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Islam

The Life and Religion of Mohammed

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Fails WP:NOTBOOK. I can find no sources on the book or the author of the book, other than catalogue or sales listings. Article has been tagged for notability since 2012. Johnj1995 (talk) 04:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Literature, Islam, and India. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 06:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. There are 5 articles mentioning the book in ProQuest, but only brief mentions. None feature the book as their primary topic. Astaire (talk) 21:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (of AP Sunnis)

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The previous history of the organization Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama, which was formed in 1926[1], was corrected on the page In 1989[2], a new organization was formed after resigning from this organization due to differences in ideas And the person who wrote the article made a full correction on the first page intentionally / for his own people (WP:CONFLICT),WP:PE and added the previous established year to the new page and wrote the new page in a promotional style. More content from the first page is also included in the new page ~ Spworld2 (talk) 16:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: India, and Kerala~~ Spworld2 (talk) 16:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I could not see it there. If it necessary, feel free to add it there too. Neutralhappy (talk) 19:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 July 10. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 10:14, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations and Islam. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:48, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Though Spworld2 says to have included this discussion in the deletion sorting lists for Kerala and India, I could not see it. Is its inclusion necessary there? If yes, you being successful in adding this in deletion sorting lists for organizations and Islam, fee free to add this discussion to the same of Kerala and India. Neutralhappy (talk) 19:17, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do not delete page on Hitler, USA, Samastha of AP Sunnis and EK Sunnis just because there are people who have COI. Content is to determined using the reliable sources. I am neutral in this. That is why I say "(of AP Sunnis)" and "(EK Sunnis)". Both the AP and EK Sunnis claim their respective Samasthas is the real one. I can show that. So accepting one group's only claim could be CONFLICT OF INTEREST, especially in Wikipedia where Ahmadiyyas are categorised alongside Muslims. Reliable sources call Samastha of AP Sunnis "Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama".I am sorry to say calling for its deletion must be nothing other than COI since reliable sources do not support that claim. Neutralhappy (talk) 11:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very reliable The Hindu calls the Samastha of AP Sunnis "Samastha Kerala Jamiyyathul Ulama". There are numerous other sources that say the same. Neutralhappy (talk) 11:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dool News calls Samastha of AP Sunnis a Samastha (AP Samastha).
Mathrubhumi.com calls Samastha of AP Sunnis a Samastha (AP Samastha)
Times of India also calls Samastha of AP Sunnis a Samastha. Moreover this terms the Samastha "Samastha Kerala Jem Iyyathul Ulama"
Scroll.in says there are two different Samasthas
OnManorama.com calls the Samastha of AP Sunnis a Samastha and mentions "Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama"
News 18 says there are two Samasthas.
Arab News calls Samastha of AP Sunnis a "Samastha"
The New Indian Express calls Samastha of AP Sunnis "Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama".
Manoramanews.com says there are two Samasthas.
Thejas News calls Kanthapuram's Samatha is Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama.
Kerala Kaumudi calls AP Sunnis' Samastha "Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama"

Neutralhappy (talk) 13:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The organization has been featured on the websites of many reliable newspapers including The Hindu. Youknow? (talk) 07:44, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think, It's more than just a conflict of interest. According to government records, the name "Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama" is registered exclusively for the Samastha (EK Sunni's). Therefore, the claim made by the Ap Sunni's is not relevant. The government records tend to be more reliable than media sources Iyas Muhammed kc (talk) 14:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Policy :

Naming is to be done as per the Wikipedia policy. It is not the government that decides in what name an organization should be known, but rather publicity, which in turn is used by reliable sources. So It do this as per naming policy of Wikipedia. See WP:NC. Hence "Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama (of AP Sunnis)" is apparently the best choice because this contains both the term "Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama" and the term "AP Sunnis". This is because the term "Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama" is needed to identify the organization because that is how it is widely referred to and the term "AP Sunnis" is added after the name to avoid confusion". The part "(of AP Sunnis)" is used in the bracket to understand that it is not part of the name. The terms "AP Sunnis" and "EK Sunnis" are widely used. So I recommend the name of the article must have two things: one is the name which is widely used and the other one is another widely used term "AP Sunnis". Other possible names lack these advantages. Hence keep the article.

Relevance :

As for your (Iyas Muhammad kc) claim, here we can watch a Malayalam video in which Perod Abdurahman Saqafi, belonging to the AP Sunnis, made the same but opposite claim that as per the government's register office, Samastha of AP Sunnis exists there. But it is not relevant here. Neutralhappy (talk) 19:35, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

However, the discussion here is about deleting an article, not moving an article. Even if you have problem with the name, it can be solved by moving the article after a discussion. Deletion is not needed. Again there is no need of deleting the article. Neutralhappy (talk) 19:41, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What does this mean? Neutralhappy (talk) 20:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 08:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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