (talk • contribs) 12:21, February 27, 2006 (UTC).

If you're asking how you can find articles you're interested in, the best way is to type what you're looking for into the Search box (in the left column, halfway down). If you have any more specific questions or problems, post them here! Have fun using Wikipedia. — QuantumEleven | (talk) 13:26, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Author of an Article

How can I tell the author of an article? Aside from the editors, I cannot find who wrote the original article. ---142.163.242.210

The editors did write the article. Go to the history tab, and choose Earliest. That is who started the article. KillerChihuahua^?!? 15:10, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

If you're looking for the author in order to cite the article in question (for instance, for an academic paper), citing wikipedia might be of interest to you. — QuantumEleven | (talk) 16:08, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Kid Musculo

qué es un Arturo Córdova???__Roach729 17:34, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

ATRA MARKETED AS VESINOID

I FOUND THIS PRODUCT INFO ON YOUR WEB SITE AND AM TRYING TO FIND WHERE TO BUT IT, CAN YOU HELP? JOANNE)----)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by RMAZZ (talk • contribs) .

Wikipedia isn't an advertising venue, although we do have factual information about drugs and other products sometimes there is no way within wikipedia to obtain these items. We're not selling anything here. If you were interested in purchasing something you see here you should use the normal purchasing channels available to you for that product type. - cohesion★talk 19:37, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

California Interstate 91

I was wondering how the 91 is a east/west freeway when all odd freeway numbers are suppose to be north/south?

The best place to ask this kind of question is on the reference desk. - Akamad 03:04, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

GOSPEL

are there times when we need to judge?

This kind of question is rather subjective and thus difficult to answer. But the best place to ask factual questions would be the reference desk. You might get a response there. - Akamad 03:03, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

uploading text file

How do I upload a text file (my own writing) from my hard drive to my userpage?

--Pring

Answered on user's talk page. - Akamad 03:02, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories for deletion results question

Wikipedia:Categories for deletion:

I have currently placed a proposal on Wikipedia:Categories for deletion for a catagory merge. It was posted on Feb. 21. So far two people have replied, one who votes for a reverse merge and one for a merge. The person who voted for the merge even replied it was that user's own fault for creating duplicate catagory in the first place. My question is: When will my discussion turn into a blue box like the rest and the proper merge/deletion of the catagories take place? Do I have to turn the discussion into a blue box and decide the final outcome? Or does an admin take care of everything for me? After how long is a result made? Is their a minimum number of votes needs on any certain side? Thank you for your help. Bobo is soft 03:38, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

After 7 days (8th day often) an admin will look at the consensus and merge, delete etc. At that time they will add the blue box which marks the discussion as closed. - cohesion★talk 06:50, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

What if I do not "hear" the audio files?

Dear sirs, I am unable to listen to the audio files in Wikipedia. Do I need any special software? where can I download it? I am using an ibook G4 with OS X 10.3.9. Thanks for your help. --81.236.179.116 09:14, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

The audio files are in the Vorbis format. the official Vorbis website has a list of apps you can use for Mac OS X. Hope that helps. --LBMixPro^{<Speak|on|it!>} 13:12, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Can't login today

Yesterday I created my account using username "gvasquez", but now I can't login. I've pressed the "e-mail my password" button, but still have received no password at all. What could be wrong? Yesterday everything was OK, I even uploaded a photo to the Albatross page, and this morning somehow (cookies perhaps) the site remembered me, and "told me" that I had a new talk available, I answered it and then when I opened a new browser window I couldn't login.

Have you tried closing and reopening your browser (all the way, not just the current browser window)? Also, when you say you "can't log in", do you mean your password is not recognised, or a different problem? If you told Wikipedia to e-mail you your password, be patient - that can sometimes take an hour or two if traffic is very heavy. Are you sure you input the right e-mail address when you created an account? — QuantumEleven | (talk) 15:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Updates

When was the last time you updated this website, the reason I want to know this is because I am doing a report and have used this website for information and my teacher said to find when was the website last updated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.230.177.37 (talk • contribs)

This minute! Seriously look at the recent changes. If you want to see edits to a particular article click on the 'history' tab at the top. Petros471 21:06, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

How far

How far is Flachau, Austria from Torino, Italy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.34.246.172 (talk • contribs)

You're better off asking factual questions like this at the reference desk. Petros471 21:10, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

my page doesn't come up when i search for it

how long does it take for this to happen? (since i want to send the link to everyone i know!)--Caljess 00:53, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Your page, which I assume is Adriano Tilgher (philosopher), was available as soon as you saved it. Include the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriano_Tilgher_(philosopher) in the email and your friends will be able to read it.

It doesn't show up in a search because the search index is only updated every week or so, and thus is usually out-of-date. However, if you type in "Adriano Tilgher (philosopher)" in the search box and hit "Go" you will be taken there (the "Go" button isn't out-of-date like "Search").--Commander Keane 06:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

getting started?

How do I make my own 'info-page' and assign myself to certain groups, e.g., Irish, Student, etc? Thanks--PaddyM 02:47, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Answered on user's talkpage.--Commander Keane 05:58, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

lost-- I'm really a newbie

Don't even know how to ask a question. But I'll try. Does anyone know of any fader software for yahoo i.m.? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jeffwhat41 (talk • contribs) 06:29, March 1, 2006 (UTC).

Answered on user's talkpage. The heading directly below this ("lost again") is by the same user. - Akamad 07:13, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Merging and categories

I have read the merge process guidelines and last night I put merge tags on a pair of pages, so now I am waiting to see if there are any objections. Assuming, there are no objections, it doesn't say what to do about category tags on the mergefrom page, that ends up as a redirect. Do I remove these? Viv Hamilton 10:14, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if there is an official policy on this, but the common-sense action would be to remove them from the mergefrom page and place them (assuming there are no duplicates or redundancies) on the mergeto page. I'm not even sure that catergories work properly on redirect pages - it would be a daft implementation if they did. — QuantumEleven | (talk) 11:15, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I wasn't sure if there was some form of synonyms template, that worked with category listings and showed terms that were redirected to what was in the category list. On the other hand, I suppose if there was such a template, it wouldn't need categories on the redirects pages anyway! Viv Hamilton 11:33, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

HOw do I make an article come up on a google search?

For example, if I start an article abt a language called hipuhitso, if i search hipuhitso on google, i want the wikipedia article to come up. But at the moment my article doesn't come up.Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pikay234 (talk • contribs) 13:09, March 1, 2006 (UTC)

You have to wait until Google updates its page listing, I'm not sure how often thay do this, every day or so I would guess. - Akamad 12:30, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

New page

How do I start a new page?

Pauline —Preceding unsigned comment added by LaurynK (talk • contribs) 16:14, 1 March 2006

Click on a redlink, or simply type the name of the desired article into the Search box and click Go. You'll get a blank page to start your article. Let me know if I can help further. KillerChihuahua^?!? 16:30, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Is there a phonetic look up option?

I do not know how to spell what I need to look up. Is there a way to search phonetically or are there search wildcards that I can use? --12.74.140.116 17:45, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

No phonetic search; however you might want to use Google's site search. Google often suggests alternate spellings. Alternatively, you could try searching for different spellings until you find the article you want, or go to a related subject and see if there is a link from that article. KillerChihuahua^?!? 17:54, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Often using only the terms you do know is helpful. For example if you are looking for some remote pacific island and you can't remember the spelling, try searching for "pacific island" instead. - cohesion★talk 17:56, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

list of books on diaries omission

Why are my two books on diaries not included? One of them (Centuries) was awarded an MLA prize for best book. The books are 1/"Centuries of Female Days:Englishwomen's Private Diaries," Rutgers UP, 1988 and Gloucester, England: Alan Sutton, 1989; reissued in paper by Rutgers 1991; 2/ "'Capacious Hold-All':An Anthology of Englishwomen's Diary Writings," ed. Harriet Blodgett, Charlotteville: UP of Virginia; also as "The Englishwomen's Diary," London: Fourth Estate, 1992.

hblodget@dcn.org

I have copied your query to Talk:List of books on diaries and journals. KillerChihuahua^?!? 18:59, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

define arbitrator

Try wiktionary for definitions. Or, if you mean a WP arbitrator, WP:RFAR is as good a place to familiarize yourself with arbcom as any. KillerChihuahua^?!? 18:55, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Bullriding

how do bullride?

Have a look at the bull riding article. In future, the best fastest method of finding such info is to use the search box on the left handside of the page. - Akamad 23:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Motorcycle classes

I would like to enroll in the next available motorcycle class for your school. I know Cerritos is much closer, but I have really great things about your school.

Please rush !!!!! Thanx

(removed contact details)

Preferably after 3/20/06

Are you sure you meant to post this here? This is Wikipedia, an online encyclopedia. You can read about Motorcycles, but not sure you can learn much else about them here! Petros471 21:25, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

question

hi there i am wondering if you could send me some information on desmond tutu through the post as i have a project to do on him many thanks kirsten

please send me an email back to (email removed)

• I emailed you a response, and removed your email address to save it getting caught by spammers. Petros471 21:30, 1 March 2006 (UTC)