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1962 Atlantic hurricane season

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  1962 Atlantic hurricane season
3 articles
 
  Hurricane Alma
  Hurricane Daisy
Contributor(s): 12george1, Hurricanehink

I believe this set of article associated with the 1962 Atlantic hurricane season should be considered for Good Topic. This is mainly because they were all listed as GAs recently, within the last 2 years. It wasn't until March that I was able to create an entry for Hurricane Alma. Now that it has an article though, the 1962 Atlantic hurricane season meets the minimum criteria for number of articles (3). They have also been adjusted to accommodate the new accessibility "standards". I hope others will agree that this should be considered a Good Topic.--12george1 (talk) 18:35, 30 June 2013 (UTC) --12george1 (talk) 18:35, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Don't forget to make the book. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:20, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support Complete topic. Adabow (talk) 00:41, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Milwaukee-class monitor

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  Milwaukee-class monitor
5 articles
 
  Chickasaw
  Kickapoo
  Milwaukee
  Winnebago

I'm nominating this group of articles on a class of monitors because they meet the criteria.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:09, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have a serious question: why do these ships deserve their own separate articles? I am no naval expert, but most of these ships don't seem to have a large impact, so I am pretty sure most of the information in the subarticles can actually be condensed into the class article. Also, the table in the main article does not link the ships themselves. Nergaal (talk) 01:16, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Good catch on the lack of table links. Haven't we had this conversation before? The individual ships meet WP:GNG and WP:SHIPS holds that any commissioned warship is inherently notable. You may not like it, but consensus is against you.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:36, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Don't get me wrong. I love ship topics, and I was the first one to nominate ship topics to GTC a long time ago. My issue is how low is the bar set for a ship. As an outsider, monitors seems to be a relatively obscure class of ships (not like say submarines). A good question would be what does commissioning mean in laymen's terms? Is a 20 meter personal yacht commissioned and therefore notable? If not, about how many ships have there been commissioned worldwide? I almost want to say that having the bar set so low would be equivalent to having an article on every chemical that is commercially available from the large chemical companies (which would be in the 10k's). Nergaal (talk) 04:14, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • Oh, I think that we got them chemists beat hands down, especially once you get into the merchant shipping. Just in warships alone, lessee, 530 battleships and battlecruisers, not much less in the number of aircraft and seaplane carriers, probably 2,000 cruisers, 5,000 destroyers, 4,000 submarines, all since 1890 or so and not even counting the 10,000+ destroyer escorts, corvettes, torpedo boats, and patrol craft. Couple hundred ironclads, plus lots and lots of early steam warships, plus thousands of sailing warships. And that commissioned for the duration 20-meter yacht, you bet, provided, of course, that you can actually find some info on it. Which, of course, is the real issue since so much documentation hasn't survived.
        • Somebody bothered to transcribe a bunch of DANFS entries for the ad hoc patrol ships that the US commissioned during WWI. Personally, I thought that was a waste of time, but what the hell; it's not like there's a limited amount of room on the servers. Practically speaking, the lack of info on the little boys will limit article creation. If you want to argue for a higher bar, feel free to make your case over at WP:SHIPS.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 05:18, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • A "20 meter personal yacht" is never commissioned - in layman's terms "commissioning" is the point at which a military vessel has been accepted for service by a national military force. Although the term "commissioning" is sometimes used in regard to large merchantmen, sensu stricto (and in the sense that it applies to notability) it is only applicable to military vessels. - The Bushranger One ping only 13:36, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Up All Night

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  Up All Night
8 articles
 
Contributor(s): Robin

I'm nominating this because it seems to meet the Good Topic criteria. Regards. Robin (talk) 22:43, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Robin (talk) 20:37, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

She Has a Name

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  She Has a Name
3 articles
 
  2012 tour
  Critical response
Contributor(s): Neelix

I believe this topic meets all the GT criteria; there are three articles about She Has a Name, and all have at least good article status. --Neelix (talk) 03:33, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  Done - Neelix (talk) 14:47, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The X-Files (season 4)

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  The X-Files (season 4)
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  "Herrenvolk"
  "Home"
  "Teliko"
  "Unruhe"
  "The Field Where I Died"
  "Sanguinarium"
  "Musings of a Cigarette Smoking Man"
  "Tunguska"
  "Terma"
  "Paper Hearts"
  "El Mundo Gira"
  "Leonard Betts"
  "Never Again"
  "Memento Mori"
  "Kaddish"
  "Unrequited"
  "Tempus Fugit"
  "Max"
  "Synchrony"
  "Small Potatoes"
  "Zero Sum"
  "Elegy"
  "Demons"
  "Gethsemane"
Contributor(s): Bruce Campbell, Gen. Quon, Grapple X, Igordebraga

Here is the final season of The X-Files that has yet to be promoted to Good Topic. This list includes all of the episodes from the series' fourth season, which has been regarded as one of the show's best (along with the early part of its run). Important entries, such as the post-Super Bowl show, Scully's diagnosis with cancer, Mulder's purported suicide are all contained in this season. I believe that this would be a great GT, as all of the articles are meant to be read as a series, and they are all of great quality (if I do say so myself).--Gen. Quon (Talk) 23:49, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support - It meets all the criteria. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 03:58, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Small Comment - "Herrenvolk", "Tunguska", "Terma", and "Memento Mori" all have an "unknown parameter" in some of the references (DVDs). I also noticed that some of the older articles have smaller reception sections due to the inavaliability of materials at the time; I don't know if anything can be done to make them more consistent, but this is a minor niggle. Glimmer721 talk 21:07, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I believe I fixed all the parameter issues. Some of the episodes still have smaller reception sections, however, because there still is a lack of material for some.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 00:21, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't look at them that closely. You now have my Support. Glimmer721 talk 22:46, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Love these topics. Support! Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 19:20, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2002–03 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season

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  2002–03 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season
5 articles
 
  Tropical Storm Delfina
  Cyclone Japhet
  Cyclone Kalunde
  Cyclone Manou
Contributor(s): Hurricanehink, Yellow Evan

All articles in the season are GA's. The season's three deadliest storms, along with the strongest, all have articles, and I don't believe any other storms could support articles. It should be good to go! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:20, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1959 Atlantic hurricane season

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  1959 Atlantic hurricane season
6 articles
 
  Tropical Storm Arlene
  Escuminac disaster
  Hurricane Cindy
  Hurricane Debra
  Hurricane Gracie
Contributor(s): 12george1, Cyclonebiskit, Hurricanefan25, and Hurricanehink

I am nominating the 1959 Atlantic hurricane season for Good Topic because I feel it deserves that recognition, mainly because most of the articles associated with it were listed as Good Article within just the last 2 years. The exceptions are Tropical Storm Arlene and Hurricane Gracie, both of which are in relatively good shape, IMO. The 1959 Escuminac disaster is also listed above because of it was a severe storm in Atlantic Canada, directly related to the remnants of Hurricane Three. --12george1 (talk) 20:45, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • But of those 6 people only one was a direct victim. There were plenty of people dyning of poor weather conditions back then, so putting the 5 with the storm is a bit of a stretch IMO. Nergaal (talk) 06:29, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • What does it having to be direct have to do with anything? And no, they were not "plenty of people dyning of poor weather conditions". And Arlene was an off-season storm. As I've said before, they have enough content to exist IMO. I just don't see the point in merging them. YE Pacific Hurricane 16:47, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1958 Atlantic hurricane season

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  1958 Atlantic hurricane season
3 articles
 
  Hurricane Ella
  Hurricane Helene
Contributor(s): Hurricanehink, TheAustinMan, 12george1

Everything is up to par. All articles are GA's. I don't believe any additional articles could be made, at least at this time. In the future, with more information, it is possible that Alma, Daisy, and Janice could warrant articles, but at the moment I don't believe that's the case. The only changes potentially to the topic is an FAC run for Helene by TheAustinMan, but that wouldn't affect the topic much. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:30, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Im not sure Cleo is worth an article since the seasonal article could be expanded out a bit more to cover Cleo. I know it "Supposedly" was a category 5 hurricane but i dont think category 5 hurricanes are notable unless they did something to land.Jason Rees (talk) 16:02, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I was thinking about that when I wrote the season article, and when I nominated the topic. I fully expect Cleo to be downgraded to C4 (or lower) when reanalysis gets there. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Why the hec is a Cat 5 not notable for an article????????????????????????? YE Pacific Hurricane 21:18, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • Because it didnt affect land and can be handled quite easily in the seasonal article i dont think it deserves an article.Jason Rees (talk) 21:30, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • YE, I think your reaction was unnecessary. JR is right. It could easily fit in the season article. Remember that notability isn't inherent. The article doesn't show that this Cleo is that significant of a meteorological subject, no more than super typhoons in the 1950s that didn't affect land. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:34, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • Notability is inherited. For instance, all big four sport league athletes are notable enough for articles. I do not think it is unreasonable for all NOAA AOR Cat 5/SUSC/VITC's (as for super typhoons and AUS/SPAC Cat 5's eh, they are a little to common enough) to have articles as they are almost certainly going to have sufficient information. And what does affecting land have to do with anything? Since when do storm's have to impact land to get articles? If they did have to impact land, why do we write an MH section in TC articles anyway? YE Pacific Hurricane 22:33, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
            • See Wikipedia:Inherent notability. Generally, storms need impact in order to have articles, since that's when they actually affect humanity, and Wikipedia is supposed to be the sum of human knowledge. And you said "sufficient information" is a criteria, but Cleo's content is barely 3 kb (excluding the lede), compared to the season section being 1.5 kb (so it could easily handle the limited additional information). --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:44, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
              • I saw Wikipedia:Inherent notability. Why do we write the MH section then? You are correct in that WP is the sum of human knowledge, but it is known that Cleo 58 is a Cat 5. No, I said "as they are almost certainly going to have sufficient information" as Cleo may be an exception to this case. Almost all Cat 5's have sufficient information, so why not give articles to all? If a Hurricane Katrina-like storm had only say 2kb's worth of information, would it be merged? YE Pacific Hurricane 01:05, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
                • I don't get your point about the MH, nor your other arguments. There is minimal additional info in Cleo's article than what is in the season article. It's not a matter of something like Katrina or not. The season section has roughly the same content as the entire article, so JR's suggestion isn't that far-fetched. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:04, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

YE not every Category 5 tropical cyclone on either the Aus or the SSHS scales has enough information available to justify an article, Cleo is a good example of this IMO.Jason Rees (talk) 10:07, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As is Patsy on the Pacific side. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 12:30, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I proposed a merger on Cleo's talk page. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:52, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, Cleo has been merged. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:47, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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