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March 4

Move of page but name in use for redirect

Hi. Seems that my approach to moving a page (to rename it) ran afoul of the automatic redirect paging features in Wikipedia. What I was trying to do was rename a page from Quantitative no trump bids to Quantitative notrump bids. The move was to reflect the standard use of 'notrump' instead of 'no trump' as stated in the WikiProject MOS for contract bridge articles. When I tried a simple move, I was alerted that the move was not permitted because the destination page already existed - it was a redirect. I thought that I could simply move the redirect page 'out of the way' and so moved the redirect Quantitative notrump bids to Quantitative notrump bids temp which I planned to subsequently move back to Quantitative no trump bids. Please help me by achieving my original intent which is that the article page title should be Quantitative notrump bids and the redirect should be Quantitative no trump bids redirecting to Quantitative notrump bids. If I try to fix this myself I fear creating more unnecessary redirects. Thanks. Newwhist (talk) 01:48, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Non-admins can only move over a redirect if the only edit in the target history is creation of a redirect to the source title. In this case there were other edits, currently seen at [1]. I have made the requested move and moved Quantitative notrump bids temp to the old title Quantitative no trump bids without leaving a redirect, so the two original pages have swapped and no content from page histories has been deleted. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:17, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks but the Talk page for Quantitative notrump bids is still in error and shows as Talk:Quantitative notrump bids temp. Newwhist (talk) 02:54, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

All in good order now. Thanks. Newwhist (talk) 12:47, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

My page for Katie Nolan

I'm not sure why JMHamo took down my page for Katie Nolan. Can I have the original and make needed changes? I worked hard on it.

Rusty — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rusty Ehringer (talk • contribs) 02:05, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

It was User:JMHamo who nominated Katie Nolan for deletion but it was User:Bbb23 who performed the deletion. JMHamo is not an administrator can cannot delete or restore pages. You should contact Bbb23 at User talk:Bbb23. See Wikipedia:Why was the page I created deleted? PrimeHunter (talk) 02:26, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

According to the information on your talk page, the article was nominated for speedy deletion, "because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia." The information here indicates it was deleted for vandalism. But yeah, as PrimeHunter says, you can also ask the parties involved. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:35, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on American Graffiti

Reference help requested. Hi, I have 2 questions: 1.) I'm trying to add a reference to the American Graffiti and Mels Drive-in page so as to correct a misconception about the closing of Mels which was featured in the 1973 film, American Graffiti. When I click on the edit button for References I don't see the other references. 2.) The caption for the Mel's Drive-in photo had been incorrect but I'm not sure how to cite the source after I've corrected the text since it seems like there's only room to cite the source of the photo. I've looked at the HELP page but am still confused. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks! Thanks, Markybgoode (talk) 02:07, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Markybgoode Hi, references typically go "inline", that is, they are added after the sentence you wish to reference. It gets a little more complicated if you want to re-use a reference, (see WP:REFB) but that's it in a nut-shell. So short answer: Don't put it in the references section, put it at the end of the sentence you are referencing, and it will show up at the bottom after you save the page. For example:

Ron Howard consumed a strawberry milkshake on the set of American Graffiti.<ref name=HowardShake>[http://www.wikipedia.org Ron Howard Milkshake - Wikipedia]</ref>

There is another question as to whether or not the blog you are referencing is a reliable source per Wikipedia's standards. It does not look so to me. Do you know if the blog has a clear editorial policy? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:21, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Request to add the biography

Dear Wiki,

Please check out the below link, I've added an article which is really authenticated and genuine. I couldn't understand why Wiki refusing to publish it. Please help me and do not delete this biography. Please assist me Mufti Badruddin Ahmad Qadri Razvi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.105.118.160 (talk) 05:23, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

As it is, that article is very likely to be deleted. There is a message at the top of it, explaining why: "Text copied from elsewhere, formating bad, not obviously noteable". I could try to help by rewriting the text and improving the formatting, but I can't help with the lack of evidence that he is notable. This will have to be done by someone who knows about the subject and can provide citations to prove his notability. I am unwilling to spend time on the formatting etc. while the article is likely to be deleted anyway.Maproom (talk) 07:47, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

And now the article has been deleted, as a copyright infringement. Maproom (talk) 08:55, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Biographies of living persons - poorly sourced paragraphs about events that may be reputation damaging

Hello, I'm after a bit of help. I am attempting to fix an article about a living person which has a paragraph on a alleged incident which is of no real relevevance to that persons current career. I admit I may have gone about editing the article in the wrong way in the past, but I am now determind to play it by the books and have it removed for good. If anybody tries to remove the paragraph, their edits are reverted, and editors are told to take it to the talk page after reading Not Censored,

My question is, how would I go about bringning the page to the attention of somebody who can remove the paragraph, and, what guidelines say that sort of thing is disallowed??

Reading WP:PUBLICFIGURE It says there should be MULTIPLE sources or else it be swiftly removed.

Thanks for the help.

Misterbrownstone (talk) 07:28, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

PS: article is question is Gareth Ward

It appears that User:TheRedPenOfDoom responded to your request and removed the questionable material from the article. It appears that there has been a history of the insertion and removal of questionable material in the article. Do you have the article watch-listed? While Not Censored is a policy, it is sometimes misused to justify the inclusion of questionable material, because it is trumped by the reliable source requirement, and, in this case, by the policy on biographies of living persons. The insertion of questionable material in biographies of living persons can be reported at the BLP noticeboard. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:20, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Yes, I thought I did have the article watch listed. I'm not sure, I'm fairly new here, and am still getting used to Wikipedia. I will wait a while and see if it is added back again.

Thanks for your help. Misterbrownstone (talk) 06:23, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

problems changing the title on an Arabic Page

Hi there,

I have been trying to edit this page: https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AF%D8%A8%D9%8A_%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%B1

It's in Arabic and I'm trying to make it say Dubai Cares rather than Dubai Care..in Arabic but it just won't change the 2 titles. One is at the top of the page and one is in the info box. Any ideas on what's going on?

Currently it looks like this:دبي كير and I keep changing it to read like this: دبي العطاء

Help much appreciated AlexAlexandra Grayling (talk) 07:54, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Each language's Wikipedia is separate, and some work in different ways. I would normally say you should raise problems with the Arabic Wikipedia at the Arabic help desk, but having gone down the language links on the left, there isn't one listed - is there an Arabic Help-Desk? Arjayay (talk) 08:33, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

But the answer is probably that the way to change a page's title is to move it. See ar:ويكيبيديا:نقل صفحة. --ColinFine (talk) 10:05, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

False or outdated statements about Pebble Hills University at the List of unaccredited institutions of higher education

Hello,

As mentioned at List of unaccredited institutions of higher education,

"A police fraud investigation revealed that the University's "headquarters" in Seborga, Italy is a room in a building used as a cellar, also the home of ten other diploma mills: Saint Bernard University, Eurasia Community College, Instituto Latinoamericano de Psicobiofisica - I.L.A.P.; St. Paul Ottawa College & University, Phoenix International University Europe, West Coast University - WCU; The International University; Miranda International University; Marquis Open University; and James Monroe International University"

I have no idea about other universities listed above, however, Pebble Hills University has no longer claimed herself being a part of Seborga (Maybe they did before? But it is no longer the case. Please refer to it's website at http://pebblehills.edu/explore/about-the-university/.

I have friends studying there and they are seriously pursuing their degree and they do not even grant life-experience degree so it is so wrong to say it is a diploma mill. This description severely damages its reputation and my friends' credentials.

Right, at the moment, you can still put it under this list, but not a history of this or at least you need to be fair in stating the current situation and it was the past.

Thank you very much for your time and attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Online educate (talk • contribs) 08:36, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Its placement in that list is supported by a reference to what appears to be a reliable source, from 2010. In order to remove or change the information, you would need a reliable source, independent of Pebble Hills University, which says otherwise. The link you provided to Pebble Hills' own website (which is written in incompetent English) mentions various organisations: one of them, "International Accreditation Organization", is listed in Get Educated's "List of Fake College Degree Accreditation Agencies" from 2013. Another, the "Oxford Association of Management" is the subject of this blog: as a blog, this could not be used as a source in a Wikipedia article, but I have been unable to find anything else about the association apart from its own materials and all the institutions which it accreditates. All this evidence is circumstantial, but everything I have found indicates to me that Pebble Hills is a scam, as are all the bodies it lists as accreditators. You will need strong independent sources to demonstrate otherwise. --ColinFine (talk) 10:18, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Bogdan Bogdanović

Reference help requested. I do not how to include this reference for Bogdan Bogdanović: Korolija Fontana-Giusti, Gordana 'Bogdan Bogdanović: Dissident in Life, Architecture and Writing' (2014) in Architecture and the Paradox of Dissidence, ed. Weizman I., London and New York: Routledge, pp 33-45 ISBN: 978-0-415-71408-9 This is a chapter in the book. Here is the relevant url for the book http://routledge-ny.com/books/details/9780415714099/ Could you please include it, as I am not quite sure how to do it. Many thanks, Gordana

Thanks, G.fontana-giusti (talk) 09:03, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Gordana. The "name=" in the <ref> is not part of the citation, but an optional name you want to give to this reference for the purposes of this Wikipedia article. (It's useful where you want to cite the same reference in several places in the article.) All the other information, including the title of the work, should go inside the {{cite xxx}} template. In this case what you need is something like

<ref> {{cite book |first1=Gordana Korolija |last1=Fontana-Giusti |chapter=Bogdan Bogdanović: dissident in life, architecture and writing |year=2014 |title=Architecture and the Paradox of Dissidence |editor1-last=Weizman |editor1-first=I. |location=London and New York |publisher=Routledge |pages=33-45 |id=ISBN: 978-0-415-71408-9" |url=http://routledge-ny.com/books/details/9780415714099/ |accessdate=3 March 2014}}</ref>

I suggest that {{cite book}} is a more appropriate template than {{cite web}}: have a look at Template:cite book for the various arguments. I haven't inserted it in the article myself because I haven't seen the source.

There is another issue to bring to your attention: this appears to be a citation of your own work. Wikipedia considers there is a potential conflict of interest in doing that, so please make sure you are working in accordance with that policy. --ColinFine (talk) 10:57, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Translation

Is it possible to upload the same text in various languages to Wikipedia?

Thus, how do I upload basic information about the International Association of Gaming Regulators in both English, Spanish and French? From the same page or do I need to create three different pages on each language respectively? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iagrsecretariat (talk • contribs) 09:32, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

This Wikipedia is only for articles in English. To create an article in another language, just head over to that language's Wikipedia and create it there: Spanish Wikipedia, French Wikipedia. After you do that, you can link them to each other so they're easier to find. Scarce2 (talk) 09:43, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

But judging by your username, you have a conflict of interest and should not be creating or editing an article on that subject at all, at least in the English Wikipedia. (I guess that the Spanish and French Wikipedia's have similar policies, but I don't know for sure). Your role should be limited to suggesting or requesting that particular changes be made (with reliable sources), and leaving it to uninvolved editors to decide what is appropriate. In addition, I'm afraid your username contravenes Wikipedia policy as accounts are required to be for individuals and may not suggest or imply that they are being used on behalf of an organisation: you are likely to find that account blocked shortly, and should create individual accounts whose names do not suggest that they are representing an organisation. Please read the articles I have linked to(blue links)for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 10:37, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Changing logo due to branding

The branding of for Automation Anywhere has changed. How do I upload the latest logo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avti274 (talk • contribs) 10:59, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

I think the current rationale is also applicable to the current logo from the website. Just copy the rational and add it to the uploaded image. Maybe find out when they changed it and add at least the year to the filename and the date in the description. If you can't find it, describe how the image was retrieved (URL, Date) --Yamavu (talk) 11:43, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Question about he use of symbols from an Role-Playing Game

File:BlackFuries.gif in the article Garou tribes returned as File:BlackFuries.png with the following rationale:

1. it is a logo of a clan described in the article;
2. I think it could be argued that the content of the article irself is copyrighted, since the idea "black furies" (and the rest of the clans) is an elaboration from Whitewolf. In this context there is no difference between the logo and the idea: both are concepts elaborated by the same company with no real existence outside the context created by the said company;
3. in the article there are shown the symbols of the rest of the clans, I don't see a reason why some of them are ok to be shown and not the rest: if Black Furies is copyrighted, so are the rest of the symbols depicted;

If we can use one, we could use all. So my questions:

• Can I have an oppinion wheather we can use tribe symbols or not?
• Should they be compiled into one single image?

I'm not very familiar with US copyright and fair-use. I realize these fictional logos would be "illustration" if only one image was used in the article, but in this collection of stubs about 20 images make sense. --Yamavu (talk) 11:36, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

WP:MCQ would be a better place to ask.--ukexpat (talk) 20:01, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

include this name top the list

https://www.facebook.com/nellikkafilmz?ref=hl this film is directed by Vysakh Reetha why his name is not in the list of Malayalam film directors actually this is his second project — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.249.81.46 (talk) 12:25, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Because you didn't add it yet. Nothing at Wikipedia happens unless people who care make it happen. You obviously care, and yet you haven't made it happen it. So get on it. --Jayron32 12:38, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) - I assume you mean List of Indian film directors#Malayalam film directors? Vysakh Reetha does not appear in that list because there is no article about him - in fact a search for Vysakh Reetha reveals that he doesn't appear in the English Wikipedia at all. When he is notable enough for someone to have written an article about him, then he can be added to the list - please note that Facebook is not a reliable source to base an article on. Arjayay (talk) 12:41, 4 March 2014 (UTC)in my apinion he is one of the notable young film maker in kerala

Signature

Hi friends. can anyone help me to customize my signature on my talk pages?
Aftab Banoori 12:47, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Signatures and Wikipedia:Smurrayinchester's signature tutorial. --  Gadget850 ^talk 15:01, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

2006 Lebanon War

Hi

I am trying to find the changes to this article 2006 Lebanon War that happened on the 1 August 2006 at 19: 48 I cannot find it, can you help me please

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.83.249.212 (talk) 13:08, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

You'll need to let us know which timezone you're using - there were no edits at that precise time in UTC, but a large number of edits did take place that day. Most of them can be seen here. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:16, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

There actually was one at 19:48 UTC [2] but also several others at 19:48 in other time zones. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:20, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Ultimate what?

Dear editors: While checking old Afc drafts I came across this one: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/DC Current (MLU). Can anyone tell me what this is about? Ultimate what? Maybe Tiddlywinks? Thumb wrestling? Sorry, I am not a sportsperson. —Anne Delong (talk) 14:07, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

The word ultimate in the draft links to Ultimate (sport). Your answer is in that article. See also Major League Ultimate, which is also linked in the draft. Deor (talk) 14:19, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Contributions to Wikipedia

Dear Sir/Madam, Does Wikipedia pay for useful contributions? I have a real case study (my own case,which can be verified) about erectile dysfunction and complete lack of male-orgasm , which have been successfully cured. I have prepared a full-fledged report , with relevant data / pathology reports / progressive effects. This is a subject of infinite interest. If you do pay , how should I proceed? Thanks, Skulbhushan (talk) 14:22, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

We don't pay for content, ever. We also don't publish original research, which is what your work would be classed as. You will need to find somewhere else to publish, I'm afraid. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:24, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

deleting page St. Nicolaus Distilery

Hi, I was wondering how I can have my page deleted, under copyrights violation, if I am shareholder, and international sales manager/marketing? Tell me that please? I hope for future co-operation with wikipedia, this forbidden incident would not happened ever again!

Sincerely,

LT — Preceding unsigned comment added by STNtrade (talk • contribs) 16:48, 4 March 2014‎

We don't delete articles on request - though if there is a copyright violation, obviously we would rectify that. However, you haven't specified the article concerned, and I am unable to locate it. Could you please provide the correct title so we can take a look at it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:00, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

May have been talking about St.Nicolaus,Distillery, which was deleted for infringement a whole day before they asked here. - Purplewowies (talk) 17:23, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

And looking into this further, it appears that this person was asking why the article they made was deleted when they're the person who works for the company, not how they could get it deleted. - Purplewowies (talk) 23:09, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

US Century Bank

U.S. Century Bank (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Please note that the information provided on your website about US Century Bank is incorrect.

Reference our website at www.uscentury.com to see the correct list of management and board of directors. The bank has almost $1 billion in assets The bank has 22 branches We have 241 employees The referenced deal about C1 Bank purchasing US Century Bank in 2012 was terminated US Century Bank remains an independent community bank and we are in the process of raising capital

Thank you for your kind attention! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.52.207.75 (talk) 17:54, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Please discuss on the article talk page. If a previous acquisition plan was discontinued, please provide a reliable source, such as a news article, reporting the discontinuation of the acquisition. Since you appear to be an employee of the bank (based on your use of "we"), thank you for not editing the article directly due to your conflict of interest. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:09, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Super Motherload

Reference help requested. I wanted to fix the Super Motherload page with a link citing the source, but I did something wrong with the reference. It just needs adjusted and all will be well. Thanks, 68.231.142.69 (talk) 21:36, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

In the error message, the words "help page" are in blue, indicating that they are a wikilink to the relevant specific help page. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:40, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

I've fixed the page so that it displays correctly, but as I do not know what statement the reference is intended to prove I have removed it. The page itself currently has no references at all so that should be addressed. CaptRik (talk) 13:21, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Request edit

I work with a realtor whose name is Rosie Alfaro. She has owned and maintained www.RosieAlfaro.com. The concern is, in Wikkii when pulling up a murderer by name it reflect to a nic name which is her name. Some of her clients googled her and your page came up under the first page of hits for her name. If the "other ms Alfaro" had the same legal first name as my partner than I would expect nothing could be done about this issue. Since the muderer uses nic name - which is my partners legal name- my partner is receiving unwanted attention on top of losing potential all clientele that google her and can only see the wiki pages of a murderer. Can you please let The Real Rosie Alfaro what her options are? Thank you.

mrs Rosie Alfaro — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.0.181.202 (talk) 22:28, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Note: I've removed the contact information. We will only respond on this page, not by telephone. Anon126 (talk - contribs) 22:31, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm safraid I don't see that there is anything we can do about this. It must be distressing to share a name with a notorious person; but unfortunately that is the case. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, which has articles on subjects (including people) who are notable, in the sense that they have been written about in places like published books or major newspapers. This means that we are likely to have articles on notorious people, but not necessarily on other people who share their names. You point out that "Rosie" is not her legal name; but that is the name under which her crime and trial has been reported, so that is the name under which people are most likely to search for her, so it would be perverse if that name did not lead to her article. I'm sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 23:34, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Thompson Donald

There are a few lines about Thompson Donald on Wikipedia. He was an MP at Westminster 1918-1922 and a member of the first Northern Ireland Parliament 1921-1925. The few lines which are already on Wikipedia gave wrong information re the years of his birth and decease. I have corrected these. I am Thompson Donald's grandson. A few years ago I wrote an article about Thompson Donald which I would now like to enter in Wikipedia. The article is now in my sandbox. How do I arrange for someone to read it, comment on its suitability and help me get it on to Wikipedia? PT Donald PT Donald (talk) 22:33, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

The first thing you would have to do is use inline citation to identify which parts of the text are traceable to which of your sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:41, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You can discuss any changes to the article on its discussion page, Talk:Thompson Donald. If you are not getting any response there, you can bring this up at the relevant WikiProjects (groups of editors focused on a topic area): Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Northern Ireland or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom. Anon126 (talk - contribs) 22:50, 4 March 2014 (UTC)