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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 1 May 2024 [1].

Ed Bradley

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Nominator(s): M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 04:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about American journalist Ed Bradley, a prominent Black journalist in the latter half of the 20th and early 21st Century. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 04:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: three supports, a source review and an image review. are we seeing promotion?  750h+ | Talk  05:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's only the bare minimum, and given that this has been open for only 16 days, we'd like to leave it open for longer to see if it attracts further commentary. FrB.TG (talk) 07:13, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

  • Suggest adding alt text
@Nikkimaria I will look into the Jimmy Carter link, but the 60 Minutes logo is not used in this article. Can you explain why you want me to look at that link?
@Serial Number 54129 Thanks! Princessa Unicorn also deserves a ton of credit for doing a bunch of the research legwork for the initial GAN. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 20:40, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is used in this article - it appears in one of the navboxes. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see. That image probably shouldn't be used in the navbox regardless, seems like there could be some issues regarding trademark and it isn't that great a representation of the logo. I've replaced it with the Wikipedia-hosted file, which should be usable there under Fair Use, and is still in current use as of March 31. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 22:14, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, that won't work - per Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Unacceptable_use non-free images shouldn't appear in navigational elements. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha. Learned something new! Then it probably shouldn't have an image at all. I see a bot has already removed it. That should be good. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 21:39, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have also updated the link to the National Archives photo in Commons. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 21:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

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  • "Bradley moved to Washington, D.C., following the wars" - don't think that second comma is needed
Done M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 20:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "While reporting for CBS News and 60 Minutes, he reported on" - any way to avoid using reporting/ed twice in such close proximity?
Changed to "while working for" M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 20:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Bradley's parents divorced when he was young" => "His parents divorced when he was young"
Done M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 20:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the school's football team" - link football to make it clear what sport it is. To me (in the UK) "football" means a very different sport to what (I presume) is meant here.
Done M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 20:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "he also worked at WDAS as disc jockey" => "he also worked at WDAS as a disc jockey"
Done M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 20:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "working for WCBS. While at WCBS" => "working for WCBS. While there"
Done M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 20:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "as well the Republican and Democratic national conventions" => "as well as the Republican and Democratic national conventions"
Done M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 20:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "His interview style has drawn comparisons to Columbo" => "His interview style has drawn comparisons to the TV detective Columbo" (doesn't hurt to add three words to clarify who Columbo is/was for people who may not know)
Done, though spelled out "television" M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 20:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not totally clear. There are a lot of references to him performing with those groups, but I haven't really seen anything specifying that he was an instrumentalist of any renown or that the groups relied on his playing. In an interview with PBS, he said "I’ve been on stage with some people who have allowed me to bang a tambourine or some other rhythm instrument". His NYT obituary says something similar, "which Mr. Buffett bestowed on him onstage the first time Mr. Bradley played tambourine at his side". It seems like the performances were more ad hoc than anything else. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 20:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support by 750h

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Excellent article, but here are my minor complaints:

Done M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 02:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Changed as suggested. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 02:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh that is weird! Never noticed that. Updated. Thanks for reviewing! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 02:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Serial

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  • "to further his career as a reporter": unnecessary and florid.
Done M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "While reporting in Cambodia"
Done, though I'd note that he was hit while actively working, noted in his Entertainment Weekly obit "One of Bradley’s most famous dispatches during his three years covering the war was when he was hit by mortar shrapnel in Cambodia. The camera captured him lying on a stretcher wincing, a tear streaming down his cheek." M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "After recovering": How long did this take?
It's not really clear. The NYT obit says he was assigned to Saigon in 1972, then "he stayed until 1974, when he moved to its Washington office. Mr. Bradley, who was wounded on assignment in Cambodia, had become a full-fledged correspondent while in Southeast Asia. In 1975, he volunteered to return to the region to cover the fall of Saigon." The AP obit (as published by The Hollywood Reporter) says "While he went to the Washington bureau after recovering, he volunteered in March 1975 to cover the fall of Saigon." His CBS obit says he was "hit by shrapnel in the arm and in his back in 1973". So recovery took some time between 1973 and March 1975, but the specifics aren't clear. I made some tweaks here that remove that phrasing but show the change in assignments that I think makes things more clear. Let me know what you think! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In 1976, Bradley was assigned to cover Jimmy Carter's 1976 presidential campaign": lose one of these dates as repetitive.
Done M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "covering the latter events": "covering them"
Done M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Might be worth swapping out "network" with CBS, as it's not wholly clear who he's working for at this point.
Done M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Bradley disliked the position at the White House and being tied to the movements of the president": suggest the tighter "Bradley disliked the position as it tied him to the movements of the president"
I do like that better. Done M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Repetition of "position": "holding the post until 1981"
Done M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "reporting for the program until 1981": "also leaving in 1981"
Done M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Re. Abbott, I'd probably add "and author", as notoriety for the first led directly to notability for the second.
Good point! Done M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "such people as": such people as what? I might know what you mean—celebrities? historical/cultural icons?—but as it stands, they're two very different people.
Made a change here that hopefully makes things more clear. Let me know what you think! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • with (his) boots on": "with [his] boots on"
Done M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like it. Done M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Muwakkil/Seitzs, quote: WP:LQ
Done. Also caught a minor clarity issue in the Seitz quote that I have fixed. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much for reviewing! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You've made a few changes, all for the good, M4V3R1CK32, so I'm very pleased to support this article's promotion. ——Serial Number 54129 10:54, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 15:25, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review—pass

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I'll do the source review. This shouldn't take too long. Reviewing this version. 750h+ | Talk  11:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • 1 OK, supported in each place it is used
  • 2 OK, explained on page 63
  • 3 OK, supported alongside reference 2
  • 9 OK, supported alongside 6 and 10
  • 15 OK
  • 18 OK
  • 19 OK
  • 20 OK
  • 21 OK, supported alongside 22
  • 25 OK, supported alongside 12
  • 32 OK
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  • 50 OK
  • 60 OK
  • 65 OK
  • 69 OK
Additional sourcing comments

Consider archiving the sources. You can do this by going to "View history" and in the External tools bar, you can press "Fix dead links", and when you get there, tap "Add archives to all non-dead references (Optional)", press Analyze, and wait! With the books, change any instances of "Phoenix, Ariz." to "Phoenix, Arizona". With reference 28, link Chicago Tribune for consistency with the other sources. Reference 8 does not have the location, if we could add it that would be good. I would recommend putting books and magazines into a bibliography section, but that's not a requirement.  750h+ | Talk  12:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Archive links added, Arizona spelled out, Ref 8 location added. I think I will leave the bibliography section out for the time being unless there is strong consensus there should be one. Thanks for looking! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 15:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes the bibliography section isn’t needed. Thanks for addressing the concerns M4V3R1CK32, this is a source pass.  750h+ | Talk  16:15, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 16:28, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. My thanks very very very much to M4V3R1CK32 (talk · contribs) for doing the legwork after my initial research and expansion of the article. M4V3R1CK32 has done a great job overall, and the article looks great. It's clear, well-written, amply researched and referenced, and a useful addition for the reader. My apologies I haven't been able to be around much, life has taken me in other paths lately. I'm quite pleasantly surprised at all of the subsequent efforts that has gone on into improving this article! Thanks again, Princessa Unicorn (talk) 02:39, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 17:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comments

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  • The lead has too many paragraphs for a sub-2,000-word article. Could you run them into just two.
  • "He became the first African American White House correspondent for CBS News". The first at all, or the first for CBS?
  • "Bradley also anchored the Sunday night broadcast". Link "anchored".
  • "In 1981, Bradley joined 60 Minutes. While working for CBS News and 60 Minutes, he reported on approximately 500 stories and won numerous Peabody and Emmy awards for his work covering a wide range of topics, including the rescue of Vietnamese refugees, segregation in the United States, the AIDS epidemic in Africa, and sexual abuse within the Catholic Church." That's a long sentence. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All of the above have been addressed. Thanks for reviewing! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 17:53, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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