Wikipedia:Featured and good topic removal candidates/Kingdom Hearts/archive1

Kingdom Hearts

Unfortunately, Kingdom Hearts coded has not reached GA during the topic's retention period. As such, the topic does not meet Wikipedia:Featured topic criteria and should be removed. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:57, 23 February 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Weak keep - I'm not sure that the given retention period is fair. Kingdom Hearts coded hasn't yet been released outside Japan, and I question whether the fact that it is yet to be released elsewhere means that the article is in fact not yet able to become a GA at this time. If this is the case, then obviously there should be a new retention period of three months starting from the release date in North America/Europe, and the just expired retention period should be scrapped as unfair - rst20xx (talk) 16:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Agree with this reasoning. Lack of a western release makes it difficult to promote the article to the quality needed for a GA. It has undergone a PR, so it should be ok. --MASEM 16:55, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - What if is never released outside Japan? It strikes me as highly possible that the release may be restricted to Japan, after all it is only a mobile phone game. I would be against this article as being permentantly audited as it has in fact been released. The fact that is was only in Japan, although making the article harder to write, is just an unfortunate coincidence. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 16:57, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment on Western release: So far, the only games not released outside Japan are Kingdom Hearts Final Mix (rereleased version with minor content additions), Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix (another rerelease), and Kingdom Hearts coded. The first mobile game for the VCAST was released 4 months after the Japanese release. Recently, Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories (an enhanced 3D remake) made its way to North America 7 months after the Japanese release. The trend implies it will be released in outside Japan, something that has been reported by the gaming press as well. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 17:08, 23 February 2009 (UTC))[reply]
- Whoops, wrong game title. "Kingdom Hearts II" → "Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix". (Guyinblack25 ^talk 17:28, 23 February 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Response to Rambo - if the game is not to be released outside Japan, this would become apparent at some point (soon I would guess). At which point, the game can go under three month audit anyway, methinks, as the article would then be known to be stable - rst20xx (talk) 17:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I believe games that are released only in 1 country MAY still become GAs. FAC people would have strong objections, but 90% of the information about the game is still out there and therefore ought to be able to become a GA. Nergaal (talk) 18:16, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Unfortunately, that 10% about the game deals with the plot and gameplay. What is currently in the article is very generic and does not really say anything substantial in my opinion. I tried searching English and Japanese sites for more info, but couldn't turn up much. Same with info about the Japanese reception.
  I guess what I'm saying is that if it could have been taken to GA, I would have already. That's why I brought it here. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 18:24, 23 February 2009 (UTC))[reply]
- Some games can but that really depends on a lot of factors. For example, the DS game Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan has only a Japan release, but was a significant import title and lead to a Japan-only sequel (also with high import value) and a western release in the same style of gameplay. However, from the "coded" page, we're talking a cell phone game that cannot be imported and already a sequel/spinoff of a successful series. I would state that if there is no western release, a combo article that group this with the two "Mix"s might be a satisfactory replacement for individual articles. --MASEM 22:46, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep -- Yeah 'coded' is not a GA, but with only a release in Japan, I feel that the 'proper and necessary' information is not really available in the "English" language to make a GA. Although with what is available, it could possibly [with work] be added as an audit in the future.--TRU CO 01:53, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – if it can't reach GA, it can't reach GA. Appropriate for it to stay audited. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 05:54, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Which cannot reach GA? I think none of the three have even tried. I would be very suprised if an article on a minor game with 30 independant sources would be a certain fail at GA, so i am not convinced. I've seen good GAs on novels with fewer than 10 sources, and i think one GA with only 3 independant sources that got some supports at FAC. I don't think some of the peer reviews are even in depth enough (one has just 3 minor MoS comments). With 3 of these, i will say remove.YobMod 07:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sure Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep and Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days will be able to reach GA once they are released. But they aren't the reason the topic is here. Of the three, coded is eligible for GA because it's the only one released. I didn't send it to GA because it is not comprehensive nor have I found the information to make it so; the plot and gameplay sections say very little.
  On a different note, it's the number of sources that has prevented me from merging it to Kingdom Hearts (series). I batted the idea around in my head for a while, but think it has demonstrated enough notability to have its own article. Any thoughts? (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:53, 2 March 2009 (UTC))[reply]
  - I don't think you can make an informed call on whether to merge or not until the game is out in the west. Before the game is out, I think the article should be allowed to stay audited anyway - rst20xx (talk) 16:39, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment That there is not a lot of English sources is not the problem; articles can still be built on non-English sources as long as the articles are notable and the sources are reliable. We have quite a few GAs for Japanese exclusive video games. However, I think the problem here is that there might not even be a lot of Japanese sources for this game in the first place. Megata Sanshiro (talk) 18:32, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep; if it hasn't even been released outside Japan, you can't expect it to be a GA already. This is one of those times when common sense comes to mind over the strict grace period rule. I think you should wait to nominate it for removal until that grace period has happened since the game's North American release. Tezkag72 (talk) 14:01, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Close with consensus to keep - I will reset the retention period - rst20xx (talk) 14:15, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]