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March 26

Tweleve Visions Party

I was Informed that The Tweleve Visions Party had a page on Wikipedia, I could notfind the page. I had heard this is a new insite on how Americans can Live. If the page has been removed please restore it. I'm sure all Americans would like to evaluate and consider any options available to them...Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valuabel1 (talk • contribs) 00:47, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

There was a deletion discussion on the Twelve Visions Party. See Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Twelve_Visions_Party. You might want to request deletion review, but first read the deletion discussion, and consider how Wikipedia's notability guidelines apply. (While I did !vote for deletion, I can see that an argument can be made, as the closer did, that the consensus was DELETE, but I can also see that an argument can be made that there was no consensus.) Robert McClenon (talk) 01:31, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

urgent help please

Hello Sir or Madam

I am searching for my friend who come from India to Finish Mba last year .Her name is Oindrila .I got her message before one and half months before that she has some health problem . Please I need her information . If you can can help me , I will be grateful to you . If you know anything about her pleasde inform me On my Email addres Again I inform you , Her name is Oindrila from India. She come to Atlanta to study at Emroy University in Mba last year . Need her infromation .Please I am her online friend . I look forward to hearing from you soon

Thank you very much

Kittu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.55.115.203 (talk) 02:04, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:40, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

YouTube citation help

How does one cite a specific YouTube video? WP:RS isn't a problem, because it's a major media source, and WP:COPYLINK isn't a problem, because the network itself uploaded it. I just don't know if we have any YouTube-specific citation tools, or if I should just hand-write the citation. Nyttend (talk) 02:50, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

How about {{Cite AV media}}?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:54, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Flags of the world

Hi, relatively new user Norasisl (talk · contribs) apparently intends to share the "Flags of the World" with WikipediA, existing SVGs not withstanding, and sometimes using not exactly obvious names, e.g., File:Flag with motto (ribbon) inside.png instead of File:Flag of Brazil.svg, or File:Flag with soyombo hoist.png instead of File:Flag of Mongolia.svg. Beats me, I added {{vector version available}} everywhere, looked on the messy talk page, speed read the speedy deletion policy, and arrived at the conclusion that this requires an expert with tact (= not me). –Be..anyone (talk) 04:47, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

They were previously uploading these files on Commons, and I have been nominating them for deletion as they come. That is probably why they are being uploaded here instead now. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:22, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

On commons an editor suggested to overrule {{copy to commons}} with {{Do not move to Commons}}. I'm not sure about that idea, the "don't"-template is about fair use, not about "bogus raster image with better SVG already available". If the images are copied to commons, folks there have to wait until they are deleted here, and then they can also delete them there. WikiMedia won't get any KISS for this procedure. :-) –Be..anyone (talk) 07:14, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Editing the page on Panax Quinquifolia

I just joined Wikipedia because I was appalled at the misinformation and ignorance of the article on Panax Quinquifolia. The authors of the article go out of their way to tell us it is not "good for the common cold" without bothering to mention that it was never used to treat the "common cold" whatever that might technically be, by the Chinese who have done extensive resarch on this herb and have used it for centuries. I attempted to interject some intelligence into the article by touching the "pencil" icon but nothing happened. How do I edit the nonsense out and provide some credible insight into this wonderful and amazing herb? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Dennis Kinnane (talk • contribs) 07:10, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and added a welcome message to your talk page that may help answer some of your questions as well as provide links to some helpful pages here at Wikipedia. I couldn't find an article by the name you gave but did find Panax quinquefolius.

To more directly answer your question, the article Panax quinquefolius can be edited by clicking on the "Edit" link at the top right of the article. Please provide reliable sources for your information. In order to help you with the references, references for beginners might be of help for our referencing style. Please be aware that your own personal knowledge cannot be used as a source for information. It must come from reliable published sources.

I see that the claim that you have a problem with is already referenced. Before removing that information, since it is referenced, it might be best to discuss the info on the talk page for the article which can be found at Talk:Panax quinquefolius. Other editors can then join in the conversation about whether or not that information should remain. Dismas|^(talk) 09:27, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Alex Masucci

Hi I wrote a whole piece on Alex Masucci well researched, pressed save and it said it would appear in 3 weeks is what I remember as I have more information to add to this bio of Alex Masucci.

Where did it disappear too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.70.135.132 (talk) 08:25, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Is it this? --Mdann52talk to me! 08:27, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

What is Wikipedia's policy in regard to news embargos?

Someone broke a news embargo on a discovery concerning asteroid 10199 Chariklo; someone posted information concerning the discovery in the Wikipedia entry, sourcing it to the Google cache of the since-taken-down article that broke the embargo, then someone else removed it with the edit note "Removed news that is still under embargo". I was going to revert the removal, but on a quick google I couldn't find any information concerning what Wikipedia's policy was concerning embargoed news. Might be good to know for if this comes up again in the future, and perhaps someone more sure about the matter than I would care to revert the edit. Doesn't seem to me that Wikipedia is necessarily under any obligation to honor an embargo once the info has been leaked, but again, I couldn't find any confirmation one way or another. —Robotech_Master (talk) 10:51, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what the policy is, if any, but that article has been in place since 2006, with multiple reliable sources, and those sources are presumably the criterion. What exactly is being embargoed?--Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:26, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Did you, um, check the page's edit history? Where the edit I mentioned can be found? —Robotech_Master (talk) 11:29, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any policy or guidelines on news embargoes. Suppose it should be considered on a case by case basis - articles are based on reliably published information and with an embargo in place it could be difficult to source embargoed information - I doubt Wikipedia is obliged to adhere to embargoes themselves though, besides common courtesy, which we are also not technically bound by. It could be argued that wral.com already broke the embargo in this case - no matter how quickly they withdrew the article. Unless there is a policy and I'm missing it, perhaps it warrens further discussion. WP:PUMP may be a good place for that. Яehevkor ✉ 11:44, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

We are not journalists and we are not bound by any journalistic code to abide by our source's preferred timing. and in any case our source (WRAL) did not make any request for delayed timing.

our concern is WP:V and WP:RS.

we generally consider major TV stations a reliable source. we generally consider third party archived web pages as proof of verification. therefore, unless WRAL has officially retracted the story on the basis of factual incorrectness (rather than simple journalistic courtesy they are extending to their source regarding timing), there is not really any issue about us covering it. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:45, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Reporting Fake (History) Page(s)

I have come across a wiki page that was filled with historical inaccuracies and that was made primarily by a community/caste to help uplift their social status by the looks of it. The references provided on the page do not come from valid sources, I have raised the same issue on March 20, 2014 and I was suggested to go to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution by Rwessel and also seek help from Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics by The Red Pen Of Doom. I was also suggested to put up the page(s) in question here, while I was researching on the same page; I found out that the same people of that community/caste were modifying other History pages and littering Wikipedia with other invalid information from irrelevant and questionable sources. Other wiki users have attempted to talk on their page (Reddy Dynasty), but they do not listen or act upon a consensus. Here are the links that are currently under watch by them -

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddy_dynasty
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasireddy_Clan (A static external website is being used as a source for this link)
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Chalukyas (Just the term "Vasireddy Nayaks", which I edited & removed it today)
4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_Raya_II#The_Empire
5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakatiya_dynasty#Demise_of_the_dynasty
6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Andhra_Pradesh#Reddy_Dynasty

Ajan (talk) 12:21, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

A search on google about "Reddi Dynasty" does not bring any reliable source to highlight the subject's importannce. The articles contain a number of words like 'golden age' and 'evil' which can be removed by you yourself. About 'fake', you may remove information if you don't find relevant reliable sources, or propose article deletion. Also can you be specific regarding which editor(s) are having a dispute/not agreeing to consensus? And be Bold! -- Fauzan^{✆ talk} _{✉ email} 12:57, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

And remember that Wikipedia is maintained by volunteers and so changes and corrections will probably not be immediate. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:58, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

By the way, the original poster has tagged the first two listed articles for proposed deletion. I removed the PROD tag from the first article because I consider its deletion controversial; I think that a full deletion discussion is in order since some of the sources appear to be reliable, or at least to have reliable publishers. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:10, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Lewis David Eigen

Dear editors: It seems logical that there should be some book reviews or news reports around for this person; I'd like to report this old Afc draft at a Wikiproject, but I can't figure out which one. I am willing to give the submission a serious pruning if some reliable sources can be found. —Anne Delong (talk) 15:00, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

psychology would probably be a good one - he is follower of BF Skinner.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:48, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I did that; thanks. —Anne Delong (talk) 03:31, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Marc Christian-Riebe

Hi,

I represent Marc Christian-Riebe as an employee of Location Group UK

We are currently trying to set up a wikipedia page for him but have come across problems with copyrighting. The text I am trying to upload onto wikipedia obviously contains some of the text from the Location Group's website and Marc's linkedin account as it is a biography about him which is also on these sites.

There is also an incomplete wikipedia page about him already set up, which he would like deleted and the new one set up in place of.

The link to this page is User:Famepeople8001

Please let us know how we can address these issues.

Many thanks Ellie Ulrich Location Group UK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.83.37.114 (talk) 15:37, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I think you need to read Wikipedia's Conflict of Interest information very quickly. in short it says "Do not edit Wikipedia in your own interests or in the interests of your external relationships." - X201 (talk) 15:48, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Removing an article

Hi

I have found an incomplete article about myself.

How can I have this removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ellieulrich11 (talk • contribs) 16:12, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Ellieulrich11. When articles are incomplete, we don't remove them, we add to them. It's not a good idea to edit a page about yourself, because of conflict of interest. However, each article has a talk page. You can suggest information that you think should be added to the article there. Be sure to point out a reliable independent source for the information, such as a news report, magazine article or book. —Anne Delong (talk) 16:47, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

[This appears to be the same editor as asked the previous question] If you are referring to the Marc Christian-Riebe article that you created in your user space, you can add {{db-user}} at the top of the article. If it's some other article, please tell us which one and we may be able to find a reason to delete it.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:12, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Giorgio Tavecchio

I have created the page Giorgio Tavecchio. He is a NFL player and the page doesnt look right. This is the link for the page.Giorgio Tavecchio Can somebody fix the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PacoDaKing14Sportz (talk • contribs) 16:48, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Fixed with this edit. The problem was a missing bracket in the high school link. Anon126 (talk - contribs) 16:52, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I've now removed that link because the article on the school does not exist at this point, and links should be as intuitive as possible. (The link before read "Italy", which in most cases should actually point to the article on Italy.) Anon126 (talk - contribs) 16:59, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

External links not in English

Dear editors: An editor has added two external links to the Banjo article. One of them is a link to (I think) a site which explains how to play the banjo. This is not a bad idea, except that the links are not in English. Is there a policy about this? I know that reliable sources don't have to be in English, because they are needed for verification and notability. External links, however, are more in the nature of additional information. Is it appropriate for external links of a general nature to be in languages other than English? —Anne Delong (talk) 16:53, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Don't know why my previous reply way removed. But, external links should be in English, but there are a few exceptions. See WP:EL for the guidelines. RudolfRed (talk) 17:02, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

WP:NONENGEL says "Outside of citations, external links to English-language content are strongly preferred in the English-language Wikipedia. It may be appropriate to have a link to a non-English-language site, such as when an official site is unavailable in English; or when the link is to the subject's text in its original language; or when the site contains visual aids such as maps, diagrams, or tables—per the guideline on non-English-language sites." I don't really see how instructions on 'how to play the banjo' fit in with 'appropriateness' as outlined here - and one of the links [1] seems to be to a website promoting banjo lessons in France. If such links are included, then again according to WP:NONENGEL they should be clearly labelled as in the relevant language. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:12, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. With appropriate policy link in hand, I have removed the links. —Anne Delong (talk) 18:47, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

and in general, an external link that is not the official link for the subject should only be included if it provides unique, encyclopedic value. there are dozens of sites that are easily found on google with equally appropriate "how to" content- there is no need for such a link from the Wikipedia article even if it were in English. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:38, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree. If I did want to add an external link to this sort of material, I would look for a summary page where someone has already made a list of such sites, rather than selecting one site over others. However, I found out from this discussion what I wanted to know, which was where to find policy about links in other languages, so thanks, everyone. —Anne Delong (talk) 23:47, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Problem with Image layout on page

Trackteur aligned most images from operations management to the right of the page, claiming he was having problems reading text. The problem now is that the images were "companions" of specific paragraphs, and some of them are now way down from the paragraphs they were related to. Can anyone help solving this issue?. I've thought of adding more text, for example: on the history section Walter Shewhart paragraph is indeed very small, so perhaps by adding more text, pictures will be better arranged on the page. Images could also be made smaller, with the risk thought that if an image is too small, content will be hard to see.Lbertolotti (talk) 17:29, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

The simple answer is to remove the six portraits of people, as they add nothing whatsoever to the readers understanding of operations management. If you take out these six photos, you will be able to move the relevant diagrams into more suitable locations. Please also remember that however you arrange the page, other people will see different layouts - look at the page on a tablet, or phone, or change the width, or pixilation, of your PC screen. - Arjayay (talk) 17:53, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Good advice. On a more general level, {{multiple image}} can be used to group images together.--ukexpat (talk) 17:55, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

logo on upper left of page is too big

this same logo(135 x 79 pixils) is used on an older version of Mediawiki and displays correctly, but on latest Mediawiki it seems too large. Is there a way to adjust it?

thanks

Jim — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.57.48 (talk) 18:43, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi, there's no 135×79 logo on MediaWiki, and the 180×170 File:MediaWiki-smaller-logo.png should be scaled as the infobox, the (registered) user settings, their browser, and MediaWiki determine, with reasonable defaults for unregistered users. Are you talking about MediaWiki? Otherwise please add the [[article name]] in square brackets for a wikilink here. Please sign your comment with four tildes ~~~~ at the end, it could help to figure out what you mean. –Be..anyone (talk) 18:58, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

IIRC, this is the size for the logo in the skin that Wikia uses... and it will look too big in Wikia's Monobook, which needs a square-ish logo. Not that this question is necessarily about Wikia... but I thought it prudent to mention. - Purplewowies (talk) 19:14, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

The monobook "Powered by MediaWiki" logos on some wikias (tested: dev + freeciv, no logo: community) are 88×31 pixels as always. Wikia is still on the old "Long Time Support" MediaWiki version 1.19. Most registered users and all visitors there have the default oasis skin, not monobook. It would be fun if a Wikia Monobook question somehow ends up here. :-) –Be..anyone (talk) 21:43, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I just felt like mentioning it because the "upper left" logo is usually the site logo... and I noticed the wiki I admin at over there had a logo/wordmark in Oasis that was approximately this size (maybe?) but no logo in Monobook, and the Oasis logo needed to be resized to properly fit within Monobook. I do know few people use Monobook there (even I only switch to it when Oasis is causing problems...) and it's not what visitors get... it just somehow felt important to mention (also may have had Wikia on the brain)? I recognize the image size at the very least, but I'm actually not totally sure from whence it came. Would be funny if it was a Wikia Monobook question, though! - Purplewowies (talk) 23:51, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Is accidentally copying an article over into another enough for REVDEL?

A user copied and pasted an entirety of one article, Sun Wei into Sunwei, probably by accident, and I'm thinking about copyright scenarios. I subsequently notified the user of the mistake, and did a dummy edit saying the contribution history can be found on Sun Wei. (can provide diffs)

Would revision deletion clear this matter up, so if the article gets voted to be deleted, it can be deleted without worry? Or no? Meteor sandwich yum (talk) 20:57, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Probably not. The circumstances in which revdel is appropriate are limited: WP:CRD.--ukexpat (talk) 21:24, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Aww. Oh well. I probably could beg for it to be listed under CRD#6, but Sun Wei Sunwei is being considered for deletion anyway. Should ease the matter. Meteor sandwich yum (talk) 22:12, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

wikilinking from talk to main page of an article

Is there a shortcut to reference a section of an article from its talk page or do I need to spell out the full article name and then pipe it? For example, Wikipedia:Help desk#Daily section headers is the full link to a section of the talk page to this article Is there a shortcut I could use to link to the "Daily section headers" section? I know I can use pipes to make a link appear shorter. What I'm seeking is something like [[#wikilinking from talk to main page of an article]] which produces #wikilinking from talk to main page of an article and will link to a section on the same page but I want to jump from talk to mainspace of an article.

I've looked at Help:Link, Help:Pipe trick, Meta:Help:Link but did not spot anything that seems like it'll work. --Marc Kupper|talk 22:28, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

AFAIK there's no solution with nothing before the hash, but the magic word {{SUBJECTPAGENAME}} would work. You would use it like [[{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}#Section]], but it would probably be easier to just type the full article name. ~HueSatLum 22:54, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

It might be easier to use keyboard shortcuts to pop up to the top of the page, copy the title, and paste it into whatever you're working on. I know that on a Mac using Safari you can use Command+UpArrow to get immediately to the top of a page and then Command+DownArrow to get to the bottom. Though, if you're editing a section of the talk page, you land at the top of the talk page when you click 'Edit' anyway. Dismas|^(talk) 11:27, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

 Fixed Thank you - I decided to try [[{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}#Section|Section]]. It's not as clean as what I was hoping for. I'll look at the link syntax articles for a bit and see if suggestion of [[/#Section]] would work as a shortcut to reference a section on the SUBJECTPAGENAME. --Marc Kupper|talk 03:33, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Active tennis chair umpires umpires

Missing plenty of names working for many years at top level and naming some I have never heard of (been in business for more than 25years! Bob Strachan, Australia? Who is that? Leanne White is still an active official, as well as Fiona Edwards. Tamara Vrhovec (Croatia) ,missing, gabriela zaloga (poland) too. Written by someone who doesn't follow tennis chair umpires — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.164.248.202 (talk) 22:43, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I believe this question is referring to List of tennis umpires. —Anne Delong (talk) 23:58, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

JUST HELP ME UPDATE MY PAGE

Hey, Wiki-smart guys.. I can't do this on my own.. there are a bunch of updates that need to go on my page - I submitted them, but I don't understand the rule and ways to execute the changes.. can someone go through my new additions and make the changes.. please.. this is the real Rick Shapiro.. please.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Therealrickshapiro (talk • contribs) 22:45, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

We update articles based upon what is supported by reliably published sources, preferably third party sources not related to the subject. So we are not going to update just because you asked. Some folks will be by to take a look at your suggestions. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:55, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

and no, that content is not going into the article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:58, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

and if you are in fact actually Rick Shapiro, you have a conflict of interest and you need to stop attempting to edit the article directly and instead make suggestions on the talk page, supporting your suggestions by providing reliably published sources that support the claims and allow third parties to assess the content for its sourcing and appropriateness. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:02, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

If there are any administrators watching, based on what the user has attempted to enter on the article page, please consider whether a block is appropriate until a validation of the actual owner can be confirmed. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:10, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

He can't be Rick Shapiro...because I'm Rick Shapiro! Seriously though, I'm not Rick Shapiro and this guy might be. I don't even know who that is, but want to learn more now. The encyclopedia works. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:29, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Turns out I did know him. His GTA character has some interesting views on health insurance. Anyway, if he's "spoken openly" about some of this stuff, where? That could be a source. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:44, 27 March 2014 (UTC)