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Barnala punjab india.

Hi I was reading about barnala on wikipedia.. Everything is good. But i found one of the most famous person from barnala was Missing. Their Name is S. Bachan Singh Pakho. He was a Freedam fighter and hd served the barnala city all his life. i hope you will look through this and will edit in barnala's famous personalities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.233.46 (talk) 01:48, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Please read WP:BIO to find out whether the person meets Wikipedia's notability concerns, and then read WP:RS in order to find out if there are sources which prove the claims being made in the article. RNealK (talk) 04:57, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Keith Thurman

My name is Chris Getty and it states that I took over training for Keith Thurman after my fathers passing. ..well it was Dan Birmingham who took over the training of him...I am still involved with him, but just not training him...I feel as a team, Dan who has been a tremendous value to the development of Keith needs to be recognized for his time and effort he has put in to help develop Keith where my father has left off. If you have any questions as to if this is true you can feel free to call me at <redacted> and I will be happy to give you any info needed to make sure your page is accurate.

Thanks, Chris Getty — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.126.102.218 (talk) 02:22, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Where has this information been PUBLISHED? --Orange Mike | Talk 02:33, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

No need to SHOUT, Orangemike. It's kind of RUDE, particularly when directed at a newcomer who is trying to help us correct a possible error. I note that the current claim in our article (that Chris Getty took over training) is unsourced, and I'll do that straight away.

Chris, it would be very helpful if you could point us towards a published source that names Dan Birmingham as Thurman's trainer, so that that information can be incorporated into our article. Wikipedia articles – particularly those dealing with statements and claims about living people – are supposed to be based on published sources. (We need to stick to sources that any article editor can verify independently – unfortunately, your statement here isn't sufficient – to help avoid these sorts of errors.) If you can come up with a citation to a newspaper or magazine article that identifies Dan as Keith's coach, that would be ideal. Heck, if Keith has a website that names Dan as his coach, that would probably work, too. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 03:01, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Link color

Perhaps a silly question, but is there a way to make all page links automatically become colored in dark blue rather than the normal lighter blue without clicking the link. I just seem to enjoy it further this way, so is there a script or something? Thanks, TBrandley ^{(what's up)} 03:17, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

You probably need to use a custom CSS, which you can load via your preferences page. There's a page that explains it, and has a sample that includes setting the link colors: Help:User_style#CSS_in_user_subpages_vs._css_in_a_local_file RudolfRed (talk) 03:25, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

See Help:Link color. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:26, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Chinese communist spies are vandalizing communist son's article again!

Bo Guagua got vandalized once again everything added were based on Chinese news reports by well-established newspapers and magazines. the admins are protecting the vandalized page once again. is your web site controlled by communist lovers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.198.182.185 (talk) 03:19, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Disagreeing with you is a content dispute, for which Wikipedia has a procedure, not vandalism. If you have a complaint about an administrator's actions, take it to WP:ANI. --ColinFine (talk) 18:09, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

it is not "disagreeing", because they deleted EVERYTHING! then put it under protection for the chinese communist party once again! sure, they can disagree, and discuss why they won't agree. but those wikipedia communist dictators are not disagreeing, they are simply blocking everyone to add anything new. i don't know how to complain, someone can do it for me. those admins are so swift when it comes to protect for the "good reputation" of communist criminal's son. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CC6B:6B90:B4E8:4067:C4E2:B535 (talk) 21:40, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

No, as explained, you are using extensive original research. Only one sentence was appropriate to the article and appropriately cited, and that should be discussed on the article talk page. False attacks and insults are not likely to help your case. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:03, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

you people have plenty of lame excuses to protect the reputation of a communist criminal's son. i challenge you to list one "false attack", and i shall provide you with the truth. unlike you wikipedia which listed him as "chinese citizen", when you have ABSOLUTELY no proof. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CC6B:6B90:2D68:299C:8C07:B726 (talk) 12:22, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

About validity of source

Is this picture a source valid enough on its own to say that Tokugawa Ieyasu had a single transverse palmar crease, or we still need more sources to verify that "this is the handprint of Tokugawa Ieyasu; it is like that..."?--Inspector (talk) 04:53, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

1. Why would it possibly matter?
2. Nothing in the photo says that. RNealK (talk) 05:00, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

1. The handprint clearly shows a hand with a single transverse palmar crease. This is of interest not only to palmists, but to scientists. Searching deep in my memory, I seem to recollect that an association has been found between single transverse palmar creases and some form of mental abnormality.
2. The picture summary says "A handprint of Tokugawa Ieyasu at Kunozan Toshogu." Of course it might be a fake; but even so, why would the faker have used a hand with this obvious and unusual feature? Maproom (talk) 10:23, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

On those points above:

1. Why would it possibly matter? It does, because if it is only something hold by a shrine but not well-known and well-recognized in other sources, its reliability would be undermined.
2. Nothing in the photo says that. Actually, the caption in the photo says that it is the handprint of Tokygawa Ieyasu.
3. why would the faker have used a hand with this obvious and unusual feature? Why wouldn't?--Inspector (talk) 12:22, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not use Original Sources. Is there any reliable source that says that 1-This is really the handprint of Tokygawa Ieyasu, 2-it shows a transverse palmar crease, and 3-it matters? RNealK (talk) 23:02, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

That is what I am currently confused. There might be little source on this, but I doubt if we should apply the stricter standard. For example, I guess there are many portraits of people without such additional sources. Or, do we just assume this is actually the person, and the portrait represents what the person look like? Besides, Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard might be a good place for this question. ADD: I never got to understand whether some content matters or not.--Inspector (talk) 03:05, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

About reliable sources you asked: There are a couple saying Kunōzan Tōshō-gū has this thing, but to verify it is another thing. I doubt if anyone would ever bother with that verification.--Inspector (talk) 06:26, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Then it's original research. RNealK (talk) 06:56, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

What is meant by supporting reliable source? By just saying that it is the handprint of Tokugawa Ieyasu, or by proving using some reason?--Inspector (talk) 09:30, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Have you read WP:RS? A reliable source would need to say it. But I still don't understand why it matters. RNealK (talk) 02:14, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if this trivia matters to the whole article, either. But there are plenty of such trivias in the Chinese and Japanese articles.--Inspector (talk) 15:33, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Searching

Sirs: How do you start to find the subject you want to research on? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.204.22.134 (talk) 05:00, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

There is a search box at the top of the page - start there.--ukexpat (talk) 05:17, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Help with article feedback links in a table

Over at User:Guy Macon/Workpage I have a table that is being used to quantify what percentage of article feedbacks are useful for an RfC discussion that involved the WMF. I need to add a link to the article feedback and a link to the article for each entry. I am not quite sure how to create the links.

As an example, I would like to start with feedback #875273 (number taken from my watchlist, not from the table) and from the number alone get

and

Solving chess

but how do I get those from the bare number?

Related question: I need to do 1000 of these. Is there any way of avoiding having to hand-editing every entry? -Guy Macon (talk)

Question about the mystery of a dotted line

Why is it that when I add a comment to a talk page, I sometimes have a strange dotted line that appears around my comment? This appears to happen when (as far as I can tell) I have done nothing dramatically different to when I contribute to talk pages without getting these dotted lines. I shall be appreciative of any feedback here. Thank you in advance for any help, ACEOREVIVED (talk) 09:49, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

This happens when you begin a line with a space. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:57, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks for explaining things here. I have just contributed to the talk pages on the articles on marmalade and the article called List of cakes. In one I began with a space, in the other I did not - I got the dotted line effect only on the talk page comment where I had began with a space. So, I take your point and understand entirely. Again thank you for feedback, that helped to clarify matters. All is much appreciated, thank you for your help. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 11:22, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Note that if you do want to indent a comment, you can begin it with one or more colons (':'). --ColinFine (talk) 18:13, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Unreferenced articles

Hey, is there a bot for adding unreferenced article tags to all articles with no citations or has this idea been rejected before? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:06, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't think we have a bot doing this on a regular basis (though that is just a guess). I think a bot cannot always detect whether an article is unsourced or not. You could request one at Botreq. I am sure they would tell you if there are issues with bot performing that task. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 17:59, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:56, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

wikipedia is full of ERRORS, spreading rumors and lies!

the citizenship of chinese communist criminal Bo Xilai's son Bo Guagua is unknown, how can you say that his has a chinese nationality? did you see his passport or you checked his current immigration status with the home land security in the usa?

if not, how can you state that he is still a chinese citizen? you have no proof!

also, the entire section of the following was deleted by your chinese communist spies on this site. i chanllege you to list anything here that is not the truth. and everything can verified according the links. why did your stupid admins delete all of them then protect the article? what is the purpose? are you here to spread lies and rumors, and promoting for the chinese communist criminal?

EF∙Royal Cornell 2009 Big Ben Award and Ten Outstanding Chinese Young Persons Selection in the UK Charity Ceremony

According to Taiwan Apple Daily newspaper, the award he won was entirely fake.

On May 9th of 2009, a charity organisation registered in UK - British Chinese Youth Federation (BCYF http://www.bcyf.org.uk/) which the web site stopped operating after this award was given. The address registered for this organization was in a ghetto in London. The owner is Yinya Li (李引亞, English name: Jonsson Li) from city of Fuzhou of Fujian province, gave Bo Guagua an award during the first annual "EF∙Royal Cornell 2009 Big Ben Award and Ten Outstanding Chinese Young Persons Selection in the UK Charity Ceremony (TOCYP-UK)". at Le Meridien Hotel Piccadilly in London. No one from the UK government or any UK royals were present during this ceremony, but Chinese Consul Jin Shihong and his wife, the director of the Hong Kong Economic and Trade Office in London - Hu Baozhu, representatives from the Malaysian Embassy, the Taipei Representative Office and Singapore attended the ceremony.

The five judges were: Lord Tom Pendry, Hong Kong Economic and Trade Office in London - Hu Baozhu, Chairman of 48 Group Club Stephen Perry, Dr Xiaojiu Zhu who doesn't have a law degree who was hired as a legal counsel and to provide notary service for BCYF. She finished her biological education in the USA, then moved to the UK to work for a solicitor who immigrated from New Zealand to the UK. and the owner of BCYF - Yinya Li.

The official sponsors include: the Chinese embassy in the UK, All China Youth Federation (http://www.qinglian.org) under the control of the Chinese Communist Party, China Central Television, Phoenix Television and a free Chinese newspaper called 倫敦時報 (The London Times) not to be confused with the actual The London Times. The sponsoring media was Jonsson Li Publishing House (「歐金出版局（倫敦）」) whose owner is the same person of this award. 。

Marco Fu was also given the award, even though he lives in Hong Kong, and is a Canadian permanent resident. Daniel Jacoel who was the chairman of the 48 Group Club Young Icebreakers, was also given an award.

Let Me Be Me performed during the event. This event was only widely reported by news media in mainland China. Most mainland Chinese were given the impression that he won the award that was given by the UK government.

After 2009, British Chinese Youth Federation second web site (http://www.bcyf.org.uk) has ceased to operate. Their first web site ukbcyf.org expired. The web site of second annual EF∙Royal Cornell Big Ben Awards for the Top Ten Outstanding Young Chinese in the UK was moved to a web site based in China. Meanwhile, Big Ben Award Corporation started to offer awards to Chinese all over the world. Its English page is still empty. Their Chinese page "Contact Us" has no name, phone number or email address listed. Both web sites are registered to Yinya Li. The current address for "Big Ben Award Corporation" is located in a dental office in London.。 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:cc6b:6b90:6c25:47e7:120a:9bfb (talk • contribs) 12:02, 7 February 2013‎

As one had suggested in Chinese wikipedia, the best way to solve this problem once and for all is just ask the department of each related country if Bo Guagua has a nationality of their country.--Inspector (talk) 12:35, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

No. That will solve nothing unless their answers have been published in reliable secondary sources, which are the only kind that are admissible in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 18:18, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

As replied at Talk:Bo Guagua, In your entire wall of text, I see one sentence and source that may meet site policies - and which established editors could still add to the article. But I'll leave it to others to discuss before adding it. The rest of the content does not cite reliable third party sources. You are attempting to make personal analysis of primary sources to develop a conclusion. This is a violation of multiple Wikipedia policies: WP:BLP, WP:NOR, and WP:RS being the primary three. Your comments are also failing to assume good faith, and making personal attacks on other editors, which is a violation of WP:AGF and WP:NPA. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:15, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

do you NOT see all those links after those sentences? and how can wikipedia prove to us that bo guagua has a chinese passport, but not other countries' passport? did wikipedia ask him to verify that in person? if this is not a rumor, what is it? you are just "assuming" that he has a chinese passport, but you don't really know for sure. i thought that everything you put on here is the "truth". what a shame! bunch of communist wikipedia dictators. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CC6B:6B90:B4E8:4067:C4E2:B535 (talk) 21:43, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

References

First Female Helicopter Pilot in NYPD

Good morning:

RE: List of New York City Police Department officers

I am writing you regarding an article about the article listed above. In the period from 1978 to present you missed identifying the "First Female Helciopter Pilot" in the history of the NYPD. Mary Lowery (now Mary Lowery Mottle of Palm Beach Gardens, Florida) became the very first female helicopter pilot in the NYC Police Department. She proudly served as a pilot for eight years before moving on to other aspects of her law enforcment career. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoeMottle (talk • contribs) 12:46, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source to support that?--ukexpat (talk) 19:24, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

(ec)Such list articles usually require that entries in the list(s) already have articles on Wikipedia. You'll need to first determine if she meets our Notability threshold. These days female helicopter pilots are rather unremarkable but there may have been some media attention given to her at the time, so searching various New York newspaper archives might be worthwhile. Roger (talk) 19:29, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Preventing Chronic Disease

Hello,

I wanted to report an error in the content listed about Preventing Chronic Disease. The journal's impact factor is in fact 1.819. This can be verified on PCD's site under the "About PCD" tab at www.cdc.gov/pcd. I work for the journal and can also verify this. Please let me know how this error can be updated. Here is the link to the page with the error...Preventing Chronic Disease - CDC.gov journal

Thank you!

MW Mwilson184 (talk) 13:14, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

The article cites a third-party source, which gives a different (much lower) figure. Wikipedia bases its information on third-party sources, not on what organisations say about themselves. Can you provide an independent source for the figure you give? Maproom (talk) 20:25, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

image

Hello.

There is a picture in http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Файл:Леон_Закс_5.jpg for use in http://en.wikipedia.org have to re-download it, or you can somehow different? X0066 (talk) 15:05, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

For use in English Wikipedia, it must either be uploaded to that or (preferably, if its copyright status is acceptable) to Wikimedia commons, from where all Wikimedia projects in all languages will be able to use it. --ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

help request

I do hope I am in the right section - but regarding Wilkipedia -I LUV IT -but i hav a problem - L — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.171.215.127 (talk) 15:07, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

added header You are in the right place if your question is about how to use Wikipedia. What is the problem you are having? RudolfRed (talk) 18:55, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Problem with table layout on oral candidiasis

Please could someone who is good with tables look at this...I can't see why both tables are not right aligned, it looks terrible, sorry. Lesion (talk)

Thank you, it looks much better now. Lesion (talk) 17:35, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

I made a fix to your problem. I combined both tables. :)--AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 17:36, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Create an article with no online references

Hello everyone.

Just a question, is it possible to create an article with no online references? I mean totally no online source. The only thing I got are notable newspaper clippings.--AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 17:15, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

References to newspaper clippings are fine. RJFJR (talk) 17:22, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

You need to make sure that the clippings are genuine and authentic, though; there are faked-up "newspaper stories" all over the internet in this era of Photoshop, and we've rejected purported scans hosted online. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:37, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

How will I defend the article if the references are questioned for their authenticity? Though I am sure that the newspaper clippings are authentic and genuine, but in Wikipedia, everybody will always presume that its not.--AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 17:42, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Most mainstream newspapers maintain archives and some public libraries also keep collections - so verification should not be a problem. When you reference the news articles be sure to cite the original newspaper itself and not the collection of clippings - unless the clipping collection has been published as such. Roger (talk) 18:11, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

We assume good faith when a print publication is cited. I may quote the Daily Milwaukee Sentinel from March 23, 1857 or the Bugle-American from May 3, 1973 in an article, since a citation is verifiable by anybody with access to that issue. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:23, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying guys. :D --AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 18:50, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Also, I suggest using the {{Cite news}} template.--ukexpat (talk) 19:13, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

By the way, many newspaper clippings are actually available online but behind a paywall (e.g. newspaperarechive.com) or even free but not easily found, being part of the deep web (e.g. Trove, Brooklyn Daily Eagle, Old Fulton Postcards or Chronicling America). These are good for both finding sources and verifying sources. To bolster what those above have said about the issue that brought you here, please see WP:SOURCEACCESS, Wikipedia:Offline sources and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Cost.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:05, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Got it! Thanks for your tips! Will take note on this. :D--AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 06:23, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Missing 'Cite' button

For some reason the  ► Cite  button for citation template drop-down menu is missing from my edit toolbar.   I've done the purge stuff, with no results.   How does one "refresh" the toolbar?   ~Thanks, ~E :74.60.29.141 (talk) 17:33, 7 February 2013 (UTC):P.s.: Firefox

This used to happen to me a lot, then it stopped for some unknown reason. Try clearing your browser's cache (depends on the browser, on chrome it is hold ctrl + click on refresh). There is an option in preferences on wp somewhere to disable browser caching. Hope this helps, Lesion (talk) 17:37, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Try using Provelt. --AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 17:43, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

There are three versions of RefToolbar; see Wikipedia:RefToolbar. Two things to try:

• Skin reset: Preferences → Appearance → Skin. Change to a different skin, save, change back, save.
• Usability features reset: Preferences → Editing → Usability features. Uncheck Enable enhanced editing toolbar and Enable dialogs for inserting links, tables and more, save, check the desired settings, save.

Let us know if this works. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 17:50, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I get redirected to the Not logged in page (I'm an IP→ 74.60.29.141 (talk) 18:15, 7 February 2013 (UTC)) ~ I'll try: "When all else fails, reboot"

See WP:VPT#Cite toolbar not working: admin needed. It's fixed now. The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 18:17, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Aha! ~ So it wasn't "just me". ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 18:30, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

switching out pge photo help

I work with the actress Catherine Mary Stewart and she has a page here on Wikipedia Catherine Mary Stewart

She want to have a head shot of herself on the page instead of the candid shot that a fan took at a signing but I can not seem to figure out how to replace it. We are launching her new website and want to link Wikipedia to it but she wants a different photo there. I have uploaded a publicity shot that I took of her but can not figure out how to swap these out Can someone please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryantbo (talk • contribs) 18:49, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

 Done in this edit.--ukexpat (talk) 19:05, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

See also potential conflict of interest --Senra (talk) 19:44, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Getting a photo from a living person should be encouraged, not criticized as a COI. RNealK (talk) 00:20, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Whilst in principle you are absolutely correct (fabulous image by the way), the OP's fragments "I work with [...] she has a page ..." and "We are launching her new website and want to link Wikipedia to it ..." caused me a little concern. COI can easily be managed (see my link) but editors need to be aware and I think it fair and reasonable to try and alert them to the issues --Senra (talk) 01:19, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

In the case of Ryantbo, he's got a bad record of things such as repeatedly (and even after warnings) adding spamlinks to the article. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:18, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Categories

Is there a quick guide or noticeboard—other than FAQ/Categorization—that can help me better understand categories? I am considering adding a new category, "Alumni of Tiffin Boys School" (or its {{British English}} equivalent), to the Roy Chaplin article. According to the Times (1988), Chaplin was an alumnus of Tiffin Boys School, a selective boys' grammar school in Kingston-upon-Thames. I am not sure I understand how to add a new category to its correct parent category. Scratch that. I am sure I don't understand --Senra (talk) 19:03, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

There is already a category for that: Category:People educated at Tiffin School.--ukexpat (talk) 19:29, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

See! I did say "I am sure I don't understand". I did look for such a category but was unable to find it. Thank you --Senra (talk) 19:48, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Protip: I used the Special:Search page to search for Tiffin School, checking "Category" and unchecking everything else, et voilà...--ukexpat (talk) 21:02, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Merci bien mon ami! Senra (talk) 21:12, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

... and another way of finding the category was that it was linked from Tiffin School#Notable former pupils. - David Biddulph (talk) 21:17, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Web link as a reference

I have added a reference to the article, however, it did not show a web-link like other refrences. Please help me to add a web-link on this reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dunxian (talk • contribs) 21:07, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Since you have made many more edits to Melatonin since you posted this question, am I right in guessing that you solved the problem? If not, please indicate which reference it is that is worrying you. --ColinFine (talk) 22:10, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

There was a reference where some red error message showed up. It's gone now, so it seems Dunxian in fact fixed it. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 22:22, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia User Rank calculation

Dear Sir or Madam,

How to calculate an user's overall wikipedia edit rank as shown in the page Wikipedia:WikiProject India/List of Indian Wikipedians by number of edits. Please help... --Mkg just4u (talk) 21:56, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits lists the top 5000 editors, but that is over 11,000 edits for the 5000th position. The discussion on that page and its talk page may be of interest. Wikipedia doesn't have a real method of ranking editors that I'm aware of and we advise against worrying about your or someone else's number of edits, a condition humorously referred to as editcountitis, and remind you that number of edits is not a measure of quality of edits. RJFJR (talk) 22:18, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

(e/c) That list is barely maintained, incredibly out of date, has poor labels, and is completely inconsistent internally. The "Wiki Rank" (a label that misuses "wiki" and implies a Wikipedia-wide grade, rather than jut a ranking for number of edits) is drawn from where a user appeared (at some given date) on the list at Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits ("LWNE"). The "Wiki Rank" is near meaningless because the assigned rankings at the Wikiproject list were manually added at different times. Because the LWNE is not static at all but changes over time, each addition to the Wikiproject list on a different date was inconsistent relative to how rankings of others had changed since the last entry, which error compounded over time. I wouldn't bother updating any entry on that list, unless you are going to update the entire list. See also Wikipedia:Editcountitis.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:36, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Web cites

Hello:

I'm trying to add citations to this page: Tom Miller (politician)

I am having trouble adding Web citations and the following appears in red: Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{Reflist}} template or a <references /> tag; see the help page.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Agiowa (talk • contribs)

I added a References section with a {{Reflist}} template.--ukexpat (talk) 23:10, 7 February 2013 (UTC)