Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/John Meintz, punished during World War I

John Meintz, punished during World War I

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Original – German-American John Meints was tarred and feathered for not supporting war bonds during World War I.

Reason: Historical photograph with encylopedic value in illustrating tarring and feathering.
Articles in which this image appears: Tarring and feathering
FP category for this image: Wikipedia:Featured pictures/History/World War I
Creator: From the National Archives and Records Administration, photographer unknown. Restored by User:Opencooper.

Support as nominator – Opencooper (talk) 15:30, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support lNeverCry 02:14, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose~~ – John Meints is not mentioned in Tarring and feathering, except in the caption for this photo. Sca (talk) 15:24, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm new to FPC so apologies for any misunderstanding. I'm assuming you're alluding to #5 of the featured picture criteria which says that a featured picture "Adds significant encyclopedic value to an article and helps readers to understand an article." I didn't know that the picture also had to be the subject of the article and I thought it would be enough that it shows tarring and feathering (in fact, it's the only photograph in Commons:Category:Tarring and feathering). While researching for the caption, I determined that Meints isn't covered in-depth enough to merit notability. Personally I think the image being used at the top of the article "helps readers to understand [the] article" in showing how tarring and feathering actually looks. Opencooper (talk) 15:13, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct, it's not required. It's just my (ex-journalist's) opinion that the subject of an FP should be discussed, or at least explained, in the target article. Others may disagree. As far as adding EV, didn't this photo simply replace the unrestored version? In that case it doesn't add much visual information to the article. Sorry. Sca (talk) 15:24, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I've added mention of Meints and another German to the 20th century section. As for your second point yes, but it's a restored version that meets a "high technical standard" unlike the original. Regardless, if that's your opinion, I respect that. Thanks for the elaboration. Opencooper (talk) 16:01, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Per Sca – Jobas (talk) 11:05, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Jobas: Meints is mentioned in the article now. Unless you mean you don't think it has encyclopedic value? I really don't see how a photograph of someone who was tarred and feathered doesn't have encyclopedic value on the tarring and feathering article. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what FPC is for so if you could I'd like if you could elaborate on your oppose and how the image doesn't meet the featured picture criteria. Opencooper (talk) 12:35, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Jobas: Sca now supports the nomination so you should either change your vote or expand on your oppose, thanks. Opencooper (talk) 04:39, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support – I fleshed out the article's Meints section from the source and made a few other minor changes, so now I can support the nom. (So happens in the past I wrote about anti-German sentiment during WWI and can vouch for the tone of this section.) Sca (talk) 21:22, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I am leaning to support, but how about nominating the front and back image [1] as a set? Bammesk (talk) 13:48, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- That's not a bad idea at all but of course is contingent on someone restoring the other image. I initially thought about doing the back image but at the time determined that it was very damaged and would take too much time/effort. I tried again to see if I could restore it today but I barely made a dent. I'll keep trying to work on it but I don't think I could personally do it in a week with my low skill level. Opencooper (talk) 05:14, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support – EV. Bammesk (talk) 20:18, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support but I'd suggest adding a little more headroom in at the top. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 18:02, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:John Meintz, punished during World War I - NARA - 283633 - restored.jpg --Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 17:04, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]