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Red Dead Redemption 2

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Red Dead Redemption 2 is an action-adventure game developed and published by Rockstar Games. It was released for PlayStation 4 and Xbox One in October 2018, and for Microsoft Windows and Stadia in November 2019. The game is the third entry in the Red Dead series and is a prequel to the 2010 game Red Dead Redemption. The story is set in 1899 and follows outlaw Arthur Morgan, a member of the Van der Linde gang, who must deal with the decline of the Wild West while meeting a wide cast of characters. The game, which had an eight-year development, features music by Woody Jackson and Daniel Lanois, including the original song "Unshaken" by D'Angelo. Following its release, the game received critical acclaim, earning numerous year-end accolades. The online multiplayer mode, Red Dead Online, was released as a beta version in November 2018 before a full release in May 2019.

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Red Dead Redemption 2
9 articles
Accolades
Characters
Arthur Morgan
John Marston
Development
Music
"Unshaken"
Red Dead Online
Contributor(s): Rhain

This proposed topic covers the video game Red Dead Redemption 2 and its subtopics, covering the awards, characters (including the protagonist), development, music (including an original song), and multiplayer mode. I started working on these around May last year, slowly making edits offline until publishing them in October. We now have two FLs and six GAs, and I believe the topic effectively meets the criteria for a good topic. Special thanks to the editors who reviewed the GA nominations—@Leonidas1206, Cognissonance, CR4ZE, MarioSoulTruthFan, and Sjones23 (×2)—and the many editors who took the time to leave comments on the FLCs. And a very special thank you to the editors who worked on the content before me, specifically VerumRex for Arthur Morgan and Aria1561 for "Unshaken". --– Rhain ☔ 02:15, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support: An interesting and well-connected topic that meets WP:GT? — CR4ZE (t • c) 07:26, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with a comment: I'd say the topic would actually be complete without Arthur Morgan (Red Dead) or "Unshaken", since they're covered by the broader articles you've got them indented beneath ("Characters" and "Music"). If you include Morgan and Unshaken in the topic, be aware that you're expanding the scope of the topic to include articles about the game's characters and songs, so the topic is only then complete if Morgan is the only character in the game notable enough to potentially have an article written about him, and if "Unshaken" is the only piece from the soundtrack notable enough to have its own article. Otherwise, the topic would then fail criterion 1(d) (cherry-picking), and it would have to be demoted if anyone actually created an article about, say, another character in the game (below GA quality). I'm not familiar with the game or the critical response to it, so I don't feel that I'm in a position to assess whether there are any other notable characters or songs in the game, but I recommend removing those two from the topic proposal. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 13:15, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bryanrutherford0: Appreciate the support and comment. I can confidently say that Arthur is the only original character from the game notable enough for a separate article, and any attempts to create articles on other characters would likely be merged back into the parent article anyway. The same applies for "Unshaken", which is the only single on the game's two soundtracks, and easily the one that received the most mainstream attention due to the artist. All of the songs are fantastic, but no others are notable enough outside of the game's soundtrack. Hope that makes sense, but I understand if you still feel that they should be removed. – Rhain ☔ 23:54, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. I'm AGF and supporting. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 23:57, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
An interesting observation there, Bryanrutherford0. Hate to do this, but I have to wonder if John Marston could be considered within the scope of this topic—I'm not saying that he his, but I thought it was worth mentioning... — CR4ZE (t • c) 03:16, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@CR4ZE: It's definitely a fair question. John is part of the (former) featured topic on the first game, which I think is more appropriate (and is why I didn't include him here). – Rhain ☔ 03:23, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Again, I'm not familiar with the game and can't assess whether he belongs here or not. It's certainly fine for an article to be part of more than one GT. That article looks like it's in pretty good shape, and there's a backlog elimination drive on at WP:GAN at the moment; it probably wouldn't be too much trouble to get that one to GA and then add it here. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 12:42, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be safe to say that we could move to a consensus that John Marston be included in this topic? If so, as Bryan has already noted above, the condition of that article is pleasing and I can see that you've already conducted a pretty extensive copy-edit (perhaps a precursory move for a pending GAN?). If there is consensus to include John Marston, I'm very happy to retain my !support with the provision that the article reaches GA. I don't see that process being particularly onerous, no less if it's in your capable hands, or holding up this GTC too much. I'm sure the delegates would be happy to hold this candidate open for a little bit until that article reached GA. Thoughts, anyone? — CR4ZE (t • c) 17:53, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I was skeptical on whether or not the article's existence could be justified, but after some more expansion, I think it's in a pretty reasonable state. I've nominated it for GA. Hopefully it can undergo a full review without severely interrupting this candidacy. – Rhain ☔ 18:06, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it should disrupt this candidacy; I'd be concerned if the consensus was to include the article and it was in bad shape, but it isn't. I do think it's within the scope of this topic as John is a fairly central character in RDR2's narrative and—without spoiling—you do play him at a certain stage. I'd offer to take that GAN immediately but I've got a busy week ahead and I'm working on an article already. If it's still hanging there by this weekend, please ping me and I'll gladly take it. (I promise I would tend to it promptly over the weekend! Hope you received my email apology about the Music GAN.) — CR4ZE (t • c) 18:26, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also, worst-case scenario, somebody argues the article doesn't meet GNG, and then it's not included in this topic anyway. — CR4ZE (t • c) 18:29, 4 May 2020 (UTC) [reply]
And, just to spell it out for any other reviewers, Marston is now a GA. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 16:51, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • SupportWeak Oppose for now - I do not see a template for this topic at all, there is one for the general game series but not this one. Also the question asked above was never answered. For RD2 are there other characters or music that is notable for an article, but just has not been written yet? completeness doesn't just mean "all articles written" but "all articles possible. MPJ-DK (talk) 21:35, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@MPJ-DK: There is now a category for the game. I'm not sure why your comment seems to suggest that I ignored the question above by "never answer[ing]" it, but to assuage your concerns, I am confident that there are no other original characters or music notable enough for a separate article. I'm well aware of the GT criteria, and I firmly believe that this topic meets it. – Rhain ☔ 23:54, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rhain - Well considering you did not actually answer it until after I posted my comment that may go some way to explaining why I suggested it was not answered? My Delorian is low of fuel ;) And point to you on the category, supporting. MPJ-DK (talk) 00:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, next time I'll make sure I wake up in the middle of the night to answer a question in the eight hours between your two comments instead of ignoring it. Appreciate the support. – Rhain ☔ 00:55, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would expect nothing less, oh and I'll try to remember what timestamps are for ;) MPJ-DK (talk) 01:10, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To the director/delegate: I have reviewed John Marston (Red Dead) as a GA and continue to !support this nomination. — CR4ZE (t • c) 15:37, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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