Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User conduct disputes archive/Levzur

User:Levzur repeatedly makes POV changes to Republic of Georgia pages, and will not discuss them. RickK 00:56, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

(User:Levzur | talk | contributions) Continues to remove of modify large blocks of text from Eduard Shevardnadze, Mikheil Saakashvili, Zviad Gamsakhurdia, and other articles related to Georgia for political reasons. His edits are very anti-Shevardnadze; he created a link to Zviad's memorial page in Shevardnadze's article when the link had nothing to do with the content of the article. --TwinsFan48

Dear TwinsFan48, President Zviad Gamsakhurdia was jailed many times by Eduard Shevardnadze. Shevardnadze was also organizer of the coup d'etat of December-January, 1991-1992. Levzur

Maybe this would be better under Wikipedia:Problem users. Maximus Rex 02:29, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I've had quite a few problems with Levzur as well - see the Talk:Zviad Gamsakhurdia page. He also appears to have created a page about himself at Levan Urushadze. I thought this was against the rules? -- ChrisO 01:01, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

We appear to have an edit war going on Zviad Gamsakhurdia. Levzur keeps making POV changes which I and others are reverting, but he appears to have no interest in discussion and brushes off questions - see Talk:Zviad Gamsakhurdia. I would be grateful if someone could lock the page until such time as Levzur sees fit to discuss his changes. -- ChrisO 08:21, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

There's definitely no meeting of minds yet on Talk:Zviad Gamsakhurdia - apparently I'm a "misinformator", whatever one of those might be. However, Levzur has managed to identify one genuine error which I would be grateful if an administrator could fix. The sentence The political dispute turned violent on September 2, when an anti-government demonstration in Tblisi was dispersed by police with the reported loss of several lives. should be changed to The political dispute turned violent on September 2, when an anti-government demonstration in Tblisi was forcibly dispersed by police. But please leave the page protected until the remaining disputed points are resolved. -- ChrisO 11:45, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Levzur continues to make controversial edits that he refuses to discuss. Now he keeps removing Lavrenty Beria from the List of Georgians. --Wik 04:06, Jan 11, 2004 (UTC)

I guessed this was because Beria isn't an ethnic Georgian, and so added another person who wasn't an ethnic Georgian to the list. He now keeps removing this one too. Morwen 10:19, Jan 11, 2004 (UTC)

Stalin, Beria, Shevardnadze, Ioseliani are ethnic Georgians, but they are great enemies for Georgia and Georgian people!!!!! Levzur

Well, that's a problematic assessment. The moral standing of any of these men is not under debate. The page's purpose is to list people who are Georgians. Whether or not they were good people is completely irrelevant. Hitler was obviously a bad man, but he is still listed at List of Austrians. Leon Trotsky might be considered a great enemy of the Jewish people, given his complete lack of sympathy for the Jews of Russia, and his behavior during the civil war, but he is still listed at List of Jews. Clearly Levzur has issues, at least with regards to Georgian subjects, that lead to problematic, POV edits. john 06:24, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Levzur is a Georgian nationalist crank with poor English. I don't think he understands what an encyclopaedia is. Someone should give him a warning and if he persists he should be banned. Adam 09:58, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I think he understands very well but doesn't want to play by the rules. I've already explained them at great length on various Talk pages, including his own User Talk page, but he has either ignored or simply deleted these suggestions (see [1]). I'm done trying to help him - it's pointless. -- ChrisO 11:07, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I still think it is pretty good that we actually have a contributor from the CIS editing articles on that area. Yes he has a POV, but he has also provided lots of extra information. He needs watching (and reverting if necessary), but not banning. Secretlondon 15:11, Jan 12, 2004 (UTC)

Levzur's nationalist POV makes him useless as a contributor. I also wish that there would be well-informed contributors from the CIS, but I'm willing to wait until someone without an agenda comes along. "He needs watching" is an understatement, sadly -- watching him would be somebody's full time job. He has already salted the Etruscan civilization, Lusitania, and Pelasgians articles with his "all roads lead to Georgia" propaganda, and we have every reason to expect more of the same. I recommend banning him. Wile E. Heresiarch 06:07, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

And as a matter of fact I think he is right about Beria. My memory is that Beria was Mingrelian, not quite the same as Georgian. Adam 00:07, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Dear Adam, please note, that Mingrelians (Megrels), Imeretians, Guruls, Ajarians, Svans, Rachvels, Lechkhumians, Kakhetians, Kartlis, Meskhs (Meskhetians), Khevsurs, Tushetians are ethnic Georgians, - they are ethnographic groups of Georgian People!!! Levzur, Jan. 13 2004

Precisely - it's a list of people from Georgia, not people who are ethnic Georgians. -- ChrisO 11:31, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

User ChrisO did not understand the sense of my remark! I wrote about ethnographic groups of the Georgian People, not about the list of Georgians! His remark, to tell the truth, is so curious, that may pretend on the Guinness laurels. Levzur 14 Jan 2004

Here we go again... Levzur is now constantly deleting additions to Georgian Orthodox and Apostolic Church based on an article by the Catholic Near East Welfare Association, as well as deleting a link to that article, because (in his words) "I BELIEVE THAT A CATHOLIC-WRITTEN HISTORY OF THE GEORGIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH IS INVALID!" Yet again, he is refusing to discuss his edits. I would be grateful if someone could lock Georgian Orthodox and Apostolic Church and this time, please, give him a warning - he seems to believe that Wikipedia is a bully pulpit for him to promote his POV without anyone else being allowed to make changes. -- ChrisO 08:48, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)