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July 13

Disappearing reflist

I can't get references - which are clearly placed within the body of the article, to appear as a reflist. Help! The article at issue is Amy Nauiokas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willi61028 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

You've named references, but never defined them! --Orange Mike | Talk 02:53, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

When you name a reference using <ref name = Name>citation text</ref>, and want to use it again, the code is:

<ref name = Name />

not (error in red):

<ref name = Name /ref>"

So I fixed it with this edit. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:56, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Correcting edit summaries

I posted an edit summary that I did not mean to. Is there anything I can do? XOttawahitech (talk) 04:10, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

You can make a dummy edit to provide a more useful edit summary. RudolfRed (talk) 04:43, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

After consulting Help, I still can't find out how to eliminate this "Text ignored" notice

Dear volunteers, I am writing an article, currently in my sandbox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SCHolar44/sandbox) following its (deserved) very heavy trimming by another person.

I was not involved in writing the earlier article and I'm unaware of the text that gave rise to note; however, it is now irrelevant -- as far as I can see -- to the article.

I haven't been able to find a vertical line that has given rise to the note. Nor can I get to the note to initiate the deletion procedure in Help. I'd be grateful for some advice! SCHolar44 (talk) 09:22, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

I've resolved this issue for you; the name of the reference included a reserved character (vertical bar) that broke the reference. To fix this in the future, replace the vertical bar character in reference names with | and a vertical line will be displayed, but not recognised by the Wiki software. I hope this helps.  drewmunn  talk  09:44, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Drew! SCHolar44 (talk) 19:32, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Unnamed section

i want to update a list of movies of indian film actor hiralal/heeralal /; how can i do the same / can i email 12:27, 13 July 2013 (UTC)12:27, 13 July 2013 (UTC)12:27, 13 July 2013 (UTC)~akk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akht 2560 (talk • contribs)

Is this question about a Wikipedia article? If it is, please let us know which article. Maproom (talk) 12:57, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

There are lots of people named Hiralal, including Hiralal Sen; then there's the movie Hero Hiralal: you see our problem here. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:04, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

How do I credit a photo taken by Dante Liberatore that appears in Wikipedia article Frank Sanello

• Add a notice on your website specifying that the content is released under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license (or, in the case of an image, any other acceptable free license), and reply to this email saying you have done so and linking to where we can see the notice.

Please credit Dante Liberatore (my friend) as the photographer of the photo File:DOGS BEST JULY 1 2013.jpg on Frank Sanello captioned: "Sanello and his dogs, 2013"

Dante Liberatore grants Wikimedia full rights/access/whatever to the photo he took with his cell phone (!) of me and my two dogs.

Thank you very much!

Sincerely,

FrankSanello (talk) 17:26, 13 July 2013 (UTC)FrankSanello

Ask Dante to follow the guidance at WP:IOWN to provide Wikipedia with the licencing. We can't take your word for it. RudolfRed (talk) 17:59, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Creating page: John Bodkin

Section header changed to something more useful by ColinFine (talk) 20:34, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi,

I spent an hour yesterday trying to upload the embedded file below to Wikipedia and gave up in frustration. I also attach a copy of the file without footnotes in case my embedding doesn't work. The procedures are now so complicated that they are beyond my meagre IT skills. For example, I was asked to answer questions that I could not answer because I didn't understand the questions.

For the record, I have uploaded similar type files on Wikipedia, namely, "Sibella Cottle" and "Timothy Brecknock" without any great difficulty.

It would be a shame if people like me were to be excluded from making contributions to a wonderful website that I use all the time.

This is not intended to be a criticism, just a plea for help. If you could upload my attached file, I would be more than happy to edit it as I have had no great difficulty in editing my previous entries.

Many thanks and best wishes,

Paul B McNulty

Extended content

John Bodkin of Belclare, Tuam, Co Galway, Ireland (c.1720 – 1742) John Bodkin (c.1720 – 1742), Esquire. Born the second son of Counsellor-at-law, John Bodkin and Mary Clarke of Carrowbeg House, Belclare, Tuam, County Galway, Ireland. When John Bodkin was found guilty of murdering his older brother, Dominick, in 1739, his response mystified the clergy, the sheriff and the gentlemen of the city. On the gibbet at Gallows Green (now Eyre Square), Galway, he refused to acknowledge his innocence or guilt of the heinous crime of fratricide. Instead, as the noose tightened around his neck, he proclaimed I forgive Mankind implying that he was innocent. Despite his public pronouncement, he was hanged, drawn and quartered in 1742. John Bodkin’s possible innocence is investigated in a historical novel, The Bloody Bodkins, in which John protects the identity of the reputed killer. The novel draws on a description of the incident in Pue’s Occurrences in 1741, later amplified by Oliver J Burke in his 1885 Anecdotes of the Connaught Circuit… (p 86-92) except that Burke referred to the victim as Patrick Bodkin rather than as Dominick Bodkin. Burke may have exercised licence to avoid confusion with John’s uncle, the infamous Dominick “Blind” Bodkin. In fact, Patrick was the younger rather than the older brother of John Bodkin as recorded by Pue’s Occurrences: Yesterday (Friday, 19 Mar 1742) came on at the Assizes held here (Galway), the Trial of John Bodkin, Esq., for the murder of his eldest brother, Dominick Bodkin, Esq., on 3rd May 1739… More recent accounts have followed Burke’s naming of the victim as Patrick Bodkin but Dominick Bodkin is used here following his identification, as the victim, by primary sources. In 1739, the demise of John’s brother was considered as a natural death by Lord Athenry, the local Justice of the Peace. The suggestion that he was murdered only came to light in the aftermath of the Bodkin murders in 1741. In this inheritance-motivated family feud, three members of the Bodkin family, Oliver Bodkin, Oliver’s pregnant wife, Margery, his son, Oliver, a visitor, Marcus Lynch of Galway and from four to seven unnamed servants were murdered. On the gallows in 1741, a member of the Bodkin family convicted of the Bodkin murders, accused John Bodkin of murdering his older brother. On hearing the charge, John Bodkin absconded but was arrested shortly afterwards and charged with fratricide. At the subsequent trial, he was found guilty and executed on Saturday, 20 March 1742 as recorded in Pue’s Occurrences: Last Saturday, John Bodkin Esq. was executed here; he neither confessed or denied the murder of his Brother; he was applied to by the High Sheriff and all the Gentlemen present to declare whether he was guilty or not; but could not be prevailed upon to give any Answer; after he pulled down his Cap and was just about to be thrown off, the Gentlemen and the Clergy begged he would satisfy the Publick of his Guilt or Innocence upon which he put back his Cap and begged they would let him die in Peace, and would make no other answer, but forgave Mankind; upon which he was thrown off and in 3 minutes cut down alive, his Privy Parts cut out, and his Bowels taken from him and his Head severed from his Body. The question remains whether John Bodkin was guilty of murder or a victim of a miscarriage of justice. File:John Bodkin of Belclare 1.doc John Bodkin of Belclare, Tuam, Co Galway, Ireland (c.1720 – 1742)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmcnulty1 (talk • contribs) 18:12, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Paul. I'm afraid I'm confused by what you're asking. As far as I can see, you created Sibella Cottle in the usual way, by editing a new page in the Wikipedia editor, and inserting the text. That is not something I would call "uploading", but perhaps you have a different understanding of the word. What exactly did you try and do, and what happened? (I notice that the text you inserted above appears to reference a file with a 'doc' extension: this is not supported on Wikipedia, and makes me wonder if you think that you can somehow send a MS Word file to Wikipedia and it be an article?

If you are creating new pages, I would strongly recommend that you use the WP:Article Wizard, which will help you through the many difficulties of doing so.

One more point: if the word "upload" is a red herring, and you tried to do something the same way that worked before, it is possible that you are seeing a problem with the new VisualEditor, which has been rolled out in the last few days. --ColinFine (talk) 20:33, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Note: You can edit the old way (that is, not use the new VisualEditor) by clicking the "Edit source" tab, rather than the "Edit" tab. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 22:15, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Frank Sanello

It's me again! Some Wikipedians question the claim in Frank Sanello that Frank Sanello (ME) required a citation re: Sanello has interviewed many celebrities...etc.

Does Wikipedia allow EXTERNAL LINKS to paid or fee-based search engines like HighBeam? HighBeam has 38 articles for sale :( written by or about me and/or my books/career.

Here is a link to my articles on HighBeam. http://www.highbeam.com/Search?searchTerm=frank%20sanello or

HighBeam articles by and about Frank Sanello article on Wikipedia

Another Wikipedian suggested, rightfully, that the article on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Sanello (ME) should show a range of reviews of my 19+ published books, listed on OpenLibrary.org and of course, Amazon, etc.

The above link to HighBeam contains a very wide range of reviews of my books and articles I wrote.

To avoid conflict with NPOV and "autobiography" guidelines, I will not insert any of these articles in Frank Sanello.

If another Wiki editor cares to do so, thank you very, very much.

Another kind Wikipedian added a photo of my dogs and me. Thanks, Revent/Ray!

Since someone questioned my resume as an entertainment journalist who has interviewed a lot of actors and other celebrities, I have copyrights to photos of me together with Gregory Peck, Sally Field, Dolly Parton, Ann Jillian, Cliff Robertson, Jon Voight, Lassie (!) (I'm seen in the photo interviewing Lassie's...lawyer!

Should I submit these photos I've scanned into my computer as JPGs to Wikimedia? I can't find the email address to donate photos to Wikipedia.

Sincerely,

FrankSanello (talk) 18:55, 13 July 2013 (UTC)FrankSanello

Wikipedia's policy does not allow editors to count citations in order to conclude (on their own) anything - that is considered original research. So to support the sentence "Sanello has interviewed many celebrities", what is needed is a good source (a newspaper or magazine article, typically) that says, explicitly, something like "Sanello is widely known because of his celebrity interviews". Editors themselves cannot decide what data would adequately support the word "many".

Regarding Highbeam, it's perfectly fine to cite an article that Highbeam has in its database, and to link to a page on Highbeam that has summary information about that article. And yes, it's helpful to have such links in the article, though (of course) even more helpful to link to something more accessible, such as a NY Times review. You could increase the likelihood of these links being added to the article if you were to put the proposed additions on the article talk page, ideally already prepared as footnotes.

Regarding photos, unless you took them yourself, or you hired someone to take the photos (and explicitly own the copyright), you should not upload photos to Wikipedia. If you do own the copyright, we of course would welcome your uploading the pictures to Wikimedia Commons, here. Please also note that to complete the uploading, you have to allow the pictures to be used by anyone, free of charge, even commercially - not just Wikipedia; at most you can require attribution. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 22:13, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Where do I start on a problematic BLP?

I've encountered a problematic new BLP where criticisms outweigh biographic material, but I think it falls more into "coatrack" than "attack", so I am not considering speedy deletion. The notability of the subject is unclear, but I think it would fail on review. The criticisms are focused on a single activity, which might be notable enough for a BLP1E, but I'm not sure there was enough independent coverage. Everything about it screams trouble, but I'm not sure how much. What is the best method to elicit a fair sampling of opinions (e.g. an RfC on the talk page) when you encounter a BLP that seems less than kosher?Novangelis (talk) 21:45, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Um, WP:BLPN? If you don't think it is 'kosher', it is best to err on the side of caution, and get others familiar with policy to have a look. RfCs etc can come later, when basic compliance issues are sorted out. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:54, 13 July 2013 (UTC)