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February 25

Audio files are missing the length

When an audio file is included, it does miss the total length of the audio playback which is not very nice UX. (e.g. Stephen Frys infobox with his voice) 78.35.216.103 (talk) 01:12, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Try asking at WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 22:11, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Harold Ramis

On his page, it says he collaborated with Eugene Levy on Caddyshack. He did not. He did though on the film Club Paradise, which you did not list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.213.8 (talk) 01:30, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't see anywhere in Harold Ramis that is says that he collaborated with Eugene Levy on Caddyshack. And I do see a mention of Club Paradise. I sugest that you suggest specific changes at Talk:Harold Ramis DES ^(talk) 01:42, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

A former version claimed it. The article is frequently edited at the moment due to his recent death. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:53, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Birth/death dates in article text of subject's parents

Is there a guideline somewhere that says that we should/shouldn't put birth/death dates in the article text of the subject's parents? Something like "John Doe is the son of Joseph Doe (1934-1994) and Jane Doe (1935- )." I know I can be bold and remove such text if I don't like it, so please don't point me to WP:BOLD. I'm just looking for some guideline that says one way or another is preferred. I thought I remembered seeing something like this but I can't recall where. Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 01:51, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't know of any specific guideline on the point. If the dates are cited, or not challenged as inaccurate, then the question would be whether they are relevant to the article on the child. They might well be, if hardly essential. If giving only years they can't possibly assist identity theft, I see no harm that is at all likely. DES ^(talk) 14:41, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Harsha Bhogle

Reference help requested.

Hi could anyone help me fix up this Harsha Bhogle article? I thought I should update it with his latest work.

Cheers! Thanks, Chaitanya1317 (talk) 05:33, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I've done a few things, but you can learn how to use citation templates to add references. Also, you may want to review the guideline on external links. Anon126 (talk - contribs) 06:56, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Notability of academic journals

Dear editors: I am trying to help a new editor who is creating an article about a journal, the type in which researchers publish their results. I am trying to explain about reliable sources. I thought that I would use as examples a couple of existing journals. Much to my surprise, after looking at 20 or so articles with titles beginning "Journal of...", I am unable to find even one with multiple sources showing that the journal has been written about extensively in other publications. Am I missing something? How can one tell if a journal is "notable"? And if journals are supposed to have external sources, can someone point me to an appropriate example? Thanks. —Anne Delong (talk) 05:46, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Nature (journal) has plenty of sources. Dismas|^(talk) 11:17, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Essays Wikipedia:Notability (periodicals) and more specifically Wikipedia:Notability (academic journals) (the latter are a subset of the former) may be helpful to some degree. User:DGG might be able to offer some advice. I note that the article on Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society, the oldest and longest-running scientific journal in the world, is distinctly lacking in significant coverage in independent sources.

I guess the page in question is Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/American Journal of Experimental and Clinical Research? Arthur goes shopping (talk) 11:32, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but I wanted to give general advice on notability, so I will refer the editor to Wikipedia:Notability (academic journals). I checked out Nature (journal), and it appears to have plenty of sources, but of the ones that are online, if you discount sources that aren't about the journal, sources that are from the journal itself, sources that are Wikipedia articles, and press releases, there isn't that much left. Thanks, everyone, for your input. —Anne Delong (talk) 14:59, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Nature, being perhaps the most famous journal in the world, has sources, but this is an unusual exception. The GNG simply does not work for this type of material (it also does not work for newspapers and popular periodicals). The usual rule for inclusion is being covered by selective indexes. There is incomplete agreement over which indexes are sufficiently selective, but no journal with coverage in Journal citation Reports has been deleted in the last 5 year sat least. (they are heavily biased against anything that is not a mainstream English language journal from a major science=producing country, and in any case cannot by their very nature include journals with less than two years of publication data, which means that we can not limit ourself to this one criterion.) the journal in question is however very dubious for inclusion on any reasonable criterion: they have so far published only one issue,and are not sponsored by any reputable institution or established publisher. If there were references to it, they'd just be PR. I've commented accordingly. I try to avoid just referring people to our complicated and usually ambiguous policy has if it were meaningful explanation DGG ( talk ) 17:18, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Create a page

How do I create a page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaltecLtd (talk • contribs) 09:48, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

A welcome message has been added to your talk page. It has at least one link that answers this. Welcome to Wikipedia! Dismas|^(talk) 11:15, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Moving article from Sandbox

I added an article back in December User:Philip1951/sandbox Suters Limited – A brief History of the company and the people behind it How long does it take approximately before it becomes live? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philip1951 (talk • contribs) 11:25, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Before today, you were likely the only person who knew that the page even existed. Editors don't generally go looking through other editor's sandboxes. They are there for your use, for the most part. I've placed a welcome message on your talk page but the gist of your question can likely be answered at Wikipedia:Your first article. Welcome to Wikipedia! Dismas|^(talk) 11:35, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Charles Frederick Worth

This article was moved to Charles Worth with no prior discussions al all, and although the editor may have meant well there is a reason for using his complete name. I have reverted the talk page but cannot seem to find how to revert the article itself. Help /guidance appreciated.Thanks Edmund Patrick – confer 11:37, 25 February 2014 (UTC) 11:36, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Generally, you don't want to move the talk page by itself. It will move with the main article when that is moved. (well, technically there is a checkbox asking if the talk page should be moved as well)

To answer your question though, you could ask discuss the move with the editor who moved the page. Starting a discussion on the talk page for other editors to see would probably be most beneficial. If you can't move the article back on your own, you could ask an admin to do it at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Though the admin is going to want a well reasoned argument as to why it should be done. Dismas|^(talk) 11:40, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, interestingly the talk page had the undo option but the article page did not, I assumed (!) or hoped that do one and other follows.Thanks, I have left a message with the editor in question. The reasonable discussion should have been before the move not now, I am now having to spend time on having to argue against something that should not have happened in the first place Ta.Edmund Patrick – confer 11:58, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

2013 Bulgarian protests against the Borisov cabinet

Unusual cite error (in the "Public reactions to the protests" section) message appeared out of the blue, I tried everything, but am unable to fix it. If someone could please take a quick look. Thank you beforehand! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.85.13.29 (talk) 12:02, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done. You had a surplus <ref> tag. References need to appear either as a <ref ... > ... </ref> pair, or (where a reference has a name and no content) a single <ref name = "..." />. --ColinFine (talk) 12:14, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much, it's extremely appreciated, as I tend to be the perfectionist type and article layout matters to me quite a bit! All the best! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.85.4.196 (talk) 10:48, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Caption layout

If I have a tall, thin picture and a long caption, is there any way I can give the caption more horizontal space without increasing the size of the image? 86.176.209.54 (talk) 13:44, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Not inside a standard thumb. You can try using a template like {{Image frame}}. — Edokter (talk) — 14:24, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Judging by their edit history, I'm assuming they mean the image here. It looks perfectly fine to me; if it's an issue for other users I would suggest just editing the image and adding some whitespace to the sides and refrain from using unconventional templates in actual articles. Scarce2 (talk) 14:31, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

IMHO a slightly larger image helps - 100px gives 14 lines of text, 130px only 9, so the length is no greater, but the image is clearer and by avoiding one word per line in the caption, the text is more readable. Arjayay (talk) 15:03, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you're right of course. Thanks. 86.176.209.54 (talk) 18:22, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Copy/Import a article from a foreign Wikipedia into English Wikipedia?

I found an article in the German Wikipedia that is about an American Athlete. This article is NOT listed in the English wiki. Can I just copy and paste a google translation of that story? I understand I may need to clean up the English as not everything will translate 100% correctly. I can handle that. What I don't know is if there is different procedure in place for doing this or if there is some method that should be done to cite that this is being taken (more or less) verbatim from the German site? RedRamage (talk) 17:06, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Guidance is at Wikipedia:Translation. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:14, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks much! RedRamage (talk) 17:19, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

You should show attribution of the source text by placing {{translated page}} on the talkpage of your article when you are done. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:26, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

What was that template?

A long time ago, I stumbled across a template that could be used to display content with a border and caption very similar to image formatting. This was not a quote template like {{quote box}}, though the formatting was very similar. You could use it around latex, IIRC, though I failed to use it for a {{clade}}-based tree (I didn't know of {{cladogram}} at the time). I'm ultimately asking because I'd like to treat a floral formula like a captioned image. Circéus (talk) 18:07, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Found it. Thatw as {{image frame}}. Circéus (talk) 19:30, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

How to delete box at top of page asking for citations/verifications

I have added citations on the page called The Westport Library; how do I delete the box asking for citations for verification?Franksaid (talk) 18:19, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

There should be a template on the top of the editing area about it, just delete that. It'll be inside of squiggly brackets and look something like {{template}} Supernerd11 :D Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 18:36, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

However, there are still some unreferenced claims in the article. Are you able to provide references for these? Thanks for providing the references that you have. Mjroots (talk) 18:39, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Franksaid, you would remove the notice by deleting {{refimprove|date=February 2014}} near the top of the article. However I see that all but one of the added citations are to The Westport Library 1908-2008 Century Report, which looks as if it might not be independent of the library, and the other is to a grant notice from the "Institute of Museum and Library Services". Such notices often draw heavily on the grant applications drafted by the institutions applying for grants. Any additions clearly independent sources would be welcome. DES ^(talk) 18:56, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

edited page but doesnt´get displayed

hi everyone, probably a very basic question - I edited the page SIETAR in english, but made the mistake to include a facebook link to an ngo. so it doesnt get desplayed now - what shall i do. I can still preview my edits, but it doesnt get onlien!! please some help! thanks very much!!! barbara here is the link!!!--Bcovarrubiasvenegas (talk) 18:22, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

There is no article SIETAR; but there is an article Society for Intercultural Education, Training and Research. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:29, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Language like Here is a list of upcoming LINK REMOVED events from the SIETAR network worldwide. Just click on an event to get more information! is grossly inappropriate promotion and will be removed immediately by the first editor to spot it. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:34, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I see that TheRedPenOfDoom has taken Orange Mike's hint, and done an excellent job of improving the article. Maproom (talk) 23:37, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

How do I download a wikipedia PNG image to my Mac?

Here is the file:

File:Stern-Gerlach experiment.PNG

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mheaney (talk • contribs) 18:59, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Right click anywhere on the image. Select save as. -- Fauzan^{✆ talk} _{✉ email} 19:14, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Danny Care

Danny Care (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi

I am Danny's father and I keep his Wikipedia page up to date

Unfortunately someone else updated the page after last Saturday's England v Ireland and they created a formatting problem that I don't know how to correct

Ideally could an "expert" phone me on (Redacted) and talk me through how to put it right

Many thanks

ALAN CARE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.67.167.156 (talk) 19:09, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

As Danny's father, you have a conflict of interest and should not be editing the article directly (except in extreme/egregious cases of inappropriate content). In the future, please make your suggestions of edits on the article talk page and wait for a neutral party to review and determine appropriateness. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:38, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

But I have to say that he did score a brilliant try on Saturday against Ireland, epic stuff!--ukexpat (talk) 20:02, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I created a book but it has disappeared!

How can I find a book that I started to compile intending to print it through Wikipedia. My book was entitled : My Magical Garden in Kuwait. I have read/searched the FAQ but I can't find out how long a book will be saved for . I had been adding to the book over the period of a few months and then I left the project and now i can not locate it in my account.. I hope someone can guide me retrieving the book..

Thank you

19:17, 25 February 2014 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malmousa (talk • contribs)

IIRC your Wikipedia account has to be autoconfirmed before you can save and download books.--ukexpat (talk) 19:59, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Newly-registered accounts can save books to their user space; saving to the "Book:" namespace needs the autoconfirmed status. But, Malmousa, I'm afraid this post at the help desk is the first edit saved by your account, so your work has not been saved. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:51, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification.--ukexpat (talk) 20:56, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Ted Genoways Bio

Regarding this page:

Ted Genoways

Why is the entire history of what he did at U.Va left out and the fact that he drove someone to suicide?

https://www.readthehook.com/66869/cover-tale-woe-death-vqrs-kevin-morrissey

I am JUST a reader. I don't know any of these people or have any connection to any of their groups, lawyers, institutions or whatever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.3.195 (talk) 20:01, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Probably because all of that would require very careful sourcing to comply with WP:BLP. A single report in a local newspaper isn't going to be enough.--ukexpat (talk) 20:04, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

The section Ted Genoways#Controversy already includes some coverage of this matter, although not nearly at the length of the story you link to. As Ukexpat says, this kind of incident requires very careful and very through sourcin in any Wikipedia article. You could suggest additions and changes at Talk:Ted Genoways, if you like. DES ^(talk) 20:11, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

How to block editor

Someone continues to sabotage our page (WRFF). The IP address is 68.45.204.148-you can look and see how many times they have edited it with incorrect information. How do we go about blocking this person from access to our page?

20:34, 25 February 2014 (UTC)~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Radioriot1045 (talk • contribs)

Hi Radioriot; so first of all you should know that no one owns any Wikipedia page. Wikipedia pages can be edited by anyone and no one person has control over any article. Since the page appears to be being vandalised by multiple IPs, you should make a request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection for the page to be semi-protected. This will stop anyone without an autoconfirmed account from editing the page. Currently that would include yourself, but once you've had the account for 4 days and made 10 edits you'll be autoconfirmed. Lastly you should read the Conflict of Interest guidelines, which outline why it's generally a bad idea to work on articles you're related to or being paid to work on. Samwalton9 (talk) 20:44, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

My entry

Daniel Curzon (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Why is somebody named Leigh making changes on my webpage? What does he know of me or my work? Some items from critics Louie Crew and Philip Clark seem to have been removed. I have a new publisher, Wisehouse of Sweden, which is publishing four of my previous POD books as mainstream publisher books. So far they have done HALFWAY TO THE STARS: Cable Car Tales of a Grumpy Gripman and THE BIG BOOK OF IN-YOUR-FACE GAY ETIQUETTE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielcurzon (talk • contribs) 20:59, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

for starters, 1) it is not "your" webpage, it can be edited by anyone who follows Wikipedia policies for content (and behavior). 2) as a person with a conflict of interest you may not be able to fully apply Wikipedia's neutral point of view to your own work, and so you should not edit the article directly (except in extreme cases of egregious material). 3) We only use what we can verify as having been previously published in a reliable source. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:07, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

TV screenshot

Hi, I placed a picture on the article of Westley Allan Dodd from a TV show. Is the non-free rationale fine enough to remove the blue part of the Licensing? --Japanesehelper (talk) 22:05, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Note: The source you provided may be a copyright violation, which should never be linked. I've replaced it with a link to the Wikipedia article on the show. Anon126 (talk - contribs) 23:01, 25 February 2014 (UTC)