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February 26

There is a factual error on my Wikopedia page

There is a factual error on my Wikopedia page [1].

I was born on NOvember 10 in 1948, NOT 1946.

Thank you in advance for correcting the error.

Sincerely,

Jay Bergman

72.195.144.213 (talk) 01:04, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

I removed the entire birthdate as it was not in the source.--Canoe1967 (talk) 01:59, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Problem embedding Template:Multiple images within Template:Infobox book

Hello -- Please see the image in the infobox at the top of the book article on God Makes the Rivers to Flow. On my browser (Firefox), the very top of the infobox displays the garbage/error characters:

[[File: |frameless|alt=|]]

How can I eliminate those characters? I suspect they are a byproduct of having embedded the Template:Multiple images within the Template:Infobox book. But such embedding is very desirable, to permit the covers of the abridged and unabridged editions to be displayed simultaneously (since they are of more or less equal interest, and both are described in the article).

What can be done?

Many thanks in advance -- Presearch (talk) 01:10, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

{{Infobox book}} doesn't support the use of a template in its image parameter. You're supposed to give only the image as a bare file name (example.jpg) which the template then wraps in a [[File: ]] wiki markup. Since the template has no way to identify that you have given another template instead, it treats it the same way as a bare file name and wraps it as above. The {{multiple image}} template does its job and displays the images, but it's now wrapped in an invalid wiki markup (since it's syntactically incorrect) which apparently the mediawiki software treats as plain text and displays. You could modify the infobox to accommodate the multiple image template, or you could take the easier route and display only a single image in the infobox. Chamal ^T•C 03:14, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Or if you really want the two images together, why not use an external image editor to make a new image that combines them, and then upload and use it? Chamal ^T•C 03:16, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Dear Chamal, thank you for all those good explanations and helpful ideas! Best regards -- Presearch (talk) 18:08, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

here, I've taken a whack at addressing this. Feel free to revert or improve. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:04, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Dear Wtmitchell (Bill), thank you for those fixes -- I like them and expect to keep them! Best regards -- Presearch (talk) 18:08, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

I recently had similar remarks for {{Infobox WorldScouting}}. Since {{infobox}} now supports a second image, I added it to WorldScouting, allowing the full image parameter set to be used. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 20:02, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Shotgun Alley

Shotgun Alley — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dolheguy1976 (talk • contribs) 02:54, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia:Notability (music) help?--Canoe1967 (talk) 02:59, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

"last warning"

I received the message below:

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User talk:71.34.74.118 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did to 1916 Cumberland vs. Georgia Tech football game, you will be blocked from editing. Dlong 00:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

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For some reason, I don't think I was logged in on my account but the message was directed to me (confirmed by IP).

This warning is not related to any editing activity I have ever done.

I am a very inexperienced editor of wikipedia. If there is another place to report this kind of message please let me know.

PetronellaMG (talk) 06:19, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

If you haven't edited that article, you can safely ignore the warning as it wouldn't have been directed at you. When using dynamic IPs the IP address changes regularly, which means the IP address you have is not permanent and can be reallocated to another user at a different time. Because of this, messages directed at IPs may sometimes be received by a different user than whom they were intended for. This particular warning is from 2007, so I'd say this was probably what happened. Anyway, if you are logged in to your account when editing, you won't get the messages directed at your IP. Chamal ^T•C 06:37, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

When posting a cite, i get an error message

When posting a Cite or reference, i get this error message: "Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{Reflist|group=The Communicator}} template or a <references group="The Communicator"/> tag; see the help page."

Also, how do i change the name of my article? Curently it says User: than my user name.

Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petersabbagh (talk • contribs)

What you created is a User Page. Generally people use their user page to talk about themselves and the work that they do here at Wikipedia. What you want to do is create an article. What you currently have though would not pass our notability guideline because there are no references to secondary sources. You might want to have a look at Your First Article to learn more. But also, you might want to read our Conflict of Interest policy if you are affiliated with Mr. Sabbagh in any way. Oh, and the reason you're getting that error is because you don't have a references section for your references to be displayed in. Again, read the Your First Article link that I just posted. Dismas|^(talk) 08:11, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Also, there seems to be an identical article already at That DJ Ell. Dismas|^(talk) 08:15, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

The error message linked to a help page— did it help? — Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 16:48, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

please create information about this unversity

http://www.wfkjxy.com.cn/english/Procedure.htm

I teach here, and wish it to be known — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.161.54.147 (talk) 06:35, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

If you think that the university meets Wikipedia's notability guideline and the topic has received significant coverage in independent and reliable sources, then you could request the article to be created via this page.--Ushau97 ^{talk contribs} 12:32, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Author removing AfD

I AfD'd Chris Murray (RAAF) and the author has reverted it - twice. How can I stop him doing this again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gbawden (talk • contribs)

Snotbot will be automatically adding AfD template if the discussion is still open, so you don't need to worry. If you think it is a serious matter, you could report it at WP:ANI. --Ushau97 ^{talk contribs} 12:12, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

When someone removes an AfD template you can warn them with the template series {{uw-afd1}}, {{uw-afd2}}, {{uw-afd3}}, {{uw-afd4}} and if they don't stop after receiving the higher level warnings, you can report for blocking, as noted above, at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. In this case the bot that reverted the removal warned the editor, and they are in fact are blocked right now for 24 hours. This pattern (find appropriate warning; escalate to higher level warnings upon repeated violation; report after they continue) is typical and extendable to other situations. Please see Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace (WP:UTM) for the various categories of vandalism we see often, and their warning series. Note that to make an actionable report at WP:AIV, the user usually must have received a higher level warning, repeated the action despite that warning, and the report should be made within a short time frame after the repeated action.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:38, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Missing Neighbourhood in Mumbai

Resolved

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Neighbourhoods_in_Mumbai

The above page does not have Kurla, which is a prominent neighbourhood in Mumbai. It has the city's first township city and one of the biggest malls Phoenix Marketcity. Kindly add it in your list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.125.15.89 (talk) 08:03, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Kurla have now been added to the category. --Ushau97 ^{talk contribs} 12:35, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Same reference, two different urls

I've just submitted an article on John Sackville [2] to Wikipedia's Did You Know? project. I've listed the reference to Douglas Richardson's Magna Carta Ancestry twice, with two different urls, because there are two different pages I'd like readers to be able to get to directly when they click on the reference. Is there another way I can do this, and still have readers taken directly to each of the two urls? Any help with this would be much appreciated. NinaGreen (talk) 08:07, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

It's a matter of personal preference, but I'd go with something like this:

• Richardson, Douglas (2011). Magna Carta Ancestry, ed. by Kimball C. Everingham. Vol. I (2nd ed.). Salt Lake City, Utah. pp. 338, 385–386. Retrieved 25 February 2013. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)CS1 maint: location missing publisher (link)

Here I've merged the pages into one string and I cut down the URL so that it only points to the book instead of the page. Readers can surely visit the specific page given the clues in the rest of the ref. And frankly, for a ref like this a URL is just a courtesy. Books don't always have URLs so none is required. -Thibbs (talk) 14:38, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Another option would be to create a non-template ref and to link the book to the generic URL while also linking the pages to the specific pages mentioned. So in other words, something like this:

• <ref>Richardson, Douglas (2011). ''[http://books.google.ca/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC Magna Carta Ancestry, ed. by Kimball C. Everingham]''. '''I''' (2nd ed.). Salt Lake City, Utah. pp. [http://books.google.ca/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&pg=PA338 338], [http://books.google.ca/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&pg=PA385 385-6]. Retrieved 25 February 2013.</ref>

which would render as:

• Richardson, Douglas (2011). Magna Carta Ancestry, ed. by Kimball C. Everingham. I (2nd ed.). Salt Lake City, Utah. pp. 338, 385-6. Retrieved 25 February 2013.

-Thibbs (talk) 14:43, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the help with this. NinaGreen (talk) 19:33, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

After actually looking at John Sackville (died 1557), I see it uses Shortened footnotes. Currently, it is a bit odd, as there are page numbers in the shortened citations and the long citations, and the long citation is duplicated and also includes page numbers. You can link the pages in {{harvnb}}:

{{Harvnb|Richardson|2011|pp=[http://books.google.ca/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&pg=PA385 385-6]}}

Then you create the long citation and link only to the entire book. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 19:57, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Citroën Xsara Picasso

Hey, can i safely change this link: {{DEFAULTSORT:Citroen Xsara Picasso}}
to this: {{DEFAULTSORT:Citroën Xsara Picasso}} without breaking it? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:43, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

According to the second paragraph at WP:SORTKEY, it should be left as "Citroen". -- John of Reading (talk) 10:32, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

And right you are John. I should have checked the C3 Picasso article first. Thanks for the speedy reply ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 11:02, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Help needed to make an article live!!!

Hi,

I am Animesh and I work for a company which is known as Biztradeshows. It is an online platform that envisions to become a directory for events, trade fairs, exhibitions, expos and trade shows. It is continuously growing and making its mark as its mother concern i.e. Indiamart Intermesh Ltd.

The help needed is for understanding one thing that why the article named Biztradeshows got deleted two times since 2009 till 2013. Two times this article was submitted but got deleted by sighting out errors which were not present in the article.

Recently on 25^th of February 2013 the article was published and got deleted on the very same day. It becomes really hard to understand that Biztradeshows got deleted when I can see that several articles are live who have same issues or were the case looks similar.

Biztradeshows needs to be made live and I need help in doing so. Please help me so that I could make the page live again.

Regards,

Animesh Raj Vardhan

Animesh.rajvardhan (talk) 09:44, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Animesh, the argument that there are other articles much worse doesn't usually make much difference as each is acted upon by different people at different times and some articles in a terrible state can stay like that for years. If conflict of interest is likely to be an issue, especially since you work at the company, then you should not be the one to create the article and AFC is the place to go. Otherwise your only remaining hurdle would be to get neutral, reliable sources, which aren't from the company website. Without verifiable sources you will never get an article. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:11, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Animesh, your phrases "envisions to become" and "It is continuously growing" seem to admit that this business is not yet notable. Wikipedia articles should be about subjects which are notable now, or were once notable. I suggest that you wait until Biztradeshows has become notable, before trying to get an article about it on Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 13:58, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Specifically, I recommend you read "Wikipedia: Up-and-coming next big thing". --Orange Mike | Talk 16:15, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

no sound on investigation channel

Good morning i have not had sound on my channel since last night plz adjust the sound since that is my fav channel ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.204.215.236 (talk) 10:20, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Roger (talk) 10:27, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Article on Obaidullah Aleem

Resolved

Obaidullah Aleem

The last line is complete distortion, ppl of pakistan who love poetry consider him one of the greatest urdu poet. His religious believe are mentioned in such deragatory manner. Whoever edited its has clear hatred toward him due to his religious belief and used dergatory words like dog toward him. Please fix this.

Thanks in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.152.245.248 (talk) 11:29, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

It seems you have already removed those from the page. Thanks for reverting vandalism. --Ushau97 ^{talk contribs} 12:20, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

KGRB Radio (defunct)

My name is Gloria Burdette and I am the daughter of the deceased owner of KGRB radio, "Bob Burdette." The information that you are using from reference "Steven Ray" is totally inaccurate and misrepresenting. Please contact me for corrections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.87.142.73 (talk) 14:40, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Firstly nobody will contact you, this page is where you'll find all responses. None of the article's content is referenced to "Steven Ray". There is only an External link listed to what looks like a personal website that seems to belong to a "Steven Ray". If you wish to add material to the article you should post it to Talk:KGRB (defunct), because you have a close personal connection to the subject you should not edit the article directly. Note however that information added to articles must be referenced to published material only, your personal knowlege cannot be verified. Any unreferenced material currently in the article can be challenged and removed if no reliable source can be found for it. Roger (talk) 15:31, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Bluegrass music WikiProject

Dear Editors: There are a lot of articles in Wikipedia related to Bluegrass music (about 400 with direct links to the page, and 740 or so which include the phrase) and Bluegrass bands (740 with this phrase), as well as many articles about bluegrass organizations, festivals, etc. Many of these are stubs or have no references. I have been trying to fix these up, but there are too many, and I am not knowledgeable enough in some areas. I have been trying to get some interest in starting a Wikiproject to fix some of these up and add some new ones. I put notices on the Country Music and Roots Music Wikiproject talk pages, and read the material about how to start a Wikiproject. I have started collecting information and listing tasks on my user page at: User:Anne Delong/Bluegrass Topics. I know that in order to start a Wikiproject I need to find some editors to join in. There was no response from members of the related Wikiprojects. Is there somewhere else I should post to try to find collaborators? There must be a lot of interest out there; someone has created all of these pages! —Anne Delong (talk) 15:01, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

I definitely support your efforts here, and thanks for the great initiative! It's hard to get a WikiProject going, unfortunately, because joining one often represents a large time commitment. Some editors are also wary of joining small not-yet-established WikiProjects. One option you might pursue is to start a WP:TASKFORCE instead. This way you could be affiliated with the Country Music and/or Roots Music Wikiprojects and you might be able to attract more casual editors. Taskforces can always expand to become full WikiProjects later down the road. Apart from that, though, I'm not sure what your best option would be. There are other related Wikiprojects like Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians and Wikipedia:WikiProject Music, and you could try posting at their talk pages too. Apart from this the only thing I can think of is to try to gin up off-wiki support at internet forums where other bluegrass fans might hang out and who might be interested in joining Wikipedia to improve the bluegrass articles. I hope that helps. -Thibbs (talk) 15:44, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

I see the Bluegrass music article is rated as "Top importance" by WP:WikiProject Country Music, the only project to rate it so high. Given that rating, a possible Bluegrass Task Force would probably fit in best with the Country project. Roger (talk) 16:10, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks; it doesn't matter to me if it's a project or a task force; either way Wikipedia's guidelines say it must be a group. Until I find some others it won't happen. I'll keep looking, and in the mean time I'll plug away. —Anne Delong (talk) 17:01, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorting Problem at List of Longest Wooden Ships

Ok, so I was looking at List of longest wooden ships and I clicked on the table and sorted by Service (that is, years in service). My problem is this: two of the ships don't sort properly. I've figured out why: the service for Peter von Danzig is given as "Before 1462-Late 1470s" and the service for Caligula's Giant Ship is "ca. 37". So since the entries begin with letters instead of numbers, these two ships end up out of place at one end of the list when you sort by "Service". Any idea how to fix this without changing the wording? Otherwise, I could just re-word the entires so that the year is first. Howicus (talk) 17:34, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Entries can always be encased in {{sort}}; for example, {{sort|123|bgdbgydoygbodrgbu}} will display as bgdbgydoygbodrgbu, but it will sort between 122 and 124. See it in action at Vinegar Hill Historic District, where a table lists some addresses as "number, street", but it sorts by "street, number". Nyttend (talk) 18:33, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll go try it out. Howicus (talk) 19:56, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Page Error

Apologies - in trying to rectify an error in a link re Mike and the Mechanics I may have deleted info In the info box on the right side of the page, Past Members should include Paul Young In trying to rectify an incorrect link Paul Young (Mike + The Mechanics). I deleted the name The correct Paul Young (ex-vocalist) and correct link is shown in the first few lines I cannot seem to rectify the error Many thanks JH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.42.153 (talk) 18:31, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

NB on the principle that disambiguated titles should be as general as possible, I have moved this article to Paul Young (singer born 1947).--ukexpat (talk) 19:25, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Need to stop others editing

Jerry Heller (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I am the webmaster for this Living Person. The person this page is about corrected incorrect statements that have been posted yesterday. I keep having editors come by and change what the subject has corrected. I need to know how to get them to stop changing the content that has been corrected by the living person.Jerry Heller

Thanks, sandy Theweblady (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:57, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Please see WP:OWN and WP:COI. If the subject has issues with the article, they are encouraged to discuss them on the article's talk page. It is not acceptable to make unreferenced additions to the article just because the subject wants the material in it.--ukexpat (talk) 19:16, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

That being said, if the subject of an article (or a representative, if the subject is unwilling to participate here) has concerns and discusses them on the article's talk page rather than just changing the article, they usually find a bunch of folks who want to help by finding citations for the material if they can. Give it a try. I think you will be pleasantly surprised. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:11, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Why are you only using women to depict sexual acts?

Hello,

I was reading an article on Cracked about wikipedia and pictures of sexual positions such as this one Facial (sex act)

and I am appalled that you are only using women to illustrate these acts. Gay men suddenly do not have sex? Or is it that you like to simply objectify women?

I find the fact that you only use women to be extremely sexist. You should really re-think this.65.93.15.135 (talk) 21:38, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Comment: cracked article is here in case anyone's curious. —Soap— 21:45, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

As the article mentions, most of the illustrations were done by the same person. I'm sure, were someone to create a similar image featuring two men (or two women, as applicable) it would be considered. In any case, statistically speaking, only a small percentage of all sex is of a homosexual nature, so one would expectation a small proportion of our illustrations to be too. - Jarry1250 ^{[Vacation needed]} 21:53, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

We are not "only using women" (and commons:Category:Facial cumshot shows this would have been possible for the subject). There is one man and one woman in each of the two pictures in Facial (sex act). Given statistics of heterosexuals and homosexuals, that's what you would expect from a sample of only two random couples. Wikipedia has lots of articles about and pictures of homosexuals. See Category:LGBT for a start. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:53, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Also, wikipedia is a work in progress and there are many articles which are not fully complete. The absence of a fact doesn't mean that Wikipedia is against it or trying to cover it up. Chamal ^T•C 02:19, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

And also, images in articles on sexual topics are usually thoroughly discussed in the article's talk page. You'd be amazed at the length of some of the debates that have gone on. Should we use cartoons or real images? Should editors be able to upload pictures of their own bodies? Should images depict attractive-looking genitals or plain ones? Shaved or unshaved? Cut or uncut? Which race? Which orientation? There are infinite variations of these image-related questions on the talk pages of the sexual topic articles. Good for a laugh, honestly. I just assume that whatever images are posted on those pages have been approved by the consensus of a large panel of devoted Wikipedians or will soon be changed without us troubling ourselves about it. -Thibbs (talk) 02:52, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

As a comparison, the article on Anal Sex has 5 m->m, 2 m->f, 1 f->f (anilingus) and 1 f->m (pegging). Fellatio has 4 f->m and 1 m->m (and one set of opposite sex fruit bats). Cunnilingus has 3 m->f and 2 f->f. My guess is that any effort to make any of these articles opposite gender only would quickly die on a WP:CENSOR argument among others.Naraht (talk) 15:14, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

How to locate an article to edit

I just joined and edited one article. I navigated away from that page. I would like to help by editing one more short article before I log off. Where do I go to find one that needs help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Montykillies (talk • contribs) 23:28, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

You can check out Wikipedia:Community portal for some ways to help out. Scarce2 (talk) 00:40, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

There is also a useful tool called SuggestBot. It normally looks at your edit history to find articles that need attention that it "thinks" you might be interested in; but in your case (only edited one article) you can use a feature for specifying topics (articles and categories) related to your interests, and it will find associated needy articles (see this documentation for details). ~Good luck, and happy editing! ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 03:42, 27 February 2013 (UTC)