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July 22

My writing and a "Point Of View" problem

I am routinely being accused by one user, that my edits are not neutral. but:

• my edits are well supported by source, that everyone accepts.
• There is no opposing view, according to some other RS I have checked with. But of course, there could be possibly other views that I am not aware of.

This guy, usually delete my edits because of supposedly Non Npov, although the rule is: "As a general rule, do not remove sourced information from the encyclopedia solely on the grounds that it seems biased. Instead, try to rewrite the passage or section to achieve a more neutral tone". It does not help to tell him that in my opinion it is objective, and he can add supposedly opposing opinions to "balance" it.

The bottom line is that a lot of my writings is deleted.

Am I wrong? What can I improve? Ykantor (talk) 01:32, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

• Part of it may be that your interest runs to controversial topics. Are you saying that another editor keeps reverting your changes to several different articles? If not, try discussing your changes on the talk page of the article. You could seek the opinion of another editor at WP:3. If none of that works, there's WP:DRN. —rybec 02:20, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

As I wrote, it was discussed with him but to no avail. I would like to hear that either he is generally wrong, OR that I miss something and I am wrong. Ykantor (talk) 07:22, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

@Ykantor: Four points for you to consider:

• You don't seem to understand what {{citation needed}} means. In this edit, you added a reason to the template. That's incorrect - what is needed is a citation/source: a book or magazine article or newspaper article, for example. In other words, the correct thing to do is to replace the template with a real citation, not add "reason=" to the template.
• It is possible to include too much information, in an article, about something. This is considered a violation of WP:UNDUE. Obviously what is "too much" and what is acceptable is a subjective matter; that's why Wikipedia depends on (rough) consensus when editors disagree.
• On article talk pages, you like to write long posts, covering multiple points. This is almost always a mistake. It's much better to write a short section dealing with a single issue (covering, hopefully, at most a paragraph in the article; maybe just a sentence from the article; if more is involved, it should be because of a single edit by someone else). Quoting a supporting source for why you want to add or modify text is always good. If you are proposing to delete something, you need to explain why - WP:RS or WP:UNDUE, or example. You should never write about why you think another editor is doing something; focus solely on the article. If you can avoid the word "you", except in sentences where you say something like "You deleted ... and I don't understand why", that's best.
• You might want to read Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual/Collaborating with Other Editors/Resolving Content Disputes; this has a lot of advice, including lots of links to other pages within Wikipedia that offer advice.

Finally, I note that you have opened a discussion - WP:DR/N#1947–48 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine - regarding your disagreement with Pluto2012, as well as complaining, above, about his actions. Per WP:FORUMSHOP, it is strongly discouraged for an editor to start discussions on the same topic in multiple places. I suggest that you let the discussion at WP:DR/N come to a full conclusion before you return to the Help desk with any related questions. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 22:41, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your elaborated reply. to your points:

• citation needed - Thanks. I will follow your correction.
• too much information- That is the reason why my in line contributions are relatively condensed while the rest is shifted to footnotes. ( which he tends to delete -sort of " you have been told few times that quotes in the foot notes are not needed")
• talk page-write a short section dealing with a single issue. I will follow your advice.
• If you are proposing to delete something- I usually add content rather than content deletion.
• avoid the word "you"- Yes, this is a good advice. I have to follow it.
• read Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual- thanks. I will read it.
• same topic in multiple places.- Here I do not agree with you. The DRN is concerning one case only. The help question is about the general rule: "As a general rule, do not remove sourced information from the encyclopedia solely on the grounds that it seems biased. Instead, try to rewrite the passage or section to achieve a more neutral tone". I will appreciate it very much if you elaborate on that issue:

1. I might be wrong and the rule is not related. OR
2. He disregards the rule. What can be done to let him understand that point. Ykantor (talk) 04:22, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Locating articles without Interlanguage links

Hi all. Is there any tool or bot, which can list all the articles not having interlanguage links on a given Wikipedia. Specifically, I want to do this on pa.wiki . --Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 02:28, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

solved. --Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 09:09, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Rollback topicon won't appear

I hope I'm in the right place. I tried searching the archives and couldn't find anything on this. I tried adding the Template:Rollback topicon to my user page. It added Category:Wikipedia rollbackers to my user page but it didn't add the cute little icon at the top right-hand corner. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:18, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

It's overlapping with the autopatrolled topicon. If you do {{Rollback topicon|icon_nr=1}} it will show up. RudolfRed (talk) 05:22, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Rudolf! MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:51, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Spurious Orphaned non-free media emails ?

Hi, I have received a number of Orphaned non-free media emails today, for example a notification of File:Murder at the Savoy (Swe).jpg being unused. But I have checked and it is in use , and moreover has been continously in use in recent days & weeks... Any ideas what's happened ? GrahamHardy (talk) 08:45, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

According to the file page, it's not in use on English Wikipedia. If it is still in use, it'll be on another language project. English Wikipedia doesn't like you storing non-free files that are not used on any English Language articles, so it'd be best to move it to the (or one of the) languages where it is used.  drewmunn  talk  08:51, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

But isn't it used in article Murder at the Savoy??? GrahamHardy (talk) 08:58, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Looks like there was a bot issue, see User talk:Hazard-SJ. The bot has been switched off pending investigation... GrahamHardy (talk) 09:00, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

See that, thanks. For now, you may find it useful to add a note on the image page stating that it is used on that page, so passing admins/other editors can find usage until the issue is resolved.  drewmunn  talk  09:07, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I made a null edit at Murder at the Savoy, and that fixed up the "file usage" section on the file page. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:11, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the problem is not with the bot, but in the file page not showing the file is used. A null edit to the article fixes the problem, but we still don't know what caused this.

My page Title

Hi,

How can I add the title of a page I have written as currently it shows my user name only? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pav1981 (talk • contribs) 10:50, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

If you are asking whether you can amend the title so that the material on User:Pav1981 becomes an article, I suggest you read the Wikipedia:Notability guidelines - in particular Wikipedia:Notability (music). I very much doubt that your DJ collective would meet the guidelines, and the article would almost certainly be deleted. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:07, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Not-quite-an-article articles

So in NPP i run across a lot of articles like this, especially recently, where the article is cited and superficially acceptable, but not terribly 'wikipedic' - it looks like advertising to me, but it is cited to third party sources and it's not "unambiguous" advertising if that's what it is. Anyone have tips for dealing with these? Mark as patrolled and move on? --TKK ^{bark !} 14:11, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Things like that (terrible) article should probably be PRODded and then AFD'd if that fails. — Richard BB 14:44, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

That's what I thought but I wanted someone else to confirm my thoughts. Thank you! --TKK ^{bark !} 14:50, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

The article was created (with a misleading title) solely to promote a non-notable business. Maproom (talk) 14:59, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Share image between wikipedia

I was wondering what is the policy of sharing image between interwiki? If I would like to add an info box from a different language wikipedia. For example, the japanese wikipedia. And I want to use the image to the english wikipedia. What is the process of using the image in the ja wiki domain to the enwiki? do I copy the image? I cannot find any documentation on how this is done and what is the policy. --natadecoco (talk) 14:39, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

If the image on ja Wikipedia is a freely licensed image, it can be uploaded to Commons so that it is available to all Wikimedia projects. If it is not a free image, but complies with en Wikipedia's non-free content criteria, it can be uploaded and used here provided that an appropriate non-free rationale template is added.--ukexpat (talk) 14:56, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

@Napoleon.tan: Regarding adding a template via copy/paste (if this indeed was a question): No. If you really like the format enough, you can build a similar template here at the English Wikipedia.

Regarding the image, if you click on it, you should be taken to an information page that will tell you if the image is already at the Wikimedia Commons (all the Wikipedias use that) or if it is local to the Japanese Wikipedia only. (Or two clicks; I tested the image at http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B0%E3%83%A9%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%82%A4%E3%83%88 ). -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:46, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I was wondering what is the process of moving an image to the uploads? for example for the jawiki image (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%82%A4%E3%83%AB:Kuzakai-Sta.JPG) it is under creative commons license so it can be move to commons. what is the process? i copy it to commons, then delete it in jawiki? then for the article on jawiki that uses this, i re-point it to the commons? am I correct on this assumption? Is there a gadget or tool to do this? --natadecoco (talk) 00:37, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

@Napoleon.tan: I can tell you about processes here at en.wiki, but not at ja.wiki. Each language Wikipedia has its own policies, guidelines, and processes, though there is some overlap because tools at toolserver do work on different language wikis. Anyway, here at en.wiki, I think the process is to tag the picture for moving to Commons (which wouldn't work in your case; the image isn't in the English Wikipedia), and then a bot takes care of it. If you own the image at ja.wiki, and - ideally - have the original, then one solution is for you to upload it to Commons directly [see the link on the left side of this page, under Toolbox), and give it exactly the same file name. I believe that the Mediawiki software (used on all Wikipedia) does this: (a) check the local wiki for an image source, and (b) if it's not at the local wiki, then check Commons. (It might be the other way.) In any case, you do not have to repoint the link in the article - if you use the same file name at Commons, the software will find it. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 16:50, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

F A Meier

I want to add a photo to this page. The photo was taken by Lafayette Photography 60 or 70 years ago. I have asked them whether they will give permission for this photo to be used freely as required by Wikipedia. They have asked me whether they will be credited for its use. I don't know the answer to this question and haven't been able to find it in FAQ. Joanatwiki (talk) 15:18, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

We can give them a credit on the image information page, but usually per WP:CREDITS we don't give credits in image captions in articles. If this is OK with them, please upload the image to Commons and send the permission to the e-mail address referred to at WP:IOWN.--ukexpat (talk) 16:11, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Interwiki link asymmetric

The article Gare de Lalinde is linked form French to English, but not vice-versa, can someone fix ? Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 15:22, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

 Done - there were two WikiData records about the station so I have merged them, at d:Q3096837.--ukexpat (talk) 16:16, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Changing the case in the title

The entry Plndr is about a company which is actually normally all capitalized as PLNDR - could that be changed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pbetts11 (talk • contribs) 16:53, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

The current title is in compliance with Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks; while it could be changed, it should not be. Dru of Id (talk) 17:17, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

God, we have MOS directions for everything :-) --NeilN ^{talk to me} 19:07, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

• It could be changed if it is the common name. Insulam Simia (talk) 18:01, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Is oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com a RS?

Hello, the site oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com could be regarded as reliable sources or not? They said they provide some context of Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary. If so, is this website really provide all content of OALD?--,mabsdf,b (talk) 18:46, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

It's published by the Oxford University Press so I would say yes, it's reliable.--ukexpat (talk) 18:57, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

How to Add useful pictures in wikipedia article..???

Hi i have doubt about adding photographs in wiki articles.. basically am a photographer from Tamilnadu,INDIA. I have selected attractive pictures of few places in Tamilnadu, I have to make that pictures useful one to peoples who want preview particular place if they need.. Am not basically a computer student to know about programming and all stuffs.. am a general user.. how to upload pictures from my personal computer to wiki articles ..?? i tried few times but I confused with process of Edit source option.. can u please guide me to upload pictures in easiest way in wiki articles.. .

Sukumaran Sundar from Tamilnadu,INDIA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sukumaransundar (talk • contribs) 18:46, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Standard advice follows:

• If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must determine the proper license of the image (or whether it is in the public domain). If you know the image is public domain or copyrighted but under a suitable free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure of the licensing status, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy.

• If you want to add an image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, add [[File:File name.jpg|thumb|Caption text]] to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, and Caption text with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information. I hope this helps.--ukexpat (talk) 18:56, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Formulas or equations

Is there a translator of equations from MathType to whatever format is used in Wiki? David in Cincinnati (talk) 19:09, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure whether I understand your question correctly. It is possible to display formulas in Wikipedia like they are written on paper. Wikipedia uses special math markup for that, please see Help:Displaying a formula. For example, the markup <math>\sqrt[3]{x^3+y^3 \over 2}</math> displays as ${\sqrt[{3}]{x^{3}+y^{3} \over 2}}$. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 19:56, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I think David is asking if MathType formulas can be translated into LaTeX, the format Wikipedia uses. I think one can do it, if I've read our article on MathType correctly. ~HueSatLum 00:00, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Administrative law judge

The web site for Georgia ALJs: www.osah.ga.gov — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.98.158.181 (talk) 22:39, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a question about Wikipedia? We have an article about Administrative law judge but I don't see why it should mention the web site for Georgia ALJs if that's what you have in mind. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:46, 22 July 2013 (UTC)